@Godzilla473 As I have posted before. Look at the video. The nob on the first line falls on the ice at 33 seconds in... they get the 1st line in the building and first water on the fire at 1minuet 50 seconds. See the steam and stream shoot out of the back of the roof. All hard surfaces were covered with black ice. So slow and steady won the race.
i am trying to figure out why command would think that this would be a fire that you would need to use the master stream from the ladder on. now i was not there and i didnt see everything going on, but from the view of the camera it looked like it was above the garage and vented through the roof and it did not advance past that. but like i said i wasnt there so i dont know. good job to all it looked like a good stop to me
Quick question, why was the attack initiated from the front door? Next time try actually aiming for the seat of the fire with the stream. Open that garage since there was no smoke, pull ceiling, spray water and go home in 30 minutes.
i agree. they should've hit it from the garage door but taken a second line through the house to the inside door to the garage so they could help with extension into house.
It was from my camera I had with me as I drove. I had it mounted to a map book holder. The holder has since left the rig for a computer and the rigging would not meet the new strap it down rules that are coming out so I dont have it taping as I drive anymore.
@SCFD811 He didn't throw the mike . . . he is just a clumsy bast... and missed the clip on the celing. Why is the clip on the celing??? because thay look 'cool' there?
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Both engines arrived almost simultaneously. The 1st had a crew of 3 and the 2nd, had 4. First water was on the fire within 1:20 of arrival. Not the fastest but safe. It is hard to see but there is a clue, the ground is covered in snow and the pavement is very black (hint) All of the hard surfaces (roadway and sidewalk) were covered in black ice. NO RUNNING!! The second line was being stretched within 1:40. 1st water on the fire was not from the outside but inside so it is hard to see.
Also, the fire was seated in an over stuffed limited access roof structure not made for storage BUT used as a storage area. A problem we should all be aware of. Many truss structures made to hold up a roof and ceiling are also being used, improperly, as a storage area. Do you remember the brothers in Hackensack, New Jersey?
Once again, it may not be the fastest but it was safe, the house was saved and all the brothers went home.
I'm wondering, if there is a fire on the roof like in this fire, does the snow help in slowing the fire? I figure it would because the snow would melt from the fire and soak into the wood therefor making it harder to ignite or for the fire to spread. But i'll let a professional answer this.
The fire was not on the roof but rather inside the roof structure. Underneath the weather tight protection so melting snow, just like in the spring, will not put water to the fire and extinguish it.
dammit thats how a fire scene is suppose 2 run nice radio communication love it i like how u guys run its crazy here ppl are over steppin each other u got rookies on the radio not knowin wat 2 do nice job guys
my department only uses the master stream for large fires like a junkyard, or if a rail car is engulfed.. not for that a duce and a half could take care of that
um, do your engines have tank water???? if so, why wasnt a crosslay pulled upon arrival by first due....probably would have taken minutes to extingush. i saw a line at 1:45...comon....a fire doubles every minute.....nothing for almost 2.....saw water about 2:02.....and also, truck company???? know it was a garage fire but the truck gets the front of a building, pumper should stop short or pull past depending a direction of other arriving units...paid or vol dept???
If you look at the end of this video (6:30) the truck is not yet on scene, but it was almost there. It pulls in a few seconds later. Could the engine have been placed better for the truck? Maybe, (probably yes but they placed the engine so the deck gun would have a straight shot at the fire if it went defensive) but that is one of the reasons I posted the video. An opportunity for discussion, if you see something, comment, maybe we had a reason you didnt think of or maybe you have a better way.
As for the department The Alpha Fire CO., State College, PA has 3 stations, 5 engines 2 trucks, 1 H. rescue 2 tankers + (total fleet 15) 110 volunteers protecting about 100 sq. miles and 80,000 to 100,000 people when Penn State is in session.
On this scene we placed 3 engines, 1 truck, the heavy rescue and 3 support vehicles. Mutual aid consisted of 2 engines and a rescue. I am not sure if a second truck was called to the scene or not.
Over and over and over in these videos you see the same mistakes being made.
