And PS. If you actually want to find out more about astrology, there are countless of free online sources where you can find information to get you started.
Bottom-line is an astrological chart is comprised of countless individual elements, and what the astrologer does is analyze each of them individually, then see how they fit together, in order to understand the whole. Sun sign means crap. It's one factor in over 1000 that make up a chart.
@NightinGal89 I have looked into astrology carefully, along with ESP, psychokinesis, precognition, astral projection, scrying, dowsing, numerology, palmistry, levitation, crystal healing, fortune telling, ouija boards, tarot cards, the I-Ching and numerous other woo-woo phenomena. I have found no evidence whatsoever that any of the above are anything other than purely imaginary. If you can provide any such evidence, you will be the first to do so.
@UncleFeedle here you are, going on about evidence and "looked carefully into". Astrology is not the normal form of knowledge that society accepts.
Looking into it sounds ridiculous, since most astrologers only get the hang of it after many years of analyzing charts and learning what each symbol represents. It's not like a muffin recipe, or Java programming, that you can maybe look into for a few months and decide whether it works or not.
@NightinGal89 By looking into, I mean I have taken the claims made by astrologers and tested them. On every occasion, I find that astrology provides results no better than random chance.
I'm not interested in how it works - only in whether it works at all. Until any astrologer can demonstrate that astrology has any basis in reality, it does not deserve any serious attention.
@UncleFeedle About "evidence"..I'm not sure what evidence you are looking for, since astrology shows human psychology, mostly. That's why it's most relevant in issues like personal understanding or relationship dynamics.
And it's also why the best astrologers also happen to be therapists, or at least have basic knowledge of psychology. Jung himself was an adept.
@NightinGal89 By evidence, I mean astrologers demonstrating that astrology does what they claim it does under conditions in which they cannot cheat or obtain success through mere random chance.
@UncleFeedle Bottom-line is you believe what you choose, I'm not arguing for fun, I'm writing this because I'm tired of people who never analyze themselves and end up making all the mistakes that their charts warn against.
Sure, you can analyze yourself with just psychology, but astrology gives you insights into a person's mind that nobody from the outside can see.
Today there are religious extremists, birthers, truthers, history deniers, pseudoskeptics, and pure charlatans out there being ignorant and forcing other people to adopt their views/ scamming them.
im nt saying at all that i believe in astrology being a valid practice bt i have to say i dnt get hw this proves anything...no 1 said its nt possible for uncompatible ppl nt to be together as a couple and so wat if sum1 was left without a partner within this group...
No one can force people to believe, and i respect atheists, but there has to be a God if you ask me if you want to explain anything in the universe, i mean the chances of a cell coming forth out of no-life is the same as a tornado going thru a dumpsite and forming a boeing 747 completely without errors, or the same as letting 1000 blind people forming a Kubus of rubik and completing at exactly the same time, well i then rather believe in a God, excuse me if people find that stupid...
@DomiDein Abiogenesis explains how life can emerge from non-life. And complexity doesn't just pop into existence from some predetermined plan. Biological evolution is a very slow and gradual process, happening over billions of years. The evidence for this is overwhelming. And even if you reject all the evidence, that does not mean the god explanation then becomes viable.
What if everyone is a "God"? From the dictionary: "Noun: (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) The creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the Supreme Being."
Right there, I can only say the definition is very vague. I CAN say that everyone is a "God" because we all have a universe(in other words, our own little world). And we are the source of moral authority, because no one in the world is going to make you believe in something unless you want to.
I think James Randi is doing a grave disservice to a great number of people. If women stop believing in that astrological nonsense, then I can no longer use my pickup line "hey, baby, what's your sign?"
hear is a little hint for all of you, if you ever call a "psychic" phone line and they dont answer after one ring, they must not know you where going to call so just hang up lol
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I hate how at a time like this, people still care about sun signs. Everyone should be facing religion, praying to God, not dating, respecting parents, and be generous to everyone and pray every day and fear God.
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@UncleFeedle But astrology is bullshit, and whoever believes inn God knows its a sin. Everyone should believe in Him, but dont worry they will go to Hell on the day of Judgement.
@happybunnysmiles Unless you can provide some evidence to support your claims (biblical quotes don't count) there is no more reason to believe you than there is to believe the claims of an astrologer.
@happybunnysmiles Existence is proof of existence. It says nothing about the cause. As to blind belief, I dismiss as irrational the notion of believing in something without any rational justification.
@UncleFeedle Existence is proof of existence, i love it! straight , simple and to the point .but no matter how you try to explain it, they still dont get it. sooooo many athiests have tried to explain there is no god but for some reason people will only learn on there own : (
@happybunnysmiles Yeah. Don't worry, they will go to Hell on the day of judgement. Horray for non believers going to hell, right? How Christ-like of you. Dick.
@UncleFeedle Evidence of God is all around you, and you are also evidence of God, unless you think the world made itself which is impossible, and if it is possible, u explain me how the world made itself without a creator, if you believe that your believe isn't base on what is logic but on ignorance, because many people don't WANT to believe in God.
@DomiDein This is the argument from ignorance. You do not know how life and the universe could have formed, so you attribute it to some divine, all-powerful entity creating it by magic. If you think something so complex must have had a creator behind it, then it stands to reason that this creator must be of a higher order than his creation. You are then stuck with the question of what created that creator. This is a logical fallacy known as special pleading.
@DomiDein does your god know everything. then he knows who will die as an atheist (before they are even born) hence he creates people destined for hell. what a great guy. or maybe he doesnt know , in which case he is even less powerful and a bit of a twat.
@happybunnysmiles Hahaha, your comment is absolutely hilarious. Astrology and religion have ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS IN FACT. Your archaic myths and stories are not true. Accept it.
This angers me to be honest. So much of this stuff is harmless but they often cross a line. She says that "you can clearly get on with someone you're not right for". You don't get to claim you have truth unless you can demonstrate that truth you horrible charlatan, you have no right to tell people they're with the "wrong" partner. And secondly, by suggesting that people should be able to get on with people who aren't 'right' for them, she is in fact suggesting that her astrology is pointless.
People looked at the movement of the stars to predict when they would have to hunt and sow their land. This made them believe the Gods made those stars for them so they could predict all manners of things. Also because certainty is preferred over uncertainty, they continued doing it.
Saturn throws some rocks out of our solar system so they don't collide with earth (preventing a mass extinction due to meteors every thousand years or so).
I love how people in fields such as astrology can always find a way to weezel through a point. He just showed that the compatability findings of astrology didn't match the true compatability at all. Then suddenly: "Oh well that doesn't mean anything, there are tons of other tests we could do!" Well fuck.
yes, every planet affects ur individual life. Saturn, in particular, is assoc with work, discipline, limitations, duty&responsibility...the areas in ur life where u have to seriously work hard2accomplish
Saturn is a giant ball of mostly liquid hydrogen, some 820 million miles from Earth. Please explain how and why it affects human personality at the moment of birth.
@UncleFeedle I myself am a sceptic, but about astrology it has always occured to me that if everything in the universe is in a particular position on a particular day that could in some way I can't quantify affect the course of your life in the way the weather may govern your choice of clothing, in some minor chaos theory kind of way. Whether these people can chart that or not is another matter.
