@Perion they did indeed show how powerful they are even standing down the hrogen but only 3 species were able to ebst them humans, 8472 and the Q, judgeing by the sorry technology the empire has even the kazon would belt vaders armies
@staticmunk7777 Clearly you don't know how powerful the Empire is, They have had faster than light travel for tens of thousands of years, control millions of worlds (compared to the federation having only 150 member worlds) and have quadrillions of troops at least.
On top of that they have Hyperdrive (takes hours to days to cross the galaxy), which is faster than Slipstream (takes months) which is faster than Borg shipborne Transwarp (Voy:Hope and Fear) Oh and as for firepower, boy howdy.
A Federation Photon torpedo has, at best, a yield equivalent to 24 megatons. Quantum torpedoes are no more than twice this yield. A single medium turbolaser blast from an Acclamator transport (not even a dedicated warship) carries a yield equivalent to 200,000 megatons. It carries 12 such weapons, and it's rate of fire is roughly 1 shot every 2 seconds or so. Since it's a dropship, it's shields are far more powerful than it's weapons systems.
Oh and this Dropship is larger than a galaxy class starship, with a neutronium impregnated hull. A Galaxy class cannot even enter a planet's atmosphere without separating the saucer first, otherwise it would sag and tear itself apart under it's own weight.
We know that through sufficient firepower, borg ships can be heavily damaged or even destroyed regardless of adaptation (First Contact) and that's from a fleet no larger than 60 ships, who took 50% casualties and still had torpedoes left.
A single shot from an Acclamator would not only be able to destroy any ship in any fleet of the Dominion War, but it would also easily obliterate a Species 8472 ship (Borg weapons can harm them, which means Imperial weapons will kill them.) Also, since I sincerely doubt the Federation fired 8,000 photon torpedoes into the Borg Cube, a single shot would toast a cube as well. All that assuming the Borg could even adapt to Imperial weapons, which there is considerable evidence that they cannot.
Imperial weapons don't operate on coherent wave forms, meaning they don't have a set frequency that can be matched, which means the Borg cannot adapt. This also means that a 24 megaton blast of such energy could obliterate a borg cube, consider how much damage 3 phaser blasts did to a cube before it adapted, now imagine what would have happened had they fired a photon torpedo instead. Bye bye cube. Now imagine the Borg unable to adapt, it would look allot like a Transphasic impact wouldn't it?
Even if the Borg COULD adapt to their weapons, they are sufficiently powerful to blow through their defences anyhow, hell even if it took roughly 8,000 torpedoes to kill the cube in First Contact (it probably only took dozens to little over a hundred) the equivalent of 1,000 torpedoes or less would do it, due to the energies concentrated in a single bolt rather than a series of explosions, so the energy is applied all at once and in a much smaller area.
The Empire are also known to use Mass Drivers, Concussion weapons, personal and mounted Railguns, even Slugthrowers. As the Borg have always shown a vulnerability to physical impacts, these weapons would prove devastatingly effective for absurdly cheap and simple manufacture as well as low power generation requirements, hell so cheap and simple the Federation could do it, but the Federation are incapable of doing anything that doesn't require overcomplicated technology.
@Perion oh i know but i agree with you the one thing is i fear they might assimilate a few ships and they take the technology and adapt immediately thats why they all should join forces rebels empire and federation and fully take out the truest evil at once but is till have to admit the borg are the craftiest of all even on the last episode of voyager the old janeway used thier own tricks against them and they assimilated a virus that was thier end til one bloomin ship adapted i
@staticmunk7777 immediately and got blown form within and i know of the empire firepower they use the deathstar on one cube but then all the reta djsut shileds and adapt then another thing empire dont have transporters within an hour the deathstar would be fully assimilated with nanoprobes
@staticmunk7777 again you don't understand how either the borg or the empire work, A) the Death Star isn't even necessary, B) if they did use the DS then it's not the main gun that's the problem, it's all the many thousands of surface guns, each of which powerful enough to waste a Borg cube in one shot. C) Did you read the rest of my posts? I clearly explained why the Borg would not be able to adapt and even if they did, they would still be killed in one shot each.
Adaptation only means an increased level of effectiveness, it does NOT make them invincible or unstoppable against what they adapted to. Up against the power of imperial weapons (not even taking into account the planet buster gun) that increase is only academic. So even if they could adapt (which as I've established they cannot) It wouldn't make any difference whatsoever.
Adaptation is NOT a super power, and as for the mechanism the borg use to adapt a more accurate term would be optimization, by matching frequency with a phase coherent wave form such as Phasers or Federation Shields, they can maximize the effectiveness of their shields and weapons against them, if they encounter weapons that are phase incoherent, such as the Empire's Shields and Weapons, then there is no way to adapt as there is no set frequency to match.
@staticmunk7777 I don't think there's anything to fear about the Borg assimilating Imperial technology, given the known limitations of Borg assimilation and adaptation capabilities displayed throughout the franchise, as well as the sheer level of technology the Empire has. Borg are tactically speaking the most inept race in trek.
@staticmunk7777 The Hirogen for the most part would give the Empire a wide berth, Hunting a dangerous prey is one thing, hunting a nigh invulnerable prey that can obliterate you before you can get close is another.
@Perion how many of voyager have you seen one episode the hirogen hunted 8472 which by far is much more dangerous than the empire for they wanted to purge the galaxy of all life and 8472 has the power to do it but yet still they hunted it anyhow no matter how many were killed by just one 8472.
@staticmunk7777 I've seen all of Voyager and The Undine (8472) aren't anywhere near as dangerous as the Empire. By Imperial standards, blowing up a Borg Cube in one or a handfull of voleys is nothing special, what's more, is that Borg weapons are capable of harming Undine ships, Borg weapons would not be capable of harming Imperial vessels. The only thing the Undine have ever done that's worth the Empire's attention is their planet buster. Even that isn't as big of a deal as one might think.
They use a dedicated, vulnerable formation surrounding a specialized vessel that, if lost, nullifies that ability. Also it uses a chain reaction based attack, which makes it ineffective against Planetary shields, that the Empire are known to protect their worlds with. Also the Undine tendency to go into a full retreat after taking only a dozen casualties would mean that after the Empire smacks them around for a while they'll high-tail it back to fluidic space.
@Perion species of beings with grand technologies but no worries witht he new empire under a good ruler the new empire will defeat all evil who will come to face them
@staticmunk7777 now you're not even making any sense, the only races in Star Trek who could stand a chance against the Empire wouldn't care what they do with the galaxy.
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@kezar123456 No. There will never be a part 3. The guy that made this is scared because of all the hate mail he received from psychotic Star Wars fans.
I think it's rather intrieging pitting the Galactic Empire against The United Federation of Planets. Question, however..... Are you contemplating having the Klingons, Romulans or Cardassians enter the conflict? Maybe not together or all at once, but pitting Empire against Empire. Perhaps starting with the Klingons.
Where the Federation would lose that war is in the numbers. The Galactic Empire has vastly more resources to commit to such an engagement. They control thousands of worlds, spanning an entire galaxy. The Federation occupies portions of two quadrants, and is hemmed in by other naval powers on par with themselves. In a stand-up fight my money's on the Federation, because their ships are faster, and they can teleport. But in a protracted conflict, Galactic Empire all the way.
@thegreatneechi closer to millions of worlds actually, and Imperial ships are actually the faster ones, a Class 1 Hyperdrive (the standard Imperial Hyperdrive on their warships) is roughly 50x faster than Slipstream, which already is 1,000x faster than warp. Transporters can be blocked through shielding, dense materials and the aformentioned ECM, all of which are present in spades on Imperial ships.
One thing I always noticed, the trek fans love showing Phasers hitting Tie Fighters and other ships of that size, but haven't they missed much LARGER and SLOWER ships in the series a few times? If that's the case, how the hell could they hope to hit something as small and fast as a star wars fighter?
@chiconspiracy Yeah I know, not to mention the fact that TIE Fighters have rather impressive ECM capabilities, I doubt they would be able to get a lock even if the TIE was standing still.
@Perion Not really buying that one. The instances where phaser beam arrays have missed are usually cases of human error and environmental conditions. Federation sensors are far too sophisticated to foiled by the low-power ECM packages carried by TIE fighters, which are designed as counter measures against other fighters, not capital ships. In a universe where all direct fire weapons are still mounted on turrets (or spinal), certainly a fast moving fighter poses a threat, but not in Star Trek.
@thegreatneechi No we've seen Phaser arrays miss allot in combat conditions, we've never even heard of ECM used in Trek to any great deal, certainly not any that cause spacial distortions. TIE Fighter ECM packages are designed to protect against target locks, regardless of the source.
Turrets are superior to fixed emplacements like those used in Trek, could you imagine how much the lethality of a Federation ship would be improved if they mounted Photon Torpedo launchers on turrets?
