Lies in our textbooks

[blaisingm]

Kent Hovind is in jail. He's a criminal... If he has a doctorate in anything, it is in theft and deception.

[Mechana8]

This is the biggest load of blind ignorance I have yet scene. Kent Hovind was a fraud and is now in jail because of it. Anyone who takes him seriously really needs to read a real science book and get the facts because all a Hovinds ideas are ridiculous if not down right maliceous.

[ansaz14]

@Mechana8: Fact or Fiction is not defined by the character of an individual rather the content of the information. Epistemology 101. you have not pointed out anything wrong or inaccurate. Ridiculous or malicious mean nothing when dealing with reason

[charadester]

No one was around when these events were taking place. Still, no matter how imperfect the scientific method may be, it is the finest system of rational thought that mankind has EVER produced. The evidence for an old earth and evolutionary change among species is massive. The 'evidence' for Biblical events is sparse to none. I choose to support that which has the greatest amount of evidence. Our courts are based on the best evidence, and that's how origins issues should be settled as well.

[ansaz14]

@charadester : Actually science is based on empiricism not rationalism. Second fossil record is evidence of the existence of the creature not the changes in genetics. Creation ex nihilo is not disproved by age old fossils. It could simply mean that they were created that old.

[charadester]

@ansaz14 I don't think you truly believe what you're saying. I stand fully by my previous factual statement.

[mushmushkila]

THE CRUTACEOUS LAYER IS THE ONLY LAYER THAT IS UNIVERSAL...let me spell that out for those atheists & evil-utionists not comprehending this beautiful truth. The Bible says FLOOD earth's evidence agrees FLOOD...okay...evolutionary scientists whose geologic column would be nullified say it was a local flood...they HAVE TO AGREE THERE WAS A FLOOD BECAUSE CHALK CAN ONLY FORM UNDERWATER. If anyone can prove chalk 'miraculously' appeared another way scientists will give you a trillion dollars today!

[mushmushkila]

Where does chalk (Cretaceous) come from & what is it? Its in the gelogic column, its own layer ALL over the earth?

Algal-skeleton/calcium carbonate MARINE ORGANISMS THAT CAN ONLY EXIST UNDERWATER foraminifera.

World-wide flood?

Research this FUN-FACT during the Cambrian era (600million years ago) nearly ALL PHYLA [botanical term for division] exists in the fossil record, which means NO SLOW CHANGE OVER TIME, they already existed & Darwin knew this BUT he still conjectured a world WITHOUT GOD!

[mushmushkila]

THEORY is a plan/scheme existing in the mind only but based on principles verifiable by experiment/observation MICRO-EVOLUTION variations within kinds of animals, this has been observed MACRO-EVOLUTION changing from one kind of animal into another ORGANIC EVOLUTION evidence to the origin of life STELLAR/PLANETARY EVOLUTION, which came 1st the elements or the stars? CHEMICAL EVOLUTION, the origin of higher elements from hydrogen COSMIC EVOLUTION, the origin of time, space & matter simultaneously!

[mushmushkila]

Definition of SCIENCE, knowledge as of facts & proximate causes gained & verified by exact observation, organized experiment & correct thinking. Where is the proof? Mutations come from information already existing INSIDE of the DNA that causes deformities. Apply the Hegelian Dialectic (because most socialists believe in HEGEL) the original THESIS was Creation, now the ANTI-THESIS which is more popular today is Evolution, the SYNTHESIS should be a comparison of BOTH SIDE-BY-SIDE! Why the fear?

[Jahkillian]

Think about how hard he s getting pounded in the ass right now! If he doesn't like it, he being punished. Lets hope he doesn't like it.

[UncagedJDog89]

and maybe they don't mention creationism because IT IS NOT SCIENCE YOU MORON. CREATIONISM SHOULD BE RIDICULED IN A SCIENCE TEXTBOOK

[UncagedJDog89]

LOLOLOL " EVOLUTION IS NOT PART OF SCIENCE" jesus christ these people are so willfully ignorant it's unbelievable. Tell, kind sir, how is evolution not part of science if a hypothesis can be formed about it and have substanial evidence to support it?