@ninemen123 Well, its said that if you knew the exact location and movement of every atom in the universe at precisely the same moment, you could (in theory) predict the future perfectly. If astrologers are able to do something like this, albeit in a very limited way, some degree of accuracy has to be demonstrated.
But what you're basically describing is SCIENCE. Yes, if we knew everything about the universe a lot of scientists think we'd be able to predict almost anything (i.e determinism). The problem is, these people clearly don't know a thing about the universe and they're not interested in finding out either. They're interested in making money from gullibility- nothing more.
@tim0090 While this is theoretically correctly, across vast distances, the effect of gravity becomes infinitely small. Eventually you reach a point where it becomes negligible. In any case, what does this have to do with astrology?
I have done. I have both investigated it and tested it with negative results. When I state this to astrologers, they come up with all manner of rationalizations. How am I supposed to get any further with it when astrologers cannot even decide between themselves what astrology is and what it is capable of? Until a single astrologer can provide conclusive evidence obtained under proper observing conditions, I dismiss astrology as total bunk.
maybe it would be open2subjective interpretation, but u know u better than me...or do u? here's what will reveal all: 1)dob 2)time of birth 3)location of birth. with those3things i could tell u the specific focuses in ur life, the things u tend2put in top priority, &more importantly y u feel that way. y not prove me wrong? enlighten urself
ive been studying this4years...not asking others opinions but actually reading the books myself. i also personally looked up the birth charts of many people i know and studied them for proof
there lies ur problem...u keep asking other people instead of looking it up urself. look up astrology in the dictionary. then tell any astrologer theyre wrong when they say it has nothing2do with the positions of the planets
Some astrologers agree with the dictionary definition, some modify it and others flatly disagree. I've encountered astrologers who would say that you are wrong and have publicly stated that it has nothing to do with the motion of planets. Adding to the confusion is that there are different varieties of astrology - natal, vedic, sun, etc. Proponents of different types all claim that only their brand of astrology is the real deal and the others are not. Who is right?
I can't stand this paranormal clownish bullshit. And it's always about something that the common person would be interested in, such as their sex life. That's why when you go to any damn grocery store, there are tiny pamphlets near the check outs that talk about how your finances will change, how your love life will be. Only the feeble minded are interested in this bullshit and actually are gullible enough to believe that a small paper will tell them everything they need to know.
a "professional" said that?!? the definition of astrology is "the study of the position&aspects of celestial bodies(planets)". Either u misinterpreted what they were saying or they're wrong. EVERYTHING is affected by the position of the planets. let me know ur dob&birth city. i'll prove it.
I have had at least two supposedly pro astrologers tell me that astrology is not related to the motions and positions of planets. Herein lies the problem - astrologers cannot agree on what astrology is. I have been provided with at least 12 definitions over the last three years. The demonstration you are suggesting would provide results open to subjective interpretation. If you really want to prove that astrology is credible, you will need to provide a better means than that.
SunSign compatibilty has more2do w/ease than actual compatibility. "Incompatible" signs r actually more physically attracted than the compatible ones. its how ALL the planets relate2 1another that determines if it'll last thoughh
SunSign=GeneralIdentity, Mars=SexDrive, Venus=Love. it depends on where the planets were when u were born. 4example, im Pisces but my Mars=Scorpio&my Venus=Aquarius. tho i can be romantic&emotional(pisces), im usually attracted2quirky, intellectuals(aquarius) that can keep up with my libido(scorpio). the deeper u get n2 it the more u understand how2people w/same sign can b so different. tell me ur bday&cityofBirth&i'll tell u who ur attracted2, if ur still skeptical.
I have had self-proclaimed professional astrologers tell me that astrology has nothing to do with the positions and motions of planets. How do you explain this contradiction?
james randi is a psuedo skeptic. He does not ask questions to try to understand new things, but judges them by whether they fit into the established order. He applies "critical thinking" only to that which opposes the status quo, but never to the status quo itself. Hes not interested in truth, evidence or facts, only in defending the views of establishment. ridiculous. look at this video with a vedic astrolger on michael shermans show. . watch?v=C6k7xa1NrCc
@jordanmarcus No, Randi judges things by whether their effects can be demonstrated in a simple, controlled test. If you're asking him to be skeptical of the scientific method as a whole, then you should realize that's a pretty tall order.
that demonstration only proves that neither Randi nor the astrologer really knows anything about astrology. There's more to it than just the month&day you were born
It is amazing that any astrologers agree to participate in tests like this. The tests are doomed to show them wrong and whatever explanation they come up with after the obvious failure has slight weight if any in this setup. Anyone with an interest in astrology, be it on the positive or the negative side, should first of all dig deeper into the subject than James Randi is capable of and maybe take a look at the works of Michel Gauquelin.
Only way for the survival of the human race and the sustainability of our planet is to dramatically reduce the exponentially increasing population. If we continue like this and abide by the fundamental law of
"not kill", morals and ethics will be the end of our species.
so who is to say that the couples she paired would not have got along better than the spouse they were already with? I am naturally a skeptic but i have to say astrology is something i have grown to believe in.. if u are honest with yourself the stars can teach! :)
Eh, astrology's pretty much bullshit but it's perfectly harmless and quite fun.
I'm a Capricorn and my first girlfriend was a Virgo, which was perfect star sign compatability and we had a good relationship, but I don't think it proves anything.
After all, I went out with an Aries next and Capricorns are meant to not get on well with them at all. :)
@TheEmpress666 Weird coincidence, I'm a capricorn too, and was involved in a very strong relationship with a virgo as well!
I can't help but get the sense that there is a statistical significance, but I'd be willing to attribute it to the power of suggestion and self-fulfilling prophecy, which is a power undeniable
"well i think it proves the point that uhm a lot of people can get on with people that aren't necessarily right for them" but isn't that at least a part of what compatibility is??
This video is not only an insult to astrology, but also an insult to any person watching it. It's like they pay these bozos to make a fool of themselves. Real astrologers would've left them with some heavy shit to think about.
Sun sign analysis doesn't prove anything. It's completely pointless. The Sun sign makes out less than the 100th part of the profile an astrological chart can describe.
@UncleFeedle defining it is not exactly the most important thing to do, now, is it? Defining in itself is just a process our brains need to go through in order to "register" and incorporate new information into our whole spider web of a mind. We still haven't really "defined" water, but we still reap the benefits of it, don't we?
The point is whether it works or not. I am not saying it's the sort of thing you should follow blindly, but it can help in life situations in which nothing else can.
Anyone with a basic education can define what water is. In order to determine whether or not astrology works, we first have to define it through its capabilities and limitations.
@UncleFeedle "Anyone with a basic education can define what water is"
Defining is something that happens after choosing a frame of reference, or a perspective. And water is not entirely defined, fyi. Did you know, for instance, that studies conducted in some parts of the world are gathering evidence which shows water's ever-changing molecular structure is actually an information-storage system?
@UncleFeedle The point is if you simply try to classify and break down things based on what you already know and understand, just because you feel "threatened" by a new perspective you're not even fit to judge.
If you cannot even define what astrology is in even the most basic terms eg. an art, a science, a viewpoint, a technique for finding out xxx, etc., then the only logical conclusion is that it isn't anything.
