James Von Brunn, holocaust museum shooting, "extremism" and "hate"

[Zyworski]

On the hate crime topic, taking it one step further. The law has set up special classes of citizens, kill a cop special sentence, kill a postman special sentence, juvenile victim special sentence, elderly victim special sentence. Does the weakness, strength, employer or anything else make one person or class of persons worthy of greater protection under the law? I won't take a position other than to say that I recall no public debate on the topic prior to passing these special laws.

[Zyworski]

I wish that they had left James Von Brunn's comment up on the Internet so that I could compare them to some of the trolls lurking about here on YouTube.

[TheRivetthead]

i have a right to be an extremeist or a hater its my 1st ammendment right a crime is a crime theres no such thing as a hate crime or extremeist violence

[tenebroust]

@TheRivetthead I agree, the idea of a "hate crime" is to have your thoughts judged. It is ludicrous.

[suutari13]

I agree with you!

[catdad69]

again, talk to me for the truth. evbrunn@yahoo.com

[chiomob]

Good riddance.

[MIKESOWELL]

James Von Brunn has just met his Maker

[RonPaulHatesBlacks]

Fuck yeah. Say hi to Satan for his, you sick bastard!

[ZEROEVILDARKCOOL]

777 VIEWS

HMM

[kaidsin]

Lawl, I hate Hindus

[CAPTAINFRED999]

I used to hear people say, "Oh so-and-so is a nazi", and I would think "whatever!". More hyperbole, right? But after reading Jim Marrs' Book, The Rise of the Fourth Reich, I am convinced that there really are nazis around and they are more powerful now than ever. To get really into the nuts and bolts of it, Google between the lines by Dave Emory. He's been covering this issue for years and has podcasts available for the illiterate masses. Listen and learn! It will soon make sense.

[tenebroust]

Absolutely I could not agree more, they never died. As Joseph Farrell says it is interesting that after WWII the German Army and the Civilian government surrendered but not the Nazi Party.

[brianFURY]

SecretTrollAccount said lose the aggression-- I say keep the aggression, we need more aggression toward pursuing just causes and rational thought. That is the problem of the masses. Lack of aggression on the part of the populace is ultimately why the elites screw the hell out of the masses every single chance they get. If the common man were as aggressive as the elites we would not be consumed by the problems we all face today.

[tenebroust]

I agree. I thanked STA for the input because I appreciate all input. I think that we need to be aggressive, not threatening, at least not in this venue, or at this time, but aggression is needed.

[SecretTrollAccount1]

P.S From 6:54 onward you made a very good arguement. Work on the aggresive presentation though it doesnt do the message justice.

[tenebroust]

Thanks for the advice.

[tenebroust]

Absolutely. Excellent question.

[brandonstewart1220]

if u are looking 4 some of his writings i found them on this title below on youtube

Rush Limbaugh and James Von Brunn- Was he a Liberal??

[manvoltaire]

*****

(Ted you should transcribe, compile and publish these.)

[tenebroust]

You're too kind my friend.

[mossrun]

Those in power will use the media & this opportunity to inflame the community against "Right-Wing Extremists"

Those who oppose Obama are labeled racist by the mind-control truth police.

White supremacists are not right wing. It was a republican president Lincoln that freed the slaves in 1865 while the democrats were pro slavery. It was the Democrats that filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and the Republicans that ensured that each and every Civil Rights Bill passed. Think for yourself!

[tenebroust]

Damn right, the old left right bull. People don't even know their own history.

[mossrun]

Thanks tenebroust

At 61 I have had a lot of time to think and I have been brain washed more than most. But time has I hope given me insight. I have come more and more to believe that it's, you fund both sides and then try to create a crevasse between the two

You have to get beyond the rhetoric. It is a power game

We are the wheat and they are the wind. Hoping we will blow which ever way those who are in power will will us to blow

Those who have minds are not blown by the winds of politics

[tenebroust]

I'm damn glad to have your wisdom viewing my videos. It sounds like you have come a log way from the brainwashing and bull you've been put through.

