@6oodfella 2. It creates a society where women are both strong AND victims at the same time. A woman can have a high paying job, a good college education, and have a good head on her shoulders. She is strong. However, if she wears a lot of makeup, very revealing clothes, gets drunk, and sleeps with her boyfriend, SHE can claim rape. She is a victim. How can I get anyone to take me seriously in this type of society, where my fellow women are TOLD it's ok to laugh at men, cry rape, etc?
@6oodfella This is one of two things really wrong with feminism. 1. It creates a society where it is fashionable for men to be viewed as monsters. This includes our sons, husbands and boyfriends. But, as they are monsters it is ok to say they have lesser emotions, more sex drive, are better suited for blue collar jobs than white collar jobs. And this is viewed as "the way things are".
@6oodfella As I am able to get a different perspective than you, I don't know if this is the case. Even when talking about a man being raped, mutilated, killed, etc the women involved in the talk aren't angry or hateful. They have been so brainwashed by current society that they still think they are "victims" laughing at a "bully" and his pain.
@thylacinegurl The reason men put up with women's shit, is because men love women, it's just unfortunate that in general, women hate men, even though we've done so much for them for so long, they still hate us. They will even laugh on national TV with no shame when an elderly man is mutilated by a woman, and they don't even see anything wrong with this.
Not all women, some like yourself are stars, but you're a rare breed.
@6oodfella The feminists of today are loose cannons, radical or not. They want to eliminate the housewife, get equal pay for unequal work, and be viewed as full adults. They do this while bashing men, calling them all abusers, claiming women are perfect, and at the same time eliminating a woman's responsibility for her own actions. Men aren't perfect but women have a longer way to go now...
@6oodfella Thank you for making a vid showing the truth about feminists. As a woman, I get a lot of flak from my female coworkers for supporting MRAs and wanting real equality.
This is utter rubbish in terms of content. Apart from "the things you'll never hear feminist say" being completely wrong, it's clear that this has been made and posted by some small minded, not very clever individual who has a gripe with women. Overly long, dull and lacking in anything that resembles humour. And no, I'm not a woman or a feminist, just a bloke who knows what quality is.
@6oodfella What? I'm predictable because I know a piece of shit masquerading as satire when I see it. Anyone with half a wit understands that you can't package up the entirety of feminism in one simple epistemology, unless of course you have simplistic, Palinic, dumbed down understanding of the world, which is clearly what you have Goodfella. If you're getting flak form co-workers, is because you're a moron, not because you understand feminism.
@pawnagain I said nothing about flak from any of my co-workers.
No matter how many insults you throw at me, they will never disguise the fact that you have not provided one single argument against anything in this video. Anyone who reads what you wrote will see that you have nothing to offer but insults, they will see that you lack the intellectual capacity to refute anything that is said in this video.
Now quick, insult me more, and prove how little intelligence you have.
@6oodfella A single argument? Too easy. Re you won't hear feminists say women should be soldiers. The following countries all allow and recruit volunteer women in active combat roles due to lobbying from feminist movements to change traditional recruitment restrictions: Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Italy, Germany, Norway, Israel, Serbia, Sweden and Switzerland.
You = moron: confirmed...*shooting ducks in barrel*.
@pawnagain What a load of horseshit, feminists have never lobbied for women to fight on the front line.
You call me a moron, because that's your only form of debate, but I notice you removed your last comment, would that be because you made a complete moron of yourself by claiming I said something and then quoting an entirely different person to prove what I said. Funny that, because that seems to me to be the actions of a moron. How ironic.
@6oodfella what is ironic is that your video is pointless, contains not a shred of proof to substantiate any of its claims, and that you only have the intellectual capacity to return my dispersions rather than come up with your own. So not only are you a moron, you're also an imbecile. There are literally hundreds of peer reviewed articles written by feminists arguing for the repeal of sex segregation in the armed forces in the West, but I guess you don't bother yourself with facts.
@6oodfella Really? That's the best you've got? Rather than argue about the facts of feminism you serve up an inane non-sequitur as the 'killer blow'? Sheesh, if this is your idea of entertainment you're more pitiful than I thought. Have another tub of ice cream and bucket of coke, give the underside of your man boobs a wipe, put on your least putrid mumu and go outside for some fresh air. The world has changed. Maybe people won't point and laugh at you anymore...maybe. Forever alone.
@ThaDopist I actually agree with this. In a case against a woman, it's better to have a female lawyer on your side, then the woman can't play the victimised card.
@theignoredgender I absolutely hate anyone who stifles freedom of expression, and I'm glad my videos piss them off so much, fuck them, they're weak.
Just yesterday someone said I should be shot for my video, he was obviously against the idea of freely expressing one's opinion.
I also got blocked on FB for ripping the piss out of one of those God awful photos about how difficult life is for mothers, the bitch blocked me, unreal, so faggoty.
@theignoredgender It was a mock dictionary definition, "Mother: one who does 20 jobs for free". I went at the uploader and said women are always complaining about how difficult motherhood is, instead of appreciating how lucky they are, and ignoring the joy that children bring. It was when I made my mock version of it that she blocked me.
You poor bitter little man. If you hate women so much, maybe it's time to come out of that closet. A 20 minute rant against women says a lot about you. It's like going to Fox News to find out what liberals think. Why bother when their bias is so obvious. I'm wondering why you are hiding behind cartoon characters.
@Sheerkat7 This is almost a record for use of shaming language, it's just a pity that you couldn't even provide one single example from the video that proves your case, but then, that would take intelligence.
If you want entertainment, Sweetheart, and I mean real entertainment, then gasp in amazement at how I predicted everything you just said in your comment, in this video I made over 2 years ago: /watch?v=hMFGba7Ckx0
I would hate to be as predictable as you, I really would.
Sorry I didn't get the record, Mr. 2". The entire video is an example. Does your Alzheimer's prevent you from remembering what you post? You are also predictable, but I thought it would take more than an hour for you to reply. You hide behind cartoon characters. If you are such a manly man why don't you show yourself? Maybe if you weren't such a whiny bitch, you wouldn't have so much trouble.
@Sheerkat7 Prove I'm predictable with, you know, an example?
You seem desperate to see what I look like, I know you're fascinated with me, but I think you want to see my handsome features so you can then attack my appearance in your sad attempts at predictable shaming language.
Imagine being able to predict what you would say over two years before you said it. So predictable.
I stumbled on your site while watching the various "shit people say" videos. Several of them are truly entertaining because they are done with humor, not hate. Hate begets hate. You have no sense of humor like most chauvinist pigs. Sorry Mommy didn't love you enough and you have to take it out on all women. Sounds like you are a fan of Sharia Law. Is that your agenda? I thought I detected an accent MOFO.
@6oodfella lol-when I went to a chatroom that had a lot of heated battles of feminists and pre-MRAs (it was a while ago) I'd send my pics...feminists were usually the most attratced to me.
@6oodfella Yeah, typical female response. Women have communal, hive minds. They will believe ANY propaganda thrown at them without logic. This video is CLEARLY challenging FEMINISTS NOT every damn woman! Just shows how femi-cunts have brainwashed women to protect them while they destroy the very lives of women. Sad, thig is most women DON'T realize this.