[beingther]

yes i know over 50 %of sicantists donot belive in evlotion im talking about old erath and new

[beingther]

my questan was tell me of one nonchristan sicantist that belives the world is only 6000 yrs old personaly i belive its older than that

[CHWful]

There are Muslim scientists that believe in a young earth model but that's about it outside of YEC Christians. Honestly, many educated Christians in the early church correctly translated the ancient Hebrew word Yom (e.g. day) as a long period of time. Christians and Muslims ignorant in their understanding of ancient Hebrew tend to be the ones who read a word (e.g. day) in their own language and believe it that way rather than what the word meant in the original language which was many things.

[beingther]

show me a scientes that is not a christan and belives the world was created in 6000 yrs ago and ill belive it but fact is ben is not a history book it did not and ever did mean the world is 6000 yrs old and it dont mean the world is flat just becaues the bible says 4 corners of the world

[CHWful]

Almost half of America's scientists and about 70% of our doctors believe in God being. They are not ignorant like you are regarding progressive creation and theistic evolution models and, of course, reject the young earth creationism you falsely try to project onto them. Do a little research guy. Check out RTB's scientific testable model for creation that goes head to head with neo-darwinian ones and stop resorting to strawman attacks and false assertions about scientists who do believe in God.

[beingther]

chwful i was not rejection anything i do not know or care if the worlk is 6000 or 1000000000 yra old it dont make the bible a lie the bible is not a history book its the word of god not the history of the world

[XIBOMBIX]

LOL

i cant believe people believe in this creatonism bullshit

[dragoonerzerg]

LOL xD well im done here. nobody can really obey and follow God's laws and standards perfectly all their life since sin came into the world. we all stolen and lied and cheated and thats why God sent His Son to die for us so that if anyone believes that He died on the cross and rose again, he finds life and that the punishment we deserved is lifted after being forgiven by the bloodshed of Christ sacrifice.

you take care now.

[dragoonerzerg]

i have experienced God and the power of prayer, but you havent. does that mean its fair for you to say that He doesnt exist? its all personal tho.

[steve16182002]

Your religion is an indefensible embarrassment and it offends you when people object to it. Could it be that it has less merit than you pretend?

Perhaps it's that child abuse thing it does: indoctrinating trusting and gullible kids with the belief that they are born reprehensibly evil, and must have faith in an undetectable mind-reading superman in the sky that will send them to eternal torment if they don't believe & follow the ancient rulebook you ram down their throats.

[dragoonerzerg]

check out Hovind's Age of Earth video. then you can come back here.

[Imaginefree69]

Hovind is a convicted liar and fraud artist in prison after being found guilty on 58 counts in 2006. When a man tries to replace science in our schools with a book that cannot correctly tell the number of legs on an insect it's time for all rational people to speak out. Humans are facing genuine, serious problems. Problems that will not be solved by folding our hands in prayer and hoping some fictitious literary character will swoop down soon and rescue us!

[dragoonerzerg]

LOL u cant say prayer does not work if you havent experienced it yourself. is it fair for someone who hasnt personally experienced God and say He doesnt exist just cuz you havent personally experienced God just like everybody has?

[Imaginefree69]

"u cant say prayer does not work if you havent experienced it yourself. " dragoon Did you know that if you go to the river and pick up a rock you can bring that rock home and pray to it every day? It's true! And it always answers your prayers! Mind you, sometimes the answer will be YES, sometimes it will be NO, and sometimes it will be WAIT, but it will always answer your prayer. Just like God. Just exactly like God.

[dragoonerzerg]

a rock is an idol. LMAO LMAO lololoLOLOLOL wut kind of a talking is that??

