Thank GOD for giving you guys the courage to walk out of the Mormon Church and to expose their heresies. I'll be praying for you guys that GOD will protect you AND YOUR FAMILIES, and that you will grow closer in your walk with JESUS CHRIST.
* none other than the prophet Abraham saw fit to ensure that his writings would end up in some normal Egyptian guy's tomb and then sold on to JS thousands of years later
* That when the church was experiencing financial pressures, D&C 'revelation' on paying tithing on one's interest was redefined as 10% of all income.
* none other than the prophet Abraham saw fit to ensure that his writings would end up in some normal Egyptian guy's tomb and then sold on to JS thousands of years later
* That when the church was experiencing financial pressures, D&C 'revelation' on paying tithing on one's interest was redefined as 10% of all income.
Interesting on of these lads said, his mission president said there are five pillars of Mormonism, (1) Joseph Smith is a prophet of God and the gospel was restored through him.
(2) Living prophet on earth today
(3) Book of Mormon word of God
(4) Mormon Church is only true Church
(5) Faith in Jesus Christ
Yet The Mormon Church claims to follow Christ and he no.5 on the list.
@savedbygrace1972 I was talking to you, but read another one of your later posts and realized that you're no longer LDS. My mind works faster than my eyes and fingers sometimes.
christ took you out of the mormon church? weird so satan was running the mormon church? is satan was running it there would be no mormon church! I guess you went on mission for satan sorry bro but i went on a mission and nothing can shake me! none of this stupid anti crap! nothing, good luck on your road, I hope you find the right path back.
look into the symbols on the Temple and examine word for word everything that they did to you in the "endowment" ceremony. You say no Cross and no statue of Christ on top of your Temple because they are a graven image, so tell me this... is the statue of the angel of light Moroni not a graven image? Why are there no christian symbols anywhere? Don't ever look for these boys to come back to your satanic cult. Once they found Jesus there is no going back.
@maximusjay What Jesus are you following? you walk into a mormon church and all we talk about is to be like our savior Jesus christ. we dont teach " just believe just believe and your saved " no no no! believe and strive to follow him. repent dont do stupid things do what Jesus did while he was on the earth. strive to be perfect like he was perfect. all we talk about is God and Jesus Christ because Christ made it possible to return to him. He had it possible for all of us to be ressurected.
Jesus during opening and closing prayer and during the "sacrament" in which the church feeds its prisoners bread and water. The rest of the time is spend singing and speaking about Joey Smith. You strive to follow Him? How? By following a man that claims 2 commune with Him face to face? What does the BIble say: Matthew 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; (Utah) go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; (Holy of holies) believe it not.
@maximusjay Yeah its Joey Smith. Get it right. How do you know what goes on in our churchs. what you said that you are so freaking wrong. read my last statement. all we talk about is christ and dont skip over the question. do we talk about the same Christ? because i believe so. another thing about making your own interpation of Matthew 24:26 you are so bull. what if utah was in a hill grassy area would you still put in the word utah? go to to the mormon church tomorrow then we will see.
On the surface your Church attempts to blur the line on the Christian Christ. However your christ and the Christian Christ are not the same. Even your own dead "prophet" Hinckley said so. Are you now going to call him a liar? To now show where you are deceptive, lets compare. All you need to do to be Saved (exalted) is to have True Faith in Jesus. Same Christ? You do not have to be baptized into any Church or get any Temple endowments. Same Christ? continued
You do not have to do any works in order to receive the Gift of Grace. It is a free Gift that cannot be earned. Same Christ? All Authority in Heaven and on Earth came to Christ through the Cross. It is through this same Cross that we get all of our Authority to act in the name of Christ. Same Christ? When we are Baptized into the Word of God by dying and being resurrected in Him and receiving the Holy Spirit, we become members of the Royal Priesthood, both men and women. Same?
@maximusjay John 3:15-17 basically that through the atonement we are all now saved ( all resurrected ). we will not meet out maker ( God ) untill judgement day and thats when Jesus will come down and the earth will be destroyed. There is waiting period for when we die and when the resurrection is. If you die without hearing the Gospel ( true gospel ) you will have the chance to hear it and you have the chance to either except it or reject it. then when Christ comes down again we will be dudged.
All Resurrected is Saved? I think that you need to read the Bible. Mark 16:16 (Believers will be Saved but none believers will be condemned) says it all, but I will list a few more. If you apply your resurrected is Saved then you would have to say from Mark 16:16 would read Believer's will be resurrected but none believers will not be resurrected. We know that is not true. Jesus was the first fruits of the resurrection. Luke 7:50; Luke 8:12; John 10:9; Acts 2:21; Acts 2:47- Cont
In Acts 24:15 "I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked"
As you can see if you look at just a couple of the passages that I have cited that there is no Salvation for the wicked. Thus resurrection is not Salvation. You have been fooled but again. Smith was a fraud.
The Bible says that the body returns to the ground, but the spirit returns to God from where it came when we die. When you come to understand the writings of Paul which your Church must reject in order to justify its foolishness, then you would understand that those of us that live in the spirit will have a consciousness after death in varying degree due to our treasures in Heaven, but those that live in the flesh will sleep until the second resurrection knowing nothing.
@maximusjay John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his obly begotten son that whosoever believeth in him may not perish but have everlasting life. other words God sent his son to die on the cross to SAVE ALL OF US FROM OUTER DARKNESS. outer darkness as in when we die we don't go in complete darkness. If we new we would go to outer darkness ( complete utter darkness ) would we have a purpose in this life. Through the atonement we do have a purpose.
"we dont teach " just believe just believe and your saved " no no no! believe and strive to follow him" You teach that only through works which enrich the LDS Church can you be Saved (Exalted). I was a Mormon. I know what we taught.
@hanypants your right, you cant be baptised without know why you are getting baptized. The water is just water. Like you said is a sympalism of his death and ressurection of being cleaned again. now after baptism if you go back to your old ways( that is if you are changing your life around ) seeing how you were baptized that baptism was in vain. laying on of hands and receiving the Holly Ghost is a must. 12 of Jesus's desciples were ordained by the laying on of hands. and its brought to today
@maximusjay Good and bad. stupid and dumb founded. We will all then be judged upon what we did upon this earth. if we did bad and CONTINUED TO LIVE IN SIN WE ARENT GOING BE WITH GOD AND JESUS CHRIST. he earth is our trial period. He is testing us. now if you continue to live like this and you you will find out after you die. now you tell me, am I talking about the same Christ as your Christ? because if its a different Christ then i dont know what your reading. read the bible.
When for a second are you free from sin silly one? You are a murderer and an adulterer, a thief and a liar. At what moment are you free from sin? Only Through Faith in Christ are we free from the bondage of sin. It is Faith that is counted as righteousness that Saves us. Not any amount of Works. You tell me how you are free from sin? You are not taking about the Biblical Christ. You are speaking of the LDS christ. A false Christ. I not only read the BIble, I understand it.
@maximusjay i didnt say we were saved from sin. we all sin and we are full of sin but Jesus dying on the Cross made it possible for us to repent and to live was God again. the atonement made it possible for us to be ressurected. yes Faith is Christ is great but we gotta go beyond that. we gotta show we have faith in him, we gotta do what really followers of Christ do we gotta do so soul searching not believe everything we here and put down other churches.
How many times do you crucify Christ? We repent when we turn toward God. That is done once just as Christ died once for our sins. After that we confess our sins to one another. To our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. Your salvation cannot be taken away from you even by God. You can turn your back on it, but you cannot lose it. If you build falsely on the foundation of Christ once saved, you will still be saved but only as one escaping through the flames. You will suffer loss.
Show me in the Bible where the "atonement" made it possible for us to be resurrected. You do not understand what happened in the Garden. Christ had to fulfill the law perfectly. First the sins of men had to be placed on the head of the lamb. Then the alter had to be sprinkled with its blood before the sacrifice, in order to purify the alter. Christ's shedding of blood in the Garden was not for our sins but to purify the Alter. Continued
Google Solomon's Temple for me. You will see that every sacrifice that was pleasing to God since the sure mercies of David were made on the Cross. The alter that was sanctified was the Cross of Christ, the key of David. The Cross of Christ has always been the Key to the Kingdom of Heaven. When Christ said He would give the "Keys" to the Kingdom of Heaven to the Apostles, He was speaking of the Cross and the Faithful. Does the Cross not look like a key to you? Where is yours?
@maximusjay if one of your best friends got shot and to remember him would you wear a bullet around your neck to remember him? or would do do something else more uplifting? doesnt a bullet symbolize death? We dont wear a cross because we want to remember his resurrection. Dont get me wrong, we dont want to push away his death because that made it possible for us to evan be resurrected. we have stuff like CTR Choose The Right. Following jesus and such. The same Jesus you talk about FYI.
If Jesus was the friend and He told me to take up my bullet and follow Him, that they bullet was my key into Heaven, then yes I would wear it around my neck. Show me in the Bible where Christ's death on the Cross gave us resurrection. Everyone is resurrected, that is not Saved. You will be resurrected even if you do not Believe in or follow Christ. Salvation is Living with God and it requires True Faith in Jesus Christ that the Works that He did for us on the Cross are enough.
@maximusjay Christ suffered for all out sins. Christ felt all our sads and sorrows. You didnt feel happy? Christ felt that? whatever you didnt feel happy about he felt it. EVERYTHING. Blood pored through every pore of his body. none of of can Fully understand what he did for u. He didnt have to do that. He had the power to " say no Im done" and he could have walked off that cross. He didnt, he did that for us. when he was ressurected that also makes it so we will be as well at the last day.
You are not reading what I wrote. The blood that dripped from His pores sanctified the Earth in preparation for the Sacrifice of God's Lamb. You however believe that what Christ did on the Cross is not enough. That the blood he shed on the Cross for you has limits. In this way you have rejected Christ. You need nothing more than True Faith in Christ to be Saved (Exalted). You do not need a "prophet" who claims to speak for God but is a Liar, and you do not need any Temple works.
Galatians 1:6, "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel."
Galatians 1:8,9, which says, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." continued:
Gal. 3:10 "ALL who RELY on OBSERVING THE LAW ARE UNDER A CURSE, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."
I pray the Spirit of Blindness may be lifted from you and that you will understand what I am about to show you:
Gal. "He who through faith is righteous shall live"; (Righteousness comes only from Belief in Christ) but THE LAW DOES NOT REST ON FAITH, for "He who does them shall live by them." (The Curse)
The Law does not rest on Faith. That means that if you are found under the curse that you will have to do continual works in order to fulfill the Righteousness of the Law on your own. You will however be working yourself to death because as it is said: Matthew 5:20
"For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven"
How can your righteousness exceed those who kept the law perfectly?
Do you not understand that if you are under the Law then you are not under Grace, and if you are under Grace then you are not under the Law? You who follow the Law cannot rely on the Grace of Christ "after all you can do" because you do not belong to Christ. If you did you would have accepted His Grace and would not be working under the Law. Christ will tell you that He does not know you. Stop trying to reconcile the Bible to the false doctrines of Mormonism and you will see its Truth.
@maximusjay theres three parts to the atonement: suffering the the Garden, his death on the cross and to complete it, when he resurrected. now your say look in the bible to see where it says that by the atonement we are NOW resurrected? well you have it right. doesnt matter if we believe in Christ we all will be resurrected. Thats a free gift to all man but what happens after is what defines what we did on earth. Bin laden isnt going to be in the same place as us. to bad for him.