@TheMoonlitKnight Listen, Boy, why don't you at least mention a part of the video to prove your case? Your case being that I should be shot for having an opinion that differs from yours. Way to stand up for freedom of expression, Boy, what a bell-end.
You ought to change your name to faggoty-arse white knight, it would suit you better, Boy.
Oh, and thank you so much for letting me know you have a penis, I really appreciate that, Boy, now I can move on with my life.
Female 'soldiers' fighting on the front line! Yeah, that'll be a cold day in Hell.
Funny thing, though, the media, when they report wars, always give the impression (with deceptive comments and deceptive camera-shots) that women are actually on the front line.
6oodfella that was brilliant, I dedicate my first youtube post to compliment you on a funny, truism(?) 'sketch'.
I looked for any points missed & all I could think of was 'You never hear Feminists say Who's the Daddy? unless someone is already paying/man has walked out/etc.' (paternity fraud).
Feminism may still be popular on the Internet, but it's not as popular in real life, i.e. not very many big protests. Since most women realize feminism has failed, hopefully it will wither and die like the green movement and "troofer" movements.
lack of protests != feminism has failed. Also... the green movement hasn't died - but in times of economic recession, going green may present some risks that are currently unavoidable.
@BellHooksUrge When a movement is dead, it doesn't always mean it is dead per se, but that the public has lost the vigour. What I mean is that many have lost interest in the constant wailing of the green movement (at least some do), and as for feminism, people are beginning to realise that it is a lost cause. No need to be pessimistic about everything, you know ;)
@blacktigerpaw1 :) I agree that mainstream public, in the west, has lots its vigour, especially in suburban/middle class/white settings - this is not the case for other parts of the world, however, and that should be considered. What do you mean by "feminism is a lost cause" or that it has "failed"??
as for feminism and pessimism, "Feminist Killjoys" by Sarah Ahmed is interesting: tried to link it but youtube wont let me :(
@BellHooksUrge Feminism may have different branches, but they are all connected to the same dying tree. That said, it does not matter what viewpoint it is, it still is corrupt. Feminism is a lost cause because it is centered on superiority. It has failed since it has pushed humanity backwards; progress is limited, therefore we cannot progress as a species.
@blacktigerpaw1, please explain by what you mean corrupt. Feminism is not about superiority. And most of feminism centers actually around using the other half of the population (females) who have long been denied access to spheres such as the sciences, political realms of influence, etc. So actually, it is about progress, and ensuring that great minds that were constantly denied space are given room to grow.
@BellHooksUrge So you finally show your true colours. Female centricism, eh?
Women generally had no interest in the sciences. If they did, they were welcome to do so. As for politics, you're forgetting queens. They had the power over everything, even their husbands. Look at Catherine the Great: She slept with her soliders and then plotted to kill her husband. Innocent? Nope.
Well, females are allowed in science now, and guess what? Science is a dying subject.
@blacktigerpaw1, exactly which parts of feminist theory, or feminism do you feel blocks progress, or that it has failed? Your emotional arguments sound impassioned, but without a clear argumentation, structure, examples, and with only unbacked statements, they are less than rigorous as to a reasonable explanation of the failures of feminism
@BellHooksUrge Impassioned? Unbacked statements? Don't make me laugh! You haven't given me ANY reason as to how feminism is successful, and you go around in circles. I'm afraid arguing with you is pointless. You will give the same arguments that have been debunked again and again.
Feminism has "failed" because it failed to provide the one thing it promised: equality. Don't go talking about how unbacked my statements are when yours are fallacies based on sour logic.
@blacktigerpaw1 I gave you an article - but I'm glad you agree that men and women aren't equal even now. that is because feminism is a work in progress and hasn't yet ended. we aren't living in a post-feminist world. or a post-equality world. or a post-racial world. Feminism reaches for equality but I find it interesting that you are somehow against that happening.
Feminism has been successful in women to be recognised as persons in various nations, including Canada. Feminism's different movements have been associated with updating definition of rape in the US. Feminism promotes the message that women should have equal access to opportunities as men, and has had an impact on affirmative action, on the roles of women in, as I mentioned, politics, sports, gender theory, queer theory. :) i spelled it out for you, since you seem a bit... slow.
@blacktigerpaw1 if anything, lack of protests could imply that those protesting for what they wanted have achieved it. though I would argue that feminism has now progressed to include a number of different perspectives, all of which are branches of a tree, some of which itnersect, and others which do not - there are feminists who are anti-porn, while others are pro-porn - some who are anti-sex work, and others pro. Some who are transmisogynists, others who aren't. :)
@BellHooksUrge true feminism has many branches and a million different points of view, however this is just all the more proof that it is corrupt, what so called group of reformist can have over a million different goals and views? if that's the case it's not even a single/centralized movement anymore, it practically extends to EVERYTHING. It has NO GOAL at all it's just an abundance of misguided thoughts and beliefs bundled into an unstable holding. This is why i can NEVER take it seriously.
@THEATRYCAL, spaces of difference are integral and important to any movement - there can be value in seeing ideas, constructs, policies from a variety of perspectives. People have their individual goals for what they want to achieve out of life in general - finding a group of people with those goals is also fine. It is also fine to differ. Just because thought are different doesn't mean they are misguided. Ideas and progress depend on fluidity of thoughts, willingness to change.
@THEATRYCAL You're right - it's not a centralised/single movement - but that has no bearing on whether or not it is corrupt. You are conflating different ideas here. If you look at particular branches in feminism, you will find strong arguments for each side. It is up to you make up your mind - but feminism is certainly not 'one' thing. It is my opinion that this aspect of it strengthens it and speaks more truly to the diversity of lived experiences.
@THEATRYCAL rather than saying it has no goal, perhaps it would be easier to see it as various branches of feminism working towards different goals. Some are focused on bringing men into the dialogue, whereas others are more focused on bringing WOC into the dialogue. (Google POC and WOC for more information) Some are focused on bringing Transmisogynist issues to the forefront, while others unfortunately are transmisogynist themselves.
@6oodfella Its actually there twice I think. Lets just say the western world government isn't what it seems and plots against its people. Feminist are a mere tools for there plan but they will suffer the worst when the government turns on them and abandons them.
In a society were chaos breaks out and martial law starts feminist will be the first to perish. Let see how independent they are when the government puts the police state on their behinds.
most feminists actually do acknowledge the fact that molesting an underage boy by an older woman IS jsut as bad - in fact, it's feminists who do argue from the perspective that women can also rape, molest, etc - it is usually mainstream society that scoffs at ideas of women being capable of rape and molestation.
@6oodfella how so? I am pro-feminist and I am arguing from that perspective - most I've met also have. I don't think you calling is bs makes it so. Here is someone pro-feminist who does argue from the perspective that women can rape. Already that's one. How many have you met or been in contact with? how many forums do you attend? Why is it nonsensical to suggest this?