@UncleFeedle Um, I've got exactly zero belief in astrology. But, that's got to be the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. You're suggesting that semantics dictates reality? That's downright absurd.
Astrologers cannot offer any consistent definition of astrology. Nor can they provide any evidence that it manifests in reality. If I say X exists but neither I nor supporters of X agree on what X, how it can be demonstrated or what we can do with it, X becomes nothing more than a meaningless label. What is 'astrology' other than a word?
@UncleFeedle No, the requirement of a precise definition is a logical cop-out. Reality is not dictated by human semantics - the universe exists, the way it exists, independent of our language. So, whether we have a clear definition of any given phenomena says absolutely nothing as to whether or not the phenomena exists - therefore, requiring such a definition, in any measure, to determine reality is a logical fallacy.
@UncleFeedle IF, for instance, astrology were generating empirically measurable data, whether or not we had a clear definition of what "astrology" is would be meaningless. In fact, to enforce such requisites is pure anti-science. In science, definitions are built from empirical observation, not the other way around. So, it is not necessary that astrologers provide any sort of definition. All that is necessary is that they provide empirically testable data.
Perhaps I should expand on my original comment. It is true that astrologers cannot settle on a consistent definition. However, many of the definitions I have been given explain what astrology is capable of eg. 'a means of identifying energies'(?) This has resulted in astrologers making differing (and often contradictory) claims, all with no supporting evidence. Since they cannot agree, we don't know what we're even supposed to be looking at, and don't know what would constitute evidence.
It's commonly understood that astrology, in fundamental terms, is a belief that the position and movements of celestial bodies exert influence over earthly events and affairs. What one person's specific definition is compared to another's is irrelevant. If there is empirical data to support such influences, it's valid. If there isn't, it's not. Whether there is a consensus regarding a specific and precise definition of the apparent "craft" of interpreting such influence doesn't matter.
Not all astrologers agree with your definition. A number of them have told me that astrology has nothing to do with the motion of planets or celestial objects. This is the problem - they cannot decide what the actual claim is, so we don't know what supporting evidence might consist of.
@NightinGal89 and And FYI water has not been entirely defined. Did you know, for instance, that studies have been going on for decades which suggest that water's molecular structure is actually an information-storage system?
@NightinGal89 Is this the same information storage system that homeopathy claims water is, where water has the memory of every molecule it's come into contact with?
@UncleFeedle it's simply a tool. People who use it do just that-use it, they don't take it as a kind of infallible religion, or guide their lives solely by it.
You can use it in virtually all areas of life, because it shows the undercurrent of human society, our collective unconscious, if you will.
@UncleFeedle For instance, if you analyze the charts of countries, you will be amazed at how well they show the general issues and trends within that culture, based on the energies, or archetypes, or whatever you wanna call them, that were active on the exact time and date of the "birth" of a country.
Like German people being famous for their discipline and focus on hard work, productivity and quality, perfectly illustrated by Sun conjunct Mercury in Capricorn, and Saturn in Capricorn.
@NightinGal89 Just when I think that astrology cannot become even more ridiculous, I'm now told that entire countries have their own star signs as well. Your "discipline and focus on hard work, productivity and quality" is a ridiculous generalisation. It could apply to any one of dozens of countries (my first thought would be Japan or Sweden) and even then your claim is reliant on stereotyping and personal interpretation.
@UncleFeedle People who use astrology know that Capricorn energy is everything that has to do with perseverence, hard work, and patience. It is Cardinal Earth, Cardinal meaning ambitious, self-starting, autonomous energy, and Earth representing pragmatism, a focus on "what works", and nothing else.
@UncleFeedle what you are basically trying to say is that astrology is not a science, which I didn't find necessary to mention, because it is goddamn obvious.
@NightinGal89 Some astrologers would disagree with you. Three years ago I began asking astrologers exactly what astrology is and to date have been given 15 distinct definitions. They cannot agree on what it is. I don't think astrology is anything at all, other than a delusion.
@UncleFeedle I realize that we are living in the age of "if it cannot be reproduced in a lab, countless times, to the same result, it doesn't exist", but to actually live by this means you are either terrified of leaving your comfort zone, or just plain stupid.
There are other forms of knowledge other than the scientific one. Of course, you do need intuition to get to that.
But since we're talking facts, I believe it was J.P. Morgan who said: "Millionaires don't use astrology. Billionaires do."
@UncleFeedle Capricorn represents the stage of maximum success in the physical world, it is why it is symbolized by the goat which climbs the mountain- no matter how painful and steep the climb is, Capricorn pushes people to keep climbing.
If you analyze the charts of famous people, those with Capricorn/Saturn-heavy charts are those who often succeed by sheer endurance and hard work, often after a long, gruelling obstacle-run.
You post insults and incoherent statements which require clarification, yet you label me aggressive and stupid. You claim to be a 'skeptical'(?) yet suggest that everyone should avoid 'skeptical behaviours', very condescending, very patronising, you believe that skeptics are out to prove something etc. This is all typical, disruptive woo-woo behaviour. Don't expect any more posts by you to appear here.
Skepticals must get used to the idea that they will NEVER prove anything what they want to prove. But it doesn't mean they are right. Nobody is right, nobody wrong.
Everybody is right with him/her self only.
Personal beliefs don't have to be expressed as a rule or theory to be followed by others but oneself if they are fulfilling to oneself.
"Skepticals must get used to the idea that they will NEVER prove anything what they want to prove" - I and other skeptics point this out repeatedly - skepticism is NOT about trying to prove something to others. It is about approaching unproven claims with doubt. It isn't about projecting a negative and arrogant 'we're right and here's why' attitude.
Well, now you know how to approach unproven claims under the point of view of psychology, WITH NO DOUBT! , so you and the rest of skepticals don't waste more of your time neurotically on a pointless way to approach some things in life (trying to prove what you know you won't be able to prove).
"approach unproven claims under the point of view of psychology" - I'm not interested in why people believe certain things, only whether what they're believing in is true or not and has some basis in reality.
"trying to prove what you know you won't be able to prove" - again, skeptics are not out to prove anything.
"There's no such thing like true or not in beliefs"- I don't know whether or not you're a native English speaker, but this statement is too incoherent to make sense of. It isn't clear what you're trying to say.
"Astrology and other "SYMBOLIC SCIENCES" are only 100% in the psyche" - what the hell is that supposed to mean? Yet again, astrology has still not been shown to be a proven phenomenon, so all this explanatory mumbo-jumbo is redundant and meaningless.
Psychology is one thing. What are 'symbolic sciences'? What is 'the conception of spirituality'? If by "100% in the psyche" you mean that astrology is purely imaginary, then that I would agree with. If you mean something else, then you need to clarify.
You will find "Symbolic Science" and "Conception of spirituality" in psychology books,..EVEN GOOGLING THEM!!!!.. Is is too hard for you? you didn't know psychology had to do with people's beliefs and spirituality? is it now to you? wow.
Wikipedia, amazon, barnes and noble, go to the Psychology section and get some Car Jung's books. What else do you want me to do? to go with you to the bookstore and show you where is the Symbolic Science part?.