@maximusjay Im getting to your question but i also wanted to say the the atonemt made it possible for children to be inocent untill a certain age. once they are born there not born in sin and dont need to be baptized right away ( catholics believe that ) we believe at the age of * they are then at that age where they know right and wrong then they need to be baptized. if you die at the age of 5 your not going to go to outer darkness because you sinned and didnt get baptized. ( baptism is a gate)
No one is Baptized without understanding the Word of God & without True Faith in Him, whether 5 or 105. Baptism is not a simple dunk in the water unless you do not understand it. The h20 is a ritual washing (dying and being resurrected into Christ as well as the washing to receive the Royal Priesthood. The anointing of the Priesthood comes through the receiving of the Holy Ghost which comes with or without the laying on of hands and before or after water baptism and only after prayer.
.But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 1 Peter 2;9
@maximusjay all of us are in a sense "saved" we are free from the everlasting death. all of us will be ressurected but theres another part. we are Judged and God and Jesus will be the judge of that. Thats the free gift to us. that alone is great! we dont die and be stuck in outer darkness, But "outer darkness " is away from God and if some people keep living the way they are with no faith if Christ and doing nothing to prepare them selves and they know the truth and rejecting. " outer darkness "
Show me in the Bible where we are "free from everlasting death". As far as Faith in Christ, what Faith are you showing in Christ by believing that Christ cannot save you without the teachings of Joseph Smith and your Church? What have you gained by all of the work you have done in that Church that the church cannot take away from you at any time? Matt. 6:20 says to store your treasures in Heaven where no one can steal them from you. You are storing your treasures in a thief's barn.
Your Church can take away your Baptism and everything that you did that is considered by you to be a Good Work. However you have been working yourself to death my friend. Nothing that can be taken from you can be considered a Good Work. As to that Baptism. It is not a Baptism into Christ, but you have been baptized into a trinity. You had to believe in Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon, current Prophet and that the Church is the only true Church. That is crazy man!
@maximusjay what is a prophet? They are men called of God just like in the bible that recieve revalation from Gods. Prophets are Gods servents. Thats the only way we can recieve guadance on what to do. Why do you think God has stopped calling them? he hasnt, Joseph smith was called by God to give us his word and weve have prophets ever since. tell me why you disagree with this. Book of Mormon was translated by a prohpet who was written by prophets. why disagree?
They receive revelation from Gods???!!! There is only one God. Do you not understand about the Gifts of the Spirit? 1 Corinthians 12:4-7, 11. The Gifts of the Spirit along with it the Gift of Prophecy are not to be confused with the Office of Old Testament Prophet. John the Baptist was the last Old Testament Prophet called from among mortal men. Christ as is explained in Hebrews is the everlasting Prophet who speaks for God the Father. So yes, God stopped calling new Prophets.
Why is it that when Ex-Mormons talk about "Being Faithful" Mormons, there always seems to be an emptiness in their words. Almost as if they are lying and you can feel that they are lying. Almost as if they are deceiving themselves into believing they had a deeper testimony of the restored Gospel than they truly did have.
@greg0rius who cares how deep their "testimony" was or wasn't? Why attack their character when you can rebut them on theological grounds? You *can* rebut them on theological grounds, can't you?
*crickets*
I didn't think so. You can't argue for the LDS church from the Bible; you've got to add a whole other book from which to argue circularly for the "restoration" of a Gospel that was uncorrupted for 1800+ years.
The only emptiness is in your heart. You do not know Christ and you can't stand anyone who does. The attacks that you present are covering the underlying fear that they are correct. You are fooling no one but yourself. Admit your doubts.
@greg0rius There always seems to be emptiness in ex mormon testimonies and words? That's because all ex mormons resent ever having a testimony of a false god and a heretical gospel. They hate talking about it.
You guys are terrible! how can you say these lies! you were missionaries! problaby you were bad missionaries! that's why you are saying thsese things! how can you have an answer from God about the chuch and deny it!
@grazielalds You say terrible missionaries? If at any time in your life, you had doubts about the truthfullness of the lds church, your doubts would be accurate. There is overwhelming historical and theological proof the Mormon church is anti Christian. Don't be the last one in the church to locate the truth. Don't let your leaders fool you into believing that facts are anti mormon.
@Godincrease you didn't quote it right either buddy, let me correct you with God's TRUE words.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." ephesians 2:8-9
You are taking some great liberties of your own. Testament means Witness. A Witness of the Word of God. The Covenant is the Promise that comes through the Witness. Our only requirement is that we Believe in the Son of God. The False interpretation that you speak of is your own ignorance. Works are the Fruit of True Faith. No amount of Works can Save you. They are but filthy rags to God. You have some explaining to do.
He said that we are saved by Grace alone Silly Mormon. That is a True Statement. What aside from Grace are you Saved by Silly? You are not foolish enough to think that you are Saved by works are you? It is by Grace that we are Saved Through True Faith. Stop being an idiot!
@maximusjay - Dear Max, who said? It was not Jesus, it was not James his bro, Paul most certainly stated that we were saved by the grace of Jesus Christ as did the Book of Mormon prophet Nephi. Grace through the Atonement of Christ is the only way to salvation, however grace is not enough for we need to act on that grace by acting on faith and as Jesus' brother stated faith without works is dead being alone, how then can you question the needs of works? Did not Jesus teach us to follow his works
The Fruit of True Faith is Good Works. However you cannot earn Grace it is a free Gift. However, if you say that you have True Faith, yet you produce no Good Works, then can the faith you claim to have save you? Why don't you tell me what you think Good Works are. Once you have done this you can be corrected and the Word of God can silence your ignorance. God Bless
ACTS.3:20-21 "And He (God the Father) shall send Jesus, which before was preached unto you...Whom the heaven must receive until the time of the 'restitution of all things' which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy Prophets since the world began"
Joseph Smith was & still is the "Prophet of the Restoration"....and God knows that because He chose him
"Joseph Smith was...the "Prophet of the Restoration"
Then he was a false "Prophet". All authority after the coming of the New Covenant was through the Gifts of the Spirit to the Faithful. Christ is the only Living Prophet, and the only Prophet of the restoration of all things you Silly Mormon.
SPINMAXTER "Christ is the only Living Prophet, and the only Prophet of the restoration of all things"
The Bible says that Jesus came to "fulfill all righteousness".what was then "taken away" from His Gospel that He came to "restore"?
God gave no Apostles to the previous Prophets, but only to His Begotten Son 'coz He was the promised & the prophesied one with all the glory, truth, power & authority of His Father, even before the world was..He never restored those but gave to His chosen Apostles
What Christ fulfilled by taking away the Law, Joseph Smith and the other blind guides restored. You are all a bunch of Silly Ones. You will all pay for what you have done. "The Bible tells me so".
SPINMAXTER "What Christ fulfilled by taking away the Law"
WHAT LAW WAS THAT?...FYI, Jesus was & still is the law..The only thing Jesus took away from this earth was the "Authority to Act" (Holy Priesthood Authority) which He personally gave His Apostles. Without it, (1)there is not Church, (2)there is no direct revelations from God, (3)men were left without guidance from God & the Church was led by unauthorized men who cared only for their own political endeavors
You speak hooey. The Old Law was fulfilled by Christ. By denying that you deny Christ. The New Covenant replaced the old. Don't you read the Bible? How can you speak such lies about Christ then say you follow HIm?
Again, stop changing the issue. Jesus gave His Apostles "Authority" before the Holy Ghost came down from heaven just as Jesus promised His Apostles. Jesus said..
"..for if I go NOT away, the Comforter will NOT come unto you, but if I depart, I will send Him unto you"
The Apostles solely relied on Jesus' directions & guidance. Jesus knew His Father will send the Holy Ghost only when He completely left this earth. The HG was to guide & direct...
"jesus gave His Apostles "Authority" before the Holy Ghost came"
Temporarily. Jesus told the Apostles to sit idol until the Holy Ghost brought them Authority to act in His name once again. It is you that can't get that through your thick skull. The reason for them to wait was the coming change in the law which you also ignore Silly Mormon.
SPINMAXTER "Jesus told the Apostles to sit idol until the Holy Ghost brought them Authority to act in His name once again"
Prove it...if you say it's somewhere in JOHN.16, then you're just trying to gamble with God's Truth & your conversion into Christianity is pride in it's best.
Silly Mormon one-liner. The Apostles were to remain idle until the Holy Ghost had come upon them. Once again you take one section of the Bible and ignore all the others. The instructions given to the Apostles in John 16 were in the future, such as John 16:12-15. They go with Acts 1:4. They were instructions for after they had waited for the Holy Ghost. You are if nothing else, a Silly One.
You heard Jesus said 'the Comforter will not come' while He is still around. He(HG a member of the Godhead)will only come when He(Jesus)as part of Gods plan, is absent from this earth (JOHN.16:7)
The HG only came upon those in the room with the Apostles during the Pentecost ¬ including the 100s or even 1000s of other baptized disciples of Jesus all over the land. The Apostles had authority to give the HG to them by laying on hands(ACTS.19)
And so was the Holy Ghost...After the Apostles all left this life, the "Authority to Act" was taken away from this earth & the "Holy Ghost" was no longer have no one authorized & no one properly baptized to accept it...The whole Church organized by Jesus was under the control of wise men..who were/are "teaching for doctrine the commandments of men"
(3) JOHN.16:13 (The Spirit of Truth Guides on behalf of God the Father & His Son, Jesus Christ)
"Howbeit when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak; and He will shew you things to come"
The Holy Ghost through the Gifts of the Spirit gives revelation to the body of Christ. The Gift of Prophecy which brings us Revelation (not new scripture) comes through Faithful members of the Body of Christ who have this GIft, both men and women. What ended with the death of the Apostles was new scripture. Do you think God would have allowed them to die before finishing their task? They with Christ are the unchangeable foundation the Church is to be built upon stone by stone.
"Just remember...The Priesthood Authority is not the Holy Ghost"
You Blasphemous Silly One. John 16 in Christ's own words teaches us that it is the Holy Ghost that brings Authority. The Same Authority of Christ. The Holy Spirit will seal the Faithful into Salvation until the time of Judgement. That is the Royal Priesthood of the New Covenant and not the fulfilled Levitical Priesthood that your "Church" as hijacked. Too bad the illegitimate authority they hijacked had been rendered obsolete.
SPINMAXIE "the Holy Ghost that brings Authority. The Same Authority of Christ"
Do these Christian Pastors (Benny Hinn, Ken Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Jimmy Shwagard, etc) share your personal unbiblical beliefs?...I didn't think so. God speaks only to His Prophets thru revelations..listen to the words of the Prophets who lead God's work today
"God speaks only to His Prophets thru revelations..listen to the words of the Prophets who lead God's work today "
Still stuck on the OT way of things when the veil was rent on the Cross leSavaii? Maximusjay lives only by the Bible, and God speaks to him through His Word. You however, are led by men who lie to you. Have you even bothered to look up one references he has posted? The Holy Ghost is God's communicator, which is also literally God's spirit. You are not seeing the simple truth.
And thats the biggest problem among Christians wannabe-prophets..they worship & live by "a book"
God from the very beginning (OT) sent & talked with His Prophets, His own people rejected every single one of them...God sent His Son Jesus, again He was rejected & killed by His own.
In these latter-days Satan has become more aggressive than ever before, so before God's Son returns..God again has been sending & talking to His chosen Living Prophets
The Pharisees even used the same words on Jesus Christ while preaching His Truth..especially when Jesus revealed Himself as "The Son of the Living God"
Again, you're trying to chop-suey up the two. (1)-The Priesthood Authority was given by Jesus, authorizing His Apostles to preach, to heal the sick, to cast out demons, etc.(2)-The Holy Ghost is one of the members of the Godhead. The promised Comforter & who will bear witness of God the Father & His Son
Christ's Priesthood Authority is not the Levitical Priesthood. Faithful members of Christ belong to the Royal Priesthood. The Levitical Priesthood which served the Jews only, was an imperfect shadow of the things to come. It was a forerunner of the Royal Priesthood. The Law Changed and necessitated also a change of Priesthood. The Levitical Priesthood and Law, with all of its regulations and ordinances was nailed to the Cross.