"ive had my say, so I'll let others have their say"
certainly, you are allowed to your opinion and your preorgatives - people interested in feminism and in the subject are aware that feminism crosses over multiple branches, and not all feminists agree on issues. Trans issues are often tricky for second wavers to come to terms with.many others still remain anti-sex work.your video is nothing new, however, and people invested in these issues have faced the same tired arguments over and over.
many pro feminist women do fight the idea that women can't be on the front lines. Just because you haven't heard them, doesn't mean they don't exist. Furthermore, the underlying sentiments behind the idea that women cannot be on the front lines are akin to the idea that women are delicate flowers and need to be protected, while men need to take the brunt - I know of no feminists who will take that route in an argument.
as to the wimbledon comment, you should read the article by Venus Williams, in 2007, when she fought for the right for equal pay pointing out that it is basically old white dudes in charge who don't want to give female athletes equal court time or equal pay.
@6oodfella she fought for both actually, but the people in charge are unwilling to grant more women court time, not because women couldn't play for longer. It has to do with funding, advertisements, and a general belief that women's tennis is not as important- It was easier to argue the monetary aspect because she was able to say "you refuse to grant us court time on the basis we can't handle it, when WE know we can handle it - but why should my victory mean less than male tennis, monetarily?"
@BellHooksUrge Out of the two things you claim she asked for, the women were ONLY granted the pay increase, not an increase in the work required to EARN that pay.....how convenient. Why am I not fucking surprised at that outcome.
they play fewer games in wimbledon BECAUSE the authorities in charge do not want women to play 5 instead of the current 3. Most professional women athletes can play the full 5. This video is chock full of inaccuracies and ignorance, but I have better things to do than point them all out. Dismaying, but unsurprising. You clearly haven't met many feminists/pro-feminist people. A shame.
@BellHooksUrge "I have better things to do than point them all out" - I might put this in a video of things feminists always say, I've heard it so many times it's laughable. "I would refute everything you say, but I can't be bothered", brilliant.
@6oodfella but we really don't have to point them out haha - we hear it all the time from a mainstream public - if you want more information, google men's right's activists, MRAs, rape culture, sex positive feminism (- learn that not all feminists are anti-porn, while some are - read sites like Jezebel, Feministing, racialicious. read eve sedwick, bell hooks, and judith butler. - We aren't here to educate you -at least, I'm not - if you care, educate yourself instead of whining. :)
@6oodfella I've given you a ton of resources in my other posts if you're actually interested in the issues and reading about the counter arguments. I certainly can't be bothered to go through them all, but if you care enough, you'll google those sites and those people on your own. all the best in your endeavors!
@Keiji555 Because the authorities don't want to have to fund more court time, rearrange schedules to accommodate more women playing time - so their easy cop-out method is to say "women can't play 5" - but this is not the case and most female athletes in the sport will tell you they won't mind playing longer at all - it's the regulatory body that refuses to as an excuse to not pay them. This is no longer the case for wimbledon and the US open - not sure about the French or hte Australian one.
any links to the "authorities" actually saying this? or are you just bullshitting. Surely there must be some sort of record somewhere. I have never heard of the women fighting for equal sets. If they did, They sure as hell didnt try half as hard as they did for the " equal pay for less work" deal they got going now.
@cellectify google the following: "Venus williams, equal pay for equal play" - also, again, jsut because YOU haven't heard about it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Clearly, this video isn't bringing up masters of general knowledge, is it?
@cellectify women have been fighting for equal sets ever since women have been fighting for tennis period. Did you know, for example, that media attention ON tennis was largely in part to Billie Jean King's stunt against Bobby Riggs? Without that stunt - and without her winning - not only would women's tennis have taken a backseat - all tennis would have - the kind of funding and media advertisement around that match exposed the game to many more viewers.
@cellectify No, just Serena's word, and I have evidence that she is a grade 'A' bullshitter, the evidence being the video on YT of her claiming an abusive fan was a possible stalker and women abuser, crying to the ref to get him removed from the crowd, the lying bint.
@cellectify there is an article written by venus williams I believe in 2007 (maybe I've got it wrong as to the year - 2006 perhaps) - but it was a fairly huge deal -simply googling "venus williams equal pay" will bring up the article and references - as to whether or not they fought hard enough - that's laughable. It should have been equal sets, equal pay from the start and it's a shame it wasn't - and it's a shame that court time for women is still much less.
@BellHooksUrge NVM some of my previous comment... money does make some sense... However, I do have a feeling I am missing a key piece of information. This is not your fault, and you are trying to bring a good argument.
Just a gut feeling thing that I can't put my finger on.
@Keiji555 because, if you read my comments you would realise, the men in authority - aka old white dudes controlling wimbledon and other opens are unwilling to give women equal pay OR equal play - read venus williams article from 2007 where she demanded it - and where she only got half the deal - aka equal play. In it, she asserts her ability to play 5 sets, and the unwillingness from those controlling the game's funding/organisation to see it done.
@BellHooksUrge *shakes his head* Wow. So it's all man's fault in other words. So can ya share the link with me? From what I understand of your post, is that she wanted equal pay, but they gave her half of the pay, since she was only gonna play 3 sets, which is about half the sets that tennis do play.
So why don't they allow it? And don't say its because the white man doesn't want to. I will know you are not legitimate if you use that excuse. I want to know why. Not retorics.
@Keiji555 not men's fault - male privilege. I would suggest you google it. They don't allow it not because they are white, and not because they are male, but because white and male privilege are realities in the world we live in, just as oppression based on gender and race is also a reality in the world we live in - there is a distinction. I am trying to bring a reasonable argument to the table, but it's hard in an environment where most of the sentiments are hostile.
@BellHooksUrge God... I'm white AND male, and i'm in the bottom middle class and I see NONE of these privileges... Wake up and look at the world as it truly is. I have seen a 12 year old boy denied protection against abuse simply on the fact that he was a boy. I don't see that happen to girls. There is no more white privlege, and male privilege. If it did exist... stop looking at the rich men to make your argument.
@Keiji555 the reason i am not posting links is because, for some reason, you tube doesn't let me :S it isn't rhetoric, but it's why I keep saying "google [insert specific topic]".
It's not a question of what white men want in terms of personal desires - it's a question of unquestioned male influence in the sports world. So, for example: funding. Will as many advertisers want to pitch in for women's sport? IS giving women more court time seen as "worthy" ? I'll continue this in the next post.
@BellHooksUrge Well, I have seen the arguement somewhere in the video comments that men's sports do take more public attention, due to it mostly being a more male dominated interest... I don't know. I couldn't care less about sports.
@Keiji555, keep in mind that women weren't even ALLOWED to play tennis (or any sport) at all until fairly recently, considering world history - and the battle hasn't ended. Please keep in mind that the battle isn't against men - it isn't men's faults - but it IS male privilege at work in these domains - an unquestioned acceptance that women's sports is less enthralling, or less 'objectively' good - all of which have been countered time and again - women have intricate game-play, passing, etc
@BellHooksUrge Male privilege is not a good argument. I do not see any form of privilege in Male needs in society. Mostly Female privilege. Therefore, it isn't worthwile argument as it is bias that determines this, so it is not valid as a logical argument.