The fire engine in attendance wasted time unravelling the long hose lengths stored on machines. 2 mins 40 seconds before a jet started. The guys from the second machine took nothing with them as they approached the fire, no hose line appeared from that machine during the video. At 4 minutes it could be seen that somebody was still trying to untangle the snakes mess of hose line from the 1st machine.
Man,I'm soooo glad I don't live in your town.If these guys moved any slower the whole block would burn down.This owner is prolly thinking of calling mutual aid.
For those saying the crews were not moving fast enough, the knob of the 1st line falls on the ice as he walks to the building. It is hard to see because of the window but it is there.
@firebeecher but it took 7 minutes to get the water on and put it out. thats shockingly slow. in uk ther at the house, got the equipment out n water on in 7 minutes, probly a lil bit quicker. why couldnt you have just put water on the roof when you got there? try contain it a little bit more
@BenEyah . Look at the video. The nob on the first line falls on the ice at 33 seconds in... they get the 1st line in the building and first water on the fire at 1minuet 50 seconds, not 7 minutes . See the steam and stream shoot out of the back of the roof. All hard surfaces were covered with black ice. So slow and steady won the race.
The is a time and place for a blitz attact i agree but from what i see here you guys did a fantastic job. Nice save a blitz would have burned the entire house down.
Fire blowing out the roof, yet no fire or smoke coming from the end vent. That tells me that it is contained inside some sort of compartment in the garage. Also, the only smoke I see coming from the house is exterior smoke rolling along the bottom of the roof. If the garage contents itself were burning, I'd open the deck gun on it to darken it down a little.
@joshharmony Sorry I didn't get back to you... all firefighter have the dear brown PBI and now switching to G-teck gear. Officers have white coat for chief and red coat for safety officers. We do bulk orders of gear 2 to 4 times a year and do our best to keep to the most recent and best stuff... that does mean that this year's order may be a little different than gear someone else has had for 3 or 4 years.
Not to criticize, but why didn't a few aggressive guys guy in there and pull the ceiling of the garage. Even if they opened up just a 4x4 area, if the nozzleman stood on top of the car in the garage and whipped the line around, he could knock down alot of fire. Then again, I dont even know if they're inside the garage or set up outside. Good idea setting up a camera in the rig though, good way to critique things.
The fire was in the roof space above the garage ceiling. The only access to it for a master stream was through the self-venting roof hole. If we were to hit the fire from there with a master stream (300- 1000GPM +- ) it would have pushed the fire into the unburned residential section of the home. As it is, we save the home with only a small about of burning along the seam between the two roofs. Remember to fight the fire from the un-burned side to save the house.
beecher, I've got to agree with you. I cant believe that it didnt involve the rest of the home. Nice save. In hind sight, did you guys ever look back and consider an attack from the the inside of the home, (from the garage access door, or mud room) and push it back into the garage? Also, you can see how much the fire was fed as soon as the garage door was opened. I've seen guys do that before they even have a kine charged and completely char the entire structure. You guys did a nice job.
It is hard to see because of the radio cord, but the first in line went in the front door, just to the left of the garage door and did find a little fire and then an access to the roof structure but went they opened the access door they were confronted with a mountain of storage bins.
master stream is a bigger line to get more water on fire and is usually used in defensive attacks or protection of exposures could also be a blitz fire or a deck gun
A master stream is, according to NFPA and IFSTA, a fire stream capable of delivering a water flow of 300 gallons per minute or greater. They are usually fixed locations once established and can push the exposed fire into the building or to un exposed areas.
Man! Lots of lolly gagging and walking to the fire. GET TO IT! Why do you have to ask to go to work? get the 2nd alarm dispatched and start putting the wet stuff on the hot stuff. Good thing that aint my crew. I'd be bustin' balls!