TWISTEDMAX "The Law Changed and necessitated also a change of Priesthood"
The Law Changed?...then you agree that Jesus will remain in heaven until the "restoration of all things" (ACTS.3:20-21) is fulfilled in this last dispensation of time?
KNOW THESE MEN?
John the Baptist returned, Peter, James & John returned, Moses & Prophet Elijah returned, etc, etc..these men & others played very important roles in establishing the Kingdom of God on earth in preparations for Jesus the Christ's return
Why don't you show me in the Bible where the Kingdom of God has been established on the earth Silly Mormon. The Restoration of all things is related to the last stone being placed in the Church of Christ. Its completion. It is also related to the construction of the only legitimate Temple to God on the Earth. The one that will be restored with the Ark of the covenant in Jerusalem. Then Jesus will return as trumpeted by Angles.
JESUS SAID "And these things will they do (or say) unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me"
You've totally ignored, twisted & squeezed the importance of the Restoration of All Things (ACTS.3:20-21) out of context. Countless times, youve totally ignored the return of John the Baptist, Peter, James & John, Moses & Prophet Elijah, etc, etc..bent these biblical facts just to match with your man sort-out beliefs..Youve been completely fooled by the twister of all..the Devil himself
The Bible teaches us to ignore those things which are a lie. What Smith "restored" was not "all things" but rather all which Christ had fulfilled by dying on the Cross. According to the Mormon doctrines, Christ apostatized His own Church. There are no "Biblical facts" that support your foolishness. Stop being so Silly.
Yes the Law Changed. Perfection (Exaltation) could not be obtained through the Levitical Priesthood, so the Royal Priesthood was established which is based on Faith in Christ. The change in the Priesthood necessitated a change in the law, because it was the Old Law that had established the Priesthood. Thus the New Covenant of Grace is the New Law.
TWISTEDMAX "Christ's Priesthood Authority is not the Levitical Priesthood"
MATT.10:1 "And when He had called unto Him His twelve disciples, He (Jesus) gave them power....to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease"
*There is NO Holy Ghost there & NO mentioning of the Levitical Priesthood. Stop changing the subject.
MARK.3:14-15 "And He ordained twelve, that they should be with Him, and that He might send them forth to preach...And to have power to heal sickness, and to cast out devils"
*Again, No mentioning of the Holy Ghost nor the Levitical Priesthood that you kept raising.
Stop trying to change the subject. You have been fooled once again
LUKE.9:1-2 "Then He called His Twelve disciples together, and gave them Power and Authority over all devils and to cure diseases...And He send them to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick"
*It is evidenced & more facts that Jesus gave His Twelve Apostles "power & authority to act" in His Name way before He sent the Holy Ghost as His replacement as one who directs & guides the Apostles as they mourned His absence.
Stop twisting & changing the subject..you've been fooled, big time!
Jesus know His earthly ministry will soon end &what will happen when He leaves His Apostles alone without Him directing them around. They will face persecutions, even death & they think they do it as a service to God.
Jesus knows His Apostles will be sadden of Him not being around so He tells of the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth whom He will send only 'after' He goes away "..to Him that sent me"
Jesus tells of the Holy Ghost to take His place while away & that "He shall glorify me
He leaves HIs Apostles alone without Him directing them around"
Only for 10 days. Then the Holy Ghost was sent with Authority not just for the 12 Apostles, but for every Faithful Christian to Act in the Name of Jesus Christ, to Bear Good Fruit, which is to witness of Christ and the Word and carry on the "Great Commission". How foolish and even downright stupid it would be for one to claim that Christ could not preserve His Word.
God the Father had it all planned out..after sending Prophets before Jesus,God decide to send His only Begotten Son..but what happened?They were all rejected & persecuted or even killed, like Jesus..so what's God next move?Send in the Holy Ghost to comfort & to direct the Apostles, bear witness of the Father & His Son in everything they ask of God in Jesus' name...
There is nothing in JOHN.16 that suggest the "Priesthood Authority" is the same as the "Holy Ghost"..Youve been fooled
"There is nothing in JOHN 16 that suggest the "Priesthood Authority is the same as the "Holy Ghost"
Show me where in the Bible where Christ reestablishes the Levitical Priesthood after He fulfills it on the Cross. Do you not see that what Joseph Smith reestablished is all that Christ had fulfilled? Do you not see that Smith in effect accuses Christ of apostatizing his own Church? When will your ignorance be silenced?
SPINMAX "All faithful Christians are witnesses to Christ through the Holy Ghost. Mormons are not among the Faithful"
Paul in Ephesus found wondering faithful Christians that never received the Holy Ghost (I guess the Holy Ghost missed them faithfuls too, huh?) ACTS.19:1-6
You silly blind and confused Mormon. Paul found some individuals that had been led into repentance by John the Baptist, not ones that had found Jesus. Why do you twist the BIble?
BLINDMAX "led into repentance by John the Baptist not ones that had found Jesus"
"One Lord, One Faith & One Baptism"...How many Baptisms are there? You can't twist this one, huh? You claimed the Holy Ghost was pour out on all the faithfuls during the day of the Pentecost...why not these faithfuls in Ephesus?..why did the HG failed according to you?
The Apostles asked Jesus how they should baptize. He said to Baptize in the NAME of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. The NAME of all three is Christ. So we are to Baptize in the NAME of Christ. Christ is also the WORD. So to Baptize into all three is to Baptize into the WORD of God. This is why the thief on the Cross was "exalted" without being baptized by Water. He was Baptized by the Word of God.
I already told you. How could they have had Faith in Christ when they did not even know who Christ was? They were not the Faithful Silly Mormon. They were Baptized only into repentance. That was all John could do. How could one be Baptized into Christ before Christ fulfilled the Law Silly.
ALL 'CAUSE OF A BAPTIST MINISTER?...That was not Jesus Christ taking you out of Mormonisms, was it? It was a Baptist Minister.Didn't you know that, since the Restoration of God's Truth during the 1800s, the Baptists were the most extreme foes of the Prophet Joseph Smith, beside the Methodists? They were certainly used by Satan himself, trying to stop God's Work from spreading. They were/are behind in launching a lot of the whinings & the attacks towards the Mormons, but they keep failing
Are you telling us about the temple skit or all of the lies and folklore handed down in the church?
What if someone came along, said they had the only true church and then stole the identity of your God? What if they said the Mormon god was once a salamander and started taking your members away?
AWOL "There would be NO D&C or the bookamormon without the Bible"
EXACTLY..there wouldn't be any other Churches & man-made beliefs if it wasn't with the Bible. Jesus came with one Church only, His Church..even today known as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
His Church was guided by Prophets during the OT & then He came & personally organized it before He was killed, and then re-restored it for the last time before He returns. Go figure!
One Lord, One Faith & One Baptism..One Jesus, One Church & One Baptism..How many Churches do Christians have?..too many & even ignoring many of Jesus' teachings
Personally, the cross is a sign of death, a nightmare to many. You thought the cross would put a stop to Jesus. Jesus knew..if there is no Death, there would be no Resurrectiion.
1Cr 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Phl 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, [that they are] the enemies of the cross of Christ:
And you think laws and ordinances are necessary?
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
WAS PAUL CRUCIFIED & DIED FOR YOU?...Ignorant fools, Jesus was crucified & died for me..not Paul nor the Bible..so stop ignoring the teachings of Jesus Christ 'cause they are from His Father.
AWOL "Laws and ordinances and ceremonies were all nailed to the cross" (PAUL TO THE CORINTHIANS..Are you a Corinthian?)
O Paleeeze!..that's sounded so good, & would certainly bring tears to the blinds..stop "teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" And FYI, Jesus the Son of God the Eternal Father was nailed to the cross, not His Gospel. He had already given power & authority to His Apostles to continue preaching His laws, His Ordinances & His Ceremonies (JOHN.17:6-10)KJV
Don't you know your Bible? The Power & Authority given to the Apostles by Jesus himself died with them & then yourself proclaimed bloodsuckers came in as thieves of the night, dressed in sheep's clothing & took over without directions from God himself, but their own.
AWOL "I'm trying to warn you. It is "Jesus" not Joseph that is important"
What's important to God & His Son Jesus..is important to me. Joseph Smith was important to them. Go figure!
"The Power & Authority given to the Apostles...died with them"
You must have a different Bible then me. My Bible says that Christ told the Apostles to wait and do nothing in Jerusalem until the Authority to Act in the name of Christ came through the Holy Ghost at Pentecost. If the Authority of Christ died with the Apostles then Christ would have been a liar when He said that on the little bit of Faith of Peter He would build His Church and the Gates of Hell would not prevail against it.
JD "Christ told the Apostles to wait and do nothing in Jerusalem until the Authority to Act in the name of Christ came through the Holy Ghost at Pentecost"
You must be dreaming of the Priesthood Authority nitely & you how important that is to act..so you & other XMormons cooked up the HG as the authority that Jesus personally gave His Apostles way before the Pentecost huh? Sorry dude, you timing contradicts the Bible's & especially Jesus Christ's
JD "My Bible says that Christ told the Apostles to wait"
WAIT?...Does that mean the Apostles disobeyed Jesus when they went ahead & appointed Matthias to replace Judas..by what authority thay they were acted upon in choosing Matthias?(ACTS.1:25-26) What happened to the WAIT?
The Holy Ghost is not the Authority to Act as you've suggested. The HG is one of the Members of the Godhead. The Testifier & Who bears witness TO both God the Eternal Father & His Son/Jesus Christ.
Yes they did. They acted without the Holy Ghost which in Acts 1 it is explained would not come until later. The Apostles acted under the Old Law which was not valid under the New Covenant. You would know this if you had the Holy Ghost, which you do not.
READ THIS CAREFULLY...Bcuz Jesus assured His Apostles of what comes after they'd received power/authority
ACT.1:8..."But ye shall receive "power" AFTER THAT the Holy Ghost is come upon you..."
The Authority to preach, to heal, to bless, to baptize & to confirm...was given to the Apostles way before the Pentecost (JOHN.15:16. MATT.9:6, 10:15. MARK.2:10, 3:15, 6:7. LUKE.5:24, 9:1)
And BTW, you've just revealed that the Bible is not translated correctly just as Prophet Joseph Smith suggested.
You silly Mormon. You tell me to read carefully your selected passages that you have not read carefully. The "Authority" in your cited passages was given to the Faithful. You cited John 15:16 You would be wise to begin at the John 15:5 where you see that in context Jesus is speaking of Faithful men, not just the Apostles. In Acts 1 in context it is telling us that the Apostles had not yet received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, which will be given to the Faithful at Pentecost.
You claimed the Apostles never had the Authority from Jesus Christ for them to choose Matthias as a replacement for Judas (ACTS.1:24-26)
That again proved my point..Jesus gave His Apostles Power & Authority before the Pentecost, to act. Jesus knew that He was not gonna be around physically to help & guide them, so...God the Father promised them a constant companion & a comforter, even God the Holy Ghost..figure? Read & Learn..not just read
"Jesus gave His Apostles Power & Authority before the Pentecost"
1: Power and Authority are the same thing. 2: Christ told the Apostles that they would have this when the Holy Ghost came. Until then they were told to wait. 10 days later they received the Holy Ghost & Authority to Act in the name of Christ under the New Covenant, along with all of the Faithful. You should take your own advice when it comes to "learn". You continue to Reject the Word of God. How long will he wait on you?
1. show me what authority Jesus gave to His Apostles.
2. show me what Church you are speaking of. Christ said that "on this Rock, {I WILL} build my Church" The Church could not have been started until after the fulfillment of the Law Silly Blind Mormon. Christ had to keep the Law perfectly until all was fulfilled.