[GOTTshua]

Are there any LOVEcrimes in the world? Hmmm...... I am committing lovecrimes because....

[tenebroust]

Do it!!

[DragonovSVD]

right, great vid, thanx

[tenebroust]

Thanks for W and C.

[szaki]

So, where's Da security camera video from the Holomuseum, showing the shooting?

According to early CNN transcript from an eyewitness, one guard shoot the other by accident and not Von Brunn!

[tenebroust]

Good question. And how did he just march in there with a gun anyway.  I've been there and it is like a fortress.

[szaki]

Well, he didn't!

He only got as far as the door.

What was he trying to do with a .22 pop gun, at first place?

Strange!!!

Holomuseum may have face recognition software against known anti-semites, like airports have, so he was picked out as he aproched the door?

Who knows?

I kind of don't believe the official story, until I see the security camera video, if they ever show it.

If he survives and goes into trial, has to be shown as evidence.

[tenebroust]

Yeah, don't hold your breath. Remember that the Pentagon attack videos are still not released after 8 years. I doubt he'll go to trial. Either he'll die in hospital, or just plead guilty like Kascynski, and poof, no trial, no evidence.

[nextdimensions]

5 stars by the way

[tenebroust]

Thank you.

[starlight1946]

Shootings happen everyday, and they all are equally bad. Those people who keep on and on about this Holocaust are trying to make everyone else feel they do not count. Whites are the inferior specie, they don't count. Its like you who go on and on with the Jewish Holocaust are saying only we count you people are nobodies, just useless unless you can fund our existence in some way. I am only stating facts. How many Palestinians have Israel killed since 1948, where is their Holocaust Museum?

[tenebroust]

Ella thanks so much for interjecting your views. It's good to bring up dissenting opinion from time to time.

[55ella2007k]

Well, this time I have to disagree with you Ted. There is a difference between 'hate' crimes which in it's essence is targeting a particular GROUP of people - ie. gays, blacks, hispanics, PALESTINIANS, Jews, rather than a single individual. Therefore, your robbery-analogy is mistaken. Or would you NOT agree, that the incitement of hate + violence against blacks in the 60's was directed toward a particular GROUP of people, rather than against individuals? There is a huge difference, actually>

[55ella2007k]

.CONTINUED: and think about the hate crimes being committed against Palestinians in their own land? Anyway, please think about it some more. If someone robs a liquor store + kills the clerk in the process, he/she may not actually HATE that clerk at all, they just want the money. So yes, there is a difference. Think about the verbal incitements to kill your neighbors in Rwanda, which resulted in genocide. Free Speech is fine + I will side with the ACLU on this issue...>

[55ella2007k]

CONTINUED: because the ACLU has defended that right even for 'white supremacist' groups. Now, as far as the internet is concerned, that's a different story, because the powers that be, will use ANY excuse to curtail the free exchange of ideas, if these ideas do not suit them, whether this involves calls to violence or not. Great topic, btw - and something all of us 'dissidents' on here should consider very carefully.

[tenebroust]

Palestinians are the subject of violence like other groups. Look at it this way and tell me what you think. If a group of thugs was out trolling for people they hated in order to do violence to them and they attack a group of (insert name here) but in that group there are a couple of people who are not of the group they hate, just happen to be with them. All end up dead, killed by the thugs. Are the victims who were not of the targeted group any less dead? How do you justify a harsher...

[tenebroust]

sentence for the one just because they are of a particular group? Of course people are targeted, like the 60's and blacks. One could also make the case that when people steal they target a group of people "those with money", and they incite action against them. It's an extreme jump but it is a valid point. Any time you cross the line from thought to action you're subject to penalty if you commit a crime, same crime, same punishment. IMO.

[tenebroust]

Ella you always have great insight but I think we will have to disagree on this issue. Even if groups are targeted because of "hate" as long as no crimes are committed against them they are guilty of nothing. The guy killing the clerk in the store is just as guilty as someone who kills a gay or black because he hates them. Motive can be mitigating in my view but not a method of worsening a crime. You start at a certain level, the crime and the damage, it can be mitigated but not made worse.

