Shamanism with Ruth Inge-Heinze, Ph.D. - Part 1 of 3

[BounceMC2000]

McKenna is not right,

Heinze said that the majority of shaman cultures worldwide does not use psychodelics, if you read her book, Healing in South East Asia its discribed why, because you can not trust 100% on the effect on substances, on concentration and meditative technics you can, thats the reason why voodoo, sufism, meditation, etc works without substances. Read the book and you will see the difference between des altered states of concsuissness. Peace and Love

[TDP788]

@BounceMC2000 maybe your right that the majority of shaman cultures don't use psychedelics, but their techniques may be rooted in ancient entheogenic rituals.

[BounceMC2000]

She brings it absolutely to the Point!!!! thank you for the post

[YamTwvHuab]

This is incorrect. Shamans do not need to use any drug in their shamanistic methods. I am a SE Asian and we do not use any drug in order to energize or become tranced. This is more Amazon-like and native Americans. You cannot generalize shamanism like that

[SilentBud420]

shamanism started with the use of entheogenic plants...it evolved into MANY differant things over the years

[YamTwvHuab]

I do not believe u are correct on this. Shamanism is very ancient and varies across cultures. You are making a general statement which is untrue. I believe shamanism doesn't require drugs. Doing so demeans the nature of shamanism. SOme may even say that the drug is inducing the trance, and there is no spirituality at all. Thus, the requirement for a drug takes away the essence of the practice.

[YamTwvHuab]

If shamans are chosen by birth? by spirituality? a drug is and should not be necessary...if a drug can induce spirituality.....is it the drug? or is it that the person is chosen? if anyone can experience it? are they just high on drugs? The use of a drug is demeaning to shamanism. This is my opinion.

[SilentBud420]

all i know is entheogenic plants are a main part of shamanism...if you disagree your lying to yourself and problly brainwashed by modern culture. ya you can reach the same states with repetitive drumming and chanting.. but if there a plant in the area where they are that induced spiritual expirences and trances...they will use it, they dont see it as "drugs" ...only to outsiders that cant understand the practices have negative feeling towords that type of thing

[YamTwvHuab]

Brainwashed by modern culture? I think you fail to see that shamanism isn't all exactly alike across cultures. Maybe you haven't studied it enough...maybe you've only studied it in native American tribes? or Latin American tribes? Shamanism is by definition granted through the spirits, therefore why would you need plants/drugs? You know drugs are needed because you've only studied those cultures that use it. Many others you are ignorant about. You should study more than just two or three.

[SilentBud420]

who cares anyways either way, all i care about is the ultimate truth of reality.. and how we are gonna stop violence and bring peace on earth. who cares how you cultivate ultimate peace in yourself // as long as you do it.. mabey problams in the world today,

[SilentBud420]

MAny problams *

[satinhooks]

probably not.

there are so many shamanic cultures that use entheogens, it is obvious that some cultures abandoned the tools that established the practice in the first place.

there were entheogens here long before man.

[SFwizardoakland]

thanks for the dank!

[Codackussell]

where can i find the continuation of this.

Thanks

interested party

[revdonovan]

awesome post. Thank you very much