@Keiji555 the argument made by the board of organisers for tennis was "women can't play more than 3 sets, and because they can't play more than 3 sets, they shouldn't be paid more" venus' argument was, roughly "i damn well can play 5 sets, but you lot won't let me, so why should I be cheated out of my prize money? I train as hard as the men, deal with shittier court times, shittier advertising, shittier courts in general (women 's championship get second courts while lesser men's get main court"
@Keiji555 but the simplest answer to "why won't they allow it?" is that this is the case with any question of status quo - keep in mind it wasn't long ago that people in this world thought Asians were mentally deficient - hence the term "mongolians" that black people were inferior, etc etc - these attitudes take time to change and are rarely accepted by those doing the oppressing, unknowingly or not. In that way, it was primarily black people pfighting for black rights, women fighting for women
@BellHooksUrge Okay. Yeah, historically, other groups may have been not permitted to do what they can do today (Yay for Rosa Parks), But how long will it take to accept male needs in society being ignored by feminist groups? I would also like to note that it was white males that did give all the rights to the minority groups in the end. To Women, to Blacks, etc. Remember the Railroad to Canada for the black slaves? Done by whites.
@Keiji555 - and because they are white and cis-men, they generally don't have the lived experiences of the obstacles of being a woman or being another race (nearly all races are also held in opposition to normative and positive whiteness - I am speaking of whiteness and maleness as cultures - that of an assumed normativity and positivity (that is, both maleness and whiteness are seen as positive norms) note that I'm not targeting men or white people, but male privilege and white privilege.
@BellHooksUrge How very narrowminded an argument. "Cause they are white and cis-men, they generally don't have the lived experienced of said group" That is just ignorant, and rather discriminitive of you to say such a thing. And people wonder why men of the 80s are stuck with a Peter Pan complex. And it seems you are so very ignorant. With that logic I can call you up on female privilege and colored privilege for wanting everything handed over to you and not do any work for it.
@Keiji555 and I would also argue that white men are no more 'responsible' for the privilege they have than black women are for the oppression they face - but privilege should be recognised and remedied in order to actually even out the playing field. I hope some of what I said makes sense to you - the character limit on youtube is quite irritating.
@BellHooksUrge I agree with you on the character limit. But you seem to dismiss the 90+% of white males that are not rich as Bill Gates in your arguments. We do not have everything handed over to us on a silver plate as you seem to believe. You have more given to you by society than I am given. Looking at the rich white guys and judging all white males like that is a common mistake feminists make in their arguments.
@Keiji555 examples of white privilege can be found if you google "peggy mckintosh unpacking white privilege" male privilege can also be found by just googling that - you'll find that it's not about hating men or whiteness - quite the opposite - it's hating the structures, political and social, that are in place that give certain groups of people unearned privileges. to get an idea of what those privileges are, feel free to google :)
@BellHooksUrge Nah, no need to google. II can just look at society from my own two eyes. And it does seem like it is about shaming men and whites, as usual. For google links, try to take a look at manwomanmyth. The vids historically and scientifically debunk a lot of the myths about male privilege.
1. someone on here said something like "they didn't fight half as hard for equal sets as they did for equal pay" - let's think about this for a second - why is it that an institution that was initially controlled by men, that initially didn't even ALLOW women tennis players, decide to NOT have equal sets and equal pay?
2. When men win first 3/5, so automatic win - do they win the same prize money as women for 3 sets?
3. While considering "equal sets and equal play" is a reasonable start, it presents a somewhat naive look at any sport. let's look at training time. Do women train as hard as the men? if they do, then why not equal pay? Let's look at advertis and funding for women - does the world in general consider women's sports a good thing to invest in? If not, WHY not? And does this reflect a broader reality as to how women are viewed GENERALLY - not just in sports?
3 (continued): what if men don't want to play a full 5? not many sports (that I can think of right now) makes an assumption of how long women and men can last - football is 90 minutes. racket sports, in offering mixed doubles, are especially interesting because women do certainly last for a full 5 sets and are still phenomenal players. why not extend this to all play?
Boring bullshit... that you can quote from a fem instead of your heresay platform. You would never get far in politics with.. wait... lies and innuendo... you must be a John Bircher or something of the likes to believe such crap.
Love your videos mate, very funny and very true, I agree with rexx1234567 I laughed my arse off at "Like Subscribe" I had to keep clicking pause lol, keep the videos coming :-)
@6oodfella 2. It creates a society where women are both strong AND victims at the same time. A woman can have a high paying job, a good college education, and have a good head on her shoulders. She is strong. However, if she wears a lot of makeup, very revealing clothes, gets drunk, and sleeps with her boyfriend, SHE can claim rape. She is a victim. How can I get anyone to take me seriously in this type of society, where my fellow women are TOLD it's ok to laugh at men, cry rape, etc?
thylacinegurl 4 days ago
@6oodfella This is one of two things really wrong with feminism. 1. It creates a society where it is fashionable for men to be viewed as monsters. This includes our sons, husbands and boyfriends. But, as they are monsters it is ok to say they have lesser emotions, more sex drive, are better suited for blue collar jobs than white collar jobs. And this is viewed as "the way things are".
thylacinegurl 4 days ago
@6oodfella As I am able to get a different perspective than you, I don't know if this is the case. Even when talking about a man being raped, mutilated, killed, etc the women involved in the talk aren't angry or hateful. They have been so brainwashed by current society that they still think they are "victims" laughing at a "bully" and his pain.
thylacinegurl 4 days ago
@6oodfella My question is; Why do men put up with this? Is pussy that great for men, or are there more women like me than censuses let on?
thylacinegurl 5 days ago
@thylacinegurl The reason men put up with women's shit, is because men love women, it's just unfortunate that in general, women hate men, even though we've done so much for them for so long, they still hate us. They will even laugh on national TV with no shame when an elderly man is mutilated by a woman, and they don't even see anything wrong with this.
Not all women, some like yourself are stars, but you're a rare breed.
6oodfella 5 days ago
@6oodfella The feminists of today are loose cannons, radical or not. They want to eliminate the housewife, get equal pay for unequal work, and be viewed as full adults. They do this while bashing men, calling them all abusers, claiming women are perfect, and at the same time eliminating a woman's responsibility for her own actions. Men aren't perfect but women have a longer way to go now...
thylacinegurl 5 days ago
@6oodfella Thank you for making a vid showing the truth about feminists. As a woman, I get a lot of flak from my female coworkers for supporting MRAs and wanting real equality.
thylacinegurl 5 days ago
This is utter rubbish in terms of content. Apart from "the things you'll never hear feminist say" being completely wrong, it's clear that this has been made and posted by some small minded, not very clever individual who has a gripe with women. Overly long, dull and lacking in anything that resembles humour. And no, I'm not a woman or a feminist, just a bloke who knows what quality is.
pawnagain 1 week ago
@pawnagain You may not be a woman or a feminist, Sweetheart, but you are just as predictable, Honey: /watch?v=hMFGba7Ckx0
6oodfella 1 week ago
@6oodfella What? I'm predictable because I know a piece of shit masquerading as satire when I see it. Anyone with half a wit understands that you can't package up the entirety of feminism in one simple epistemology, unless of course you have simplistic, Palinic, dumbed down understanding of the world, which is clearly what you have Goodfella. If you're getting flak form co-workers, is because you're a moron, not because you understand feminism.
pawnagain 3 days ago
@pawnagain I said nothing about flak from any of my co-workers.