3. Matthias was chosen without the Holy Ghost. How could that be not of man SIlly. Paul refers to this.
I thought the cyclone season is over & yet you twisted the Holy Bible conveniently (MATT.5:19?) to match with your own agenda. Now you gotta prove these allegations..
WHEN & WHERE IN THE HOLY BIBLE THAT JESUS DENIED MATTHIAS & CHOSE PAUL TO REPLACE JUDAS
CYCLONEMAX "on this ROCK"?
MATT.16:18 "...and upon this ROCK (referring to REVELATIONS) I will build my Church..."
*Revelations is a way of communicating between God & His chosen men
I will be glad to answer you question when you tell me where I said that Jesus denied Matthias.
MATT 16:18 God revealed to Peter through the Holy Ghost. Faith and Revelation is the "pebble" but Jesus is the Rock upon which the Church would be built. Revelation which means the act of revealing Truth. It is not a bunch of old men making up a new gospel as they go along. Revelation is a Gift of the Spirit related to prophecy. Any Faithful Christian can have this Gift.
SPINMAX "MATT 16:18 God revealed to Peter through the Holy Ghost. Faith and Revelation is the "pebble" but Jesus is the Rock"
We know Jesus is referred to as the Rock according to several biblical writings...but in this particular incidence (MATT.16:18) Jesus is referring to His Father's "revelations" as the "rock" in which Jesus himself shall build His Church...in which also Jesus as the "Chief-Corner-Stone"
Spin all you like SPINMAXTER..you should listen to God's chosen Prophets
Jesus himself is referring to His Father's "revelations". The Church is built upon many things. revelation of who the Christ is, is but one of them. It is testimony of Christ as the Word of God upon which the Church is built. That is the Fruit of the Tree. Saying that revelation means new scripture is not supported anywhere in the Bible, especially when that "new Scripture" conflicts with the foundation of Christ's Church. That is what was taught by God's chosen Apostles.
CYCLONEMAXIE "Christ ignored Matthias and chose Paul"
I knew you were gonna cook something up..I thought Martin Luther was cool when he tried to cook up the Priesthood Authority & the Holy Ghost with the same identity..and now you Matthias, Paul & Judas..no wonder you left God's Truth.
Bent Twig: did you not say that God was unchanging? So why don't you tell me which of the Apostles was Chosen not through men or by men, but by Jesus Christ Himself. Can you list them by name?
JESUS GAVE AUTHORITY TO ACT..NOT THE HOLY GHOST..TO HIS APOSTLES, WHICH THEY USED TO SELECT MATTHIAS TO REPLACE JUDAS WY BEFORE THE PENTECOST..IN WHICH YOU DENIED.
TWISTEDMAX The "Authority" in your cited passages (MATT.15:156) was given to the Faithful"
And who are the chosen faithfuls that Jesus is talking to?..ordaining & giving them the "Authority to Act" in His name? You've been fooled & been deceived, big time! Again, Jesus gave Power & Authority to His Apostles way before the Pentecost..
The Holy Ghost is ONE of the MEMBERS of the GODHEAD perhaps, the HG is a God & not the Priesthood Authority of God.
Bent Twig: Look up the definition of wait in english before you open you mouth. In Acts 1 is is recounted that they were told to wait, but instead they disobeyed Christ and acted without the Holy Ghost and chose Matthias. Christ later ignored their choice and chose Paul in the exact same manner that he had chosen the first 12. The Holy Ghost was poured out on the faithful you silly Mormon. All faithful Christians are witnesses to Christ through the Holy Ghost. Mormons are not among the Faithful.
TWISTEDMAX "..they disobeyed Christ and acted without the Holy Ghost" (SO NOW YOU'RE DENYING THE ACTS OF THE APOSTLES?)
Christians love to do the bendings, the twistings, & the spinnings of the Bible just to match with what they believe.
Again, Jesus gave His Apostles the "Authority to Act" (The Priesthood) long before the arrival of the Holy Ghost...but for you to say that the HG is the Priesthood of God is absurd
True, the HG was poured out on the faithful, NOT the Priesthood Authority
Did Peter not lie and deny Christ three times? Did not Peter rebuke Christ twice? Was not Barnabas led astray? Did Paul and the others Apostles not continue in sin? Did the Apostles not argue, fight and disagree over the subject of the Gentiles?
"Jesus gave his Apostles the Priesthood" Giving the Apostles the Priesthood before Christ died on the Cross would have been illegal under the Law. Remember Christ had to keep the law until is was fulfilled.
TWISTEDMAX "Did Peter not lie and deny Christ three times?"
He is human like you..yes Peter denied Jesus but still held on strong of his beliefs in Jesus as the Son of God..nothing like the XMormons who dined both Jesus & the Holy Ghost.
SPINMAX "Giving the Apostles the Priesthood before Christ died on the Cross would have been illegal under the Law"
WHAT LAW?.FYI, Jesus gave the law. He is the Law..why is it illegal for Him to give the Priesthood to His Apostles? U R are blind fool.
Speaking of Blind fools why don't you explain this to me: Matt 5:19 "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven" Christ said He came not to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. Even he had to live to perfectly, and that is why He died on the Cross. It is there that He fulfilled the Law. He could not give a priesthood to a New Covenant that could not be established until after His death Silly Mormon.
"came in as thieves of the night, dressed in sheep's clothing & took over"
How silly that you are when you follow a confirmed false "Prophet" who has blasphemed the Word of God and lead millions of people away from Jesus and into the arms of Satan. Did Satan not tell you in the Temple what the symbols of his priesthood were? Do you now not wear them? Did he not tell you that if you do not keep all the covenants you made there that you are his? Well have you kept all the Covenants?
"the Son of God the Eternal Father was nailed to the cross, not His Gospel"
You live in ignorance. The law along with all of its ordinances was nailed to the Cross, no one said the Gospel was nailed to the Cross Silly Mormon. Power and Authority was given to all who have True Faith. Not one single Faithful Mormon has this Authority. It is reserved for those that Follow the teachings of Christ and His 12 of the Lamb as recorded in the Gospels found in the BIble alone.
J&D "Power and Authority was given to all who have True Faith. Not one single Faithful Mormon has this Authority"
This is a tiring desperate attempt, dreamed up for Power & Authority by the Protestant Mormon Christians. Dude, FYI, you've been excommunicated both on earth & in heaven by the same Authority that you're trying to have a piece of it. Prophet Ezekiel saw you guys coming (EZEKIEL.2:26-27) & the true believers also were warned to look out for the Holy Ghost deniers..(1.PETER.5:8)
Thank GOD for giving you guys the courage to walk out of the Mormon Church and to expose their heresies. I'll be praying for you guys that GOD will protect you AND YOUR FAMILIES, and that you will grow closer in your walk with JESUS CHRIST.
jchuask 2 months ago
Rock and roll!
RocknForJesus 2 months ago
God bless this ministry! I love watching what Christ is doing thru you all!
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* none other than the prophet Abraham saw fit to ensure that his writings would end up in some normal Egyptian guy's tomb and then sold on to JS thousands of years later
* That when the church was experiencing financial pressures, D&C 'revelation' on paying tithing on one's interest was redefined as 10% of all income.
NikolaTeslaTx 1 year ago
* none other than the prophet Abraham saw fit to ensure that his writings would end up in some normal Egyptian guy's tomb and then sold on to JS thousands of years later
* That when the church was experiencing financial pressures, D&C 'revelation' on paying tithing on one's interest was redefined as 10% of all income.
NikolaTeslaTx 1 year ago
So Simple.....So easy......
wildricky40 1 year ago
Interesting on of these lads said, his mission president said there are five pillars of Mormonism, (1) Joseph Smith is a prophet of God and the gospel was restored through him.
(2) Living prophet on earth today
(3) Book of Mormon word of God
(4) Mormon Church is only true Church
(5) Faith in Jesus Christ
Yet The Mormon Church claims to follow Christ and he no.5 on the list.
savedbygrace1972 1 year ago
@savedbygrace1972 lol. Mormons are a made up Religion. hell they think Naitive-Americans are a lost tribe of Israel.. lol.
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 Couldn't agree more mate. Mormonism was devised by Satan, sadly I followed it blindly for 5 years.
savedbygrace1972 1 year ago
@savedbygrace1972 Oops, I didn't realize you're a former Mormon. Sorry, ignore my last response to you.
moparmonster1965 6 months ago in playlist Mormonism
@moparmonster1965 Sorry who and what are you talking about?
savedbygrace1972 6 months ago
@savedbygrace1972 I was talking to you, but read another one of your later posts and realized that you're no longer LDS. My mind works faster than my eyes and fingers sometimes.
moparmonster1965 6 months ago
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BRAVO....BRAVO.....
BLESS THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE!!!
LoQuita1184 1 year ago
christ took you out of the mormon church? weird so satan was running the mormon church? is satan was running it there would be no mormon church! I guess you went on mission for satan sorry bro but i went on a mission and nothing can shake me! none of this stupid anti crap! nothing, good luck on your road, I hope you find the right path back.
hanypants 1 year ago
@hanypants
look into the symbols on the Temple and examine word for word everything that they did to you in the "endowment" ceremony. You say no Cross and no statue of Christ on top of your Temple because they are a graven image, so tell me this... is the statue of the angel of light Moroni not a graven image? Why are there no christian symbols anywhere? Don't ever look for these boys to come back to your satanic cult. Once they found Jesus there is no going back.
maximusjay 1 year ago
@maximusjay What Jesus are you following? you walk into a mormon church and all we talk about is to be like our savior Jesus christ. we dont teach " just believe just believe and your saved " no no no! believe and strive to follow him. repent dont do stupid things do what Jesus did while he was on the earth. strive to be perfect like he was perfect. all we talk about is God and Jesus Christ because Christ made it possible to return to him. He had it possible for all of us to be ressurected.
hanypants 1 year ago
@hanypants
Jesus during opening and closing prayer and during the "sacrament" in which the church feeds its prisoners bread and water. The rest of the time is spend singing and speaking about Joey Smith. You strive to follow Him? How? By following a man that claims 2 commune with Him face to face? What does the BIble say: Matthew 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; (Utah) go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; (Holy of holies) believe it not.
maximusjay 1 year ago
@maximusjay Yeah its Joey Smith. Get it right. How do you know what goes on in our churchs. what you said that you are so freaking wrong. read my last statement. all we talk about is christ and dont skip over the question. do we talk about the same Christ? because i believe so. another thing about making your own interpation of Matthew 24:26 you are so bull. what if utah was in a hill grassy area would you still put in the word utah? go to to the mormon church tomorrow then we will see.
hanypants 1 year ago
@hanypants
1.
On the surface your Church attempts to blur the line on the Christian Christ. However your christ and the Christian Christ are not the same. Even your own dead "prophet" Hinckley said so. Are you now going to call him a liar? To now show where you are deceptive, lets compare. All you need to do to be Saved (exalted) is to have True Faith in Jesus. Same Christ? You do not have to be baptized into any Church or get any Temple endowments. Same Christ? continued
maximusjay 1 year ago
@hanypants
2.
You do not have to do any works in order to receive the Gift of Grace. It is a free Gift that cannot be earned. Same Christ? All Authority in Heaven and on Earth came to Christ through the Cross. It is through this same Cross that we get all of our Authority to act in the name of Christ. Same Christ? When we are Baptized into the Word of God by dying and being resurrected in Him and receiving the Holy Spirit, we become members of the Royal Priesthood, both men and women. Same?
maximusjay 1 year ago
@maximusjay John 3:15-17 basically that through the atonement we are all now saved ( all resurrected ). we will not meet out maker ( God ) untill judgement day and thats when Jesus will come down and the earth will be destroyed. There is waiting period for when we die and when the resurrection is. If you die without hearing the Gospel ( true gospel ) you will have the chance to hear it and you have the chance to either except it or reject it. then when Christ comes down again we will be dudged.
hanypants 1 year ago
@hanypants
1.