[tenebroust]

If you have "enhanced sentencing" for hate crimes ( in essence you're being punished for what you think), then it says that some people are inherently more important than others. In some instances the crime is called a "hate" crime based upon circumstantial evidence and not on the real motive. Crimes are committed for all manner of reasons. Why not have enhanced sentencing for all manner of motives?  Love, disdain, lack of empathy, psychopathy.

[paintingmymasterpiec]

one of your best sir.

[tenebroust]

I'm humbled.

[Ambassador72]

This whole Von Brunn incident is way, way too "convenient" timing-and-"badguy" wise...

I think that there are people in government who would find this whole deal handy on several fronts ("We must have gun control/HateCrime legislation/Squelching of 9/11 Truth/etc... For the sake of the children" and all that shit). I wouldn't put anything past the Cowards That Be.

[tenebroust]

Too convenient, yes.

[RonRay]

On the 'head', Ted!

You are one of only a very few that is speaking out the TRUTH about this thought control, "1984" crap that is digesting our freedoms and liberties.

"Most" of the German civilians during the WWII era actually thought that Jews were genetically favorable to carry typhus, because that was what the Nazis "WANTED" them to think. Can we not see that we are little more than sheep under the control of dictators?

Think for YOURSELF, people!

Things are going crazy... again.

Thank you.

[tenebroust]

Much appreciated. Stay on your toes always.

[NSMDOC]

great job explaining the absurdity of hate/thought crimes all hate crimes are crimes anyway the intent of the crime should only come into play at sentencing after conviction of the actual crimes....ie murder robbery whatever...and at the end... thats right, that is the way it should be

[tenebroust]

Thanks Doc.

[magichandpuppet]

Holocaust, Inc. is watching... and they don't like freedom of thought or speech as it would interfere with their income stream if the sheeple realized that the sheeple don't have to feel guilty from what someone else did.

[tenebroust]

No they don't

[Neurolanis]

Great video!! Good points! Ever watch Frank Zappa's Free Speech debate on Crossfire? It's on YouTube. That was on the profanity/freedon of speech issue in the 80s (Christian parents VS the music industry.) I thought Zappa was brilliant in that interview. He maintained that freedom of speech must be maintained, and unfortionately that must include hateful, disgusting and propaganistic statements--which of course can be debunked through freedom of speech. If you remove any of them, we lost it all.

[tenebroust]

Thank you I'll check it out.

[starlight1946]

Like Norman Finkelstein wrote in his book The Holocaust Industry its a racket to make money off the dead. He really gets my admiration because he exposes the horrors done to the Palestinians. How come the American news did not have it on the front pages all the bombings Israel did even using phosphorus bombs on the civilians of Gaza killing over 3,000 in 22 days a few months back. Israelis still keep them in a concentration camp, go visit Gaza and see how life is for them, thanks to Israel.

[tenebroust]

Thanks.

[MoonSpyStudios]

Well said ,,,

Bill

[cv1122]

you nailed this one T. the government has no authority over our minds....but they sure want it.

[tenebroust]

Thanks CV, that is our last citadel, the Keep, if you will. They certainly have breached it in some ways with mind manipulation and control but they don't have complete control of it yet. That has to be the end result.

[starlight1946]

Again words of wisdom thoughts are not action, they are only thoughts. I believe the Hidden Hands that run America are on a course to arrest anyone who will not obey, watch the movie They Live. You are right if such Laws get passed then its farewell to the Internet and we end up like slaves to Big Brother no longer with rights or freedom. You will not be allowed to protest is this what you all want it to be? Keep in mind, the Internet is our protest tool.

[tenebroust]

Stay in your pen and keep your mouth shut and think happy thoughts like the people in that Twilight Zone episode with Billy Mummy.

[dave777blaster]

I have come to the conclusion that 25% of Americans are held hostage by the rest who are haters freaks and Mongoloid

[MikePresents]

More law accorded to fear, paranoia and desperation. Kinda' takes the fun out of it all.