You are right, there's no information in english about "Symbolic Science" or" Conception of spirituality". But again, look in Wikipedia: Carl Jung, Spirituality , and you'll know what I mean.
I have some familiarity with Jung, but it's still not clear what you're on about. You seem to be inferring there is some connection between astrology and psychological processes. Is this accurate?
Didn't you know that all "spiritual" beliefs, traditions, symbolisms, religions, have to do with the human psyche? It's something created by humans. Why is it so difficult for you to understand the connection between symbolism, beliefs, and psychology?.
Now, if you don't give credit to psychology, let me know in order to save my time and energy.
Get out of your limited mind and read more about humanities, archeology, psychology, sociology. Get some culture and a more flexible mind. The problem here is that there's no way in hell you can analyze, not even understand the nature of the human being.
Once again, get some culture man, and don't say strongly wrong things like Im trotting meaningless terms, because that's not true and you are the one who is behaving like a moron, closed minded and ignorant.
The subject of the above video is not the humanities, archaeology, psychology or sociology. It is about astrology - a totally unproven, without even any consistent definition. The question is whether or not it merits serious study. So far, all the indications are that it does not. About all you could do is look at the underlying reasons as to why people believe such things. I am not here condemning psychologists, archaeologists or scientists. I am doubting the claims made by astrologers.
Listen, are you kidding me or you are talking about it seriously?
Astrology is part of a belief, is part of the human history, it was created by human's beliefs...now you get it? now you get my point? still lost?. So you still think it is not part of psychology, archaeology or humanities?
IT'S A BE-LIEF, everything that is BELIEF gets under the field of psychology
You're trying to explain it, and that doesn't interest me. I'm not a student of psychology, I'm not a historian. Why people practice this stuff and what part of the mind may cause such beliefs are not questions for me to answer. All I'm interested in is whether or not astrology works and whether the claims made by astrologers have any merit.
19 people aren't blissfully married.
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And PS. If you actually want to find out more about astrology, there are countless of free online sources where you can find information to get you started.
Bottom-line is an astrological chart is comprised of countless individual elements, and what the astrologer does is analyze each of them individually, then see how they fit together, in order to understand the whole. Sun sign means crap. It's one factor in over 1000 that make up a chart.
NightinGal89 2 months ago
@NightinGal89 I have looked into astrology carefully, along with ESP, psychokinesis, precognition, astral projection, scrying, dowsing, numerology, palmistry, levitation, crystal healing, fortune telling, ouija boards, tarot cards, the I-Ching and numerous other woo-woo phenomena. I have found no evidence whatsoever that any of the above are anything other than purely imaginary. If you can provide any such evidence, you will be the first to do so.
UncleFeedle 2 months ago
@UncleFeedle here you are, going on about evidence and "looked carefully into". Astrology is not the normal form of knowledge that society accepts.
Looking into it sounds ridiculous, since most astrologers only get the hang of it after many years of analyzing charts and learning what each symbol represents. It's not like a muffin recipe, or Java programming, that you can maybe look into for a few months and decide whether it works or not.
And how it works also depends on how you use it.
NightinGal89 2 months ago
@NightinGal89 By looking into, I mean I have taken the claims made by astrologers and tested them. On every occasion, I find that astrology provides results no better than random chance.
I'm not interested in how it works - only in whether it works at all. Until any astrologer can demonstrate that astrology has any basis in reality, it does not deserve any serious attention.
UncleFeedle 2 months ago
@UncleFeedle About "evidence"..I'm not sure what evidence you are looking for, since astrology shows human psychology, mostly. That's why it's most relevant in issues like personal understanding or relationship dynamics.
And it's also why the best astrologers also happen to be therapists, or at least have basic knowledge of psychology. Jung himself was an adept.
NightinGal89 2 months ago
@NightinGal89 By evidence, I mean astrologers demonstrating that astrology does what they claim it does under conditions in which they cannot cheat or obtain success through mere random chance.
UncleFeedle 2 months ago
@UncleFeedle Bottom-line is you believe what you choose, I'm not arguing for fun, I'm writing this because I'm tired of people who never analyze themselves and end up making all the mistakes that their charts warn against.
Sure, you can analyze yourself with just psychology, but astrology gives you insights into a person's mind that nobody from the outside can see.
NightinGal89 2 months ago
@NightinGal89 Yes you can believe what you choose. I prefer to have as many true beliefs and as few false beliefs as possible.
Does astrology provide results better than random chance?
UncleFeedle 2 months ago
Thank goodness for Randi.
Today there are religious extremists, birthers, truthers, history deniers, pseudoskeptics, and pure charlatans out there being ignorant and forcing other people to adopt their views/ scamming them.
AceofDlamonds 2 months ago
im nt saying at all that i believe in astrology being a valid practice bt i have to say i dnt get hw this proves anything...no 1 said its nt possible for uncompatible ppl nt to be together as a couple and so wat if sum1 was left without a partner within this group...
nycolbebraddy 3 months ago
hey just sayin, this sorta thing has been passed down in many generation in china just sayin
Krad3r1 4 months ago
No one can force people to believe, and i respect atheists, but there has to be a God if you ask me if you want to explain anything in the universe, i mean the chances of a cell coming forth out of no-life is the same as a tornado going thru a dumpsite and forming a boeing 747 completely without errors, or the same as letting 1000 blind people forming a Kubus of rubik and completing at exactly the same time, well i then rather believe in a God, excuse me if people find that stupid...
DomiDein 5 months ago
@DomiDein Abiogenesis explains how life can emerge from non-life. And complexity doesn't just pop into existence from some predetermined plan. Biological evolution is a very slow and gradual process, happening over billions of years. The evidence for this is overwhelming. And even if you reject all the evidence, that does not mean the god explanation then becomes viable.
UncleFeedle 5 months ago 10
@DomiDein look up the ultimate boeing 747 gambit broski
anvilheaded 5 months ago
What if everyone is a "God"? From the dictionary: "Noun: (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) The creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the Supreme Being."
Right there, I can only say the definition is very vague. I CAN say that everyone is a "God" because we all have a universe(in other words, our own little world). And we are the source of moral authority, because no one in the world is going to make you believe in something unless you want to.
RaredragonEXZ 5 months ago
Only twelve couples? what about fifty couples or more like REAL statistics uses.
rockpianoguy 5 months ago
Please don't feed the trolls, people.
SpaceMasterRahel 7 months ago
"I think I've broken up some happy couples."
What a load of nonsense. If a couple is so happy why do they need to be broken up?
DrIdaho 7 months ago 4
Astrology is a fraud that needs to be ridiculed and mocked without any apologies in public, full stop!
TheATHEISTNOW 7 months ago
I think James Randi is doing a grave disservice to a great number of people. If women stop believing in that astrological nonsense, then I can no longer use my pickup line "hey, baby, what's your sign?"
sleazybtd 9 months ago 2
i used to be atheist until i found out james randi is god
DietGrape 9 months ago
@DietGrape Well hes right about astrology being fake, but hes not a good role model hes gay and hes going to Hell. Read the quran.
happybunnysmiles 9 months ago
@happybunnysmiles They see me trollin. They hatin.
Kruezoraxe 9 months ago
@happybunnysmiles I hope you die.