[dragoonerzerg]

LMAO just cuz you havent personally experienced God in your life doesnt mean He doesnt exist. a lot of other people say they experienced God in their lives but its not fair if for someone who simply hasnt just say God doesnt exist. LOL

[Imaginefree69]

"He doesnt exist." The Bible is the ONLY authoritative source of information about the god YHWH and the ONLY authoritative source of christian doctrine. The Bible says that humans are made of dirt. And that snakes and donkeys talk. And that insects have 4 legs. And that bats are birds. And that the earth is flat. And that the sun revolves around the earth. And that Pi = 3 rather than 3.1416... And that animals appeared AFTER man but BEFORE woman. So much for YHWH. So much for christianity.

[dragoonerzerg]

LOL psalms says the earth is round. LOLOLOLOL

LOL it said animals didnt appear before adam did. enough said rofl imaginefree69, your retarded lmao

[Imaginefree69]

"psalms says the earth is round"

Round and flat.

Isaiah 40:22 says the earth is a CIRCLE (Hebrew CHUWG).

(DURE is Old Hebrew for "sphere", but Isaiah used CHUWG)

Daniel 4:10-11a tree that is as tall as the heavens

can be seen from everywhere on the earth

Matthew 4:8 has Jesus viewing the whole earth from a tall mountain.

Revelation 1:7 says every eye will see Jesus coming in the clouds.

Daniel, Matthew, and Revelation all require a flat earth.

Well, either flat or bowl-shaped.

[dragoonerzerg]

about Jesus viewing the whole earth on a tall mountain, could it just mean that He was viewing all the land as far the eye can see in the middle east? and every eye will see His coming cuz nothing is impossible for God to do.

[Imaginefree69]

"about Jesus viewing the whole earth on a tall mountain, could it just mean that He was viewing all the land as far the eye can see in the middle east?"

Matthew 4:8

"the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him ALL THE KINGDOMS OF THE WORLD"

"nothing is impossible for God to do"

We are examining the verifiability of scripture.

Such statements as this are not evidence,

which is what we are looking for.

[Imaginefree69]

" it said animals didnt appear before adam did" Genesis chapter 1 Verse 21- God made the birds V 25- God made the wild animals V 27- God created man in his own image.. male and female he created them Now chapter 2 V7- God made man from the dust of the ground V19- God made ALL the beasts V22- God made a woman from the man's rib (because he didn't want to marry an aardvark or a zebra) It's a direct contradiction. They cannot both be true.

[dragoonerzerg]

LOL i meant to say that animals appeared before adam. didnt u claim that bible says that man was made before animals? God didnt make animal by His image so its not a contradiction that animal female existed before female humans. adam became lonely so God made female after, but since God is a He, you should get it. the book of Daniel is the book about the last days u dee dee dee. there are now satellite and radio communications. its possible that we can see a tree from anywhere on earth.

[Imaginefree69]

As you can readily see by either reading the two chapters for yourself

or by reading the excerpt I have provided,

the birds were created a day ahead of the animals

AND of man and woman

in chapter 1,

but AFTER man in chapter 2.

Also the animals were BEFORE man and woman in chapter 1

but AFTER man in chapter 2.

Your "animal female" comment makes no sense.

[dragoonerzerg]

if pi isnt mentioned in the bible, that makes you a liar. imaginefree69 i suggest you try to debunk the overwhelming number of fulfilled prophecies in the bible that goes against all mathematical odds.

lmao imma go eat my ramen now

[Imaginefree69]

"if pi isnt mentioned in the bible, that makes you a liar. "

Why do christians love to make accusations?

1 Kings 7:23

Circumference of 30 cubits,

diameter of 10 cubits,

therefore Pi = 3.00 rather than 3.1415...

[dragoonerzerg]

LOL you really take word by word of what it literally says? back in ancient times when the prophets received visions of the future, they had to describe what airplanes were to their best ability for example. Daniel doesnt really talk about a tree. and the supposedly PI part, Solomon, a man; was building back in ancient times. it wasnt God that was building. therefore that makes you a liar. and therefore you need Jesus so you wouldnt have to pay the sins yourself.

