World At War: On Our Way 6 of 6

[ghostinpft]

We are super badass

[hellraiserdarkloid]

GOD BLESS THE USA!!!.

[DrCruel]

The argument that fascism, and in particular Nazism, was a "Rightist" form of government is a Stalinist idea. Trotskyism as well was lumped with them. The basis of the argument comes from Marxist myth, in an "end times" where capitalists would hopelessly try to unite against the Marxists before being defeated.

The idea was made silly when Stalin was begging for help agains the Nazis from the free market liberal democracies, but was "re-remembered" by the Bolsheviks soon after the war ended.

[Redcarpet01]

@DrCruel I didn't ask you to expand your fraudulent opinion, it's clear enough already.

[DrCruel]

@Redcarpet01 I didn't ask to to propagate Stalinist myths. I'm simply correcting you.

That you would rather I not do so is of absolutely no interest to me. "Lump it" if you like, or not.

[DrCruel]

But really. Not a conversation at all. Just an expression of a series of facts, meant more as corrective information. I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

This is no more a "discussion" than if I was told that the world was flat, and I then explained in detail why it was nothing of the sort.

[teslagod2003]

but western propaganda made him very bad,since he's undermining their abilty to make their own money and he's not being a kiss-up or whatever the allies want him to be...

many doesnt understand the fact that stalin is much better leader than the leaders of the allies...

they were blinded by the western propaganda and false belief n hope....

[the82spartans]

The target practice on that Kraut tank... must have been that new wood penetrating round.

[alextubeta19]

great rendition of the song "Over There."

[JAGDPANTHER20]

This song is so bad my ears are bleeding.

[locheelad2]

Yalta was a disaster, Stalin played the Big Man, F.D.R. was near death, and nobody listened to Churchill, he tried to warn about what he later called "The Iron Curtain". By Yalta, Britain was the weakest of the big 3, having fought the longest and becoming the poorest.

[teslagod2003]

@locheelad2 that's because he(stalin) won the war in europe and he deserves the respect for that...

the iron curtain was made by stalin to keep those democratic nations out of western influence and control...

it's really unlikely that stalin would let them be free,if i was stalin,i should have not let them be democratic,but rather implement the communism authority in them,since the red army took it and fought for it with their blood and sacrifices....

[DrCruel]

Stalin was under the impression that Marxism was a scientifically correct ideology, that the Soviet Union would eventually triumph over the West, and that all the Bolsheviks need do is survive long enough for the capitalist West to collapse. Thus he was entirely in favor of Containment, and had his confederates in Washington promote the idea.

[teslagod2003]

@DrCruel yes that is definitely true...

stalin,though had been very brutal and cold,all he did is for the soviet union,not for himself alone,ofcourse he has some selfishness of his own,but what kind of a natinal leader doesnt have selfishness?he's actually much better than the allied leaders who just dont care if people lost their jobs or become poor,all they care is for theirselves to get rich n their "friends".stalin on the other hand,believes in equallity and for the poor people be better...

[DrCruel]

Stalin was a professional criminal. He had absolutely no respect for human life, and did what he did to the Soviet people based on a ruthlessly cynical view of human nature. It was his genius that solved the fundamental problem of how to motivate people, once the Bolsheviks had disposed of the capitalists and thus wrecked the economy. His solution was to substitute random mass killings, and the terror such tactics generated in the survivors, to motivate his workforce in lieu of pay.

[teslagod2003]

@DrCruel wow,you really believe those western propagandas,well,its your righ to chose your own belief...

i just pity your choice,tsk...

[DrCruel]

Actually I believe the Ukranians I've talked to. But you have a right to be a Holocaust denier if you like. You'll find plenty of like-minded people amongst the socialists.

[teslagod2003]

@DrCruel yeah,yeah...

i am done debating with narrow-minded guys who make their own judgment in just few propagandas....

[DrCruel]

Or amateur historians with thirty years of study to their credit, for that matter.

But like I said. Believe what you like. I'm just as happy to discard your rank opinions as you are anxious to be dismissive of the facts, no matter how blatant.

[teslagod2003]

@DrCruel and everyone in the world cries STOP!but US supports stupidly on such pathetic acts of war crime,and where was justice?where was the truth?none,why coz the world is just a toy for the most evil nation in the world!

no1 in the would do anything to protect the truth nor the justice,there may have some,but just the power that the demons hold,just too damn powerful!