No matter how many insults you throw at me, they will never disguise the fact that you have not provided one single argument against anything in this video. Anyone who reads what you wrote will see that you have nothing to offer but insults, they will see that you lack the intellectual capacity to refute anything that is said in this video.
Now quick, insult me more, and prove how little intelligence you have.
6oodfella 3 days ago
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pawnagain 2 days ago
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@6oodfella A single argument? Too easy. Re you won't hear feminists say women should be soldiers. The following countries all allow and recruit volunteer women in active combat roles due to lobbying from feminist movements to change traditional recruitment restrictions: Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Italy, Germany, Norway, Israel, Serbia, Sweden and Switzerland.
You = moron: confirmed...*shooting ducks in barrel*.
pawnagain 2 days ago
@pawnagain What a load of horseshit, feminists have never lobbied for women to fight on the front line.
You call me a moron, because that's your only form of debate, but I notice you removed your last comment, would that be because you made a complete moron of yourself by claiming I said something and then quoting an entirely different person to prove what I said. Funny that, because that seems to me to be the actions of a moron. How ironic.
Every comment of yours so far has been pointless.
6oodfella 2 days ago
@6oodfella what is ironic is that your video is pointless, contains not a shred of proof to substantiate any of its claims, and that you only have the intellectual capacity to return my dispersions rather than come up with your own. So not only are you a moron, you're also an imbecile. There are literally hundreds of peer reviewed articles written by feminists arguing for the repeal of sex segregation in the armed forces in the West, but I guess you don't bother yourself with facts.
pawnagain 2 days ago
@pawnagain As I've said to you before, I get a lot of flack from my female co-workers because I support the MRM. Hahaha, what an arsehole.
Your pointlessness is becoming more and more evident with every comment you post, please keep them coming, it's all very entertaining.
It reminds me of what Ghandi once said, "We will fight them on the beaches". Hahaha, what a brainless gimp you are.
6oodfella 1 day ago
@6oodfella Really? That's the best you've got? Rather than argue about the facts of feminism you serve up an inane non-sequitur as the 'killer blow'? Sheesh, if this is your idea of entertainment you're more pitiful than I thought. Have another tub of ice cream and bucket of coke, give the underside of your man boobs a wipe, put on your least putrid mumu and go outside for some fresh air. The world has changed. Maybe people won't point and laugh at you anymore...maybe. Forever alone.
pawnagain 1 day ago
@pawnagain That reminds me of the time John Lennon said "This is one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind". Hahaha, what an idiot.
6oodfella 1 day ago
FAVOURITED!
thedesertrose99 1 week ago
women lawyers r the best.
ThaDopist 3 weeks ago
@ThaDopist I actually agree with this. In a case against a woman, it's better to have a female lawyer on your side, then the woman can't play the victimised card.
6oodfella 3 weeks ago
Loose women is an abomination of a programme
lee0nline1 1 month ago
brilliant
lhn6856 1 month ago
You'll never hear a YouTube feminist say this:
I am open to all debate, so I will not remove comments that disagree with my opinion in these videos.
theignoredgender 1 month ago 2
@theignoredgender I absolutely hate anyone who stifles freedom of expression, and I'm glad my videos piss them off so much, fuck them, they're weak.
Just yesterday someone said I should be shot for my video, he was obviously against the idea of freely expressing one's opinion.
I also got blocked on FB for ripping the piss out of one of those God awful photos about how difficult life is for mothers, the bitch blocked me, unreal, so faggoty.
6oodfella 1 month ago
@6oodfella
Yeah, that's to be expected from them.
Which photo? What did you say about it?
theignoredgender 1 month ago
@theignoredgender It was a mock dictionary definition, "Mother: one who does 20 jobs for free". I went at the uploader and said women are always complaining about how difficult motherhood is, instead of appreciating how lucky they are, and ignoring the joy that children bring. It was when I made my mock version of it that she blocked me.
I'll send you a link to it.
6oodfella 1 month ago
You poor bitter little man. If you hate women so much, maybe it's time to come out of that closet. A 20 minute rant against women says a lot about you. It's like going to Fox News to find out what liberals think. Why bother when their bias is so obvious. I'm wondering why you are hiding behind cartoon characters.
Sheerkat7 1 month ago
@Sheerkat7 This is almost a record for use of shaming language, it's just a pity that you couldn't even provide one single example from the video that proves your case, but then, that would take intelligence.
If you want entertainment, Sweetheart, and I mean real entertainment, then gasp in amazement at how I predicted everything you just said in your comment, in this video I made over 2 years ago: /watch?v=hMFGba7Ckx0
I would hate to be as predictable as you, I really would.
6oodfella 1 month ago 2
Sorry I didn't get the record, Mr. 2". The entire video is an example. Does your Alzheimer's prevent you from remembering what you post? You are also predictable, but I thought it would take more than an hour for you to reply. You hide behind cartoon characters. If you are such a manly man why don't you show yourself? Maybe if you weren't such a whiny bitch, you wouldn't have so much trouble.
Sheerkat7 1 month ago
@Sheerkat7 Prove I'm predictable with, you know, an example?
You seem desperate to see what I look like, I know you're fascinated with me, but I think you want to see my handsome features so you can then attack my appearance in your sad attempts at predictable shaming language.
Imagine being able to predict what you would say over two years before you said it. So predictable.
6oodfella 1 month ago
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I stumbled on your site while watching the various "shit people say" videos. Several of them are truly entertaining because they are done with humor, not hate. Hate begets hate. You have no sense of humor like most chauvinist pigs. Sorry Mommy didn't love you enough and you have to take it out on all women. Sounds like you are a fan of Sharia Law. Is that your agenda? I thought I detected an accent MOFO.
Sheerkat7 1 month ago
@6oodfella lol-when I went to a chatroom that had a lot of heated battles of feminists and pre-MRAs (it was a while ago) I'd send my pics...feminists were usually the most attratced to me.
MrBastilleDay 1 month ago
@Sheerkat7 So you have to be homosexual to disagee with women?
rang3r34 1 month ago
@rang3r34 Not to mention poor, little, and misogynist too.
6oodfella 1 month ago
@6oodfella Yeah, typical female response. Women have communal, hive minds. They will believe ANY propaganda thrown at them without logic. This video is CLEARLY challenging FEMINISTS NOT every damn woman! Just shows how femi-cunts have brainwashed women to protect them while they destroy the very lives of women. Sad, thig is most women DON'T realize this.
rang3r34 1 month ago
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@rang3r34 No.
Sheerkat7 1 month ago
Welp, this was a pretty disgusting waste of time! Hope the creator gets clapped.
Signed,
a man.
TheMoonlitKnight 1 month ago
@TheMoonlitKnight Listen, Boy, why don't you at least mention a part of the video to prove your case? Your case being that I should be shot for having an opinion that differs from yours. Way to stand up for freedom of expression, Boy, what a bell-end.
You ought to change your name to faggoty-arse white knight, it would suit you better, Boy.
Oh, and thank you so much for letting me know you have a penis, I really appreciate that, Boy, now I can move on with my life.