@thegreatneechi We see Fighters as being quite cost effective in the Dominion War, the Peregrine Fighters are able to evade fire (though some still get hit now and then) and cause crippling damage to Galor class vessels.
Sorry to disappoint but the tactics and fire power was a bit dumbed down on the starfeet side . Don't get me wrong but starfleet weapons would have done more damage than what is shown. The graphics look good and all but come on make it a good fight not a slaughter.
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i noticed that it is always the tie fighter that attacks the ships when its sopposed to be the tie bombers since they were made to attack large ships while the tie fighters attack enemy fighters to protect the bombers.
Somehow, I want to make a very amateur (whenever I hear amateur I thin of either wrestling or pornography; pardon the tangent) fan film of Jedi vs. Vulcans. I believe the Vulcans would win, and this fan film would show the logic versus the instinct. I believe it would very interesting and fun to put on.
lol I like how people are actually comparing this....
Anyhow, this is what I think: No matter how powerful the lazers are from the Empire, they're still LAZERS. Light. Deflector shields part light, even if it's coherent. So, this is what I'd consider a suitable conversation about a federeation ship: "Captain, they're firing LAZERS at us. And they don't even have main shelds!" "How quaint. Beam a photon torpedo onto their bridge."
It really depends on how you look at it really. Lasers is really just a name, doesn't describe how powerful the energy yield is on them, remembering the Republic/Empire has stood for other 4000 years. While true enough looking at it you can expect the federation to have some advantages in the area of technology, However considering the size of both the ships the Empire can mass produce + the size of their armies from the mass production I'd say that makes up...
I have the ultimate end-all to the flame war. The Borg take over a Star Destroyer (Hey, if Luke and Han can do, I think the Borg can too, Star Wars enimies are extremely ditsy, look at the storm troopers) they assimilate the entire ship, download the technology, become as strong as the Empire, and wipe them out as well as the Federation. Did the Federation die as well? Yes. Did Star Trek universe still win? Yes. There ya go. Now everyone shut up. XD
@Valkier071 since when did Luke and Han take over a Star Destroyer? the most I saw them do was break Leia out of prison and escape, which is exactly what the Empire wanted them to do so they could track their ship to the base that they had spent the entire movie up to that point searching for.
Borg assimilation has limits, there are various things they cannot assimilate or adapt to throughout the Trek franchise, interestingly enough, the Empire possesses every one of these or something better.
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@Perion The fact still remains that all of these 'weapons' both sides have simply do not exist in real life at all. There are no Borg or Death Stars, Phasers and Blaster cannons do not exist, and we can't go faster than the speed of light. These things are all fantasy anyway. Can we sit here and SPECULATE what WOULD happen if both sides met and fought? Of course we can, but we can not say in FACT that ANYTHING we say is correct. It's entertainment, it's fun. Don't take it too seriously.
@jonbap426 Very true, TIE fighters are group attackers, they aim to swarm their opposition before they have a chance to strike. Though the Federation point defense would make that extremely difficult. If it was 10+ TIE fighters onto the damaged Akira Class Starfleet ship then I would have believed it possible. but as it is...
@seahawk3221 Star Destroyers are actually pretty powerful. Remembering the Venator Class can destroy ships with it's beam weapons in seconds. Federation was surprised too.
Tie Fighters have very powerful weapons by Federation standards, a 900 megawatt blast shot down a Runabout in DS9 "Battle Lines" and Worf nearly wet his pants at a 400 Gigawatt blast that downed the shields of the Enterprise D. TIE Fighter guns are rated at 32,000-64,000 Gigawatt.
@CherryONeil While the quality of Federation crewmen can be debated (aside from the rather abysmal crew of Voyager) the Superior Ships and Weapons belong to the Empire.
The Empire has ships that can throw around 800,000,000 megatons like it`s out of style, and absorb just as much, fly around the galaxy in a day, etc
The Feds can only dish out 24 megatons per photorp, and take a century to cross the galaxy.
@seahawk3221 that`s because they are, It`s not that the Federation is weak mind you, it`s just that the Empire is a type 3 civilization, that has 25,000 years of stellar history, the Federation is a mere Type 2, with only 300 years at the most behind it.
Thats vid is nice but surely the star destroyer shot too few laser beams. With so many turret on a SD it could easily wipe out a whole squadron of sovereigns...not to mention the super star destroyer
@fmcc0904 Since I am right your assumption is Irrelevant, we see in the films that the TIE fighter takes out far more Rebel fighters in 1 on 1 than the other way around.
Nearly all Rebel kills against TIEs are 2 on 1. and you clearly have no idea the differences between G-Canon and C-Canon.
Unless you are actually going to suggest that Star Trek is realistic, which is so laughable that you are really one to talk about someone being "classic"
@Perion Haha...well, my assumption is, at its core, that you have no life. As you sit here on this one video as if on a religious vigil and simply try to stomp out anyone you disagree with, often unjustifiably rebuking or outright ignoring entire portions to another person's viewpoint. And in that, I am right. Because you are still here, after how long? I didn't destroy your account because I wanted to experiment a bit - and here you still are. It no longer need be done. Small, sad man, indeed.
@Perion And wait...wait. I know. I already know. I'm just as lacking in a life for coming back here to find you still here. I'm sure that or a variant would make up part of your retort. So, I'll save you the trouble. That much would be true - if I were still amused/diverted by trying to argue with an idiot like yourself. But, I do have better things to do than fight over purely fictional scenarios with someone who doesn't even have a grasp of (what little) science is even involved. Take care.
@Perion I don't think. I know - since I'm going to let you stay right here on this video comment board and keep finding it so important to prove yourself right, even if it's only to yourself. Enjoy, and take care of yourself, friend.
@starflame34 Best to go by the films, where the vast majority of kills on TIE Fighters occur when rebels attack a TIE that is already chasing another rebel fighter, or is made by the Millennium falcon.
Vast majority of the time when 1 on 1, a TIE Fighter will win vs a Rebel fighter in the films, with very few exceptions.
@starflame34 It isn't because of all the vs debating on the comments section, he said that he wouldn't be making part 3 if people kept arguing over the Empire vs the Federation etc, needless to say people kept arguing.
I didn't join the comments on this video until that happened though.
@Perion Oh, good, it's you again. I missed you...Funny you'd say that, since the books (which SW has as canon) state that snubfighters can go head to head with a TIE and win...provided it's not an Advanced or Defender model, and therefore has shields. Or, as long as one of his little friends doesn't creep up behind and drain the rear shield in concert and blow it apart. Far as SW goes, the T65's only real drawback to the TIE series was maneuverability. Unless the dogfight was in atmosphere.
@jacobbratz actually the rebellion didn't put any strain on the Empire's resources, even the Death Star 2 was made without any noticable drop (hency why it was able to be built in secret) even so, 150 Acclamators would be all that's required to have the Empire rule the Federation's territory overnight.
@Perion Again I put forward the fact that the Empire was basicly brought down by less powerful forcess who had much less training and weren't as organized as the Federation. They would get hammered (like this) at first, but they would rally and fend off the Empire in the long run. All they would do is beam some tribles onto there ships, and they would lose to the cute and fuzzy again :D
Actually the Empire was not brought down by the rebels, much less the Ewoks, what did the Empire in was Vader killing palpatine.
The rebels had far greater training than the Federation, and just one of their ships can outgun the entire alpha quadrant. Even if the Rebels had 150 member worlds it would just make them sitting ducks
You also don't seem to realize that the technology gap between the Federation and the Empire is insurmountably huge, the Federation wouldn't stand a prayer.
The Empire lost because Palpatine bet the farm on turning Luke to the dark side, he had done this successfully with Anakin (Palpatine came extremely close to death in ROTS)
In a war against the Federation there is no need for any such gambit, the entire Federation can be conquered overnight by merely 150 ships (1 Acclamator per planet would more than suffice)
Also Transporters cannot beam through shields or dense materials such as neutronium, guess what Imperial ships are made out of?
@Perion With the exception of the Epirial troop who swiched (like Solo) for whatever reason, there is no way Rebels were as well trained as Star Fleet.
@Perion Because they are not held up the the same standard as the Feds. They are basicly the Maqui on a much larger scale. There are Federation people in the Maqui as well, they were founded by one, and I still wouldn't consider them as well trained. Terrorists groups never are.
@McMahonHater Not up to the same standards? please, the Rebels are at a MUCH higher standard than the Federation, just because they don't have territory or member worlds does NOT mean they are disorganized. It just means that they can't fight the Empire on equal grounds, which quite frankly virtually no one can.
We see in Return of the Jedi that the Rebellion is every bit as organized as the Federation, if not more so since they are decentralized and mobile, which requires FAR more logistics.
Actually, the Rebels have some member worlds that are friendly to them, that being the ex-planet Alderaan. Since their princess was a Rebel, as was their Senator.
That's about it though, and the Rebels never stayed there...fear of the Empire of course (and who can blame them?).