LeeTheWatcher 9 months ago
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L0rwind 10 months ago
hear is a little hint for all of you, if you ever call a "psychic" phone line and they dont answer after one ring, they must not know you where going to call so just hang up lol
GeordyColeman 10 months ago
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I hate how at a time like this, people still care about sun signs. Everyone should be facing religion, praying to God, not dating, respecting parents, and be generous to everyone and pray every day and fear God.
happybunnysmiles 11 months ago
@happybunnysmiles There is as much evidence for your god as there is for the existence of astrology as a valid phenomena.
UncleFeedle 11 months ago 53
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@UncleFeedle But astrology is bullshit, and whoever believes inn God knows its a sin. Everyone should believe in Him, but dont worry they will go to Hell on the day of Judgement.
happybunnysmiles 11 months ago
@happybunnysmiles Unless you can provide some evidence to support your claims (biblical quotes don't count) there is no more reason to believe you than there is to believe the claims of an astrologer.
UncleFeedle 11 months ago 24
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@UncleFeedle It's something you have to believe in blindly, and isn't existing enough proof for you???
happybunnysmiles 11 months ago
@happybunnysmiles Existence is proof of existence. It says nothing about the cause. As to blind belief, I dismiss as irrational the notion of believing in something without any rational justification.
UncleFeedle 11 months ago 30
@UncleFeedle I absolutely love this.
"ITS BULLSHIT AND A SIN OF GOD THERE IS NO EVIDENCE"
"Where is your evidence for god?"
"THAT DOESN'T COUNT"
:D
uhhguy 10 months ago
@UncleFeedle Good point, it seems as though you thought of what you were going to say. A rarity these days..
steve4ha 9 months ago
@UncleFeedle Existence is proof of existence, i love it! straight , simple and to the point .but no matter how you try to explain it, they still dont get it. sooooo many athiests have tried to explain there is no god but for some reason people will only learn on there own : (
its a sad world we live in .
religion is a disease!!
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@happybunnysmiles
"It's something you have to believe in blindly, and isn't existing enough proof for you???"
Wow, in one sentence you flatly state that you have to believe it blindly, and then immediately contradict yourself by offering "proof."
johnjsal 8 months ago
@happybunnysmiles wow.. and you christians are supposed to be kind and forgiving..
pedrosanc07 10 months ago
@pedrosanc07 I'm not even Christian, I'm muslim and we are peaceful people as long as you listen to us
happybunnysmiles 10 months ago
@happybunnysmiles Yeah. Don't worry, they will go to Hell on the day of judgement. Horray for non believers going to hell, right? How Christ-like of you. Dick.
BillBuchananFtw 9 months ago
@UncleFeedle Evidence of God is all around you, and you are also evidence of God, unless you think the world made itself which is impossible, and if it is possible, u explain me how the world made itself without a creator, if you believe that your believe isn't base on what is logic but on ignorance, because many people don't WANT to believe in God.
DomiDein 5 months ago
@DomiDein This is the argument from ignorance. You do not know how life and the universe could have formed, so you attribute it to some divine, all-powerful entity creating it by magic. If you think something so complex must have had a creator behind it, then it stands to reason that this creator must be of a higher order than his creation. You are then stuck with the question of what created that creator. This is a logical fallacy known as special pleading.
UncleFeedle 5 months ago
@DomiDein does your god know everything. then he knows who will die as an atheist (before they are even born) hence he creates people destined for hell. what a great guy. or maybe he doesnt know , in which case he is even less powerful and a bit of a twat.
luciferslight100 4 months ago
@UncleFeedle
Exactly , no evidence for either of the silly myths
TheSteviecaldwell 4 months ago
@happybunnysmiles Hahaha, your comment is absolutely hilarious. Astrology and religion have ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS IN FACT. Your archaic myths and stories are not true. Accept it.
CRISNCHIPS12398 10 months ago
@happybunnysmiles
Excuse me but, what "god" are you talkin about ? Be more specific cuz there are thousands of them xD
NewtonBlog 9 months ago 4
@NewtonBlog my favourite god is Kratos from 'god of war III' ^^
RelativelyHostile1 3 months ago
why do people still believe in a bunch of myths made up by people thousands of years ago?
haven't people realized this is just like alchemy, vitalism, flat earth, creationism, and all those other outdated pseudoscientific theories?
xenomann442 1 year ago 4
seriously how astrology is still defended is beyond understanding.
Heffsta02 1 year ago
This angers me to be honest. So much of this stuff is harmless but they often cross a line. She says that "you can clearly get on with someone you're not right for". You don't get to claim you have truth unless you can demonstrate that truth you horrible charlatan, you have no right to tell people they're with the "wrong" partner. And secondly, by suggesting that people should be able to get on with people who aren't 'right' for them, she is in fact suggesting that her astrology is pointless.
chebob2009 1 year ago 2
How can this shit even be believed by anyone? Stars somehow having an effect on an individuals personality???
ghandi8749 1 year ago 2
People looked at the movement of the stars to predict when they would have to hunt and sow their land. This made them believe the Gods made those stars for them so they could predict all manners of things. Also because certainty is preferred over uncertainty, they continued doing it.
Saturn throws some rocks out of our solar system so they don't collide with earth (preventing a mass extinction due to meteors every thousand years or so).
Thunderios 1 year ago
not the best randi demonstration. where is the obvious glare of stupidity that he usually brings out in these peoples skills?
lachlunn 1 year ago
I love how people in fields such as astrology can always find a way to weezel through a point. He just showed that the compatability findings of astrology didn't match the true compatability at all. Then suddenly: "Oh well that doesn't mean anything, there are tons of other tests we could do!" Well fuck.
AsellusPrimus 1 year ago
this is a fake bastard, old guy dont find any other source to earn =D
FarhanNaveed 1 year ago
@FarhanNaveed what a stupid comment
ebrobaru 1 year ago
The planets do indeed affect my life. The first by incredibly small gravitational attraction and the second by kindly not colliding with the Earth.
HRRyan2 1 year ago 3
what sign&house saturn is in ur chart determines how&where u have2really push4results. planets tell u what, signs tell u how, houses tell u where
indyscribable 1 year ago
yes, every planet affects ur individual life. Saturn, in particular, is assoc with work, discipline, limitations, duty&responsibility...the areas in ur life where u have to seriously work hard2accomplish
indyscribable 1 year ago
Saturn is a giant ball of mostly liquid hydrogen, some 820 million miles from Earth. Please explain how and why it affects human personality at the moment of birth.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago 64
@UncleFeedle I feel the Largest Impact Saturn has in our daily lives is not crashing into earth. apart from that,however, nothing
MrBlah15000 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle I myself am a sceptic, but about astrology it has always occured to me that if everything in the universe is in a particular position on a particular day that could in some way I can't quantify affect the course of your life in the way the weather may govern your choice of clothing, in some minor chaos theory kind of way. Whether these people can chart that or not is another matter.
ninemen123 1 year ago
@ninemen123 Well, its said that if you knew the exact location and movement of every atom in the universe at precisely the same moment, you could (in theory) predict the future perfectly. If astrologers are able to do something like this, albeit in a very limited way, some degree of accuracy has to be demonstrated.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago 2
@ninemen123
But what you're basically describing is SCIENCE. Yes, if we knew everything about the universe a lot of scientists think we'd be able to predict almost anything (i.e determinism). The problem is, these people clearly don't know a thing about the universe and they're not interested in finding out either. They're interested in making money from gullibility- nothing more.
chebob2009 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle physics says that gravity is infinite. everything has an effect on everything else! do i believe undecided do i care NO!!
tim0090 4 months ago
@tim0090 Please clarify what you mean by 'gravity is infinite'.