[locheelad2]

@teslagod2003 The Russian Government caused their own problems. Ribbentrop- Molotov was a despicable act by "neutral Russia", it showed their lack of moral civilization. Gt. Britain and her Colonies fought for freedom and right, Russia became an ally only when Germany attacked, your dead were made up of frozen starving cannon-fodder. Your lack of a decent Government, and having a cruel Dictator hurt your own people, 20 million of them.

[teslagod2003]

@locheelad2 "moral civilization"?freedom?what would you do with freedom if you were just being manipulated and played around by your own government?russia dont care nor had any interest in other nations,it only care for its own security and welfare of its people.why the heck would join the allies,when the allies had been criticizing the soviets and communism as well as making and spreading bad propaganda against the soviets and communism.

[teslagod2003]

@locheelad2 oh,yeah right,stalin is evil,cruel,demonic,insane,mons­ter and very bad guy...

tsk,tsk,tsk...i pity your belief in those stupid and pathetic western propaganda!believe what you want,but stalin is stalin!

[DrCruel]

Stalin was indeed cruel, and something of a sociopath. He wasn't insane, but he was extremely self-centered and petty - not that this distinguished him much from his Bolshevik comrades. He also had a knack, like any good mafioso, for surrounding himself with dim-witted sycophants that were totally dependant on hsi support. He tended to murder people who were smarter or more popular than he (Kirov, Trotsky, etc).

[teslagod2003]

@DrCruel yeah right,stalin is evil and demonic like that...

and george w. bush is and angel sent by god to spread peace and love...

we all know,history is written by winners,and right,it was the west and the most angelic people of god who writes history...

and for that fact,its your manmade fact you believe,so blieve it till your death.

[DrCruel]

Stalin was a monstrous tyrant, a mass murderer without parallel. Saddam Hussen emulated Stalin and was thus his socialist dictatorship was beloved by the Left (I remember being told by bald-faced ISO liars about his "commitment to literacy and women's rights"). George Bush was entirely correct to depose this monster, and was no more at fault for doing so than was FDR for deposing the past allies of the Bolsheviks, namely the Nazis.

[teslagod2003]

@DrCruel well,what about north korea or other countries under dictatorship?tsk...

you're making me miss stalin more,and wish stalin would once again return,tsk...

all you're comments were all in the ideas and works of the western propagandas,tsk...

i cant believe that many people such as you cant see our well doomed well ruined world today,tsk...

[DrCruel]

I would be entirely happy with deposing Kim Jong-Il and trying him in an international court for crimes against humanity and mass murder. Indeed, most any Marxist leader would fall under this category.

[teslagod2003]

@DrCruel only after death you will know what is the truth,as long as so many liars,corrupts,criminals,manip­ulators,decievers,selfish and profiteers lives,the truth would never be known.

30 yrs and all you know is one sided beliefs and facts,well,thats your facts...

and there were no true facts about a stupid nation who has to attack iraq.

[teslagod2003]

@DrCruel now who are the sociopatic criminals and has no true facts but the facts of 1 side,a very selfish facts...

you would propably say napoleon is terror in history and and destroyer of peace and liberty...

tsk...

your believe is just such a wonderful belief for someone who studied history for 30 yrs,only to study 1 side...

[teslagod2003]

@DrCruel and that is the side of HATE and blasphemy!

[locheelad2]

@teslagod2003 You said it, I agree. One Question, why are the peoples who are now out of U.S.S.R., happy??? They are happy to have their own Free Countries, where they can pick who leads them, it's called Democracy, to have Slovakian or Lithuanian or Croatian Football Teams. Your common sence is sincerely deminished, best think again on who's been "brainwashed". Fuck-off o.k., wasted enough time on you laddie.

[teslagod2003]

@locheelad2 LOL,happy to vote on the leader they want?when all the leader do is lie to them and and empty promises.manipulate them so they got elected,when they are elected,they are forgotten by their leader.

oh,so they are happry to be unemployed,happy to be hungry,happy to be corrupted,happy to have tons of poverty,happy that they accepted every lies,deception and deceit?tsk,tsk,tsk...

[DrCruel]

The Ukranians would be happier if old KGB Marxist fascists wouldn't poison their presidents and threaten to invade their nation. The other Eastern European nations, mired in poverty, curse the Marxist leadership that put them in such a miserable situation. East Germany is in a particularly nasty mess, one that will take West German capitalists decades to clean up.

Shame on you, for trying to defend such monstrous outrages against humanity.