6oodfella 1 month ago
I love that joke at the end. I woulda never saw that one coming.
rexx1234567 1 month ago
16:52 - 17:04 ....You hit the nail right on the head!
rexx1234567 1 month ago
Hey bro, do you have an email address that subs can contact you? Or should we just use the youtube mailbox?
lnsertCleverName 1 month ago
@lnsertCleverName The YT one is fine, but if you insist on E-mail, then guntotin6angster@hotmail.com is my address :)
6oodfella 1 month ago
Abortion - well, that really shows the true character of women, really shows how caring and sharing they are, how brimming full of love and empathy.
capturedpilot 1 month ago
Female 'soldiers' fighting on the front line! Yeah, that'll be a cold day in Hell.
Funny thing, though, the media, when they report wars, always give the impression (with deceptive comments and deceptive camera-shots) that women are actually on the front line.
capturedpilot 1 month ago
6oodfella that was brilliant, I dedicate my first youtube post to compliment you on a funny, truism(?) 'sketch'.
I looked for any points missed & all I could think of was 'You never hear Feminists say Who's the Daddy? unless someone is already paying/man has walked out/etc.' (paternity fraud).
Thanks.
ak030807 1 month ago
@ak030807 Thank you, I am honoured you used your first comment on my video, I hope you enjoy your stay on YT :)
6oodfella 1 month ago
Feminism may still be popular on the Internet, but it's not as popular in real life, i.e. not very many big protests. Since most women realize feminism has failed, hopefully it will wither and die like the green movement and "troofer" movements.
blacktigerpaw1 1 month ago
lack of protests != feminism has failed. Also... the green movement hasn't died - but in times of economic recession, going green may present some risks that are currently unavoidable.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge When a movement is dead, it doesn't always mean it is dead per se, but that the public has lost the vigour. What I mean is that many have lost interest in the constant wailing of the green movement (at least some do), and as for feminism, people are beginning to realise that it is a lost cause. No need to be pessimistic about everything, you know ;)
blacktigerpaw1 1 month ago
@blacktigerpaw1 :) I agree that mainstream public, in the west, has lots its vigour, especially in suburban/middle class/white settings - this is not the case for other parts of the world, however, and that should be considered. What do you mean by "feminism is a lost cause" or that it has "failed"??
as for feminism and pessimism, "Feminist Killjoys" by Sarah Ahmed is interesting: tried to link it but youtube wont let me :(
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge Feminism may have different branches, but they are all connected to the same dying tree. That said, it does not matter what viewpoint it is, it still is corrupt. Feminism is a lost cause because it is centered on superiority. It has failed since it has pushed humanity backwards; progress is limited, therefore we cannot progress as a species.
blacktigerpaw1 1 month ago
@blacktigerpaw1, please explain by what you mean corrupt. Feminism is not about superiority. And most of feminism centers actually around using the other half of the population (females) who have long been denied access to spheres such as the sciences, political realms of influence, etc. So actually, it is about progress, and ensuring that great minds that were constantly denied space are given room to grow.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge So you finally show your true colours. Female centricism, eh?
Women generally had no interest in the sciences. If they did, they were welcome to do so. As for politics, you're forgetting queens. They had the power over everything, even their husbands. Look at Catherine the Great: She slept with her soliders and then plotted to kill her husband. Innocent? Nope.
Well, females are allowed in science now, and guess what? Science is a dying subject.
blacktigerpaw1 1 month ago
@blacktigerpaw1, exactly which parts of feminist theory, or feminism do you feel blocks progress, or that it has failed? Your emotional arguments sound impassioned, but without a clear argumentation, structure, examples, and with only unbacked statements, they are less than rigorous as to a reasonable explanation of the failures of feminism
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge Impassioned? Unbacked statements? Don't make me laugh! You haven't given me ANY reason as to how feminism is successful, and you go around in circles. I'm afraid arguing with you is pointless. You will give the same arguments that have been debunked again and again.
Feminism has "failed" because it failed to provide the one thing it promised: equality. Don't go talking about how unbacked my statements are when yours are fallacies based on sour logic.
blacktigerpaw1 1 month ago
@blacktigerpaw1 I gave you an article - but I'm glad you agree that men and women aren't equal even now. that is because feminism is a work in progress and hasn't yet ended. we aren't living in a post-feminist world. or a post-equality world. or a post-racial world. Feminism reaches for equality but I find it interesting that you are somehow against that happening.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@blacktigerpaw1
Feminism has been successful in women to be recognised as persons in various nations, including Canada. Feminism's different movements have been associated with updating definition of rape in the US. Feminism promotes the message that women should have equal access to opportunities as men, and has had an impact on affirmative action, on the roles of women in, as I mentioned, politics, sports, gender theory, queer theory. :) i spelled it out for you, since you seem a bit... slow.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@blacktigerpaw1 if anything, lack of protests could imply that those protesting for what they wanted have achieved it. though I would argue that feminism has now progressed to include a number of different perspectives, all of which are branches of a tree, some of which itnersect, and others which do not - there are feminists who are anti-porn, while others are pro-porn - some who are anti-sex work, and others pro. Some who are transmisogynists, others who aren't. :)
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge true feminism has many branches and a million different points of view, however this is just all the more proof that it is corrupt, what so called group of reformist can have over a million different goals and views? if that's the case it's not even a single/centralized movement anymore, it practically extends to EVERYTHING. It has NO GOAL at all it's just an abundance of misguided thoughts and beliefs bundled into an unstable holding. This is why i can NEVER take it seriously.
THEATRYCAL 1 month ago
@THEATRYCAL, spaces of difference are integral and important to any movement - there can be value in seeing ideas, constructs, policies from a variety of perspectives. People have their individual goals for what they want to achieve out of life in general - finding a group of people with those goals is also fine. It is also fine to differ. Just because thought are different doesn't mean they are misguided. Ideas and progress depend on fluidity of thoughts, willingness to change.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@THEATRYCAL You're right - it's not a centralised/single movement - but that has no bearing on whether or not it is corrupt. You are conflating different ideas here. If you look at particular branches in feminism, you will find strong arguments for each side. It is up to you make up your mind - but feminism is certainly not 'one' thing. It is my opinion that this aspect of it strengthens it and speaks more truly to the diversity of lived experiences.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@THEATRYCAL rather than saying it has no goal, perhaps it would be easier to see it as various branches of feminism working towards different goals. Some are focused on bringing men into the dialogue, whereas others are more focused on bringing WOC into the dialogue. (Google POC and WOC for more information) Some are focused on bringing Transmisogynist issues to the forefront, while others unfortunately are transmisogynist themselves.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
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feministsAreCorrupt 1 month ago
I like the subliminal like frame joke in the video.
Shouxiao 1 month ago
@Shouxiao I'm glad you spotted it, thanks :)
6oodfella 1 month ago
@6oodfella Its actually there twice I think. Lets just say the western world government isn't what it seems and plots against its people. Feminist are a mere tools for there plan but they will suffer the worst when the government turns on them and abandons them.
In a society were chaos breaks out and martial law starts feminist will be the first to perish. Let see how independent they are when the government puts the police state on their behinds.