[Imaginefree69]

"you really take word by word of what it literally says?"

That is the official dogma of most fundamentalist christians.

That is who I am speaking to.

Keep your accusations and insults

for your small-minded friends, please.

[Imaginefree69]

" the supposedly PI part, Solomon, a man; was building back in ancient times. it wasnt God that was building"

It makes no difference who was building what.

When you divide the circumference of a round object by its diameter the ratio is Pi.

As the bible cannot get that right,

nor even the number of legs on an insect,

it's a useless book for anyone looking for truth,.

[Imaginefree69]

"the overwhelming number of fulfilled prophecies in the bible" If you take a thousand-page book and fill it with vague and contradictory prophecies (especially if you prophecy wars and disasters!) and wait a couple of thousand years, you'll find lots of world events that can be fitted into the prophecies. Modern life and world events also match up with the Lord of the Rings, the Celestine Prophecy, the writings of Mary Baker Eddy, L. Ron Hubbard, and Nostradamus. All it requires is faith...

[dragoonerzerg]

LMAO Israel returned to land 1948, Ezekiel more on that stuff. i predict my home will get robbed and that the robber will say a certain word and that he will leave a note on the wall on the left side of the house and that he will take a certain thing and that he will not go into a specific room at a specific time and that a coke stain will be left from his shoe. it has be 100% accurate. now take that will israel and world affairs and ancient affairs

[Imaginefree69]

Many of the prophecies were "fulfilled"

by the simple expedient of inventing and writing a fulfillment

that never happened in fact.

A good example is Matthew 2:13-15,

which has Jesus as a child being hauled off to Egypt

to escape the "slaughter of the innocents".

Neither the move to Egypt nor the slaughter ever took place,

but Luke wrote this to be able to say

"And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son." "

No other gospel records this.

[Changer01]

You should watch garden of eden, especially number five and six, and you would understand. You can see so many lies debunked. If a tree is growing uprightly through different layers which are claimed to be millions of years in difference, I can only say by common sense: It's not true. It's a plain lie. They tell you the layers have ages that differ by milions of years and it is but stupid nonsense.

[xXqawxXx]

Lol, god is a faggot.

[Tobytrim]

"then why does he spank everyone he debates??? "

He doesn't.......Despite the fact that he lies, and presents sourceless anecdotal evidence that can't be checked .He still gets caught out despite the fact that he avoids anyone who might conceivably refute him.

[krazytoonz323]

this guys a moron and every 1 that believes him

[dancingnature]

hovind only seems to "spank" people who are scientifically literate cuz he tells corny jokes ..you laugh and dont really think about what he says

if you DO think about what he says, he comes off as a flaming confabulating idiot

and if you test his ideas against reality...he's wrong

including his summaries of what he CLAIMS real scientists say

[KatherineAndy]

can you back you CLAIMS up? if so please tell which CLAIMS were wrong in this video, and provide evidence for us "scientifically literate" people....lol

[dancingnature]

yes i can ..im a scientist..biology

[dancingnature]

"if so please tell which CLAIMS were wrong in this video,"

all of them made by hovind

and provide evidence for us "scientifically literate" people.

Science, Nature, PloS, PNAS etc

its called peer reviewed literature

[The4thLeveler]

Rofl at creationists.

[dfarmer1584]

????

[me4321]

Evolutionists gather evidence, try to formulate explanations for the world around them, and come to some kind of conclusion.

Creationists start off with a conclusion and look around the world for evidence to support that conclusion.

"Smart people believe weird things because they are good at defending ideas they came to believe for non-smart reasons." --Dr. Michael Shermer, Author, Why People Believe Weird Things

[desioner]

Your telling me, a 30 year old English Instructor to "grow up". I've never heard of this guy spanking anyone in a debate. Let's see what he has done... and why does he need your defense?