All Resurrected is Saved? I think that you need to read the Bible. Mark 16:16 (Believers will be Saved but none believers will be condemned) says it all, but I will list a few more. If you apply your resurrected is Saved then you would have to say from Mark 16:16 would read Believer's will be resurrected but none believers will not be resurrected. We know that is not true. Jesus was the first fruits of the resurrection. Luke 7:50; Luke 8:12; John 10:9; Acts 2:21; Acts 2:47- Cont
maximusjay 1 year ago
2.
Acts 11:14; Acts 16:17; Acts 16:30; Rom 9:27; Rom 10:10; Rom 10:13; 1Cor. 1:18; 1 Cor. 15:2; Eph 2:8; 2 Thes 2:10; Titus 3:5; 1 pet 4:18.
In Acts 24:15 "I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked"
As you can see if you look at just a couple of the passages that I have cited that there is no Salvation for the wicked. Thus resurrection is not Salvation. You have been fooled but again. Smith was a fraud.
maximusjay 1 year ago
@hanypants
The Bible says that the body returns to the ground, but the spirit returns to God from where it came when we die. When you come to understand the writings of Paul which your Church must reject in order to justify its foolishness, then you would understand that those of us that live in the spirit will have a consciousness after death in varying degree due to our treasures in Heaven, but those that live in the flesh will sleep until the second resurrection knowing nothing.
maximusjay 1 year ago
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@maximusjay John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his obly begotten son that whosoever believeth in him may not perish but have everlasting life. other words God sent his son to die on the cross to SAVE ALL OF US FROM OUTER DARKNESS. outer darkness as in when we die we don't go in complete darkness. If we new we would go to outer darkness ( complete utter darkness ) would we have a purpose in this life. Through the atonement we do have a purpose.
hanypants 1 year ago
@hanypants
"we dont teach " just believe just believe and your saved " no no no! believe and strive to follow him" You teach that only through works which enrich the LDS Church can you be Saved (Exalted). I was a Mormon. I know what we taught.
maximusjay 1 year ago
@hanypants your right, you cant be baptised without know why you are getting baptized. The water is just water. Like you said is a sympalism of his death and ressurection of being cleaned again. now after baptism if you go back to your old ways( that is if you are changing your life around ) seeing how you were baptized that baptism was in vain. laying on of hands and receiving the Holly Ghost is a must. 12 of Jesus's desciples were ordained by the laying on of hands. and its brought to today
hanypants 1 year ago
@maximusjay Good and bad. stupid and dumb founded. We will all then be judged upon what we did upon this earth. if we did bad and CONTINUED TO LIVE IN SIN WE ARENT GOING BE WITH GOD AND JESUS CHRIST. he earth is our trial period. He is testing us. now if you continue to live like this and you you will find out after you die. now you tell me, am I talking about the same Christ as your Christ? because if its a different Christ then i dont know what your reading. read the bible.
hanypants 1 year ago
@hanypants
When for a second are you free from sin silly one? You are a murderer and an adulterer, a thief and a liar. At what moment are you free from sin? Only Through Faith in Christ are we free from the bondage of sin. It is Faith that is counted as righteousness that Saves us. Not any amount of Works. You tell me how you are free from sin? You are not taking about the Biblical Christ. You are speaking of the LDS christ. A false Christ. I not only read the BIble, I understand it.
maximusjay 1 year ago
@maximusjay i didnt say we were saved from sin. we all sin and we are full of sin but Jesus dying on the Cross made it possible for us to repent and to live was God again. the atonement made it possible for us to be ressurected. yes Faith is Christ is great but we gotta go beyond that. we gotta show we have faith in him, we gotta do what really followers of Christ do we gotta do so soul searching not believe everything we here and put down other churches.
hanypants 1 year ago
@hanypants
How many times do you crucify Christ? We repent when we turn toward God. That is done once just as Christ died once for our sins. After that we confess our sins to one another. To our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. Your salvation cannot be taken away from you even by God. You can turn your back on it, but you cannot lose it. If you build falsely on the foundation of Christ once saved, you will still be saved but only as one escaping through the flames. You will suffer loss.
maximusjay 1 year ago
@hanypants
1.
Show me in the Bible where the "atonement" made it possible for us to be resurrected. You do not understand what happened in the Garden. Christ had to fulfill the law perfectly. First the sins of men had to be placed on the head of the lamb. Then the alter had to be sprinkled with its blood before the sacrifice, in order to purify the alter. Christ's shedding of blood in the Garden was not for our sins but to purify the Alter. Continued
maximusjay 1 year ago
@hanypants
2.
Google Solomon's Temple for me. You will see that every sacrifice that was pleasing to God since the sure mercies of David were made on the Cross. The alter that was sanctified was the Cross of Christ, the key of David. The Cross of Christ has always been the Key to the Kingdom of Heaven. When Christ said He would give the "Keys" to the Kingdom of Heaven to the Apostles, He was speaking of the Cross and the Faithful. Does the Cross not look like a key to you? Where is yours?
maximusjay 1 year ago
@maximusjay if one of your best friends got shot and to remember him would you wear a bullet around your neck to remember him? or would do do something else more uplifting? doesnt a bullet symbolize death? We dont wear a cross because we want to remember his resurrection. Dont get me wrong, we dont want to push away his death because that made it possible for us to evan be resurrected. we have stuff like CTR Choose The Right. Following jesus and such. The same Jesus you talk about FYI.
hanypants 1 year ago
@hanypants
If Jesus was the friend and He told me to take up my bullet and follow Him, that they bullet was my key into Heaven, then yes I would wear it around my neck. Show me in the Bible where Christ's death on the Cross gave us resurrection. Everyone is resurrected, that is not Saved. You will be resurrected even if you do not Believe in or follow Christ. Salvation is Living with God and it requires True Faith in Jesus Christ that the Works that He did for us on the Cross are enough.
maximusjay 1 year ago
@maximusjay Christ suffered for all out sins. Christ felt all our sads and sorrows. You didnt feel happy? Christ felt that? whatever you didnt feel happy about he felt it. EVERYTHING. Blood pored through every pore of his body. none of of can Fully understand what he did for u. He didnt have to do that. He had the power to " say no Im done" and he could have walked off that cross. He didnt, he did that for us. when he was ressurected that also makes it so we will be as well at the last day.
hanypants 1 year ago
@hanypants
You are not reading what I wrote. The blood that dripped from His pores sanctified the Earth in preparation for the Sacrifice of God's Lamb. You however believe that what Christ did on the Cross is not enough. That the blood he shed on the Cross for you has limits. In this way you have rejected Christ. You need nothing more than True Faith in Christ to be Saved (Exalted). You do not need a "prophet" who claims to speak for God but is a Liar, and you do not need any Temple works.
maximusjay 1 year ago
@hanypants
1.
Galatians 1:6, "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel."
Galatians 1:8,9, which says, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." continued:
maximusjay 1 year ago
@hanypants
2.
Gal. 3:10 "ALL who RELY on OBSERVING THE LAW ARE UNDER A CURSE, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."
I pray the Spirit of Blindness may be lifted from you and that you will understand what I am about to show you:
Gal. "He who through faith is righteous shall live"; (Righteousness comes only from Belief in Christ) but THE LAW DOES NOT REST ON FAITH, for "He who does them shall live by them." (The Curse)
maximusjay 1 year ago
3.
The Law does not rest on Faith. That means that if you are found under the curse that you will have to do continual works in order to fulfill the Righteousness of the Law on your own. You will however be working yourself to death because as it is said: Matthew 5:20
"For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven"
How can your righteousness exceed those who kept the law perfectly?
maximusjay 1 year ago
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4.
Do you not understand that if you are under the Law then you are not under Grace, and if you are under Grace then you are not under the Law? You who follow the Law cannot rely on the Grace of Christ "after all you can do" because you do not belong to Christ. If you did you would have accepted His Grace and would not be working under the Law. Christ will tell you that He does not know you. Stop trying to reconcile the Bible to the false doctrines of Mormonism and you will see its Truth.
maximusjay 1 year ago
@maximusjay theres three parts to the atonement: suffering the the Garden, his death on the cross and to complete it, when he resurrected. now your say look in the bible to see where it says that by the atonement we are NOW resurrected? well you have it right. doesnt matter if we believe in Christ we all will be resurrected. Thats a free gift to all man but what happens after is what defines what we did on earth. Bin laden isnt going to be in the same place as us. to bad for him.
hanypants 1 year ago
@maximusjay Im getting to your question but i also wanted to say the the atonemt made it possible for children to be inocent untill a certain age. once they are born there not born in sin and dont need to be baptized right away ( catholics believe that ) we believe at the age of * they are then at that age where they know right and wrong then they need to be baptized. if you die at the age of 5 your not going to go to outer darkness because you sinned and didnt get baptized. ( baptism is a gate)
hanypants 1 year ago
No one is Baptized without understanding the Word of God & without True Faith in Him, whether 5 or 105. Baptism is not a simple dunk in the water unless you do not understand it. The h20 is a ritual washing (dying and being resurrected into Christ as well as the washing to receive the Royal Priesthood. The anointing of the Priesthood comes through the receiving of the Holy Ghost which comes with or without the laying on of hands and before or after water baptism and only after prayer.
maximusjay 1 year ago
@maximusjay True belivers in Jesus Christ hold the priesthood.
savedbygrace1972 1 year ago
@savedbygrace1972
Yes all True Believers in Jesus Christ, both men and women hold the Royal Priesthood of Christ.
maximusjay 1 year ago
@maximusjay Amen
.But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 1 Peter 2;9
savedbygrace1972 1 year ago
@savedbygrace1972 It's too bad that since they've all been dead for somewhere near 2,00 years, you're left out in the cold.
Sorry.
moparmonster1965 6 months ago in playlist Mormonism
@maximusjay all of us are in a sense "saved" we are free from the everlasting death. all of us will be ressurected but theres another part. we are Judged and God and Jesus will be the judge of that. Thats the free gift to us. that alone is great! we dont die and be stuck in outer darkness, But "outer darkness " is away from God and if some people keep living the way they are with no faith if Christ and doing nothing to prepare them selves and they know the truth and rejecting. " outer darkness "
hanypants 1 year ago
@hanypants
Show me in the Bible where we are "free from everlasting death". As far as Faith in Christ, what Faith are you showing in Christ by believing that Christ cannot save you without the teachings of Joseph Smith and your Church? What have you gained by all of the work you have done in that Church that the church cannot take away from you at any time? Matt. 6:20 says to store your treasures in Heaven where no one can steal them from you. You are storing your treasures in a thief's barn.
maximusjay 1 year ago
@hanypants
Your Church can take away your Baptism and everything that you did that is considered by you to be a Good Work. However you have been working yourself to death my friend. Nothing that can be taken from you can be considered a Good Work. As to that Baptism. It is not a Baptism into Christ, but you have been baptized into a trinity. You had to believe in Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon, current Prophet and that the Church is the only true Church. That is crazy man!
maximusjay 1 year ago
@maximusjay what is a prophet? They are men called of God just like in the bible that recieve revalation from Gods. Prophets are Gods servents. Thats the only way we can recieve guadance on what to do. Why do you think God has stopped calling them? he hasnt, Joseph smith was called by God to give us his word and weve have prophets ever since. tell me why you disagree with this. Book of Mormon was translated by a prohpet who was written by prophets. why disagree?
hanypants 1 year ago
@hanypants
They receive revelation from Gods???!!! There is only one God. Do you not understand about the Gifts of the Spirit? 1 Corinthians 12:4-7, 11. The Gifts of the Spirit along with it the Gift of Prophecy are not to be confused with the Office of Old Testament Prophet. John the Baptist was the last Old Testament Prophet called from among mortal men. Christ as is explained in Hebrews is the everlasting Prophet who speaks for God the Father. So yes, God stopped calling new Prophets.
maximusjay 1 year ago
Why is it that when Ex-Mormons talk about "Being Faithful" Mormons, there always seems to be an emptiness in their words. Almost as if they are lying and you can feel that they are lying. Almost as if they are deceiving themselves into believing they had a deeper testimony of the restored Gospel than they truly did have.
greg0rius 1 year ago
@greg0rius who cares how deep their "testimony" was or wasn't? Why attack their character when you can rebut them on theological grounds? You *can* rebut them on theological grounds, can't you?