Shouxiao 1 month ago
please google
"male privilege"
"men's rights activists" for more information.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
most feminists actually do acknowledge the fact that molesting an underage boy by an older woman IS jsut as bad - in fact, it's feminists who do argue from the perspective that women can also rape, molest, etc - it is usually mainstream society that scoffs at ideas of women being capable of rape and molestation.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge "it's feminists who do argue from the perspective that women can also rape, molest, etc" - Pure undiluted bullshit.
6oodfella 1 month ago 3
@6oodfella how so? I am pro-feminist and I am arguing from that perspective - most I've met also have. I don't think you calling is bs makes it so. Here is someone pro-feminist who does argue from the perspective that women can rape. Already that's one. How many have you met or been in contact with? how many forums do you attend? Why is it nonsensical to suggest this?
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
"ive had my say, so I'll let others have their say"
certainly, you are allowed to your opinion and your preorgatives - people interested in feminism and in the subject are aware that feminism crosses over multiple branches, and not all feminists agree on issues. Trans issues are often tricky for second wavers to come to terms with.many others still remain anti-sex work.your video is nothing new, however, and people invested in these issues have faced the same tired arguments over and over.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
many pro feminist women do fight the idea that women can't be on the front lines. Just because you haven't heard them, doesn't mean they don't exist. Furthermore, the underlying sentiments behind the idea that women cannot be on the front lines are akin to the idea that women are delicate flowers and need to be protected, while men need to take the brunt - I know of no feminists who will take that route in an argument.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge "Just because you haven't heard them, doesn't mean they don't exist" - No, but it makes it a valid addition to my video.
6oodfella 1 month ago 4
as to the wimbledon comment, you should read the article by Venus Williams, in 2007, when she fought for the right for equal pay pointing out that it is basically old white dudes in charge who don't want to give female athletes equal court time or equal pay.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge She fought for equal pay, not for equal sets, therefore it is not a fight for equality, but for superiority.
6oodfella 1 month ago 17
@6oodfella she fought for both actually, but the people in charge are unwilling to grant more women court time, not because women couldn't play for longer. It has to do with funding, advertisements, and a general belief that women's tennis is not as important- It was easier to argue the monetary aspect because she was able to say "you refuse to grant us court time on the basis we can't handle it, when WE know we can handle it - but why should my victory mean less than male tennis, monetarily?"
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge Out of the two things you claim she asked for, the women were ONLY granted the pay increase, not an increase in the work required to EARN that pay.....how convenient. Why am I not fucking surprised at that outcome.
rexx1234567 1 month ago
they play fewer games in wimbledon BECAUSE the authorities in charge do not want women to play 5 instead of the current 3. Most professional women athletes can play the full 5. This video is chock full of inaccuracies and ignorance, but I have better things to do than point them all out. Dismaying, but unsurprising. You clearly haven't met many feminists/pro-feminist people. A shame.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge "I have better things to do than point them all out" - I might put this in a video of things feminists always say, I've heard it so many times it's laughable. "I would refute everything you say, but I can't be bothered", brilliant.
6oodfella 1 month ago 11
@6oodfella but we really don't have to point them out haha - we hear it all the time from a mainstream public - if you want more information, google men's right's activists, MRAs, rape culture, sex positive feminism (- learn that not all feminists are anti-porn, while some are - read sites like Jezebel, Feministing, racialicious. read eve sedwick, bell hooks, and judith butler. - We aren't here to educate you -at least, I'm not - if you care, educate yourself instead of whining. :)
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@6oodfella I've given you a ton of resources in my other posts if you're actually interested in the issues and reading about the counter arguments. I certainly can't be bothered to go through them all, but if you care enough, you'll google those sites and those people on your own. all the best in your endeavors!
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge So why won't they play the full 5, instead of just 3?
Keiji555 1 month ago
@Keiji555 Because the authorities don't want to have to fund more court time, rearrange schedules to accommodate more women playing time - so their easy cop-out method is to say "women can't play 5" - but this is not the case and most female athletes in the sport will tell you they won't mind playing longer at all - it's the regulatory body that refuses to as an excuse to not pay them. This is no longer the case for wimbledon and the US open - not sure about the French or hte Australian one.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge
any links to the "authorities" actually saying this? or are you just bullshitting. Surely there must be some sort of record somewhere. I have never heard of the women fighting for equal sets. If they did, They sure as hell didnt try half as hard as they did for the " equal pay for less work" deal they got going now.
cellectify 1 month ago
@cellectify google the following: "Venus williams, equal pay for equal play" - also, again, jsut because YOU haven't heard about it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Clearly, this video isn't bringing up masters of general knowledge, is it?
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@cellectify women have been fighting for equal sets ever since women have been fighting for tennis period. Did you know, for example, that media attention ON tennis was largely in part to Billie Jean King's stunt against Bobby Riggs? Without that stunt - and without her winning - not only would women's tennis have taken a backseat - all tennis would have - the kind of funding and media advertisement around that match exposed the game to many more viewers.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge again......google doesnt pull anything up. Do you have any likns to this fight and the subsequent refusal by the authorities?
cellectify 1 month ago
@cellectify No, just Serena's word, and I have evidence that she is a grade 'A' bullshitter, the evidence being the video on YT of her claiming an abusive fan was a possible stalker and women abuser, crying to the ref to get him removed from the crowd, the lying bint.
6oodfella 1 month ago
@6oodfella .... get your facts straight - venus wrote the letter/article
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@cellectify there is an article written by venus williams I believe in 2007 (maybe I've got it wrong as to the year - 2006 perhaps) - but it was a fairly huge deal -simply googling "venus williams equal pay" will bring up the article and references - as to whether or not they fought hard enough - that's laughable. It should have been equal sets, equal pay from the start and it's a shame it wasn't - and it's a shame that court time for women is still much less.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge NVM some of my previous comment... money does make some sense... However, I do have a feeling I am missing a key piece of information. This is not your fault, and you are trying to bring a good argument.
Just a gut feeling thing that I can't put my finger on.
Keiji555 1 month ago
@Keiji555 because, if you read my comments you would realise, the men in authority - aka old white dudes controlling wimbledon and other opens are unwilling to give women equal pay OR equal play - read venus williams article from 2007 where she demanded it - and where she only got half the deal - aka equal play. In it, she asserts her ability to play 5 sets, and the unwillingness from those controlling the game's funding/organisation to see it done.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge *shakes his head* Wow. So it's all man's fault in other words. So can ya share the link with me? From what I understand of your post, is that she wanted equal pay, but they gave her half of the pay, since she was only gonna play 3 sets, which is about half the sets that tennis do play.
So why don't they allow it? And don't say its because the white man doesn't want to. I will know you are not legitimate if you use that excuse. I want to know why. Not retorics.
Keiji555 1 month ago
@Keiji555 not men's fault - male privilege. I would suggest you google it. They don't allow it not because they are white, and not because they are male, but because white and male privilege are realities in the world we live in, just as oppression based on gender and race is also a reality in the world we live in - there is a distinction. I am trying to bring a reasonable argument to the table, but it's hard in an environment where most of the sentiments are hostile.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge God... I'm white AND male, and i'm in the bottom middle class and I see NONE of these privileges... Wake up and look at the world as it truly is. I have seen a 12 year old boy denied protection against abuse simply on the fact that he was a boy. I don't see that happen to girls. There is no more white privlege, and male privilege. If it did exist... stop looking at the rich men to make your argument.