[tenebroust]

You bet, and who says you're allowed to have any fun?

[cstrand31]

you keep saying "allegedly" as if he wasnt CAUGHT IN THE ACT.

[tenebroust]

Just trying to be objective.

[cstrand31]

In what way? That he wasn't the shooter or that his shooting was justified in some way?

[tenebroust]

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That way, not in any way a justification of his alleged actions.

[nextdimensions]

all the headlines in the news say allegedly as well... I want to see video of what happened, if it really happened the way they said, prove it with the video, there's video cameras everywhere

[firstwave2]

'do CHEM-TRAILS fit in there

anyplace' because there spraying

the living shit out of us over here

for 3 days in a row'

[tenebroust]

Sure they are doing this as well.

[nextdimensions]

really, they were horrible yesterday down here in FL

[Peridolin]

Hate Crime = Thought Crime = NWO.

[Buckhead1959]

Minority Report comes to mind...1984 here we come!

[tenebroust]

PKD was a freaking prophet, and he was a victim of mind manipulation, vis "Valis"

[rikestard]

Kill a few people and your a murderer, kill a million and your a conquerer.

It's the double standard bullshit that you were talking about a few vids back, your right though, no difference at all.

[tenebroust]

Excellent observation my friend. Thanks.

[rikestard]

I hate all people equally.

[tenebroust]

Excellent!

[rikestard]

But I love you Sheriff Broust!

[rockhardxrocker]

the mind is one of our last sanctuaries. It is our escape of all laws, to the best of our ability, to be totally free. In my dreams I can fly, do what I want, think what I want, unrestrained from the physical laws of the universe, the laws of the government, or the laws of anyone. Freedom of the mind. Once we lose that, we might as well just be inanimate matter that doesn't think at all.

[tenebroust]

Very eloquently put.

[onlywhenprovoked]

gun control is what i smell cooking, too.

they been pumping these shooting stories a LOT lately, when we ALL know that there's no more of this shit going on today than there ever was.

hell, in 1981, this same dude was trying the same shit.

almost 30 years ago, this same dude, same rant.

and the world didn't end.

lesson of the week : yes, even elderly people can be crazy.

[tenebroust]

Indeed maybe just a nutcase.  It isn't the end of the world. Maybe the solution is to have guards that are trained? Metal detectors that work? I've been to that museum and let me tell you there are metal detectors and guards and it is very secure, it just seems very suspicious that he could get in there with any gun let alone a rifle.

[onlywhenprovoked]

I'm not too surprised that he could get through the door with a rifle, but I am surprised he was able to walk up to building like that in broad daylight with a rifle and not be noticed.

And then there's the question : who sold this convicted felon those weapons? I'm surprised they ever let him out after his Fed attempt.

[tenebroust]

Maybe some FBI stooge approved his weapon purchase like they approved the explosives for the first WTC bombing in NYC.

[cv1122]

I heard it was a 100-year old weapon. He probably had it for decades.

[tenebroust]

Yes, probably so in a closet for years.

[vmpslr2]

why would payed security guards allow a civilian with a rifle in a building ,i wouldn't ive done armed security in many places,an would draw down on someone,it just goes to show you the low grade of people in that industry now days.law enf.included

[tenebroust]

One wonders how this was done?

[armedghost1984]

I agree, Ted. Hate crimes are ridiculous and a feeble attempt by the establishment to create a sub-order of criminals. Crime is crime and victims are victims, regardless of race, sexual orientation, religion, whatever. I mean, WTF?... Does crime and hate also have to be politically correct?

[tenebroust]

Dead is dead, victim is victim.

[imjustagirl776]

No one seems to be throwing out there that maybe Von Brunn might have been a crazy old koot with history and "issues". But then sensationalism skews things like nobody's business. Why then was the dude that killed the abortion doctor not charged with a hate crime or accused of having extremist viewpoints? It's an ideal that's so open-ended that it only serves to advantage the administration touting the idea, it seems.