@iherduliekthem They had supporter worlds, worlds that were sympathetic, but pre-endor they had no worlds that showed the "flag" of the rebel alliance.
Actually, ship to ship there is an interesting match up. Star trek relies more on shields and high electronic systems to protect their craft with a variety of weapons whereas star wars has some shielding but generally relies more on heavy armor and weapons as a whole.
Diversity and maneuverability vs strength and endurance.
Main Weapons: 200,000 Megaton per shot Turbolasers (note they are not L.a.s.e.r.) 12 Turrets (all can fire forwards, no less than half in any other arc)
Secondary Weaons: 24 Point Defense guns, 6 megatons per shot
@Perion I suppose it is one sided. But sheer maneuverability counts for something, no?
Have a ton of those Galaxy class ships massed and it'll be a case of yamato vs. airplane armada. The Galacy ships would outmatch the acclamaters in maneuverability, especially judging they carry more firepower than tie bombers.
Secondary Armament: tail launched Concussion Missiles, 191 megatons per shot
Minelayer: 12,000 megatons per.
Defenses: unknown.
Sublight Acceleration: 2,500g
Faster than Light Top Speed: same as Acclamator
Galaxy Class handles roughly like an Acclamator in the vast majority of scenes that Show it maneuver, such as during the Battle in Generations as well as the battles in the Dominion War that they show up.
@RetrusChronum Maneuverability only counts when A) you can maneuver well enough to dodge enemy fire, which the Galaxy class is not that nimble. or B) The ship has multiple shield fields that are powered separately and it can handle some hits on one facing before it has to maneuver a fresh facing to the enemy.
the Galaxy class can do neither, 1 hit from any of the Acclamator's 12 main guns and it's done for.
@Perion sorry, while the galaxy class does have multiple shield facings/generators (7 of them each capable of handling roughly 400-475 gw) none of those would be able to withstand a turbolaser hit.
Bombers are used primarily for when the enemy uses tactic B. to get at the damaged shield field that is no longer in the line of fire, against a fully shielded starship they are next to useless unless they are armed with gigaton level proton torpedoes.
Proton torpedoes focus their energy into a pin-point on the shield, not allowing the shield to spread out the damage, effectively drilling through shielding momentarily to pierce them.
But the Federation have no such weaponry nor the means to make them (doubt they have any Baradium to work with). nor do they have gigaton level weapons outside of the Cardassian Dreadnought which is absolutely huge.
Concussion Missiles also have shaped charges, but they aren't nearly as precise.
Star Trek vs. Star Wars? Ships to Ships? No contest. Star Wars hands down! Star Trek are too fragile compared to the ships from Star Wars. Ships like the Executor and the Eclipse make just about any Star Trek ship seem tiny and weak. Then there's The Death Star. With Star Wars' proliferation of thousands upon thousands of fighter craft as well, it would be a slaughter. Star Trek has some great designs, but the sheer number and size of Star Wars' shps would win the day! May The Force Be With You!
The Excelsior is sent to fight the Destroyers while the Sovereign take the damaged Akira in a safer place? The Starfleet command has been destroyed by the Death Star, there isn't another explanation!
i like the idea and the graphics. Actually great concept, but one problem, all star bases whether old school or new are actually pretty heavily armed and can actually do a significant damage to super star destroyer. I find it funny how the ambassador class ship and the excelsior class ship just jetted out there cause they knew that they couldn't last in a fight. Great though very entertaining
@emghzkhtd A Super Star Destroyer could ram a starbase and not suffer any damage. It was made to take a heavy pounding, from entire fleets or battle stations the size of a city and come out victorious.
Even ones of the same Tech level as themselves, shame the Federation don't have anywhere near the level of firepower to scratch a Corvette let alone a Star Destroyer or Executor.
2 thing 1 how did a single tie fighter manage to destroy that ship? and 2 federation ships can't enter warp whial using there tractor beam, there structural integrity cant stand that amount of force.
Wow Star trek sucks so much! That was only one star Destroyer and they still suck!
There are way way more ships the empire has and super weapons. Wow star trek sucks and the Capital class star destroyer didn't do anything, if it did somthing i bet that over half the star trek fleet would be obliterated.
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@Perion Perion, you maintain your opinion, I'll maintain mine, and let's not argue. I've already had this kind of discussion with at least five other people so far. Besides, just because I'm a trekkie doesn't mean that I hate Star Wars, because it's actually the opposite. Star Wars introduced me to the SciFi genre. For that, it will always have a special place.
Opinion is irrelevant, as is which franchise you like, (I myself enjoy DS9 and TOS) the facts show that Imperial Technology is many order of magnitudes higher than Federation tech, not Opinion, fact.
@Perion you opion is obviously flawed transporter technology alone would kill the entire star wars fleet. everytime a fed ship sighted a star destroyer a matter/anti-matter bomb would appear on the bridge or reactor room and then BOOM!!!
b) Dense materials such as Neutronium (guess what Star Destroyers are made out of)
c) Heavy Interference (such as jamming or even a 20th century power line)
d) tractor beams can scatter the transporter beam
IE the Transporters would be useless.
Matter/antimatter weapons would splash harmlessly against Star Destroyer shields, even the Cardassian dreadnought lacks the firepower to penetrate them.
Let me put it this way, the cardassian Dreadnought has a payload of 1 ton of matter, + 1 ton of antimatter, and this is a huge deal for them, since it's the only one of it's type which more than suggests it is difficult to manufacture/requires allot of resources, which means It won't be used en mass.
because we know how much 1 kg of matter + 1 kg of antimatter releases, The Dread has no more than a yield of 43 gigatons.
That's is enough to destroy a small moon like Phobos or Deimos,
However the efficiency of this reaction is unknown, but is most certainly NOT 100%, so the actual blast will be lower in yield.
Also, even on a direct hit, only half of that goes to the target, with the rest exploding off into space, meaning the shields suffer no more than 21.5 gigatons worth.
Compare that to a single shot from just one of an Acclamator's 12 Turbolaser cannons (don't be fooled by the word 'laser' in the name, it isn't a L.a.s.e.r. at all) which carries 200 gigatons per shot.
@Perion only fact from the release of the newer star wars movie before that barely any canon existed. it way blown out of reality most scifi are and just unrealistic.
You are assuming a false motive, that these figures are just there to make star wars more powerful than other sci-fis, you have no proof to back up this claim.
they aren't "just numbers" either, any more than saying that the 50 megatons in a real life 50 megaton nuke is "just numbers".
As for "poor web site support" you'll have to be more specific in what you mean, though I have my doubts that it will be relevant.
@Perion as compared you other fans sites and cannon site my understanding is star wars is just in a recent book. Any way as fare as numbers if you take the power out put of just a turbo laser it would destroy a plants surf with that kinda energy out put yet barely kills asteroids in the movies. a 50 megaton nuke has a very set amount of power does this every time you set it off. any scifi can be this bad as well.
That's your problem you are assuming that all Turbolaser shots are at the same power, and all turbolasers are the same grade, the ones hitting the asteroids were merely point defense light guns, they only used those against the falcon because if they used the anti-ship guns the falcon would be destroyed, and Vader would be pissed.
If by "recent book" you mean 2002, it was also compiled and calculated by a man with a PHD in Theoretical astrophysics.
200 Gigatons isn't enough to destroy a planet's surface in one shot neither is 2.4 Teratons, The Chicxulub Impact that killed the dinosaurs was roughly 100 Teratons in yield, but that still isn't anywhere near enough to do a base delta zero, which reduces the entire planet's surface to molten slag in less than an hour, requiring an absolutely obscene level of firepower.
Not only that, but Planetary shields in star wars can deflect that level of firepower and well beyond.
@Perion So as this 1 1 gigaton laser so many hundreds of times in it 100 min orbit. a no shield planet dies surface wise which adds up too more the the 2.4 teratons. though their shields suck too ok so the shield can with stand the shot so what shot the surface too all side with 200 gigatons you suffocate burn out the o2 in seconds not too say burn alive anyone outside as the shields don't drop to the ground and not far away look at how slow the at at are.
first off, i'm starting to wonder if english is your first language, as I'm having a hard time understanding what you are saying, secondly you are lacking coherence quite a bit.
2.4 teratons is the amount of fire per second an Acclamator is capable of, due to it's 12 guns that each carry 200 gigatons per shot, Imperial Star Destroyers are 300x more powerful.
Planetary shields, as the name suggests, cover the entire planet above the atmosphere so no such suffocation could exist.
@The AT-ATs were slow because the glacier they were walking on wouldn't be able to handle the strain of an AT-AT going full tilt.
Theater shields such as those in Episode 1 and on Hoth do indeed drop to the ground, but slow moving, grounded vehicles can pass through them.
Planetary shields are impassible by solid objects, even ones that are slow moving, though it wouldn't matter if they were, since a slow moving ship would be a sitting duck to the defense turrets on the surface.