Hi Guys, Great job you do, BUT there did not seem to be too much urgency about tackling the fire ~ keep up the good work
Godzilla473 1 year ago
@Godzilla473 As I have posted before. Look at the video. The nob on the first line falls on the ice at 33 seconds in... they get the 1st line in the building and first water on the fire at 1minuet 50 seconds. See the steam and stream shoot out of the back of the roof. All hard surfaces were covered with black ice. So slow and steady won the race.
firebeecher 1 year ago
Great job, great video!
pumpkin343 1 year ago
where you just there for talking or maybe putting the fire out?
bonzty 1 year ago
i am trying to figure out why command would think that this would be a fire that you would need to use the master stream from the ladder on. now i was not there and i didnt see everything going on, but from the view of the camera it looked like it was above the garage and vented through the roof and it did not advance past that. but like i said i wasnt there so i dont know. good job to all it looked like a good stop to me
9thru1 2 years ago
would of been nice to see a water cannon set up upon arrival and also could position yout trucks a little better
Skankpronger 2 years ago
a water cannon? on this fire? haha
VACapsfan1988 2 years ago
@VACapsfan1988 you need it look at those flames , need 2 master streams on a fire like that
Skankpronger 1 year ago
I could of takin that out with a garden hose
Ivandaruler 2 years ago
Quick question, why was the attack initiated from the front door? Next time try actually aiming for the seat of the fire with the stream. Open that garage since there was no smoke, pull ceiling, spray water and go home in 30 minutes.
Vollies.
pfr172 2 years ago
they didnt want to push the fire into the house and lose the houses. thats simple fire physics.
BakupAlarmIsPow3rcal 2 years ago
i agree. they should've hit it from the garage door but taken a second line through the house to the inside door to the garage so they could help with extension into house.
theFIREkid05 2 years ago
jeese u guys take FOREVER......but nice vidio nice work
slippies788 2 years ago 21
great job guys im actually goin to college at penn state and i was plannin on join alpha you guys do good work
watevadude77 3 years ago 4
Excellent Video Beech, thanks. Was this from your own personal camera or a rig mounted unit?
valleytenderfoot 3 years ago
It was from my camera I had with me as I drove. I had it mounted to a map book holder. The holder has since left the rig for a computer and the rigging would not meet the new strap it down rules that are coming out so I dont have it taping as I drive anymore.
firebeecher 3 years ago
geez, you dont have to throw the mic cause you didnt have a plug lol.
SCFD811 3 years ago 2
@SCFD811 He didn't throw the mike . . . he is just a clumsy bast... and missed the clip on the celing. Why is the clip on the celing??? because thay look 'cool' there?
firebeecher 1 year ago 3
Hey, just asking here....um....why didn't the first due lay in and pull a duece and a half? Keep in mind I'm just asking....
NC403Firefighter 3 years ago
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fireslash27 3 years ago
Is that the normal working speed there?
I mean the time to get water on the fire.
Great video!
Wouter112 3 years ago
Both engines arrived almost simultaneously. The 1st had a crew of 3 and the 2nd, had 4. First water was on the fire within 1:20 of arrival. Not the fastest but safe. It is hard to see but there is a clue, the ground is covered in snow and the pavement is very black (hint) All of the hard surfaces (roadway and sidewalk) were covered in black ice. NO RUNNING!! The second line was being stretched within 1:40. 1st water on the fire was not from the outside but inside so it is hard to see.
firebeecher 3 years ago
Also, the fire was seated in an over stuffed limited access roof structure not made for storage BUT used as a storage area. A problem we should all be aware of. Many truss structures made to hold up a roof and ceiling are also being used, improperly, as a storage area. Do you remember the brothers in Hackensack, New Jersey?
Once again, it may not be the fastest but it was safe, the house was saved and all the brothers went home.
Keep Safe,
James
firebeecher 3 years ago
I'm wondering, if there is a fire on the roof like in this fire, does the snow help in slowing the fire? I figure it would because the snow would melt from the fire and soak into the wood therefor making it harder to ignite or for the fire to spread. But i'll let a professional answer this.
chechnya 3 years ago
The fire was not on the roof but rather inside the roof structure. Underneath the weather tight protection so melting snow, just like in the spring, will not put water to the fire and extinguish it.