UncleFeedle 4 months ago
@UncleFeedle gravity's range is infinite.
tim0090 4 months ago
@tim0090 While this is theoretically correctly, across vast distances, the effect of gravity becomes infinitely small. Eventually you reach a point where it becomes negligible. In any case, what does this have to do with astrology?
UncleFeedle 4 months ago
@UncleFeedle if i may, because psychics say they do and apparently we can't deny them because of no scientific research.
Krad3r1 4 months ago
@UncleFeedle
LOL
TeslaDRay 4 months ago
youre the one questioning astrology...the burden of research lies with you
indyscribable 1 year ago
I have done. I have both investigated it and tested it with negative results. When I state this to astrologers, they come up with all manner of rationalizations. How am I supposed to get any further with it when astrologers cannot even decide between themselves what astrology is and what it is capable of? Until a single astrologer can provide conclusive evidence obtained under proper observing conditions, I dismiss astrology as total bunk.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago 16
@indyscribable "youre the one questioning astrology...the burden of research lies with you"
If there would be supporting evidence that astrology is true, you'd be right.
However, there isn't so the burden of proof is on the people who claim it's true, not the other way around.
PDzero 1 year ago 2
@indyscribable actually, the saying is "Burden of proof" so by that the burden applies to you :-)
valdemar8 1 year ago
@indyscribable You have it backward. If astrologists make positive claims, they should be able to demonstrate that those claims are accurate.
BrooklynRagtag 1 year ago 2
@indyscribable
The burden of research perhaps. Not the burden of proof though- something far more important!
chebob2009 1 year ago
maybe it would be open2subjective interpretation, but u know u better than me...or do u? here's what will reveal all: 1)dob 2)time of birth 3)location of birth. with those3things i could tell u the specific focuses in ur life, the things u tend2put in top priority, &more importantly y u feel that way. y not prove me wrong? enlighten urself
indyscribable 1 year ago
You are the one making the claim that astrology works. The burden of proof lies with you.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
ive been studying this4years...not asking others opinions but actually reading the books myself. i also personally looked up the birth charts of many people i know and studied them for proof
indyscribable 1 year ago
there lies ur problem...u keep asking other people instead of looking it up urself. look up astrology in the dictionary. then tell any astrologer theyre wrong when they say it has nothing2do with the positions of the planets
indyscribable 1 year ago
Some astrologers agree with the dictionary definition, some modify it and others flatly disagree. I've encountered astrologers who would say that you are wrong and have publicly stated that it has nothing to do with the motion of planets. Adding to the confusion is that there are different varieties of astrology - natal, vedic, sun, etc. Proponents of different types all claim that only their brand of astrology is the real deal and the others are not. Who is right?
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
I can't stand this paranormal clownish bullshit. And it's always about something that the common person would be interested in, such as their sex life. That's why when you go to any damn grocery store, there are tiny pamphlets near the check outs that talk about how your finances will change, how your love life will be. Only the feeble minded are interested in this bullshit and actually are gullible enough to believe that a small paper will tell them everything they need to know.
TFWC88 1 year ago
the planets tell u what, the signs tell u how, the houses tell u where
indyscribable 1 year ago
a "professional" said that?!? the definition of astrology is "the study of the position&aspects of celestial bodies(planets)". Either u misinterpreted what they were saying or they're wrong. EVERYTHING is affected by the position of the planets. let me know ur dob&birth city. i'll prove it.
indyscribable 1 year ago
I have had at least two supposedly pro astrologers tell me that astrology is not related to the motions and positions of planets. Herein lies the problem - astrologers cannot agree on what astrology is. I have been provided with at least 12 definitions over the last three years. The demonstration you are suggesting would provide results open to subjective interpretation. If you really want to prove that astrology is credible, you will need to provide a better means than that.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
SunSign compatibilty has more2do w/ease than actual compatibility. "Incompatible" signs r actually more physically attracted than the compatible ones. its how ALL the planets relate2 1another that determines if it'll last thoughh
indyscribable 1 year ago
SunSign=GeneralIdentity, Mars=SexDrive, Venus=Love. it depends on where the planets were when u were born. 4example, im Pisces but my Mars=Scorpio&my Venus=Aquarius. tho i can be romantic&emotional(pisces), im usually attracted2quirky, intellectuals(aquarius) that can keep up with my libido(scorpio). the deeper u get n2 it the more u understand how2people w/same sign can b so different. tell me ur bday&cityofBirth&i'll tell u who ur attracted2, if ur still skeptical.
indyscribable 1 year ago
I have had self-proclaimed professional astrologers tell me that astrology has nothing to do with the positions and motions of planets. How do you explain this contradiction?
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
Are you saying that the position of let's say, Saturn, plays some part in determining the personality traits of an individual at the moment of birth?
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
james randi is a psuedo skeptic. He does not ask questions to try to understand new things, but judges them by whether they fit into the established order. He applies "critical thinking" only to that which opposes the status quo, but never to the status quo itself. Hes not interested in truth, evidence or facts, only in defending the views of establishment. ridiculous. look at this video with a vedic astrolger on michael shermans show. . watch?v=C6k7xa1NrCc
jordanmarcus 1 year ago
@jordanmarcus No, Randi judges things by whether their effects can be demonstrated in a simple, controlled test. If you're asking him to be skeptical of the scientific method as a whole, then you should realize that's a pretty tall order.
Yaktron 1 year ago
that demonstration only proves that neither Randi nor the astrologer really knows anything about astrology. There's more to it than just the month&day you were born
indyscribable 1 year ago
So what is it then? I've been waiting for a consistent answer to this since 2007.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
One... question: why is it structured by the man?
daddyleon 1 year ago
i can't believe that i ever believed in astrology :/
ichelleray 1 year ago 2
Damn, "astrology" is maybe the most retarded form of superstition there is! : )
winterstellar 1 year ago 2
HaahaHAAHAAaahahaha!!
...well Carol I hope that you make a lot of people very happy!
NerdSferatu 1 year ago
It is amazing that any astrologers agree to participate in tests like this. The tests are doomed to show them wrong and whatever explanation they come up with after the obvious failure has slight weight if any in this setup. Anyone with an interest in astrology, be it on the positive or the negative side, should first of all dig deeper into the subject than James Randi is capable of and maybe take a look at the works of Michel Gauquelin.
filiamia 1 year ago
@filiamia yeah, and you will find out how his data was all flawed and biased
ebrobaru 1 year ago
Only way for the survival of the human race and the sustainability of our planet is to dramatically reduce the exponentially increasing population. If we continue like this and abide by the fundamental law of
"not kill", morals and ethics will be the end of our species.