@Perion 1 100 mega ton destroys a 120 mile radius or 45216 SQ miles the earth has 57 million square miles of land. So you need 1261 bombs too nuke ever sq inch of the earths land. a one gig-ton laser shooting 1 every 3 seconds in 100 min would fire 2000 times. That 739 times more then is needed. remember your not shoot 1 spot like the Chicxulub Impact was you hit ever sq mile of surface. so only 126100 megatons is needed too nukes the earths surface or 126.1 gigatons
You still don't get it, There's a difference between nuking the entire surface and reducing it to a molten slag, BIG difference, in fact nuking the entire earth surface would still not be anywhere near enough to wipe out all life on it, there would still be fish and insects.
A Base Delta Zero doesn't just wipe out all life on a planet, it melts the crust, atomizes the topsoil and blasts the atmosphere clear off.
you need a helluva lot more than a few hundred gigatons to do that.
@Perion but see a Base Delta Zero is pointless all you need is too wipe out civilization anything is wasted resources too do and too use unless mining. Basically it be like our nukes too us they wipe out every planet that could support life. these weapon would never be made because it be easier too move a big rock at a planet if you wanted it destroyed. once again make scfi entertainment. then though canon number over kill. so back too the point the only way too judge 2 sci-fi is popularity.
The empire controls a galaxy, the resources of 1 planet is insignificant.
The fact that they DO have those weapons bitchslaps your "easier to move big rock" and "this weapon would never be made" bullshit, the weapons WERE made they Exsist in the SW galaxy.
Moron, if you wan't to judge by popularity, SW has made more money than all the Trek movies/series/toys combined. You just shot yourself in the foot.
@blacksun2175 your thinking ores as far as life when 1 SD can wipe life too smaller then cats it can't support life for hundreds of years of human size. With so many SD and rebels with equals the 100 to a max of 1000 life supporting planets could be wiped out in 1 day. I'm not supporting trek retard. i saying their numbers are bs and unrealistic. oh in space it easy too move things not stuck in a orbit a tiny bit of math and you could make a course to get stuck in any orbit.
@blacksun2175 So first he just wrote power that was needed not if a design like that could do it.Then super tart as perion pointed you need alot more power then 1 SD melt a surface but your saying 25k the lowest right super tart. that means though 1000 life sustaining plants are doomed. right super tart? you only need 1 too kill a planet.Man super tart your just lost in this convo. By the way super even with the coldest gas pooring onto that laser lens it still melts in micro seconds.
The sith galactic empire combined with the yuuzhon vong would wipe out the federation
maurice21781 2 days ago
there is NO WAY a tie-fighter can take out an Akira class starship with 3 shots
seahawk3221 1 week ago
So perion is saying that the destruction of a planet, and BILLIONS of people is NOTHING?
tuvok449 3 weeks ago
talking baout the bad guys i would feel sorry for the empire when the borg comes into the fray reistance is futile
staticmunk7777 2 months ago
@staticmunk7777 Assimilation is futile, I feel sorry for the borg.
Perion 1 month ago
@Perion they did indeed show how powerful they are even standing down the hrogen but only 3 species were able to ebst them humans, 8472 and the Q, judgeing by the sorry technology the empire has even the kazon would belt vaders armies
staticmunk7777 4 weeks ago
@staticmunk7777 Clearly you don't know how powerful the Empire is, They have had faster than light travel for tens of thousands of years, control millions of worlds (compared to the federation having only 150 member worlds) and have quadrillions of troops at least.
On top of that they have Hyperdrive (takes hours to days to cross the galaxy), which is faster than Slipstream (takes months) which is faster than Borg shipborne Transwarp (Voy:Hope and Fear) Oh and as for firepower, boy howdy.
Perion 4 weeks ago
A Federation Photon torpedo has, at best, a yield equivalent to 24 megatons. Quantum torpedoes are no more than twice this yield. A single medium turbolaser blast from an Acclamator transport (not even a dedicated warship) carries a yield equivalent to 200,000 megatons. It carries 12 such weapons, and it's rate of fire is roughly 1 shot every 2 seconds or so. Since it's a dropship, it's shields are far more powerful than it's weapons systems.
Perion 4 weeks ago
Oh and this Dropship is larger than a galaxy class starship, with a neutronium impregnated hull. A Galaxy class cannot even enter a planet's atmosphere without separating the saucer first, otherwise it would sag and tear itself apart under it's own weight.
We know that through sufficient firepower, borg ships can be heavily damaged or even destroyed regardless of adaptation (First Contact) and that's from a fleet no larger than 60 ships, who took 50% casualties and still had torpedoes left.
Perion 4 weeks ago
A single shot from an Acclamator would not only be able to destroy any ship in any fleet of the Dominion War, but it would also easily obliterate a Species 8472 ship (Borg weapons can harm them, which means Imperial weapons will kill them.) Also, since I sincerely doubt the Federation fired 8,000 photon torpedoes into the Borg Cube, a single shot would toast a cube as well. All that assuming the Borg could even adapt to Imperial weapons, which there is considerable evidence that they cannot.
Perion 4 weeks ago
Imperial weapons don't operate on coherent wave forms, meaning they don't have a set frequency that can be matched, which means the Borg cannot adapt. This also means that a 24 megaton blast of such energy could obliterate a borg cube, consider how much damage 3 phaser blasts did to a cube before it adapted, now imagine what would have happened had they fired a photon torpedo instead. Bye bye cube. Now imagine the Borg unable to adapt, it would look allot like a Transphasic impact wouldn't it?
Perion 4 weeks ago
Even if the Borg COULD adapt to their weapons, they are sufficiently powerful to blow through their defences anyhow, hell even if it took roughly 8,000 torpedoes to kill the cube in First Contact (it probably only took dozens to little over a hundred) the equivalent of 1,000 torpedoes or less would do it, due to the energies concentrated in a single bolt rather than a series of explosions, so the energy is applied all at once and in a much smaller area.
Perion 4 weeks ago
The Empire are also known to use Mass Drivers, Concussion weapons, personal and mounted Railguns, even Slugthrowers. As the Borg have always shown a vulnerability to physical impacts, these weapons would prove devastatingly effective for absurdly cheap and simple manufacture as well as low power generation requirements, hell so cheap and simple the Federation could do it, but the Federation are incapable of doing anything that doesn't require overcomplicated technology.
Perion 4 weeks ago
@Perion oh i know but i agree with you the one thing is i fear they might assimilate a few ships and they take the technology and adapt immediately thats why they all should join forces rebels empire and federation and fully take out the truest evil at once but is till have to admit the borg are the craftiest of all even on the last episode of voyager the old janeway used thier own tricks against them and they assimilated a virus that was thier end til one bloomin ship adapted i
staticmunk7777 4 weeks ago
@staticmunk7777 immediately and got blown form within and i know of the empire firepower they use the deathstar on one cube but then all the reta djsut shileds and adapt then another thing empire dont have transporters within an hour the deathstar would be fully assimilated with nanoprobes
staticmunk7777 4 weeks ago
@staticmunk7777 again you don't understand how either the borg or the empire work, A) the Death Star isn't even necessary, B) if they did use the DS then it's not the main gun that's the problem, it's all the many thousands of surface guns, each of which powerful enough to waste a Borg cube in one shot. C) Did you read the rest of my posts? I clearly explained why the Borg would not be able to adapt and even if they did, they would still be killed in one shot each.
Perion 4 weeks ago
Adaptation only means an increased level of effectiveness, it does NOT make them invincible or unstoppable against what they adapted to. Up against the power of imperial weapons (not even taking into account the planet buster gun) that increase is only academic. So even if they could adapt (which as I've established they cannot) It wouldn't make any difference whatsoever.
Perion 4 weeks ago
Adaptation is NOT a super power, and as for the mechanism the borg use to adapt a more accurate term would be optimization, by matching frequency with a phase coherent wave form such as Phasers or Federation Shields, they can maximize the effectiveness of their shields and weapons against them, if they encounter weapons that are phase incoherent, such as the Empire's Shields and Weapons, then there is no way to adapt as there is no set frequency to match.
Perion 4 weeks ago
@staticmunk7777 I don't think there's anything to fear about the Borg assimilating Imperial technology, given the known limitations of Borg assimilation and adaptation capabilities displayed throughout the franchise, as well as the sheer level of technology the Empire has. Borg are tactically speaking the most inept race in trek.
Perion 4 weeks ago
@Perion i agree with you on that but they sure can do a lot of damage but the hirogen on the other hand is another story
staticmunk7777 3 weeks ago
@staticmunk7777 The Hirogen for the most part would give the Empire a wide berth, Hunting a dangerous prey is one thing, hunting a nigh invulnerable prey that can obliterate you before you can get close is another.