Keep Safe,
James
firebeecher 3 years ago
dammit thats how a fire scene is suppose 2 run nice radio communication love it i like how u guys run its crazy here ppl are over steppin each other u got rookies on the radio not knowin wat 2 do nice job guys
fire214 3 years ago
my department only uses the master stream for large fires like a junkyard, or if a rail car is engulfed.. not for that a duce and a half could take care of that
kostr536 3 years ago
um, do your engines have tank water???? if so, why wasnt a crosslay pulled upon arrival by first due....probably would have taken minutes to extingush. i saw a line at 1:45...comon....a fire doubles every minute.....nothing for almost 2.....saw water about 2:02.....and also, truck company???? know it was a garage fire but the truck gets the front of a building, pumper should stop short or pull past depending a direction of other arriving units...paid or vol dept???
bizzo518 3 years ago
If you look at the end of this video (6:30) the truck is not yet on scene, but it was almost there. It pulls in a few seconds later. Could the engine have been placed better for the truck? Maybe, (probably yes but they placed the engine so the deck gun would have a straight shot at the fire if it went defensive) but that is one of the reasons I posted the video. An opportunity for discussion, if you see something, comment, maybe we had a reason you didnt think of or maybe you have a better way.
firebeecher 3 years ago
Bizzo518:
As for the department The Alpha Fire CO., State College, PA has 3 stations, 5 engines 2 trucks, 1 H. rescue 2 tankers + (total fleet 15) 110 volunteers protecting about 100 sq. miles and 80,000 to 100,000 people when Penn State is in session.
On this scene we placed 3 engines, 1 truck, the heavy rescue and 3 support vehicles. Mutual aid consisted of 2 engines and a rescue. I am not sure if a second truck was called to the scene or not.
2008 = 1027 calls.
2007 = 997 +-
firebeecher 3 years ago
Over and over and over in these videos you see the same mistakes being made.
The fire engine in attendance wasted time unravelling the long hose lengths stored on machines. 2 mins 40 seconds before a jet started. The guys from the second machine took nothing with them as they approached the fire, no hose line appeared from that machine during the video. At 4 minutes it could be seen that somebody was still trying to untangle the snakes mess of hose line from the 1st machine.
Norfolkscot 3 years ago
WoW thats not smart masterstream on an attached garage. Please don't pull wat a company in nj did (Cough Cough West Windsor
Hanoverfirefighter 3 years ago
when will diyers learn that 14/2 wont run 20! lol jk
rgsgww 3 years ago
Great video i loved it!!!! How did the fire start?
Seakster123 3 years ago
Man,I'm soooo glad I don't live in your town.If these guys moved any slower the whole block would burn down.This owner is prolly thinking of calling mutual aid.
axegrinder09 3 years ago
axegrinder09
For those saying the crews were not moving fast enough, the knob of the 1st line falls on the ice as he walks to the building. It is hard to see because of the window but it is there.
If you get hurt you cant help!!!
Keep Safe,
James
P.s. we SAVED the building!
firebeecher 3 years ago
@firebeecher but it took 7 minutes to get the water on and put it out. thats shockingly slow. in uk ther at the house, got the equipment out n water on in 7 minutes, probly a lil bit quicker. why couldnt you have just put water on the roof when you got there? try contain it a little bit more
BenEyah 1 year ago
@BenEyah if you were to spray water ontop it might push the fire back down and into a different part of the house
Countryboy2206 1 year ago
@BenEyah . Look at the video. The nob on the first line falls on the ice at 33 seconds in... they get the 1st line in the building and first water on the fire at 1minuet 50 seconds, not 7 minutes . See the steam and stream shoot out of the back of the roof. All hard surfaces were covered with black ice. So slow and steady won the race.
firebeecher 1 year ago
@firebeecher i said 7 minutes to get the water on AND put it out
BenEyah 1 year ago
Nice knockdown and good communications by units.