*crickets*
I didn't think so. You can't argue for the LDS church from the Bible; you've got to add a whole other book from which to argue circularly for the "restoration" of a Gospel that was uncorrupted for 1800+ years.
thekidjfh 1 year ago
@greg0rius
The only emptiness is in your heart. You do not know Christ and you can't stand anyone who does. The attacks that you present are covering the underlying fear that they are correct. You are fooling no one but yourself. Admit your doubts.
maximusjay 1 year ago
@maximusjay Amen. Any doubts a member has concerning the truthfulness of the Mormon church should be taken seriously. Serious as a second death!
GiftoAll 1 year ago
@greg0rius There always seems to be emptiness in ex mormon testimonies and words? That's because all ex mormons resent ever having a testimony of a false god and a heretical gospel. They hate talking about it.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
You guys are terrible! how can you say these lies! you were missionaries! problaby you were bad missionaries! that's why you are saying thsese things! how can you have an answer from God about the chuch and deny it!
grazielalds 1 year ago
@grazielalds You say terrible missionaries? If at any time in your life, you had doubts about the truthfullness of the lds church, your doubts would be accurate. There is overwhelming historical and theological proof the Mormon church is anti Christian. Don't be the last one in the church to locate the truth. Don't let your leaders fool you into believing that facts are anti mormon.
GiftoAll 1 year ago
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axetogrind59 1 year ago
@Godincrease you didn't quote it right either buddy, let me correct you with God's TRUE words.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." ephesians 2:8-9
junkattackyo 1 year ago
Can you lay that out for me Biblically? Where in the Bible does it say that works are necessary for salvation?
TackleboxMinistries 2 years ago 3
You are taking some great liberties of your own. Testament means Witness. A Witness of the Word of God. The Covenant is the Promise that comes through the Witness. Our only requirement is that we Believe in the Son of God. The False interpretation that you speak of is your own ignorance. Works are the Fruit of True Faith. No amount of Works can Save you. They are but filthy rags to God. You have some explaining to do.
maximusjay 2 years ago 5
He said that we are saved by Grace alone Silly Mormon. That is a True Statement. What aside from Grace are you Saved by Silly? You are not foolish enough to think that you are Saved by works are you? It is by Grace that we are Saved Through True Faith. Stop being an idiot!
maximusjay 2 years ago
@maximusjay - Dear Max, who said? It was not Jesus, it was not James his bro, Paul most certainly stated that we were saved by the grace of Jesus Christ as did the Book of Mormon prophet Nephi. Grace through the Atonement of Christ is the only way to salvation, however grace is not enough for we need to act on that grace by acting on faith and as Jesus' brother stated faith without works is dead being alone, how then can you question the needs of works? Did not Jesus teach us to follow his works
caesarmoridon 2 years ago
"Act on Faith"
The Fruit of True Faith is Good Works. However you cannot earn Grace it is a free Gift. However, if you say that you have True Faith, yet you produce no Good Works, then can the faith you claim to have save you? Why don't you tell me what you think Good Works are. Once you have done this you can be corrected and the Word of God can silence your ignorance. God Bless
maximusjay 2 years ago
"RESTORATION OF ALL THINGS BEFORE JESUS RETURNS"
ACTS.3:20-21 "And He (God the Father) shall send Jesus, which before was preached unto you...Whom the heaven must receive until the time of the 'restitution of all things' which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy Prophets since the world began"
Joseph Smith was & still is the "Prophet of the Restoration"....and God knows that because He chose him
leSavaii 2 years ago
"Joseph Smith was...the "Prophet of the Restoration"
Then he was a false "Prophet". All authority after the coming of the New Covenant was through the Gifts of the Spirit to the Faithful. Christ is the only Living Prophet, and the only Prophet of the restoration of all things you Silly Mormon.
maximusjay 2 years ago
SPINMAXTER "Christ is the only Living Prophet, and the only Prophet of the restoration of all things"
The Bible says that Jesus came to "fulfill all righteousness".what was then "taken away" from His Gospel that He came to "restore"?
God gave no Apostles to the previous Prophets, but only to His Begotten Son 'coz He was the promised & the prophesied one with all the glory, truth, power & authority of His Father, even before the world was..He never restored those but gave to His chosen Apostles
leSavaii 2 years ago
What Christ fulfilled by taking away the Law, Joseph Smith and the other blind guides restored. You are all a bunch of Silly Ones. You will all pay for what you have done. "The Bible tells me so".
maximusjay 2 years ago
SPINMAXTER "What Christ fulfilled by taking away the Law"
WHAT LAW WAS THAT?...FYI, Jesus was & still is the law..The only thing Jesus took away from this earth was the "Authority to Act" (Holy Priesthood Authority) which He personally gave His Apostles. Without it, (1)there is not Church, (2)there is no direct revelations from God, (3)men were left without guidance from God & the Church was led by unauthorized men who cared only for their own political endeavors
BTW, XMormons denied the HG.
leSavaii 2 years ago
"What law was that"
You speak hooey. The Old Law was fulfilled by Christ. By denying that you deny Christ. The New Covenant replaced the old. Don't you read the Bible? How can you speak such lies about Christ then say you follow HIm?
maximusjay 2 years ago
"The Priesthood Authority is not The Holy Ghost"
Again, stop changing the issue. Jesus gave His Apostles "Authority" before the Holy Ghost came down from heaven just as Jesus promised His Apostles. Jesus said..
"..for if I go NOT away, the Comforter will NOT come unto you, but if I depart, I will send Him unto you"
The Apostles solely relied on Jesus' directions & guidance. Jesus knew His Father will send the Holy Ghost only when He completely left this earth. The HG was to guide & direct...
leSavaii 2 years ago
"jesus gave His Apostles "Authority" before the Holy Ghost came"
Temporarily. Jesus told the Apostles to sit idol until the Holy Ghost brought them Authority to act in His name once again. It is you that can't get that through your thick skull. The reason for them to wait was the coming change in the law which you also ignore Silly Mormon.
maximusjay 2 years ago
SPINMAXTER "Jesus told the Apostles to sit idol until the Holy Ghost brought them Authority to act in His name once again"
Prove it...if you say it's somewhere in JOHN.16, then you're just trying to gamble with God's Truth & your conversion into Christianity is pride in it's best.
leSavaii 2 years ago
"Prove it:
Silly Mormon one-liner. The Apostles were to remain idle until the Holy Ghost had come upon them. Once again you take one section of the Bible and ignore all the others. The instructions given to the Apostles in John 16 were in the future, such as John 16:12-15. They go with Acts 1:4. They were instructions for after they had waited for the Holy Ghost. You are if nothing else, a Silly One.
maximusjay 2 years ago 2
JOHN.16:15 & ACTS.1:4..DOES NOT PROVE YOUR POINT.
You heard Jesus said 'the Comforter will not come' while He is still around. He(HG a member of the Godhead)will only come when He(Jesus)as part of Gods plan, is absent from this earth (JOHN.16:7)
The HG only came upon those in the room with the Apostles during the Pentecost ¬ including the 100s or even 1000s of other baptized disciples of Jesus all over the land. The Apostles had authority to give the HG to them by laying on hands(ACTS.19)
leSavaii 2 years ago
"including the 100s or even 1000s"
What hundreds or thousands or even one single individual was there that was Baptized into the body of Christ before Pentecost Silly One?
maximusjay 2 years ago 2
SPINMAX "Temporarily"?...
And so was the Holy Ghost...After the Apostles all left this life, the "Authority to Act" was taken away from this earth & the "Holy Ghost" was no longer have no one authorized & no one properly baptized to accept it...The whole Church organized by Jesus was under the control of wise men..who were/are "teaching for doctrine the commandments of men"
leSavaii 2 years ago
(3) JOHN.16:13 (The Spirit of Truth Guides on behalf of God the Father & His Son, Jesus Christ)
"Howbeit when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak; and He will shew you things to come"
leSavaii 2 years ago
"things to come"
The Holy Ghost through the Gifts of the Spirit gives revelation to the body of Christ. The Gift of Prophecy which brings us Revelation (not new scripture) comes through Faithful members of the Body of Christ who have this GIft, both men and women. What ended with the death of the Apostles was new scripture. Do you think God would have allowed them to die before finishing their task? They with Christ are the unchangeable foundation the Church is to be built upon stone by stone.
maximusjay 2 years ago
From one delusion to another. its sad.
johngeetar 2 years ago
It is biblically evidenced that...
JESUS GAVE THE PRIESTHOOD AUTHORITY ("AUTHORITY TO ACT") TO HIS APOSTLES "WAY BEFORE" THE HOLY GHOST ARRIVED
Just so you remember...The Priesthood Authority is not the Holy Ghost as you're to make it to be...these are completely two different things
leSavaii 2 years ago
"Just remember...The Priesthood Authority is not the Holy Ghost"
You Blasphemous Silly One. John 16 in Christ's own words teaches us that it is the Holy Ghost that brings Authority. The Same Authority of Christ. The Holy Spirit will seal the Faithful into Salvation until the time of Judgement. That is the Royal Priesthood of the New Covenant and not the fulfilled Levitical Priesthood that your "Church" as hijacked. Too bad the illegitimate authority they hijacked had been rendered obsolete.
maximusjay 2 years ago
SPINMAXIE "the Holy Ghost that brings Authority. The Same Authority of Christ"
Do these Christian Pastors (Benny Hinn, Ken Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Jimmy Shwagard, etc) share your personal unbiblical beliefs?...I didn't think so. God speaks only to His Prophets thru revelations..listen to the words of the Prophets who lead God's work today
leSavaii 2 years ago
"God speaks only to His Prophets thru revelations..listen to the words of the Prophets who lead God's work today "
Still stuck on the OT way of things when the veil was rent on the Cross leSavaii? Maximusjay lives only by the Bible, and God speaks to him through His Word. You however, are led by men who lie to you. Have you even bothered to look up one references he has posted? The Holy Ghost is God's communicator, which is also literally God's spirit. You are not seeing the simple truth.
serrora1 2 years ago
SERRORA "Maximusjay lives only by the Bible"
And thats the biggest problem among Christians wannabe-prophets..they worship & live by "a book"
God from the very beginning (OT) sent & talked with His Prophets, His own people rejected every single one of them...God sent His Son Jesus, again He was rejected & killed by His own.
In these latter-days Satan has become more aggressive than ever before, so before God's Son returns..God again has been sending & talking to His chosen Living Prophets
leSavaii 2 years ago
TWISTEDMAXIE "You Blasphemous Silly One"
The Pharisees even used the same words on Jesus Christ while preaching His Truth..especially when Jesus revealed Himself as "The Son of the Living God"
Again, you're trying to chop-suey up the two. (1)-The Priesthood Authority was given by Jesus, authorizing His Apostles to preach, to heal the sick, to cast out demons, etc.(2)-The Holy Ghost is one of the members of the Godhead. The promised Comforter & who will bear witness of God the Father & His Son
leSavaii 2 years ago
"Priesthood Authority"
Christ's Priesthood Authority is not the Levitical Priesthood. Faithful members of Christ belong to the Royal Priesthood. The Levitical Priesthood which served the Jews only, was an imperfect shadow of the things to come. It was a forerunner of the Royal Priesthood. The Law Changed and necessitated also a change of Priesthood. The Levitical Priesthood and Law, with all of its regulations and ordinances was nailed to the Cross.
maximusjay 2 years ago
TWISTEDMAX "The Law Changed and necessitated also a change of Priesthood"
The Law Changed?...then you agree that Jesus will remain in heaven until the "restoration of all things" (ACTS.3:20-21) is fulfilled in this last dispensation of time?