Perion 3 weeks ago
@Perion how many of voyager have you seen one episode the hirogen hunted 8472 which by far is much more dangerous than the empire for they wanted to purge the galaxy of all life and 8472 has the power to do it but yet still they hunted it anyhow no matter how many were killed by just one 8472.
staticmunk7777 3 weeks ago
@staticmunk7777 I've seen all of Voyager and The Undine (8472) aren't anywhere near as dangerous as the Empire. By Imperial standards, blowing up a Borg Cube in one or a handfull of voleys is nothing special, what's more, is that Borg weapons are capable of harming Undine ships, Borg weapons would not be capable of harming Imperial vessels. The only thing the Undine have ever done that's worth the Empire's attention is their planet buster. Even that isn't as big of a deal as one might think.
Perion 3 weeks ago
They use a dedicated, vulnerable formation surrounding a specialized vessel that, if lost, nullifies that ability. Also it uses a chain reaction based attack, which makes it ineffective against Planetary shields, that the Empire are known to protect their worlds with. Also the Undine tendency to go into a full retreat after taking only a dozen casualties would mean that after the Empire smacks them around for a while they'll high-tail it back to fluidic space.
Perion 3 weeks ago
@Perion thats what hundreds thought themselves til they were taken down
staticmunk7777 3 weeks ago
@staticmunk7777 Hundreds of what?
Perion 3 weeks ago
@Perion species of beings with grand technologies but no worries witht he new empire under a good ruler the new empire will defeat all evil who will come to face them
staticmunk7777 3 weeks ago
@staticmunk7777 now you're not even making any sense, the only races in Star Trek who could stand a chance against the Empire wouldn't care what they do with the galaxy.
Perion 3 weeks ago
@Perion The Organians care about galactic politics.
Idazmi7 2 weeks ago
@Perion Except the Empire could not hurt the Undine, only deus-ex-nilo weapons from the future do that.
The Empire has no weapons that useful against Undine: Borg nanoprobes and Transphasic torpedoes are Star Trek weapons, not Star Wars.
Idazmi7 2 weeks ago
@Perion Furthermore, Imperial Star destroyers don't demonstrate that kind of power anywhere.
Idazmi7 2 weeks ago
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xpectry 2 months ago
Love the first two, as I stated in previous posts, if the two franchises ever came together it would end up something like this
MrKellG 4 months ago
is there part three?
kezar123456 5 months ago
@kezar123456 No. There will never be a part 3. The guy that made this is scared because of all the hate mail he received from psychotic Star Wars fans.
jackflak1979 3 months ago
oh please it's just mail it's not like it will come out of the screen and shoot you in the face.
MrHoppers002 1 month ago
who wins?
kezar123456 5 months ago
I think it's rather intrieging pitting the Galactic Empire against The United Federation of Planets. Question, however..... Are you contemplating having the Klingons, Romulans or Cardassians enter the conflict? Maybe not together or all at once, but pitting Empire against Empire. Perhaps starting with the Klingons.
DBro65 5 months ago
Not bad. Would have liked to seen more from that station I think that model is supposed to be armed to the teeth
MrKellG 6 months ago
I love the two videos.. what happen to the Part 3..
Friend4Benefits 6 months ago
Where the Federation would lose that war is in the numbers. The Galactic Empire has vastly more resources to commit to such an engagement. They control thousands of worlds, spanning an entire galaxy. The Federation occupies portions of two quadrants, and is hemmed in by other naval powers on par with themselves. In a stand-up fight my money's on the Federation, because their ships are faster, and they can teleport. But in a protracted conflict, Galactic Empire all the way.
thegreatneechi 6 months ago
@thegreatneechi closer to millions of worlds actually, and Imperial ships are actually the faster ones, a Class 1 Hyperdrive (the standard Imperial Hyperdrive on their warships) is roughly 50x faster than Slipstream, which already is 1,000x faster than warp. Transporters can be blocked through shielding, dense materials and the aformentioned ECM, all of which are present in spades on Imperial ships.
Perion 6 months ago
This Is Dam Cool .!!!! Great Job,!!!!
Beatlesfanize 8 months ago
Darn good for 2007 animation software.
Phantron001 8 months ago
This is very well done :O I'm impressed with your animation skills and I hope you continue to make more of these.
GianniAerts 8 months ago
One thing I always noticed, the trek fans love showing Phasers hitting Tie Fighters and other ships of that size, but haven't they missed much LARGER and SLOWER ships in the series a few times? If that's the case, how the hell could they hope to hit something as small and fast as a star wars fighter?
chiconspiracy 8 months ago
@chiconspiracy Yeah I know, not to mention the fact that TIE Fighters have rather impressive ECM capabilities, I doubt they would be able to get a lock even if the TIE was standing still.
Perion 8 months ago
@Perion Not really buying that one. The instances where phaser beam arrays have missed are usually cases of human error and environmental conditions. Federation sensors are far too sophisticated to foiled by the low-power ECM packages carried by TIE fighters, which are designed as counter measures against other fighters, not capital ships. In a universe where all direct fire weapons are still mounted on turrets (or spinal), certainly a fast moving fighter poses a threat, but not in Star Trek.
thegreatneechi 6 months ago
@thegreatneechi No we've seen Phaser arrays miss allot in combat conditions, we've never even heard of ECM used in Trek to any great deal, certainly not any that cause spacial distortions. TIE Fighter ECM packages are designed to protect against target locks, regardless of the source.
Turrets are superior to fixed emplacements like those used in Trek, could you imagine how much the lethality of a Federation ship would be improved if they mounted Photon Torpedo launchers on turrets?
Perion 6 months ago
@thegreatneechi We see Fighters as being quite cost effective in the Dominion War, the Peregrine Fighters are able to evade fire (though some still get hit now and then) and cause crippling damage to Galor class vessels.
Perion 6 months ago
Sorry to disappoint but the tactics and fire power was a bit dumbed down on the starfeet side . Don't get me wrong but starfleet weapons would have done more damage than what is shown. The graphics look good and all but come on make it a good fight not a slaughter.
admspace 8 months ago
It's all a little dark, hard to follow some of it. The tie fighter blowing up the akira class ship was hilarious btw.
uni4rm 9 months ago
@uni4rm It's funny because it's true.
Perion 9 months ago
personaly i like star trek better than star wars it has a better story
raiuzumaki 9 months ago
Why don't you finish this?
adamcrook2010 9 months ago
Death Star FTW
SodaBomb93 10 months ago
Trooper: Hey, Darth, there's another ship entering the rift and it's not ours.
Darth: Identify it.
Trooper: Ohhhhh Crud, it's the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 WITH KIRK IN COMMAND!!!
Darth: All hands! Retreat! Retreat!
Kirk: Mr. Spock launch our new heat seeking torpedoes you and Dr. McCoy created.
(Several torpedoes are launched and hit the tail pipe on all the vessels.)
Uhura: Captain, I have direct orders from starfleet. We are to put back to space dock immediately, to be decommissioned....
thefinalfrontier1701 11 months ago
@thefinalfrontier1701
Kirk: -____-
Kirk: After all of this, after we destroy one of their worst enemies... They reward us with... this?
McCoy: Now that's gratitude for you.
Spock: Let me remind you captain that the age of this vessel-
Kirk: Blast your logic Spock, Chekhov, plot a course into that rift.
Spock: Sir, let me remind you that the odds of one vessel against an entire empire are-
McCoy: Spock, your the only person I know who can be so pessimistic...
thefinalfrontier1701 11 months ago
thefinalfrontier1701 11 months ago
@thefinalfrontier1701
Kirk: Take this crewmember to the firing squad.
Crewmember: Yes captain.
(Troi is set on fire and burns to death. All the while stating she felt frustration and anger from everyone on board.)
Kirk: Now, where were we, ah yes, Mr. Hawk, set a course for the Galactic Empire, Maximum warp.
Checkov: Sir, my name is-
Kirk: I know what your name is, but Mr. Hawk sounds more flavorful.
Checkov: Actually sir, the hawk was invented by Russians.
Kirk: -___-
thefinalfrontier1701 11 months ago
@thefinalfrontier1701
Kirk: Theres plenty of room for more "Worthless crewmembers" on my list...
Checkov: Right away sir. Course laid in and set.
Kirk: Engage.
Spock: Were you referring to the epic voice of Captain Picard?
Kirk: Well, it did sound a bit more epic.
Spock: Indeed.
(Enterprise goes to warp and... you can guess what happened.)
thefinalfrontier1701 11 months ago
i noticed that it is always the tie fighter that attacks the ships when its sopposed to be the tie bombers since they were made to attack large ships while the tie fighters attack enemy fighters to protect the bombers.
sebastiandouse 11 months ago
Somehow, I want to make a very amateur (whenever I hear amateur I thin of either wrestling or pornography; pardon the tangent) fan film of Jedi vs. Vulcans. I believe the Vulcans would win, and this fan film would show the logic versus the instinct. I believe it would very interesting and fun to put on.
jonbap426 1 year ago
lol I like how people are actually comparing this....