[beefking69er]

hahahah 30 year old english instructor, hahahah yeah your real smart. fag, get a life, live it well, God is real stop denying it, look around, life DID NOT come from NON LIFE. evolution is such bullshit it makes me laugh, but people belive it which is a serious problem.

[desioner]

Well if you'd like to know my life is lived very well. I'm married which rules out the "fag". I also HAVE a life because I live in Japan, experiencing new things and teaching my language to better world communication. You imply that I deny your god. I never said anything about it. You obviously did NOT read my original comment. The serious problem (for you) is reconciling with your god. Ask him why he created me this way? I will not reply to any further comments made.

[beefking69er]

LOL your japanese. nuff said

[theworldturnsdaily]

There is only one bar tool in a certain Christian church in a southern confederate state in America. The church is not Catholic. The pastor is white Caucasian and is married to a female. The parishioners are mixed Guatemalan Hispanic, African American, Asian and Mexican Hispanic. How do you get Jesus Christ, Allah, and the Holy Spirit all to sit on that one barstool at the same time?? Turn it upside down! This represents what Christians call the Trinity ever since the Nicene council.

[desioner]

"Evolution is not a part of science" This guy is NOT a scientist.

[drxclassic]

Buddha never claimed to be God. Moses never claimed to be Jehovah. Mohammad never claimed to be Allah. Yet Jesus Christ claimed to be the true and living God. Buddha simply said, "I am a teacher in search of the truth." Jesus said, "I am the Truth." Confucius said, "I never claimed to be holy." Jesus said, "Who convicts me of sin?" Mohammad said, "Unless God throws his cloak of mercy over me, I have no hope." Jesus said, "Unless you believe in me, you will die in your sins." (from Praisecalvary)

[Godisfraud777]

"Yet Jesus Christ claimed to be the true and living God."

Of course "Jesus" never claimed any such thing since he left no writings and all we have about him is hearsay written by his alleged "disciples" I guess that fact that the bible claims jesus claimed to be god should be met with gigantic amounts of skepitism! Thanks for hearsay!

[TehHandyman]

Go Kent Hovind :) Finally a guy who owned the Evolution piece of shit propaganda. Fuck of Chimp lovers

[Godisfraud777]

Fuck of chimp lovers? I don't speak moron, what does that mean?

[Fubeli]

Thats it! Thank you for posting the truth!

[p4racat]

To athiests: Isn't it amazing that a guy this retarted can make your dumb theory look sooooo stupid?

If even Hovind can disprove evolution...pfoei...

[Kieran27]

I really don't see how he made evolution seem stupid. His evidence was suspect or incorrect, and his description of evolution was a straw man. Furthermore, he doesn't provide any evidence for his own position on the idea of creation.

[ikilicoglu]

hhahahahahaha I laugh at this f00l

[Zafersan]

This guy's a moron. He says the world is 10,000 years. It's way older, billions. It's tested by the amount of atoms.

[tigeroak]

Good bye Mr.Hovind and Mr.Haggard.

[Comradesnowball]

so wait, whats the logic behind lying to kids?

i mean if you think about it what have they to gain, Creationism is an easier thing to belive so if you want to control kids or whatever isnt it easier to plow out some easy crap???? so tell me if Evolution is false and they know it whats the motivation in teaching it?

[Nastyn810]

I was being sarcastic about the false part....but if anyone can come up with actual proof that anything he said was false I'd like to see it

[sdogunlucky]

Every argument he said has been rebuked by science a million times over. Why should we have to do your homework for you, pick up a book on evolution and read a few pages. If you want me to recommend you a title read the book called "Abusing Science: The case against creationsim". It isn't an attack on creationism as much as it is an attack on the way creationists attack evolution. Knock yourself out, maybe you'll even learn something.

[Nastyn810]

I like people who say that was all false....please post anything to prove the contrary....

Lol did you even watch the video Comradesnowball??