[teslagod2003]

@DrCruel like that democratic life is better,well it was better for those wanted all riches and who wanna think of theirselves before others,specially the poor...

and stalin is only leveling up the poor and the rich...

as well protecting his own beloved nation from the most evil men in the world...

the security of the soviet union was stalin's top priority while the other people's priority is to make theirselves rich,at everyway possible...

[DrCruel]

Actually no, free markets have allowed one part of the world to develop markedly, whil e Marxist theory has led to enslavement and material misery.

Stalin starved and murdered farmers based on ethnic hatred and a ridiculous ideological system. As a result, the people who depended on their agricultural output also starved and died. Stalin's top priority was the safety and security of Stalin, not the Soviet or even the Russian people - in thsi respect, being a traditional Marxist hypocrite.

[teslagod2003]

@DrCruel bush has 3 intention,kill saddam and make himself very very rich,while dragging everyone down(exept for his "friends"),tsk...

shame on you for trying to defend such an outrageous evil example of leadership...

a leader who does nothing but lie,and make empty promises,tsk...

decades?when did east germany and west germany reunited?1990,20 yrs and it's already decades,LOL...

i guess when there's 2 men,you'll say alot of men,tsk...

[teslagod2003]

@DrCruel bush was right?ROFLMFAO...

so funny,coz those iraqis who did supported the allies at the 1st persian gulf war,suddenly supported saddam then fought and died for saddam,how right was that of bush to ruin their peaceful life...

bush is insane,making false accusations just to make money and kill his hated man...

wait,that's a nice idea,when i become a national leader,i'll make sure the west would burn in hell!!!

[teslagod2003]

@DrCruel my reason would be because the west were the murderers and userpers of their colonies as well as their ensalvery of many people,americans murdering tons of american indians,the brits for killing many scots,the french for their tyranny in indochina,the germans for hitler's insanity,spain for their slavery,italy for the tyranny of the roman emperors,etc....

[DrCruel]

Vietnamese communsits are at present the tyrants of Indochina, since 1998 being allied witht the Khmer Rouge. The colonies of the Soviet Union in Eastern Europe are a ruin, and Tibet is still brutalized. Hitler was a socialist. As for the Scots, they gave as good as they got, and eventually ended up in charge of Britain under the Stuarts.

I suggest your reason is rather due to your ideological fanaticism.

[Redcarpet01]

@DrCruel "your ideological fanaticism" If anyone's expressed any it's to claim Hitler was anything other than a Fascist.

[DrCruel]

@Redcarpet01 As I recollect, Hitler called himself a National Socialist. This would subsume that he considered himself both a nationalist and a socialist. At the same time even.

I also think he was aware of himself being a member of sets other than "fascist". For example, "men with small moustaches". He was emphatically not a capitalist, however - at least according to his own opinions on the matter. In fact, the major Nazi complaint against the Jews was that they were capitalists.

[Redcarpet01]

@DrCruel You're dancing around words. It's not like he believed in a worker's state. He hated Marxism and socialism, everybody knows that.

[DrCruel]

@Redcarpet01 I am not playing semantic games. Hitler was more authentically socialist than the Bolsheviks. He certainly believed in a "workers' state" (albeit an exclusive German workers' state). He certainly hated the Bolsheviks, but as I recollect Trotsky took exceptions withthe Bolsheviks as well. No one outside of George Galloways Stalinist crew would be calling Trotskyites "Rightists".

Indeed, this hypocrisy about socialism is one big reason why I rate Marxists a step or two below Nazis.

[Redcarpet01]

@DrCruel Lol, if Hitler believed in a 'workers state' why didn't the workers run it? Why impose dictatorship and run German workers at the point of a gun, wipe out most trade unions, maintain most private ownership and foam about a Communist conspiracy 24/7? And George Galloway is not a Stalinist.

[DrCruel]

@Redcarpet01 For the same reasons that every Marxist state was run by a despot - because Left-wing socialists are elitists and hypocrites. But unlike in Bolshevik Russia, German workers scored real gains in the national socialist state - one big reason why so many German workers enthusiastically supported the Nazis in the early years of their reign.

Bolsheviks wiped out rival Leftist groups, and stomped out independant workers' unions and Leftist groups. And Galloway is a damn Stalinist.

[DrCruel]

@Redcarpet01 Hitler most certainly went on about the Bolsheviks - and with good reason. The Bolsheviks had tried to "liberate" Germany in 1920, were stopped from doing so in Poland, and were not quiet about intending to try again in the near future. One of the big fights between Stalin and Trotsky was when to do it - Trotsky wanted to make another go in the late 1930s, while Stalin claimed they weren't ready. Thus also the purges - to get rid of aggressive Trotskyite officers in the Red Army.