Anyhow, this is what I think: No matter how powerful the lazers are from the Empire, they're still LAZERS. Light. Deflector shields part light, even if it's coherent. So, this is what I'd consider a suitable conversation about a federeation ship: "Captain, they're firing LAZERS at us. And they don't even have main shelds!" "How quaint. Beam a photon torpedo onto their bridge."
NtropyPyroductions 1 year ago
@NtropyPyroductions
It really depends on how you look at it really. Lasers is really just a name, doesn't describe how powerful the energy yield is on them, remembering the Republic/Empire has stood for other 4000 years. While true enough looking at it you can expect the federation to have some advantages in the area of technology, However considering the size of both the ships the Empire can mass produce + the size of their armies from the mass production I'd say that makes up...
TheTotalRandomness 1 year ago
@TheTotalRandomness Not only that, but they have very different characteristics from L.a.s.e.r.s.
and they most certainly have "main shields" that hug the hull.
Perion 1 year ago
I have the ultimate end-all to the flame war. The Borg take over a Star Destroyer (Hey, if Luke and Han can do, I think the Borg can too, Star Wars enimies are extremely ditsy, look at the storm troopers) they assimilate the entire ship, download the technology, become as strong as the Empire, and wipe them out as well as the Federation. Did the Federation die as well? Yes. Did Star Trek universe still win? Yes. There ya go. Now everyone shut up. XD
Valkier071 1 year ago
@Valkier071 since when did Luke and Han take over a Star Destroyer? the most I saw them do was break Leia out of prison and escape, which is exactly what the Empire wanted them to do so they could track their ship to the base that they had spent the entire movie up to that point searching for.
Borg assimilation has limits, there are various things they cannot assimilate or adapt to throughout the Trek franchise, interestingly enough, the Empire possesses every one of these or something better.
Perion 1 year ago
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@Perion The fact still remains that all of these 'weapons' both sides have simply do not exist in real life at all. There are no Borg or Death Stars, Phasers and Blaster cannons do not exist, and we can't go faster than the speed of light. These things are all fantasy anyway. Can we sit here and SPECULATE what WOULD happen if both sides met and fought? Of course we can, but we can not say in FACT that ANYTHING we say is correct. It's entertainment, it's fun. Don't take it too seriously.
Valkier071 1 year ago
Yeah, the fact that a tie fighter blew up a damaged Starfleet vessel is a little farfetched.
jonbap426 1 year ago
@jonbap426 Very true, TIE fighters are group attackers, they aim to swarm their opposition before they have a chance to strike. Though the Federation point defense would make that extremely difficult. If it was 10+ TIE fighters onto the damaged Akira Class Starfleet ship then I would have believed it possible. but as it is...
@seahawk3221 Star Destroyers are actually pretty powerful. Remembering the Venator Class can destroy ships with it's beam weapons in seconds. Federation was surprised too.
TheTotalRandomness 1 year ago
Tie Fighters have very powerful weapons by Federation standards, a 900 megawatt blast shot down a Runabout in DS9 "Battle Lines" and Worf nearly wet his pants at a 400 Gigawatt blast that downed the shields of the Enterprise D. TIE Fighter guns are rated at 32,000-64,000 Gigawatt.
Perion 1 year ago
Star Fleet could crush the empire in a matter of days. Superior Ships, crew and weapons. Resistance is futile!
CherryONeil 1 year ago
@CherryONeil While the quality of Federation crewmen can be debated (aside from the rather abysmal crew of Voyager) the Superior Ships and Weapons belong to the Empire.
The Empire has ships that can throw around 800,000,000 megatons like it`s out of style, and absorb just as much, fly around the galaxy in a day, etc
The Feds can only dish out 24 megatons per photorp, and take a century to cross the galaxy.
Assimilation is futile
Perion 1 year ago
OH COMMON!!!!!
a tie-fighter can't destroy an Akira-class starship with just 2 shots....
plus you're making the federation fleet seem kinda wimpy against the star destroyers.
seahawk3221 1 year ago
@seahawk3221 that`s because they are, It`s not that the Federation is weak mind you, it`s just that the Empire is a type 3 civilization, that has 25,000 years of stellar history, the Federation is a mere Type 2, with only 300 years at the most behind it.
Perion 1 year ago
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@Perion Shut up you troll. You have no life, you have no job, and you insist on forcing your star wars bullcrap on us.
thefinalfrontier1701 2 months ago
Thats vid is nice but surely the star destroyer shot too few laser beams. With so many turret on a SD it could easily wipe out a whole squadron of sovereigns...not to mention the super star destroyer
Zappina 1 year ago
@Zappina except it is underpowered when compared to Sovereign class
Picard578 1 year ago
Captain Picard would destroy Vader. The end.
Fightosaurus 1 year ago
It's all really a flawed match-up. Star Wars is sci-fi fantasy. Star Trek is sci-fi. They don't even occupy the same genre.
fmcc0904 1 year ago
@fmcc0904 uh, they are both Sci-Fi, and Star Trek has even more fantasy elements than Star Wars, all masquerading under technobable and Pretention.
Star Wars is just more honest about it.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion You just love arguing, even when you're wrong, don't you? You're just classic! lol
fmcc0904 1 year ago
@fmcc0904 Since I am right your assumption is Irrelevant, we see in the films that the TIE fighter takes out far more Rebel fighters in 1 on 1 than the other way around.
Nearly all Rebel kills against TIEs are 2 on 1. and you clearly have no idea the differences between G-Canon and C-Canon.
Unless you are actually going to suggest that Star Trek is realistic, which is so laughable that you are really one to talk about someone being "classic"
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Haha...well, my assumption is, at its core, that you have no life. As you sit here on this one video as if on a religious vigil and simply try to stomp out anyone you disagree with, often unjustifiably rebuking or outright ignoring entire portions to another person's viewpoint. And in that, I am right. Because you are still here, after how long? I didn't destroy your account because I wanted to experiment a bit - and here you still are. It no longer need be done. Small, sad man, indeed.
fmcc0904 1 year ago
@Perion And wait...wait. I know. I already know. I'm just as lacking in a life for coming back here to find you still here. I'm sure that or a variant would make up part of your retort. So, I'll save you the trouble. That much would be true - if I were still amused/diverted by trying to argue with an idiot like yourself. But, I do have better things to do than fight over purely fictional scenarios with someone who doesn't even have a grasp of (what little) science is even involved. Take care.
fmcc0904 1 year ago
@fmcc0904 lmao, thanks I needed a good laugh like that, it's so cute that you think you are in any way superior to me.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion I don't think. I know - since I'm going to let you stay right here on this video comment board and keep finding it so important to prove yourself right, even if it's only to yourself. Enjoy, and take care of yourself, friend.
fmcc0904 1 year ago
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@fmcc0904 lmfao you keep telling yourself that, so much for you having better things to do.
Perion 1 year ago
Ok it's been 3 years. Where the hell is part 3????>
jackflak1979 1 year ago
Dude this is pretty good. Good job. Go star trek!
AurumenK 1 year ago
Damn dude you made space too damn dark
Wheeljack35 1 year ago
i spotted an nx class (AKA, upside down akira.) but i dont understand. AND PLEASE MAKE A THIRD VIDEO.
TitanLover8011 1 year ago
@TitanLover8011 you sure it wasn't just an Akira flying upside down?
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion why do you think i said aka upside down akira
TitanLover8011 1 year ago
god, why does everyone got to pick on those tie fighters, just cause their so easy to destroy!?
starflame34 1 year ago
@starflame34 They're not that easy, they're fast, maneuverable, and have considerable ECM.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion it's hard for me to tell because i played lot's of star wars games, and the ties are either good or horrible depending on the game.
starflame34 1 year ago
@starflame34 Best to go by the films, where the vast majority of kills on TIE Fighters occur when rebels attack a TIE that is already chasing another rebel fighter, or is made by the Millennium falcon.
Vast majority of the time when 1 on 1, a TIE Fighter will win vs a Rebel fighter in the films, with very few exceptions.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion ok i guess that's true, but now im just pissed that part 3 hasn't come out yet! Is it coming soon or what!?
starflame34 1 year ago
@starflame34 It isn't because of all the vs debating on the comments section, he said that he wouldn't be making part 3 if people kept arguing over the Empire vs the Federation etc, needless to say people kept arguing.
I didn't join the comments on this video until that happened though.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Oh, good, it's you again. I missed you...Funny you'd say that, since the books (which SW has as canon) state that snubfighters can go head to head with a TIE and win...provided it's not an Advanced or Defender model, and therefore has shields. Or, as long as one of his little friends doesn't creep up behind and drain the rear shield in concert and blow it apart. Far as SW goes, the T65's only real drawback to the TIE series was maneuverability. Unless the dogfight was in atmosphere.
fmcc0904 1 year ago
@fmcc0904the Books are C-Canon, the Films are G-Canon, G-Canon overrides C-Canon, and in G-Canon TIEs nearly always win 1 on 1.