He challenges the foolish logic you just used....

[Comradesnowball]

The foolish logic... what that Evolution is a fact, Darwinsim isnt but that is only one kind of evolutionaty theory, this is what you Zelots don't understand, when scientists discount darwin they're still Evolutionists but they don't agree with they way darwin tells it. If you want to go back to the dark ages fine, but kindly don't take the rest of us with you.

[BobbyBBobson]

stupid and ignorant.  Thank you for your time, that is all.

[VonSchnee]

Did someone mention slaves? I heard that in some old story book there was a good deal on what to do with slaves. The poor, stupid bastards that follow this Hovind charade would probably follow Jim Jones to South Africa (If they wern't swindled out their hard earned money by Hovind first)

[Comradesnowball]

lol, you see its that kind of retoric that proves your a slave to the church, even the pope says evolution is true.

Evolution is a fact thats the simple truth.

[Comradesnowball]

Oh sigh.... Nothing he said is true... i mean Evolution is only agreed on by EVERY SCIENTIST IN THE WORLD Evolution is a genral fact a minoraty of Fundamentalists ARE trying to create a christian Theocracy. there is nothing he said that could stand up aganst evolution

[OleoAcres]

"Nothing he said it true." So the peppered moth wasn't proven false? My tax dollars aren't funding public schools that teach evolution? Wow! Interesting. Welp, since you said it, it must be right. I'll trust your statements from now on - afterall, they are 100% backed by evidence.

[Comradesnowball]

Humans have tail bones, The Fossals that keep appering that show animals changing.... whats that then?

[CL1000]

"Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless."

(Prof. Louis Bounoure, Director of Research, National Center of Scientific Research.)

"The Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to confirm it in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research but purely the product of the imagination."

(Albert Fleishman, professor of zoology & comparative anatomy at Erlangen University)

[Godisfraud777]

The beginning of the quotation, "Evolution is a fairy tale for adults" is not from Bounoure but from Jean Rostand, a much more famous French biologist (he was a member of the Academy of Sciences of the French Academy). The precise quotation is as follows: "Transformism is a fairy tale for adults."

But Rostand has also written that "Transformism may be considered as accepted, and no scientist, no philosopher, no longer discusses [questions - ED.] the fact of evolution."

[beefking69er]

"Godisfraud777"

what you say is such bullshit

"and no scientist, no philosopher, no longer discusses [questions - ED.] the fact of evolution."

yeah they do, it is still a relativly new theory (only around 150 years ago) and the amount of proof against evolution is astounding.

[dancingnature]

"the amount of proof against evolution is astounding."

name one ..id be interested

im a biologist

there is not a single fact about natural phenomena or living organisms that doesnt support biological evolution

and that includes info from other fields like geology chemistry and/or physics

hovind is a liar

[beefking69er]

so dancingnature, your a biologist.

Great, i want you to watch a doccumentry called, "The Case For A Creator" by Lee Strobel. Search for it on youtube. I myself am not a biologist, but i have studied it. The people on this documentry are biologits as well as experts from other feilds such as geology chemistry and/or physics.

Watch it, then tell me what you think. Do you have a PHD?

This doccumentry mentions a list of qualified scientists with PHD's and such who wont except evolution.

[dancingnature]

the false dichotomy of evolution =atheism is alive and well i see

im a christian

facts are facts ..science is based on facts ..theories are explanations for a lot of related facts ...and theology or religious beliefs dont change those facts

if you dont accept evolution youre either ignorant OR lying to yourself OR have been lied to

oh and Intelligent Design has no evidence to support it either as it is creationism not science

[dancingnature]

ive watched that nonsense

tthe list of qualified creationist scientists who have legit PhDs includes kurt wise and duane gish

within the real international life science community theyre considered to be crackpots

[Godisfraud777]

"As far as we know, Louis Bounoure never served as ["Director" nor was even] a member of the CNRS. He was a professor of biology at the University of Strasbourg."