FailingTube 1 year ago
so who is to say that the couples she paired would not have got along better than the spouse they were already with? I am naturally a skeptic but i have to say astrology is something i have grown to believe in.. if u are honest with yourself the stars can teach! :)
torkonwalker 1 year ago
@torkonwalker they can teach what?
ebrobaru 1 year ago
I just wanna see someone come on and explain it with "i've wasted my life... dear god it's all wrong!!!!"
DarkKnightBob1o1 1 year ago
complaints again eh
garciaalvin3 1 year ago
Randi is always so satisfied with himself when a psychic fails. He's just so giddy he has to rub it in their faces with dry sarcasm. I love this guy.
MasterJurgen 1 year ago
James randi is a pretty cool guy. He pwns psycics all day and don't afraid of anything.
TheDeistAngle 1 year ago
Randi right again of course !
phulme61 1 year ago
Eh, astrology's pretty much bullshit but it's perfectly harmless and quite fun.
I'm a Capricorn and my first girlfriend was a Virgo, which was perfect star sign compatability and we had a good relationship, but I don't think it proves anything.
After all, I went out with an Aries next and Capricorns are meant to not get on well with them at all. :)
TheEmpress666 1 year ago
@TheEmpress666 Weird coincidence, I'm a capricorn too, and was involved in a very strong relationship with a virgo as well!
I can't help but get the sense that there is a statistical significance, but I'd be willing to attribute it to the power of suggestion and self-fulfilling prophecy, which is a power undeniable
Sklurch 1 year ago
Fire in sky make me like woman.
robotpanda77 1 year ago 2
Ouch!
astrologysongs 1 year ago
"well i think it proves the point that uhm a lot of people can get on with people that aren't necessarily right for them" but isn't that at least a part of what compatibility is??
gaulpaul 1 year ago
For eg, Aries may be compatible with Leo, but if the Leo Sun person has a Capricorn Moon-Mars conjunction, they'll drive each other crazy.
NightinGal89 1 year ago
This video is not only an insult to astrology, but also an insult to any person watching it. It's like they pay these bozos to make a fool of themselves. Real astrologers would've left them with some heavy shit to think about.
Sun sign analysis doesn't prove anything. It's completely pointless. The Sun sign makes out less than the 100th part of the profile an astrological chart can describe.
NightinGal89 1 year ago
Here we go yet again. Ok...please define 'real astrology'.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle defining it is not exactly the most important thing to do, now, is it? Defining in itself is just a process our brains need to go through in order to "register" and incorporate new information into our whole spider web of a mind. We still haven't really "defined" water, but we still reap the benefits of it, don't we?
The point is whether it works or not. I am not saying it's the sort of thing you should follow blindly, but it can help in life situations in which nothing else can.
NightinGal89 1 year ago
Anyone with a basic education can define what water is. In order to determine whether or not astrology works, we first have to define it through its capabilities and limitations.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago 4
@UncleFeedle "Anyone with a basic education can define what water is"
Defining is something that happens after choosing a frame of reference, or a perspective. And water is not entirely defined, fyi. Did you know, for instance, that studies conducted in some parts of the world are gathering evidence which shows water's ever-changing molecular structure is actually an information-storage system?
NightinGal89 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle The point is if you simply try to classify and break down things based on what you already know and understand, just because you feel "threatened" by a new perspective you're not even fit to judge.
NightinGal89 1 year ago
If you cannot even define what astrology is in even the most basic terms eg. an art, a science, a viewpoint, a technique for finding out xxx, etc., then the only logical conclusion is that it isn't anything.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago 24
@UncleFeedle Um, I've got exactly zero belief in astrology. But, that's got to be the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. You're suggesting that semantics dictates reality? That's downright absurd.
BloatedSensations 1 year ago
Astrologers cannot offer any consistent definition of astrology. Nor can they provide any evidence that it manifests in reality. If I say X exists but neither I nor supporters of X agree on what X, how it can be demonstrated or what we can do with it, X becomes nothing more than a meaningless label. What is 'astrology' other than a word?
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle No, the requirement of a precise definition is a logical cop-out. Reality is not dictated by human semantics - the universe exists, the way it exists, independent of our language. So, whether we have a clear definition of any given phenomena says absolutely nothing as to whether or not the phenomena exists - therefore, requiring such a definition, in any measure, to determine reality is a logical fallacy.
BloatedSensations 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle IF, for instance, astrology were generating empirically measurable data, whether or not we had a clear definition of what "astrology" is would be meaningless. In fact, to enforce such requisites is pure anti-science. In science, definitions are built from empirical observation, not the other way around. So, it is not necessary that astrologers provide any sort of definition. All that is necessary is that they provide empirically testable data.
BloatedSensations 1 year ago
Perhaps I should expand on my original comment. It is true that astrologers cannot settle on a consistent definition. However, many of the definitions I have been given explain what astrology is capable of eg. 'a means of identifying energies'(?) This has resulted in astrologers making differing (and often contradictory) claims, all with no supporting evidence. Since they cannot agree, we don't know what we're even supposed to be looking at, and don't know what would constitute evidence.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
It's commonly understood that astrology, in fundamental terms, is a belief that the position and movements of celestial bodies exert influence over earthly events and affairs. What one person's specific definition is compared to another's is irrelevant. If there is empirical data to support such influences, it's valid. If there isn't, it's not. Whether there is a consensus regarding a specific and precise definition of the apparent "craft" of interpreting such influence doesn't matter.
BloatedSensations 1 year ago
Not all astrologers agree with your definition. A number of them have told me that astrology has nothing to do with the motion of planets or celestial objects. This is the problem - they cannot decide what the actual claim is, so we don't know what supporting evidence might consist of.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
@NightinGal89 and And FYI water has not been entirely defined. Did you know, for instance, that studies have been going on for decades which suggest that water's molecular structure is actually an information-storage system?
NightinGal89 1 year ago
Big deal. I can write pages on the nature of water. What can you offer about astrology?
UncleFeedle 1 year ago 11
@NightinGal89 i hope you arent talking about something like homeopathy.
mistereveready 1 year ago
@NightinGal89 Is this the same information storage system that homeopathy claims water is, where water has the memory of every molecule it's come into contact with?
chr1sred 1 year ago
exactly, the point is whether it works or not, and it doesn't.
DarkCrono100 1 year ago
@NightinGal89 - What then is 'real' astrology? Please define it.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago 5
@UncleFeedle it's simply a tool. People who use it do just that-use it, they don't take it as a kind of infallible religion, or guide their lives solely by it.
You can use it in virtually all areas of life, because it shows the undercurrent of human society, our collective unconscious, if you will.
NightinGal89 2 months ago
@NightinGal89 Does it provide results better than what you would get from random chance?
UncleFeedle 2 months ago
@UncleFeedle For instance, if you analyze the charts of countries, you will be amazed at how well they show the general issues and trends within that culture, based on the energies, or archetypes, or whatever you wanna call them, that were active on the exact time and date of the "birth" of a country.
Like German people being famous for their discipline and focus on hard work, productivity and quality, perfectly illustrated by Sun conjunct Mercury in Capricorn, and Saturn in Capricorn.