Perion 1 year ago
Why did the starbase not defend itself?
keepinlow 1 year ago
Amazing vid. I hope you work in the effects dept of a major effects company, if not your talents are being wasted!
pkman11 1 year ago
This may be true but the fedirason has one solid avantige...
Thay are not qwelling a repleon that is stranig thare resorses.
jacobbratz 1 year ago
@jacobbratz actually the rebellion didn't put any strain on the Empire's resources, even the Death Star 2 was made without any noticable drop (hency why it was able to be built in secret) even so, 150 Acclamators would be all that's required to have the Empire rule the Federation's territory overnight.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Again I put forward the fact that the Empire was basicly brought down by less powerful forcess who had much less training and weren't as organized as the Federation. They would get hammered (like this) at first, but they would rally and fend off the Empire in the long run. All they would do is beam some tribles onto there ships, and they would lose to the cute and fuzzy again :D
McMahonHater 1 year ago
Actually the Empire was not brought down by the rebels, much less the Ewoks, what did the Empire in was Vader killing palpatine.
The rebels had far greater training than the Federation, and just one of their ships can outgun the entire alpha quadrant. Even if the Rebels had 150 member worlds it would just make them sitting ducks
You also don't seem to realize that the technology gap between the Federation and the Empire is insurmountably huge, the Federation wouldn't stand a prayer.
Perion 1 year ago
The Empire lost because Palpatine bet the farm on turning Luke to the dark side, he had done this successfully with Anakin (Palpatine came extremely close to death in ROTS)
In a war against the Federation there is no need for any such gambit, the entire Federation can be conquered overnight by merely 150 ships (1 Acclamator per planet would more than suffice)
Also Transporters cannot beam through shields or dense materials such as neutronium, guess what Imperial ships are made out of?
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion With the exception of the Epirial troop who swiched (like Solo) for whatever reason, there is no way Rebels were as well trained as Star Fleet.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater based on what exactly?
Also the majority of the Rebel leadership are ex-imperial, and brought that training to their troops.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Because they are not held up the the same standard as the Feds. They are basicly the Maqui on a much larger scale. There are Federation people in the Maqui as well, they were founded by one, and I still wouldn't consider them as well trained. Terrorists groups never are.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater Not up to the same standards? please, the Rebels are at a MUCH higher standard than the Federation, just because they don't have territory or member worlds does NOT mean they are disorganized. It just means that they can't fight the Empire on equal grounds, which quite frankly virtually no one can.
We see in Return of the Jedi that the Rebellion is every bit as organized as the Federation, if not more so since they are decentralized and mobile, which requires FAR more logistics.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Point to you sir.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@Perion
Actually, the Rebels have some member worlds that are friendly to them, that being the ex-planet Alderaan. Since their princess was a Rebel, as was their Senator.
That's about it though, and the Rebels never stayed there...fear of the Empire of course (and who can blame them?).
iherduliekthem 1 year ago
@iherduliekthem They had supporter worlds, worlds that were sympathetic, but pre-endor they had no worlds that showed the "flag" of the rebel alliance.
Perion 1 year ago
Interesting thought. Does anyone now if a Star Trek space station has more than one entrance/exit?
Steve17010 1 year ago
Actually, ship to ship there is an interesting match up. Star trek relies more on shields and high electronic systems to protect their craft with a variety of weapons whereas star wars has some shielding but generally relies more on heavy armor and weapons as a whole.
Diversity and maneuverability vs strength and endurance.
RetrusChronum 1 year ago
@RetrusChronum actually if you compare what both ships are capable of the advantage is obscenely in favour of the Empire.
Compare these stats.
Galaxy Class Ship
Length: 641 meters.
Main Weapons: 24 megaton per shot photon torpedoes, 2 launchers. (1 fore, 1 aft)
Secondary Weapons: 12 Type X Phasers, 3.6 GW on their largest arrays.
Defenses: 3,311 GW peak shields, Duranium/Tritanium 9cm hull.
Sublight Acceleration: 1,000g
Faster than light top speed: 1,000c
Perion 1 year ago
To these
Acclamator Class Troop Transport
Length: 752 Meters
Main Weapons: 200,000 Megaton per shot Turbolasers (note they are not L.a.s.e.r.) 12 Turrets (all can fire forwards, no less than half in any other arc)
Secondary Weaons: 24 Point Defense guns, 6 megatons per shot
Defenses: 70,000,000,000,000 GW peak Shields, Carbon/Neutronium/Meleenium/Zersium 500cm hull
Subliight Acceleration: 3,500g
Faster than Light Top Speed: 50,000,000c - 100,000,000c
Kinda one sided ain't it?
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion I suppose it is one sided. But sheer maneuverability counts for something, no?
Have a ton of those Galaxy class ships massed and it'll be a case of yamato vs. airplane armada. The Galacy ships would outmatch the acclamaters in maneuverability, especially judging they carry more firepower than tie bombers.
RetrusChronum 1 year ago
@RetrusChronum actually.
Slave 1
Length: 8m
Primary Armament: Two Lasers 64,000gw
Secondary Armament: tail launched Concussion Missiles, 191 megatons per shot
Minelayer: 12,000 megatons per.
Defenses: unknown.
Sublight Acceleration: 2,500g
Faster than Light Top Speed: same as Acclamator
Galaxy Class handles roughly like an Acclamator in the vast majority of scenes that Show it maneuver, such as during the Battle in Generations as well as the battles in the Dominion War that they show up.
Perion 1 year ago
@RetrusChronum Maneuverability only counts when A) you can maneuver well enough to dodge enemy fire, which the Galaxy class is not that nimble. or B) The ship has multiple shield fields that are powered separately and it can handle some hits on one facing before it has to maneuver a fresh facing to the enemy.
the Galaxy class can do neither, 1 hit from any of the Acclamator's 12 main guns and it's done for.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion sorry, while the galaxy class does have multiple shield facings/generators (7 of them each capable of handling roughly 400-475 gw) none of those would be able to withstand a turbolaser hit.
Bombers are used primarily for when the enemy uses tactic B. to get at the damaged shield field that is no longer in the line of fire, against a fully shielded starship they are next to useless unless they are armed with gigaton level proton torpedoes.
Perion 1 year ago
Proton torpedoes focus their energy into a pin-point on the shield, not allowing the shield to spread out the damage, effectively drilling through shielding momentarily to pierce them.
But the Federation have no such weaponry nor the means to make them (doubt they have any Baradium to work with). nor do they have gigaton level weapons outside of the Cardassian Dreadnought which is absolutely huge.
Concussion Missiles also have shaped charges, but they aren't nearly as precise.
Perion 1 year ago
Star Trek vs. Star Wars? Ships to Ships? No contest. Star Wars hands down! Star Trek are too fragile compared to the ships from Star Wars. Ships like the Executor and the Eclipse make just about any Star Trek ship seem tiny and weak. Then there's The Death Star. With Star Wars' proliferation of thousands upon thousands of fighter craft as well, it would be a slaughter. Star Trek has some great designs, but the sheer number and size of Star Wars' shps would win the day! May The Force Be With You!
CarnorJast1138 1 year ago
The Excelsior is sent to fight the Destroyers while the Sovereign take the damaged Akira in a safer place? The Starfleet command has been destroyed by the Death Star, there isn't another explanation!
ilania95 1 year ago
I have the feeling part 3 will never be made...
TheJoseph4774 1 year ago 2
i like the idea and the graphics. Actually great concept, but one problem, all star bases whether old school or new are actually pretty heavily armed and can actually do a significant damage to super star destroyer. I find it funny how the ambassador class ship and the excelsior class ship just jetted out there cause they knew that they couldn't last in a fight. Great though very entertaining
emghzkhtd 1 year ago
@emghzkhtd A Super Star Destroyer could ram a starbase and not suffer any damage. It was made to take a heavy pounding, from entire fleets or battle stations the size of a city and come out victorious.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
Even ones of the same Tech level as themselves, shame the Federation don't have anywhere near the level of firepower to scratch a Corvette let alone a Star Destroyer or Executor.
Perion 1 year ago
One problem with this video...Star Bases are armed contrary to popular belief and they make most star ships look like play things, just saying.
Iriticus1 1 year ago
Ghetto Edit "Special ed"
blacksun2175 1 year ago
2 thing 1 how did a single tie fighter manage to destroy that ship? and 2 federation ships can't enter warp whial using there tractor beam, there structural integrity cant stand that amount of force.
IBioPoxI 1 year ago
Because while the firepower of a Tie/ln or Tie/I isn't much by imperial standards, it's enormous by federation ones.
Perion 1 year ago
@IBioPoxI Warping while using a tractor beam is possible, but extremely difficult. TNG: Final Mission and TNG: The Emissary.
thefinalfrontier1701 2 months ago
Wow Star trek sucks so much! That was only one star Destroyer and they still suck!