KNOW THESE MEN?
John the Baptist returned, Peter, James & John returned, Moses & Prophet Elijah returned, etc, etc..these men & others played very important roles in establishing the Kingdom of God on earth in preparations for Jesus the Christ's return
leSavaii 2 years ago
"establishing the Kingdom of God on the earth"
Why don't you show me in the Bible where the Kingdom of God has been established on the earth Silly Mormon. The Restoration of all things is related to the last stone being placed in the Church of Christ. Its completion. It is also related to the construction of the only legitimate Temple to God on the Earth. The one that will be restored with the Ark of the covenant in Jerusalem. Then Jesus will return as trumpeted by Angles.
maximusjay 2 years ago
JESUS SAID "And these things will they do (or say) unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me"
You've totally ignored, twisted & squeezed the importance of the Restoration of All Things (ACTS.3:20-21) out of context. Countless times, youve totally ignored the return of John the Baptist, Peter, James & John, Moses & Prophet Elijah, etc, etc..bent these biblical facts just to match with your man sort-out beliefs..Youve been completely fooled by the twister of all..the Devil himself
leSavaii 2 years ago
"Jesus Said"
The Bible teaches us to ignore those things which are a lie. What Smith "restored" was not "all things" but rather all which Christ had fulfilled by dying on the Cross. According to the Mormon doctrines, Christ apostatized His own Church. There are no "Biblical facts" that support your foolishness. Stop being so Silly.
maximusjay 2 years ago
"The Law Changed"
Yes the Law Changed. Perfection (Exaltation) could not be obtained through the Levitical Priesthood, so the Royal Priesthood was established which is based on Faith in Christ. The change in the Priesthood necessitated a change in the law, because it was the Old Law that had established the Priesthood. Thus the New Covenant of Grace is the New Law.
maximusjay 2 years ago
TWISTEDMAX "Christ's Priesthood Authority is not the Levitical Priesthood"
MATT.10:1 "And when He had called unto Him His twelve disciples, He (Jesus) gave them power....to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease"
*There is NO Holy Ghost there & NO mentioning of the Levitical Priesthood. Stop changing the subject.
leSavaii 2 years ago
MARK.3:14-15 "And He ordained twelve, that they should be with Him, and that He might send them forth to preach...And to have power to heal sickness, and to cast out devils"
*Again, No mentioning of the Holy Ghost nor the Levitical Priesthood that you kept raising.
Stop trying to change the subject. You have been fooled once again
leSavaii 2 years ago
MARK.6:7 "And He called unto Him the Twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits"
*Again, NO mentioning of the Holy Ghost nor the Levitical Priesthood... It seems that you are the one that make changes in the Bible.
Stop trying to change the subject
leSavaii 2 years ago
LUKE.9:1-2 "Then He called His Twelve disciples together, and gave them Power and Authority over all devils and to cure diseases...And He send them to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick"
*It is evidenced & more facts that Jesus gave His Twelve Apostles "power & authority to act" in His Name way before He sent the Holy Ghost as His replacement as one who directs & guides the Apostles as they mourned His absence.
Stop twisting & changing the subject..you've been fooled, big time!
leSavaii 2 years ago
(1) JOHN.16
Jesus know His earthly ministry will soon end &what will happen when He leaves His Apostles alone without Him directing them around. They will face persecutions, even death & they think they do it as a service to God.
Jesus knows His Apostles will be sadden of Him not being around so He tells of the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth whom He will send only 'after' He goes away "..to Him that sent me"
Jesus tells of the Holy Ghost to take His place while away & that "He shall glorify me
leSavaii 2 years ago
He leaves HIs Apostles alone without Him directing them around"
Only for 10 days. Then the Holy Ghost was sent with Authority not just for the 12 Apostles, but for every Faithful Christian to Act in the Name of Jesus Christ, to Bear Good Fruit, which is to witness of Christ and the Word and carry on the "Great Commission". How foolish and even downright stupid it would be for one to claim that Christ could not preserve His Word.
maximusjay 2 years ago
(2) JOHN.16
God the Father had it all planned out..after sending Prophets before Jesus,God decide to send His only Begotten Son..but what happened?They were all rejected & persecuted or even killed, like Jesus..so what's God next move?Send in the Holy Ghost to comfort & to direct the Apostles, bear witness of the Father & His Son in everything they ask of God in Jesus' name...
There is nothing in JOHN.16 that suggest the "Priesthood Authority" is the same as the "Holy Ghost"..Youve been fooled
leSavaii 2 years ago
"There is nothing in JOHN 16 that suggest the "Priesthood Authority is the same as the "Holy Ghost"
Show me where in the Bible where Christ reestablishes the Levitical Priesthood after He fulfills it on the Cross. Do you not see that what Joseph Smith reestablished is all that Christ had fulfilled? Do you not see that Smith in effect accuses Christ of apostatizing his own Church? When will your ignorance be silenced?
maximusjay 2 years ago
SPINMAX "All faithful Christians are witnesses to Christ through the Holy Ghost. Mormons are not among the Faithful"
Paul in Ephesus found wondering faithful Christians that never received the Holy Ghost (I guess the Holy Ghost missed them faithfuls too, huh?) ACTS.19:1-6
leSavaii 2 years ago
"Paul found faithful Christians"
You silly blind and confused Mormon. Paul found some individuals that had been led into repentance by John the Baptist, not ones that had found Jesus. Why do you twist the BIble?
maximusjay 2 years ago
BLINDMAX "led into repentance by John the Baptist not ones that had found Jesus"
"One Lord, One Faith & One Baptism"...How many Baptisms are there? You can't twist this one, huh? You claimed the Holy Ghost was pour out on all the faithfuls during the day of the Pentecost...why not these faithfuls in Ephesus?..why did the HG failed according to you?
leSavaii 2 years ago
How many Baptisms?
One Lord: Jesus
One Faith: into Jesus
One Baptism: into the Word of God.
The Apostles asked Jesus how they should baptize. He said to Baptize in the NAME of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. The NAME of all three is Christ. So we are to Baptize in the NAME of Christ. Christ is also the WORD. So to Baptize into all three is to Baptize into the WORD of God. This is why the thief on the Cross was "exalted" without being baptized by Water. He was Baptized by the Word of God.
maximusjay 2 years ago
"Why not these faithfuls in Ephesus"
I already told you. How could they have had Faith in Christ when they did not even know who Christ was? They were not the Faithful Silly Mormon. They were Baptized only into repentance. That was all John could do. How could one be Baptized into Christ before Christ fulfilled the Law Silly.
maximusjay 2 years ago
ALL 'CAUSE OF A BAPTIST MINISTER?...That was not Jesus Christ taking you out of Mormonisms, was it? It was a Baptist Minister.Didn't you know that, since the Restoration of God's Truth during the 1800s, the Baptists were the most extreme foes of the Prophet Joseph Smith, beside the Methodists? They were certainly used by Satan himself, trying to stop God's Work from spreading. They were/are behind in launching a lot of the whinings & the attacks towards the Mormons, but they keep failing
leSavaii 2 years ago
brainwashed
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
U R blinded with pride
leSavaii 2 years ago
They work for the devil huh?
Are you telling us about the temple skit or all of the lies and folklore handed down in the church?
What if someone came along, said they had the only true church and then stole the identity of your God? What if they said the Mormon god was once a salamander and started taking your members away?
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
awesome. Reminds me of Paul.
mandashouse 2 years ago
You would miss that holy Bible?
You keep comparing Joseph Smith to Moses. Moses would be pissed being compared to an adulterous liar.
There would be NO D&C or the bookamormon without the Bible. The bookofmormon has the book of Isaiah in it you silly mormon.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
AWOL "There would be NO D&C or the bookamormon without the Bible"
EXACTLY..there wouldn't be any other Churches & man-made beliefs if it wasn't with the Bible. Jesus came with one Church only, His Church..even today known as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
His Church was guided by Prophets during the OT & then He came & personally organized it before He was killed, and then re-restored it for the last time before He returns. Go figure!
leSavaii 2 years ago
Believe me when I tell you this.
"Mormons are not the church of Christ"
You have called the cross foolish and his sacrifice incomplete. All of your work is centered around completing the work that the lord failed at.
Joseph never restored anything, he invented.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
AWOL "Believe me when I tell you this.."
One Lord, One Faith & One Baptism..One Jesus, One Church & One Baptism..How many Churches do Christians have?..too many & even ignoring many of Jesus' teachings
Personally, the cross is a sign of death, a nightmare to many. You thought the cross would put a stop to Jesus. Jesus knew..if there is no Death, there would be no Resurrectiion.
leSavaii 2 years ago
1Cr 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Phl 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, [that they are] the enemies of the cross of Christ:
And you think laws and ordinances are necessary?
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
WAS PAUL CRUCIFIED & DIED FOR YOU?...Ignorant fools, Jesus was crucified & died for me..not Paul nor the Bible..so stop ignoring the teachings of Jesus Christ 'cause they are from His Father.
leSavaii 2 years ago
Are you talking about Mormon salvation? Where everyone in the world is a grave sinner because they don't belong to the church?
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
AWOL "Are you talking about Mormon salvation?"
No such thing as a "Mormon Salvation"
leSavaii 2 years ago
No such thing as "Mormon Salvation"
True, true, true! Only Christians are offered Salvation and Mormons are not Christians.
jonathandavid33 2 years ago
There are over 100 Mormon sects and they all believe Joseph Smith and the Bookofmormon.
There are hundreds of Christian sects and they all believe that Jesus is God and the cross leads to the grace of God.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
1000s of Christian sects all can be traced back to the Roman Catholic Church, and....
A few Mormon sects can be traced back to the one & only True Church, even The Church of Jesus Christ of LDS...
leSavaii 2 years ago
A few Mormon sects? Like 100 plus that believe everything in Mormon doctrine. Most of them follow the original doctrines of Joseph.
You didn't read Col. 2:14 did you?
Laws and ordinances and ceremonies were all nailed to the cross.
You have gone off the deep end. Jesus was never Satans brother.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
AWOL "Laws and ordinances and ceremonies were all nailed to the cross" (PAUL TO THE CORINTHIANS..Are you a Corinthian?)
O Paleeeze!..that's sounded so good, & would certainly bring tears to the blinds..stop "teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" And FYI, Jesus the Son of God the Eternal Father was nailed to the cross, not His Gospel. He had already given power & authority to His Apostles to continue preaching His laws, His Ordinances & His Ceremonies (JOHN.17:6-10)KJV
leSavaii 2 years ago
You read the verse and deny it? Or you don't understand it? The apostles were the foundation. You don't rip out a foundation after it's poured.
You have been led down a path of worshipping a church.
I'm trying to warn you. It is "Jesus" not Joseph that is important.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago 2
AWOL "The apostles were the foundation"
Don't you know your Bible? The Power & Authority given to the Apostles by Jesus himself died with them & then yourself proclaimed bloodsuckers came in as thieves of the night, dressed in sheep's clothing & took over without directions from God himself, but their own.