[DrCruel]

@Redcarpet01 The Nazis and the Bolsheviks had very similar intentions for Europe too - so much so, that the otherwise puzzling two year aliance between the two factions makes a great deal of sense in hindsight. Both were despotic Leftist states that willfully intended to enslave the people of their respective economies - bosses and workers alike - and in so doing enrich the members of theri respective Party apparatii. The same ugly business is going on in the PRC today.

[Redcarpet01]

@DrCruel Not talking about foreign policy, lol. If you want a discussion next time stick to the topic.

[DrCruel]

@Redcarpet01 I'm not trying to have a discussion. I am taking offense at the idea, perpetuated by Marxists, that the victory of the Russian people over one kind of Left fascism somehow vindicates another kind of Left fascism. This isn't the case.

Bolsheviks and Nazis were birds of a feather. The Great Patriotic War was between two socialist factions fighting over who would get to ultimately conquer Europe. We owe a debt of gratitude to the Russian people, but absolutely nothing to the Left.

[Redcarpet01]

@DrCruel "The Great Patriotic War was between two socialist factions"

Lol, only some right-wing people say that; and they can't get that interpretation inserted into history because it's rubbish.

[DrCruel]

@Redcarpet01 In the sense that "Right-wing" means anyone who dissents from the mainstream Leftist line. In fact, I remember tutoring one of my young cousins from an approved world history textbook, that had a great deal to say by way of comparing Japanese internment camps to teh Nazi death camps, but entirely omitted any reference to the Russo-German Non-Aggression Pact. Even the map of 1940 Europe was "fixed" to show Germany controlling all of Poland and the Baltic States.

[Redcarpet01]

@DrCruel Fact is Fascism is the Far-Right. Don't like it? LUMP IT; it's not up to you what comes under what category.

[DrCruel]

@Redcarpet01 Actually, no. Fascism, as such, varies in how religion, socialism and traditional national culture were valued. Iberian fascist forms, for example, were classically Rightist (ie, pro-monarchist). Italian fascism had anarchist roots. Nazism was decidedly socialist and Leftist, being in many ways more authentically socialist than Bolshevism. Indeed Nazism was particularly true to Marx's linkage between capitalism and Judaism - something that Stalinists also found quite agreeable.

[DrCruel]

Most modern scholarship, however, dismisses Marxian interpretations of history. Thus, especially after 1989, it is becoming increasingly hard to enforce the Bolshevik idea that Nazism was a symptom of the "last gasp" of capitalism, rather than (as is rather obvious from the evidence) the rise of a Leftist, socialist faction trying to devise a workable merger of Marx's anti-Semitic class hatred with the more autocratic Bolshevik inventions for improved repression.

[teslagod2003]

@locheelad2 i'm just surprised that stalin would not turn those nations into the soviets,i guess their lucky that stalin is being nice and friendly with the allies.correct me if i was wrong,the allies would want those country be democratic,coz its much easier to manipulate and make more money for theirselves.the allies had been using stalin eversince the start of the alliance,and stalin should just play along?he and the red army fought the hardest and had more sacrifices than any other nations

[DrCruel]

Stalin's "coming to grips" with Hitler and the Nazis included allying himself to the man - and even supplying him with supplies and resources, all for a share of the loot in Eastern Europe, and with the hope for a ruinous war in France and Britain.

But that naturally follows, of course. Stalin, like all senior Party Marxists, was a complete and utter self-serving prick.

[Lachausis]

Right on

[teslagod2003]

@DrCruel lol...

and the allies dont want stalin dead?or the soviets fall,they hated commuinism theirselves...

stalin didnt just served himself,all stalin made to russia was to prpare them for the war he knew would come,and he just purged those who are unloyal to him n the soviet union,as well as those very selfish arse,the west just made them all a bad propaganda,stalin's intent is to keep the soviet union intact and united,freely off the western control and influence...

[teslagod2003]

@DrCruel stalin just bought the red army the time they need,the red army was under reformation during the nazi-soviet pact,stalin did his very best to make a bluff and make hitler believe that the red army is at its full power and full strength,even though it is not,he supplied hitler to make him believe that he's being friendly to him,though he's already reforming the red army and making preparations to attack the nazis...