2+2 = 4... not 5 ;o)

[tenebroust]

Maybe so. But as has been pointed out he was involved in plot against the Federal Reserve and served time. It is likely he was being watched and that makes it more likely he was subtly nuanced into this course of action.

[imjustagirl776]

Didn't really think of it that way. Very good point. Most likely the CIA, you think? They are a jack-of-all-trades type of organization it seems.

[tenebroust]

I have no proof of this mind you. It is just a possibility. Take your pick of alphabet agency.

[happosai27]

yep i agree ^^ same with "poitical correctness". its self censorship

[tenebroust]

Damn right.

[fatbob47]

the first step is to demonize the individual. the government would never lie. the southern poverty law center would never bilk the american taxpayer for millions. they don't have an agenda, no .... never. SPLC was very involved with the media manipulation after oklahoma city. ask yourself why if you were intent on hurting people why use a 22 rifle. i can think of about ten items easier to conceal. since when does an 88 year old man go off the deep end?

[tenebroust]

Excellent points. I may do a video on the SPLC and supposed hate watch groups.

[fatbob47]

good idea

[747dog]

....... 88 years old, mentally ill, evil or both,,, who the fuck knows... anyway you are dead on correct how the powers that be (for now) are using this creatons actions against our freedoms... Ole George Orwell musta had a time machine ... :) .. Sharing this vid with others...

[tenebroust]

Thanks my friend.

[meikagirl]

I smell gun control coming.

[tenebroust]

That's definitely on the agenda.

[Z200a]

It's also disgusting that you would attempt to deny the existence of a class of crimes motivated primarily by hate for certain groups, e.g. gays or Muslims or blacks or whites, etc.

[tenebroust]

"Disgusting"? Really? So explain to me how it is "worse" or deserving of more punishment, if someone is killed for the money they carry (killer wants money, covets it off of dead guy, obviously dislikes fact dead guy has money and he doesn't, cares nothing for his life) or if they are killed because they are gay or black or Jewish? What does it matter, they're both dead and the action involves hate. Are gays, blacks, hispanics, or Jews "worth" more than a dead white person?

[tenebroust]

I meant to say; how is it worse if someone is killed or hurt because they are black, Jewish etc., rather than if they are white?

[rockhardxrocker]

well hate crimes can be against white ppl as well, such as black panthers targeting a white person. If the criminal attacks a jew because he's rich, then it's not a hate crime. If he attacks him because he's jew then it is a hate crime. I agree with what you're saying but the difference is the jew can choose to be rich or not, though he can't choose whether he's jew or not. That's possibly why hate crimes are treated differently?

[tenebroust]

The end result is the same, someone hurt or dead. I don't recall any cases where someone was prosecuted for a hate crime against white people. If they have I'd love to know about it. One could easily argue that the wiring of your mind makes it so you have no choice but to hate the people you do, so that you have no control over that as well. Bear in mind I don't condone violence of any kind against anyone unless it is rightly deserved.

[rockhardxrocker]

Sure end result is the same, but you can say that about anything. for example, a person dies, but there are two scenarios, either you killed him because you wanted to rob him, or you killed him because he was trying to rob you (at gun point). Of course end result is he's dead, but the reasons for why he is dead is very important. About the wiring of your brain, I guess that's why they treat mentally ill people differently in terms of punishments.

[tenebroust]

I'd say there are mitigating circumstances that could be considered to lessen ones sentence if you were truly mentally ill etc. But if you purposely murder someone, regardless of reason, that person is dead, you killed him, why should you be punished more if he was gay and you hated gays. It is like saying that gay people are more valuable than straight people.

[rockhardxrocker]

This is a tough one to figure out. I guess a hate crime is determined solely on one's membership to a certain group: racial, gender, religious, etc. and is instigated solely on that on some kind of arbitrary superficial level so that you could replace that person with any other person within that same group and that would have triggered the crime, and solely because they weren't in this group the crime could have been avoided.