AWOL "I'm trying to warn you. It is "Jesus" not Joseph that is important"
What's important to God & His Son Jesus..is important to me. Joseph Smith was important to them. Go figure!
leSavaii 2 years ago
"The Power & Authority given to the Apostles...died with them"
You must have a different Bible then me. My Bible says that Christ told the Apostles to wait and do nothing in Jerusalem until the Authority to Act in the name of Christ came through the Holy Ghost at Pentecost. If the Authority of Christ died with the Apostles then Christ would have been a liar when He said that on the little bit of Faith of Peter He would build His Church and the Gates of Hell would not prevail against it.
jonathandavid33 2 years ago
JD "Christ told the Apostles to wait and do nothing in Jerusalem until the Authority to Act in the name of Christ came through the Holy Ghost at Pentecost"
You must be dreaming of the Priesthood Authority nitely & you how important that is to act..so you & other XMormons cooked up the HG as the authority that Jesus personally gave His Apostles way before the Pentecost huh? Sorry dude, you timing contradicts the Bible's & especially Jesus Christ's
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leSavaii 2 years ago
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JD "My Bible says that Christ told the Apostles to wait"
WAIT?...Does that mean the Apostles disobeyed Jesus when they went ahead & appointed Matthias to replace Judas..by what authority thay they were acted upon in choosing Matthias?(ACTS.1:25-26) What happened to the WAIT?
The Holy Ghost is not the Authority to Act as you've suggested. The HG is one of the Members of the Godhead. The Testifier & Who bears witness TO both God the Eternal Father & His Son/Jesus Christ.
leSavaii 2 years ago
"the Apostles disobeyed Jesus"
Yes they did. They acted without the Holy Ghost which in Acts 1 it is explained would not come until later. The Apostles acted under the Old Law which was not valid under the New Covenant. You would know this if you had the Holy Ghost, which you do not.
maximusjay 2 years ago
READ THIS CAREFULLY...Bcuz Jesus assured His Apostles of what comes after they'd received power/authority
ACT.1:8..."But ye shall receive "power" AFTER THAT the Holy Ghost is come upon you..."
The Authority to preach, to heal, to bless, to baptize & to confirm...was given to the Apostles way before the Pentecost (JOHN.15:16. MATT.9:6, 10:15. MARK.2:10, 3:15, 6:7. LUKE.5:24, 9:1)
And BTW, you've just revealed that the Bible is not translated correctly just as Prophet Joseph Smith suggested.
leSavaii 2 years ago
'READ THIS"
You silly Mormon. You tell me to read carefully your selected passages that you have not read carefully. The "Authority" in your cited passages was given to the Faithful. You cited John 15:16 You would be wise to begin at the John 15:5 where you see that in context Jesus is speaking of Faithful men, not just the Apostles. In Acts 1 in context it is telling us that the Apostles had not yet received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, which will be given to the Faithful at Pentecost.
maximusjay 2 years ago
"Bible not translated correctly"
You speak the foolishness of foolish men who have no Authority to speak on behalf of God.
maximusjay 2 years ago
"Bible not translated correctly"
You claimed the Apostles never had the Authority from Jesus Christ for them to choose Matthias as a replacement for Judas (ACTS.1:24-26)
That again proved my point..Jesus gave His Apostles Power & Authority before the Pentecost, to act. Jesus knew that He was not gonna be around physically to help & guide them, so...God the Father promised them a constant companion & a comforter, even God the Holy Ghost..figure? Read & Learn..not just read
leSavaii 2 years ago
"Jesus gave His Apostles Power & Authority before the Pentecost"
1: Power and Authority are the same thing. 2: Christ told the Apostles that they would have this when the Holy Ghost came. Until then they were told to wait. 10 days later they received the Holy Ghost & Authority to Act in the name of Christ under the New Covenant, along with all of the Faithful. You should take your own advice when it comes to "learn". You continue to Reject the Word of God. How long will he wait on you?
maximusjay 2 years ago
PRIESTHOOD AUTHORITY IS NOT THE HOLY GHOST.
1.Jesus gave His Apostles the "authority to act" as they went around preaching & hearing Jesus as He told about His Heavenly Father
2.Jesus died, His Church was still in tact..His Apostles (Peter, James & John) were in charge..they still had the "authority to act"
3.Before the Pentecost, the Apostle used the "authority to act" to choose Matthias to replace Judas
4.The Apostles (11) confirmed Matthias into the 12 (ACTS.:26) No one nor Jesus complained
leSavaii 2 years ago
Bent Twig: You speak ignorance.
1. show me what authority Jesus gave to His Apostles.
2. show me what Church you are speaking of. Christ said that "on this Rock, {I WILL} build my Church" The Church could not have been started until after the fulfillment of the Law Silly Blind Mormon. Christ had to keep the Law perfectly until all was fulfilled.
3. Matthias was chosen without the Holy Ghost. How could that be not of man SIlly. Paul refers to this.
4. Christ ignored Matthias and chose Paul.
maximusjay 2 years ago
JESUS DENIED MATTHIAS AS APOSTLES & CHOSE PAUL?
I thought the cyclone season is over & yet you twisted the Holy Bible conveniently (MATT.5:19?) to match with your own agenda. Now you gotta prove these allegations..
WHEN & WHERE IN THE HOLY BIBLE THAT JESUS DENIED MATTHIAS & CHOSE PAUL TO REPLACE JUDAS
CYCLONEMAX "on this ROCK"?
MATT.16:18 "...and upon this ROCK (referring to REVELATIONS) I will build my Church..."
*Revelations is a way of communicating between God & His chosen men
leSavaii 2 years ago
"Jesus denied Matthias"
I will be glad to answer you question when you tell me where I said that Jesus denied Matthias.
MATT 16:18 God revealed to Peter through the Holy Ghost. Faith and Revelation is the "pebble" but Jesus is the Rock upon which the Church would be built. Revelation which means the act of revealing Truth. It is not a bunch of old men making up a new gospel as they go along. Revelation is a Gift of the Spirit related to prophecy. Any Faithful Christian can have this Gift.
maximusjay 2 years ago
SPINMAX "MATT 16:18 God revealed to Peter through the Holy Ghost. Faith and Revelation is the "pebble" but Jesus is the Rock"
We know Jesus is referred to as the Rock according to several biblical writings...but in this particular incidence (MATT.16:18) Jesus is referring to His Father's "revelations" as the "rock" in which Jesus himself shall build His Church...in which also Jesus as the "Chief-Corner-Stone"
Spin all you like SPINMAXTER..you should listen to God's chosen Prophets
leSavaii 2 years ago
Jesus himself is referring to His Father's "revelations". The Church is built upon many things. revelation of who the Christ is, is but one of them. It is testimony of Christ as the Word of God upon which the Church is built. That is the Fruit of the Tree. Saying that revelation means new scripture is not supported anywhere in the Bible, especially when that "new Scripture" conflicts with the foundation of Christ's Church. That is what was taught by God's chosen Apostles.
maximusjay 2 years ago
CYCLONEMAXIE "Christ ignored Matthias and chose Paul"
I knew you were gonna cook something up..I thought Martin Luther was cool when he tried to cook up the Priesthood Authority & the Holy Ghost with the same identity..and now you Matthias, Paul & Judas..no wonder you left God's Truth.
leSavaii 2 years ago
Bent Twig: did you not say that God was unchanging? So why don't you tell me which of the Apostles was Chosen not through men or by men, but by Jesus Christ Himself. Can you list them by name?
maximusjay 2 years ago
Try & spin this one...
JESUS GAVE AUTHORITY TO ACT..NOT THE HOLY GHOST..TO HIS APOSTLES, WHICH THEY USED TO SELECT MATTHIAS TO REPLACE JUDAS WY BEFORE THE PENTECOST..IN WHICH YOU DENIED.
leSavaii 2 years ago
TWISTEDMAX The "Authority" in your cited passages (MATT.15:156) was given to the Faithful"
And who are the chosen faithfuls that Jesus is talking to?..ordaining & giving them the "Authority to Act" in His name? You've been fooled & been deceived, big time! Again, Jesus gave Power & Authority to His Apostles way before the Pentecost..
The Holy Ghost is ONE of the MEMBERS of the GODHEAD perhaps, the HG is a God & not the Priesthood Authority of God.
leSavaii 2 years ago
Bent Twig: Look up the definition of wait in english before you open you mouth. In Acts 1 is is recounted that they were told to wait, but instead they disobeyed Christ and acted without the Holy Ghost and chose Matthias. Christ later ignored their choice and chose Paul in the exact same manner that he had chosen the first 12. The Holy Ghost was poured out on the faithful you silly Mormon. All faithful Christians are witnesses to Christ through the Holy Ghost. Mormons are not among the Faithful.
maximusjay 2 years ago
TWISTEDMAX "..they disobeyed Christ and acted without the Holy Ghost" (SO NOW YOU'RE DENYING THE ACTS OF THE APOSTLES?)
Christians love to do the bendings, the twistings, & the spinnings of the Bible just to match with what they believe.
Again, Jesus gave His Apostles the "Authority to Act" (The Priesthood) long before the arrival of the Holy Ghost...but for you to say that the HG is the Priesthood of God is absurd
True, the HG was poured out on the faithful, NOT the Priesthood Authority
leSavaii 2 years ago
"Now your denying the Acts of the Apostles"
Did Peter not lie and deny Christ three times? Did not Peter rebuke Christ twice? Was not Barnabas led astray? Did Paul and the others Apostles not continue in sin? Did the Apostles not argue, fight and disagree over the subject of the Gentiles?
"Jesus gave his Apostles the Priesthood" Giving the Apostles the Priesthood before Christ died on the Cross would have been illegal under the Law. Remember Christ had to keep the law until is was fulfilled.
maximusjay 2 years ago
TWISTEDMAX "Did Peter not lie and deny Christ three times?"
He is human like you..yes Peter denied Jesus but still held on strong of his beliefs in Jesus as the Son of God..nothing like the XMormons who dined both Jesus & the Holy Ghost.
SPINMAX "Giving the Apostles the Priesthood before Christ died on the Cross would have been illegal under the Law"
WHAT LAW?.FYI, Jesus gave the law. He is the Law..why is it illegal for Him to give the Priesthood to His Apostles? U R are blind fool.
leSavaii 2 years ago
Speaking of Blind fools why don't you explain this to me: Matt 5:19 "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven" Christ said He came not to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. Even he had to live to perfectly, and that is why He died on the Cross. It is there that He fulfilled the Law. He could not give a priesthood to a New Covenant that could not be established until after His death Silly Mormon.
maximusjay 2 years ago
"came in as thieves of the night, dressed in sheep's clothing & took over"
How silly that you are when you follow a confirmed false "Prophet" who has blasphemed the Word of God and lead millions of people away from Jesus and into the arms of Satan. Did Satan not tell you in the Temple what the symbols of his priesthood were? Do you now not wear them? Did he not tell you that if you do not keep all the covenants you made there that you are his? Well have you kept all the Covenants?
jonathandavid33 2 years ago
"the Son of God the Eternal Father was nailed to the cross, not His Gospel"
You live in ignorance. The law along with all of its ordinances was nailed to the Cross, no one said the Gospel was nailed to the Cross Silly Mormon. Power and Authority was given to all who have True Faith. Not one single Faithful Mormon has this Authority. It is reserved for those that Follow the teachings of Christ and His 12 of the Lamb as recorded in the Gospels found in the BIble alone.
jonathandavid33 2 years ago
J&D "Power and Authority was given to all who have True Faith. Not one single Faithful Mormon has this Authority"
This is a tiring desperate attempt, dreamed up for Power & Authority by the Protestant Mormon Christians. Dude, FYI, you've been excommunicated both on earth & in heaven by the same Authority that you're trying to have a piece of it. Prophet Ezekiel saw you guys coming (EZEKIEL.2:26-27) & the true believers also were warned to look out for the Holy Ghost deniers..(1.PETER.5:8)
leSavaii 2 years ago
"1 PETER 5:8"
This is a warning to the Christians to look out for Silly Mormons.
maximusjay 2 years ago
Christian churches do not ignore the teachings of Christ. Where do you get this garbage, from your leaders?
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
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