3genff 3 years ago
The is a time and place for a blitz attact i agree but from what i see here you guys did a fantastic job. Nice save a blitz would have burned the entire house down.
dannykeri 3 years ago
go in and get it master streams are for pussiees
eng3linus 3 years ago
Fire blowing out the roof, yet no fire or smoke coming from the end vent. That tells me that it is contained inside some sort of compartment in the garage. Also, the only smoke I see coming from the house is exterior smoke rolling along the bottom of the roof. If the garage contents itself were burning, I'd open the deck gun on it to darken it down a little.
emtgregg 4 years ago
what caused the blaze?
thesoulsekr 4 years ago
00:55, no matching turnouts?
joshharmony 4 years ago
Brown PBI for all except white coat For Chiefs and Red for Safety Officers. The colors have meaning.
firebeecher 3 years ago
@joshharmony Sorry I didn't get back to you... all firefighter have the dear brown PBI and now switching to G-teck gear. Officers have white coat for chief and red coat for safety officers. We do bulk orders of gear 2 to 4 times a year and do our best to keep to the most recent and best stuff... that does mean that this year's order may be a little different than gear someone else has had for 3 or 4 years.
Keep Safe
firebeecher 1 year ago
If you hit that with a masterstream you will steam bake the crew inside.
still1700 4 years ago
Are you kidding me 514 ??? You show up at a job and just sit there !!!
Then ask Command if you can go to work???
Just go to work !!!!
After You Become commited in a Operation Then give Status of Location and Ops performed.
usardave 4 years ago
Not to criticize, but why didn't a few aggressive guys guy in there and pull the ceiling of the garage. Even if they opened up just a 4x4 area, if the nozzleman stood on top of the car in the garage and whipped the line around, he could knock down alot of fire. Then again, I dont even know if they're inside the garage or set up outside. Good idea setting up a camera in the rig though, good way to critique things.
Ten7d5 4 years ago
Why not a masterstream, it's called a blitz attack.
lt12ws 4 years ago
The fire was in the roof space above the garage ceiling. The only access to it for a master stream was through the self-venting roof hole. If we were to hit the fire from there with a master stream (300- 1000GPM +- ) it would have pushed the fire into the unburned residential section of the home. As it is, we save the home with only a small about of burning along the seam between the two roofs. Remember to fight the fire from the un-burned side to save the house.
firebeecher 4 years ago
beecher, I've got to agree with you. I cant believe that it didnt involve the rest of the home. Nice save. In hind sight, did you guys ever look back and consider an attack from the the inside of the home, (from the garage access door, or mud room) and push it back into the garage? Also, you can see how much the fire was fed as soon as the garage door was opened. I've seen guys do that before they even have a kine charged and completely char the entire structure. You guys did a nice job.
ccfd4613 3 years ago
ccfd4613:
Thanks for the comment!!!
It is hard to see because of the radio cord, but the first in line went in the front door, just to the left of the garage door and did find a little fire and then an access to the roof structure but went they opened the access door they were confronted with a mountain of storage bins.
Keep Safe,
James
firebeecher 3 years ago
Master stream! Blitz attack! are you kidding? They are trying to save the house.
175lieutennant2 3 years ago
ummm.....no, BIG FIRE=BIG WATER...wheres the big fire????? this should have been out in minutes with just a 1 3/4
bizzo518 3 years ago
Masterstream on a garage fire, are you kidding me?
epiclawn 4 years ago 2
whats a masterstream? is it like the main line
kingkong0189 4 years ago 2
master stream is a bigger line to get more water on fire and is usually used in defensive attacks or protection of exposures could also be a blitz fire or a deck gun
LeatherN6AHelmet12 4 years ago
A masterstream is from a deck gun or ladder pipe. Heavy flow of water.
t80tank20 3 years ago
masterstream is a 1 straight stream of water going to hit the fire instead of fog and all that diffrent stuff. :)
Seakster123 3 years ago
A master stream is, according to NFPA and IFSTA, a fire stream capable of delivering a water flow of 300 gallons per minute or greater. They are usually fixed locations once established and can push the exposed fire into the building or to un exposed areas.
firebeecher 3 years ago
Man! Lots of lolly gagging and walking to the fire. GET TO IT! Why do you have to ask to go to work? get the 2nd alarm dispatched and start putting the wet stuff on the hot stuff. Good thing that aint my crew. I'd be bustin' balls!
medic7852 4 years ago