[rockhardxrocker]

But if you were to arbitrarily kill a human, because they were human, because you're a serial killer or something, I guess that should also be a hate crime. It's very vague.

[rockhardxrocker]

Here's an interesting thought though. We say that thought crime should not be punished, but what about damage to information, or infringements of information, such as copyright etc. Damaging/altering someone's hard drive, wouldn't you say, is comparable to yelling things in their ear and changing their state of mind, memory, experiences etc.

So if you disseminate information, malicious information, aren't you negatively affecting the collective consciousness of society? Or you frighten someone

[tenebroust]

Well there are laws against Libel and Slander. There are also property crimes which protect information as well.

[rockhardxrocker]

Yes but I wonder if those property crimes can be extended to the brain.

Also if you talk about killing a group of people, isn't that conspiring to commit a crime? I'm a little rusty on my laws, but isn't that prosecutable? Such as if you were to say you were going to assassinate the prez, even if you haven't done anything, I'm sure something can be done to you.

[spinalfluidontap]

This era of political correctness is creating crimminals out of people whom in many cases are mearly voicing their oppinion. I hate the Red Wings and hope Pittsburg kicks their ass tomorrow. Now did I just commit a hate crame? Should I be labled as a potential something or other and be locked up indefinitely? The Holocaust is no more or less important to me than all the other shit from WWII so does that make me anti-semite? Is hating ZioNazis a hate crime? Are we "allowed" to hate anything?

[tenebroust]

This is my whole point in a nutshell.

[spinalfluidontap]

The thing is, "We both see where this is going." I hate Americas foreign pollicy when it comes to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. So am I now a terrorist and am put on a no fly list for writing this comment? Will freedom of speach be used as a tool by government to arrest and detain? Of coarse it will! That is the obvious next step. Your first and second Amendment are slowly but surely disappearing. This shooting is all they are talking about on CNN today.

[tenebroust]

Soon what you say will be used as you say. I'm surprised it isn't worse already in Canada, or is it? This is crazy and it just gets worse!

[spinalfluidontap]

We had a recent case where a guy was found not guilty of a hate crime. He had said, and I'll paraphrase, "Hitler killed all those jews because they were killing the economy of Europe. Their greed and their hording was hurting everyone so he rounded them up and killed them. The problem was he didn't kill them all so the world is having the same problems again." He did however lose his "Order of Canada" medal. He said those things on a radio talk show. He was Native Canadian if anyone cares.

[tenebroust]

Wow. He didn't even deny the holocaust. It's gonna be like that here before long.

[Z200a]

It's totally false that this is a "mind crime" and that people "can't think" certain things. If you reflect for a moment, it may occur to you that the rightwing extremist was never arrested, in his long life, for his "thoughts" or beliefs.

[tenebroust]

You missed my point. The action done by this man (allegedly) will be used to make it illegal to think or say what you want. It will be used to encroach on freedom of speech and lead to censorship and thought crime. It isn't the case yet, but it may become so.

[He101A]

Hate crime is another way to curb the 1st amendment. Hate crimes will turn out to be thought crimes in the future. If you write the wrong things on the internet, they will have the authority to label it as a hate crime and shut it down. If you say the wrong things, they will arrest and fine you with a hate crime. I know where all of this leads.

[tenebroust]

Yes it is.

[jmm1233]

mind crime , ie thought police , definitely 1984

hate crime , ie to disobey the agenda of the party , another 1984 reference ,

they want to push us back to the dark ages , were all information is locked up ,

[bman462]

nail on the head as always

[bgrim2008]

Why isn't Van Brunn labeled a Terrorist ? not even "suspected" Terrorist ?

Allegedly, he walked into a museum, guns blazing, shooting anyone/anything in sight...with complete disregard for others including his own life...sound familiar ?

Sounds like a "Terrorist" to me, considering his ties to Nazi/White Supremacy Religion/groups, his beliefs, and "teachings".

If this man was a "darkie" mooslem...his ass would of been in Guantanamo by now taking it up the but by Dick Cheney with a strap-on.

[FierceEyedTiger]

★★★★★