Keiji555 1 month ago
@Keiji555 the reason i am not posting links is because, for some reason, you tube doesn't let me :S it isn't rhetoric, but it's why I keep saying "google [insert specific topic]".
It's not a question of what white men want in terms of personal desires - it's a question of unquestioned male influence in the sports world. So, for example: funding. Will as many advertisers want to pitch in for women's sport? IS giving women more court time seen as "worthy" ? I'll continue this in the next post.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge Well, I have seen the arguement somewhere in the video comments that men's sports do take more public attention, due to it mostly being a more male dominated interest... I don't know. I couldn't care less about sports.
Keiji555 1 month ago
@Keiji555, keep in mind that women weren't even ALLOWED to play tennis (or any sport) at all until fairly recently, considering world history - and the battle hasn't ended. Please keep in mind that the battle isn't against men - it isn't men's faults - but it IS male privilege at work in these domains - an unquestioned acceptance that women's sports is less enthralling, or less 'objectively' good - all of which have been countered time and again - women have intricate game-play, passing, etc
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge Male privilege is not a good argument. I do not see any form of privilege in Male needs in society. Mostly Female privilege. Therefore, it isn't worthwile argument as it is bias that determines this, so it is not valid as a logical argument.
Keiji555 1 month ago
@Keiji555 the argument made by the board of organisers for tennis was "women can't play more than 3 sets, and because they can't play more than 3 sets, they shouldn't be paid more" venus' argument was, roughly "i damn well can play 5 sets, but you lot won't let me, so why should I be cheated out of my prize money? I train as hard as the men, deal with shittier court times, shittier advertising, shittier courts in general (women 's championship get second courts while lesser men's get main court"
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@Keiji555 but the simplest answer to "why won't they allow it?" is that this is the case with any question of status quo - keep in mind it wasn't long ago that people in this world thought Asians were mentally deficient - hence the term "mongolians" that black people were inferior, etc etc - these attitudes take time to change and are rarely accepted by those doing the oppressing, unknowingly or not. In that way, it was primarily black people pfighting for black rights, women fighting for women
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge Okay. Yeah, historically, other groups may have been not permitted to do what they can do today (Yay for Rosa Parks), But how long will it take to accept male needs in society being ignored by feminist groups? I would also like to note that it was white males that did give all the rights to the minority groups in the end. To Women, to Blacks, etc. Remember the Railroad to Canada for the black slaves? Done by whites.
Keiji555 1 month ago
@Keiji555 - and because they are white and cis-men, they generally don't have the lived experiences of the obstacles of being a woman or being another race (nearly all races are also held in opposition to normative and positive whiteness - I am speaking of whiteness and maleness as cultures - that of an assumed normativity and positivity (that is, both maleness and whiteness are seen as positive norms) note that I'm not targeting men or white people, but male privilege and white privilege.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge How very narrowminded an argument. "Cause they are white and cis-men, they generally don't have the lived experienced of said group" That is just ignorant, and rather discriminitive of you to say such a thing. And people wonder why men of the 80s are stuck with a Peter Pan complex. And it seems you are so very ignorant. With that logic I can call you up on female privilege and colored privilege for wanting everything handed over to you and not do any work for it.
Keiji555 1 month ago
@Keiji555 and I would also argue that white men are no more 'responsible' for the privilege they have than black women are for the oppression they face - but privilege should be recognised and remedied in order to actually even out the playing field. I hope some of what I said makes sense to you - the character limit on youtube is quite irritating.
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge I agree with you on the character limit. But you seem to dismiss the 90+% of white males that are not rich as Bill Gates in your arguments. We do not have everything handed over to us on a silver plate as you seem to believe. You have more given to you by society than I am given. Looking at the rich white guys and judging all white males like that is a common mistake feminists make in their arguments.
Keiji555 1 month ago
@Keiji555 examples of white privilege can be found if you google "peggy mckintosh unpacking white privilege" male privilege can also be found by just googling that - you'll find that it's not about hating men or whiteness - quite the opposite - it's hating the structures, political and social, that are in place that give certain groups of people unearned privileges. to get an idea of what those privileges are, feel free to google :)
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@BellHooksUrge Nah, no need to google. II can just look at society from my own two eyes. And it does seem like it is about shaming men and whites, as usual. For google links, try to take a look at manwomanmyth. The vids historically and scientifically debunk a lot of the myths about male privilege.
Keiji555 1 month ago
@Keiji555 other questions to ponder:
1. someone on here said something like "they didn't fight half as hard for equal sets as they did for equal pay" - let's think about this for a second - why is it that an institution that was initially controlled by men, that initially didn't even ALLOW women tennis players, decide to NOT have equal sets and equal pay?
2. When men win first 3/5, so automatic win - do they win the same prize money as women for 3 sets?
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@Keiji555, other questions to ponder:
3. While considering "equal sets and equal play" is a reasonable start, it presents a somewhat naive look at any sport. let's look at training time. Do women train as hard as the men? if they do, then why not equal pay? Let's look at advertis and funding for women - does the world in general consider women's sports a good thing to invest in? If not, WHY not? And does this reflect a broader reality as to how women are viewed GENERALLY - not just in sports?
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@Keiji555 other questions to ponder:
3 (continued): what if men don't want to play a full 5? not many sports (that I can think of right now) makes an assumption of how long women and men can last - football is 90 minutes. racket sports, in offering mixed doubles, are especially interesting because women do certainly last for a full 5 sets and are still phenomenal players. why not extend this to all play?
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
@Keiji555 oh I'm sorry - I responded twice to your comment. ah well!
BellHooksUrge 1 month ago
Do you have one of those self glorifying facebook fan pages or anything?
lnsertCleverName 1 month ago
@lnsertCleverName I started working on for Mary ages ago, I never got around to finishing. I just use a regular FB page.
6oodfella 1 month ago
Boring bullshit... that you can quote from a fem instead of your heresay platform. You would never get far in politics with.. wait... lies and innuendo... you must be a John Bircher or something of the likes to believe such crap.
motheoracle 1 month ago
@motheoracle Quote from a feminist in a video with this title? Are your parents twins?
6oodfella 1 month ago
@Eastwood1138 Thank you. I am glad you spotted it :)
6oodfella 1 month ago
Love your videos mate, very funny and very true, I agree with rexx1234567 I laughed my arse off at "Like Subscribe" I had to keep clicking pause lol, keep the videos coming :-)
Eastwood1138 1 month ago 2
@rexx1234567 Thank you, Mate. I'm well chuffed with that joke, I'm so glad someone noticed it :)
6oodfella 1 month ago
13:14 - 13:22 .... I LOVE IT!!
rexx1234567 1 month ago
and at 7:33, that was so quick that I had to go back and keep hitting Play/Pause..... funny. Very good and informative video also.
rexx1234567 1 month ago
At 07:25 ..... LAughing My Ass Off at "subliminal messages"!
rexx1234567 1 month ago
And now the intoxication thing is enshrined in law here in the states.
TheLordmep 1 month ago