[teslagod2003]

@DrCruel in truth,if hitler didnt attacked 1st,stalin would,when the red army has completed its reformation,and thus giving stalin no reason to ally with britain and its allies...

he could'ved conquered the entire europe,but the nazi attack somehow changed him and eased him up,he cant attack the allies after the ww2,he learned the power of defense,or in the name of self-defense...

[DrCruel]

To be fair, Stalin was something of a moderate amongst the Bolsheviks - the conflict between Trotsky and Stalin, for example, had much to do with Trotsky's desire to "liberate" Europe in the 1930s, Stalin's terror that such a war would be as much of a disaster as Trotsky's earlier attempt in 1920, and eventaully Stalin's disposal of Trttskyite loyalists in the Red Army during the late 1930s (and the murder of Trotsky himself in 1940).

[teslagod2003]

@DrCruel i agree,thats definitely true...

[mc0558]

One thing is certainly true--Britain's leaders at the start of World War II were determined to win the war . . . somehow. . . without the terrific sacrifices of World War I. Bombings of Germany, blockade, bring the Americans in, ally with the Russians, anything, but no more battles of the Somme and Passchendaeles. And I think in the end this weakened Churchill's standing with Stalin and Roosevelt. In fact, Stalin once accoused Churchill of being afraid of coming to grips with the enemyl

[the2ofme]

Churchill had memories of "the sacrifice of a British Generation" at the Somme and Passchendale..interesting though..Passchendale was the loss of a "Canadian Generation"..with all due respect to our commonwealth heritage..I'm long tired of seeing the Brits get credit for Canadian sacrifices..we had our own identity and history even then..it's gone on far too long and as in other areas of history..it's time to set the record straight..

[crazymrlee]

true that

[randy95023]

the2ofme- Thanks for reminding people of the Canadian sacrifices!! Even though I'm American I've always marvelled at the casualties of a country with such a small population. You guys (and the Aussies) never get the credit due. Thanks to all Canadians who fought for freedom and liberty!!

[xekul]

@randy95023 Don't forget the New Zealanders

[randy95023]

@xekul - Thanks to our New Zealand Allies!! Actually, per capita, NZ contributed more than a lot of our allies. Congrats & Thanks!

[peanut2587]

The Canadians who fought in WW1 did it for the King and the British Empire. Not for Canada. It was the capture of the Vimy ridge in WW1 that created a canadian military identity. But, i agree with you that Canadians don't get the credit they deserve. But more so in WW2

[ecksile]

They were World Wars, do you want them to be called World War 1 featuring Canada, would that make you feel better. Fuck you for assuming Canada did anything more special than any other Commonwealth country. Australia lost 1.4% of its population, NZ lost 1.64% in the Great War. Wow its great you can read a Canadian history book, now try learn about the rest of the world you ignorant fuck!

[mc0558]

I know exactly what you mean, but those days are over.

[1958justiceforall]

It was a sacrifice of both nations youth, though the majority of the causilties at Passendale were British it had more of an impact on Canada given it's small population

[JasperLee23]

@the2ofme I think when he said "British" I think he ment ALL of the Empire. In WW1 South African troops fought in the Africa, Middle East and Europe, most famously at Delville Wood. We were always reconised as "British", although like Canada we were a dominion of the Empire. History knows who fought these battles and I think you are wrong when you say we have to set the record straight. "British" tag was used, perhaps to mean every nation of the Empire. Lets face it there were many! Cheers.

[TheBelovedButterfly]

@the2ofme I agree with you absolutely. WW2 left some enduring "hollywood" fantasies: that the French were all cowards, that nothing happened until the Americans came in, and that Britain "stood alone". We stood - with Canadians, Aussies, New Zealanders, South Africans and Indians. At the time, these were all thought of as "commonwealth" and therefore "British", (and Britain grieved them as such) but with modern-day understanding, it comes across as an insult.

[TheBelovedButterfly]

Canadians also liberated Holland and large parts of France after D-Day (if a Canuck wants free drinks all evening, go to a Dutch bar wearing a Maple leaf) and fought on all fronts from the first week of WW2; Aussies, New Zealanders and Indians bore the brunt of the war in the Pacific for years before the Americans became involved. We couldn't have survived without you - it's simple. So, a big "thank you" and apologies that your part has been played down so often.

[rseferino]

Thank you, genius.

[tripper85]

its not his fault that hes not 80

[rseferino]

Excellent documentary.

What is the name of the song at 1:04?

[klayed]

"Over There" (George M. Cohan

[rseferino]

Thank