There are way way more ships the empire has and super weapons. Wow star trek sucks and the Capital class star destroyer didn't do anything, if it did somthing i bet that over half the star trek fleet would be obliterated.
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soundmixer6393 1 year ago
I just dont get it why this SSD is nto shooting the ships,only the station 2 times?!
akotarakz 1 year ago
In this fight, there's a good chance the Klingon Empire would help. They have Sovereign classes, so it should be the right era.
Vehementi 1 year ago
wouldn't matter, a single Acclamator outguns the entire Alpha Quadrant.
Perion 1 year ago
Interesting. I'll assume that the destroyed Akira was the one that was in spacedock for repairs.
Atowntrekkie 1 year ago
you would be mistaken, especially in your blind assumption that fed tech is superior.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Perion, you maintain your opinion, I'll maintain mine, and let's not argue. I've already had this kind of discussion with at least five other people so far. Besides, just because I'm a trekkie doesn't mean that I hate Star Wars, because it's actually the opposite. Star Wars introduced me to the SciFi genre. For that, it will always have a special place.
Atowntrekkie 1 year ago
Opinion is irrelevant, as is which franchise you like, (I myself enjoy DS9 and TOS) the facts show that Imperial Technology is many order of magnitudes higher than Federation tech, not Opinion, fact.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion you opion is obviously flawed transporter technology alone would kill the entire star wars fleet. everytime a fed ship sighted a star destroyer a matter/anti-matter bomb would appear on the bridge or reactor room and then BOOM!!!
woofdogmeow 1 year ago
You seem to be forgetting a very important fact.
They can't beam through
a) Shields
b) Dense materials such as Neutronium (guess what Star Destroyers are made out of)
c) Heavy Interference (such as jamming or even a 20th century power line)
d) tractor beams can scatter the transporter beam
IE the Transporters would be useless.
Matter/antimatter weapons would splash harmlessly against Star Destroyer shields, even the Cardassian dreadnought lacks the firepower to penetrate them.
Perion 1 year ago
Let me put it this way, the cardassian Dreadnought has a payload of 1 ton of matter, + 1 ton of antimatter, and this is a huge deal for them, since it's the only one of it's type which more than suggests it is difficult to manufacture/requires allot of resources, which means It won't be used en mass.
because we know how much 1 kg of matter + 1 kg of antimatter releases, The Dread has no more than a yield of 43 gigatons.
That's is enough to destroy a small moon like Phobos or Deimos,
Perion 1 year ago
However the efficiency of this reaction is unknown, but is most certainly NOT 100%, so the actual blast will be lower in yield.
Also, even on a direct hit, only half of that goes to the target, with the rest exploding off into space, meaning the shields suffer no more than 21.5 gigatons worth.
Compare that to a single shot from just one of an Acclamator's 12 Turbolaser cannons (don't be fooled by the word 'laser' in the name, it isn't a L.a.s.e.r. at all) which carries 200 gigatons per shot.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion only fact from the release of the newer star wars movie before that barely any canon existed. it way blown out of reality most scifi are and just unrealistic.
starknight97 1 year ago
The realism is irrelevant, the stats are what they are.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion thier just number though out too bet everyone else numbers. hell star wars even has poor web site support for their numbers by their fans.
starknight97 1 year ago
You are assuming a false motive, that these figures are just there to make star wars more powerful than other sci-fis, you have no proof to back up this claim.
they aren't "just numbers" either, any more than saying that the 50 megatons in a real life 50 megaton nuke is "just numbers".
As for "poor web site support" you'll have to be more specific in what you mean, though I have my doubts that it will be relevant.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion as compared you other fans sites and cannon site my understanding is star wars is just in a recent book. Any way as fare as numbers if you take the power out put of just a turbo laser it would destroy a plants surf with that kinda energy out put yet barely kills asteroids in the movies. a 50 megaton nuke has a very set amount of power does this every time you set it off. any scifi can be this bad as well.
starknight97 1 year ago
That's your problem you are assuming that all Turbolaser shots are at the same power, and all turbolasers are the same grade, the ones hitting the asteroids were merely point defense light guns, they only used those against the falcon because if they used the anti-ship guns the falcon would be destroyed, and Vader would be pissed.
If by "recent book" you mean 2002, it was also compiled and calculated by a man with a PHD in Theoretical astrophysics.
Perion 1 year ago
200 Gigatons isn't enough to destroy a planet's surface in one shot neither is 2.4 Teratons, The Chicxulub Impact that killed the dinosaurs was roughly 100 Teratons in yield, but that still isn't anywhere near enough to do a base delta zero, which reduces the entire planet's surface to molten slag in less than an hour, requiring an absolutely obscene level of firepower.
Not only that, but Planetary shields in star wars can deflect that level of firepower and well beyond.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion So as this 1 1 gigaton laser so many hundreds of times in it 100 min orbit. a no shield planet dies surface wise which adds up too more the the 2.4 teratons. though their shields suck too ok so the shield can with stand the shot so what shot the surface too all side with 200 gigatons you suffocate burn out the o2 in seconds not too say burn alive anyone outside as the shields don't drop to the ground and not far away look at how slow the at at are.
starknight97 1 year ago
first off, i'm starting to wonder if english is your first language, as I'm having a hard time understanding what you are saying, secondly you are lacking coherence quite a bit.
2.4 teratons is the amount of fire per second an Acclamator is capable of, due to it's 12 guns that each carry 200 gigatons per shot, Imperial Star Destroyers are 300x more powerful.
Planetary shields, as the name suggests, cover the entire planet above the atmosphere so no such suffocation could exist.
Perion 1 year ago
@The AT-ATs were slow because the glacier they were walking on wouldn't be able to handle the strain of an AT-AT going full tilt.
Theater shields such as those in Episode 1 and on Hoth do indeed drop to the ground, but slow moving, grounded vehicles can pass through them.
Planetary shields are impassible by solid objects, even ones that are slow moving, though it wouldn't matter if they were, since a slow moving ship would be a sitting duck to the defense turrets on the surface.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion 1 100 mega ton destroys a 120 mile radius or 45216 SQ miles the earth has 57 million square miles of land. So you need 1261 bombs too nuke ever sq inch of the earths land. a one gig-ton laser shooting 1 every 3 seconds in 100 min would fire 2000 times. That 739 times more then is needed. remember your not shoot 1 spot like the Chicxulub Impact was you hit ever sq mile of surface. so only 126100 megatons is needed too nukes the earths surface or 126.1 gigatons
starknight97 1 year ago
You still don't get it, There's a difference between nuking the entire surface and reducing it to a molten slag, BIG difference, in fact nuking the entire earth surface would still not be anywhere near enough to wipe out all life on it, there would still be fish and insects.
A Base Delta Zero doesn't just wipe out all life on a planet, it melts the crust, atomizes the topsoil and blasts the atmosphere clear off.
you need a helluva lot more than a few hundred gigatons to do that.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion but see a Base Delta Zero is pointless all you need is too wipe out civilization anything is wasted resources too do and too use unless mining. Basically it be like our nukes too us they wipe out every planet that could support life. these weapon would never be made because it be easier too move a big rock at a planet if you wanted it destroyed. once again make scfi entertainment. then though canon number over kill. so back too the point the only way too judge 2 sci-fi is popularity.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97
LOL, WTF, retard?
The empire controls a galaxy, the resources of 1 planet is insignificant.
The fact that they DO have those weapons bitchslaps your "easier to move big rock" and "this weapon would never be made" bullshit, the weapons WERE made they Exsist in the SW galaxy.
Moron, if you wan't to judge by popularity, SW has made more money than all the Trek movies/series/toys combined. You just shot yourself in the foot.
blacksun2175 1 year ago
@blacksun2175 your thinking ores as far as life when 1 SD can wipe life too smaller then cats it can't support life for hundreds of years of human size. With so many SD and rebels with equals the 100 to a max of 1000 life supporting planets could be wiped out in 1 day. I'm not supporting trek retard. i saying their numbers are bs and unrealistic. oh in space it easy too move things not stuck in a orbit a tiny bit of math and you could make a course to get stuck in any orbit.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97
Yeah you proved you are a moron with that comment.
An ISD can melt the surface of a planet, bacteria won't survive that, nevermind cats. Look up the word STERILIZED...idiot.
To bad the lowest number of ISD is 25,000.
How are the numbers BS? A scientist wrote them. Idiot.
Too bad they do have those weapons, so your stupid space rock theory is worthless.
blacksun2175 1 year ago
@blacksun2175 So first he just wrote power that was needed not if a design like that could do it.Then super tart as perion pointed you need alot more power then 1 SD melt a surface but your saying 25k the lowest right super tart. that means though 1000 life sustaining plants are doomed. right super tart? you only need 1 too kill a planet.Man super tart your just lost in this convo. By the way super even with the coldest gas pooring onto that laser lens it still melts in micro seconds.
starknight97 1 year ago