NightinGal89 2 months ago
@NightinGal89 Just when I think that astrology cannot become even more ridiculous, I'm now told that entire countries have their own star signs as well. Your "discipline and focus on hard work, productivity and quality" is a ridiculous generalisation. It could apply to any one of dozens of countries (my first thought would be Japan or Sweden) and even then your claim is reliant on stereotyping and personal interpretation.
UncleFeedle 2 months ago
@UncleFeedle People who use astrology know that Capricorn energy is everything that has to do with perseverence, hard work, and patience. It is Cardinal Earth, Cardinal meaning ambitious, self-starting, autonomous energy, and Earth representing pragmatism, a focus on "what works", and nothing else.
NightinGal89 2 months ago
@NightinGal89 What exactly is this 'energy'? How do you define and measure it?
UncleFeedle 2 months ago
@UncleFeedle what you are basically trying to say is that astrology is not a science, which I didn't find necessary to mention, because it is goddamn obvious.
NightinGal89 2 months ago
@NightinGal89 Some astrologers would disagree with you. Three years ago I began asking astrologers exactly what astrology is and to date have been given 15 distinct definitions. They cannot agree on what it is. I don't think astrology is anything at all, other than a delusion.
UncleFeedle 2 months ago
@UncleFeedle I realize that we are living in the age of "if it cannot be reproduced in a lab, countless times, to the same result, it doesn't exist", but to actually live by this means you are either terrified of leaving your comfort zone, or just plain stupid.
There are other forms of knowledge other than the scientific one. Of course, you do need intuition to get to that.
But since we're talking facts, I believe it was J.P. Morgan who said: "Millionaires don't use astrology. Billionaires do."
NightinGal89 2 months ago
@NightinGal89 1. Please define astrology. 2. What is astrology capable of? 3. What are its limitations?
UncleFeedle 2 months ago
@NightinGal89 pwned!
ebrobaru 2 months ago
@UncleFeedle Capricorn represents the stage of maximum success in the physical world, it is why it is symbolized by the goat which climbs the mountain- no matter how painful and steep the climb is, Capricorn pushes people to keep climbing.
If you analyze the charts of famous people, those with Capricorn/Saturn-heavy charts are those who often succeed by sheer endurance and hard work, often after a long, gruelling obstacle-run.
NightinGal89 2 months ago
@NightinGal89 Great. Now just demonstrate this under controlled conditions and become a millionaire.
UncleFeedle 2 months ago
You post insults and incoherent statements which require clarification, yet you label me aggressive and stupid. You claim to be a 'skeptical'(?) yet suggest that everyone should avoid 'skeptical behaviours', very condescending, very patronising, you believe that skeptics are out to prove something etc. This is all typical, disruptive woo-woo behaviour. Don't expect any more posts by you to appear here.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
Skepticals must get used to the idea that they will NEVER prove anything what they want to prove. But it doesn't mean they are right. Nobody is right, nobody wrong.
Everybody is right with him/her self only.
Personal beliefs don't have to be expressed as a rule or theory to be followed by others but oneself if they are fulfilling to oneself.
So stop the pointless confrontation.
fkoff99 1 year ago
"Skepticals must get used to the idea that they will NEVER prove anything what they want to prove" - I and other skeptics point this out repeatedly - skepticism is NOT about trying to prove something to others. It is about approaching unproven claims with doubt. It isn't about projecting a negative and arrogant 'we're right and here's why' attitude.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle
Well, now you know how to approach unproven claims under the point of view of psychology, WITH NO DOUBT! , so you and the rest of skepticals don't waste more of your time neurotically on a pointless way to approach some things in life (trying to prove what you know you won't be able to prove).
fkoff99 1 year ago
"approach unproven claims under the point of view of psychology" - I'm not interested in why people believe certain things, only whether what they're believing in is true or not and has some basis in reality.
"trying to prove what you know you won't be able to prove" - again, skeptics are not out to prove anything.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle
There's no such thing like true or not in beliefs! omg! have some capacity for synthesis and analysis and put the pieces together!
Why is it so difficult for you to understand that?
fkoff99 1 year ago
"There's no such thing like true or not in beliefs"- I don't know whether or not you're a native English speaker, but this statement is too incoherent to make sense of. It isn't clear what you're trying to say.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle
Maybe you need common sense instead.
fkoff99 1 year ago
Astrology and other "SYMBOLIC SCIENCES" are only 100% in the psyche..a field only covered, so far, by Jungian Psychology.
Not everybody can understand that. But everyone should read more about that in order to understand beliefs and the conception of spirituality.
fkoff99 1 year ago
"Astrology and other "SYMBOLIC SCIENCES" are only 100% in the psyche" - what the hell is that supposed to mean? Yet again, astrology has still not been shown to be a proven phenomenon, so all this explanatory mumbo-jumbo is redundant and meaningless.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle
did you read my whole comment?
Read about Jungian Psychology man! ..if you don't agree with psychology neither, then NEVERMIND. lol.
fkoff99 1 year ago
Psychology is one thing. What are 'symbolic sciences'? What is 'the conception of spirituality'? If by "100% in the psyche" you mean that astrology is purely imaginary, then that I would agree with. If you mean something else, then you need to clarify.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle
You will find "Symbolic Science" and "Conception of spirituality" in psychology books,..EVEN GOOGLING THEM!!!!.. Is is too hard for you? you didn't know psychology had to do with people's beliefs and spirituality? is it now to you? wow.
fkoff99 1 year ago
Under 'definition of Symbolic Science' I find nothing.
Under 'conception of spirituality' I find various woo-woo definitions of spirituality.
An author might choose to use these as titles or chapters in a book, but without clear definitions, they mean nothing.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle
Wikipedia, amazon, barnes and noble, go to the Psychology section and get some Car Jung's books. What else do you want me to do? to go with you to the bookstore and show you where is the Symbolic Science part?.
fkoff99 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle
You are right, there's no information in english about "Symbolic Science" or" Conception of spirituality". But again, look in Wikipedia: Carl Jung, Spirituality , and you'll know what I mean.
fkoff99 1 year ago
I have some familiarity with Jung, but it's still not clear what you're on about. You seem to be inferring there is some connection between astrology and psychological processes. Is this accurate?
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle
Didn't you know that all "spiritual" beliefs, traditions, symbolisms, religions, have to do with the human psyche? It's something created by humans. Why is it so difficult for you to understand the connection between symbolism, beliefs, and psychology?.
Now, if you don't give credit to psychology, let me know in order to save my time and energy.
fkoff99 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle
It's not clear for you because you don't know anything about Jungian Psychology, that is why .
fkoff99 1 year ago
Nope, it's because you're trotting out meaningless terms such as 'symbolic sciences'.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle
It's not meaningless, once again, read, it's documented on psychology books. Is it too hard to understand for you too?
fkoff99 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle
Get out of your limited mind and read more about humanities, archeology, psychology, sociology. Get some culture and a more flexible mind. The problem here is that there's no way in hell you can analyze, not even understand the nature of the human being.
Once again, get some culture man, and don't say strongly wrong things like Im trotting meaningless terms, because that's not true and you are the one who is behaving like a moron, closed minded and ignorant.
fkoff99 1 year ago
The subject of the above video is not the humanities, archaeology, psychology or sociology. It is about astrology - a totally unproven, without even any consistent definition. The question is whether or not it merits serious study. So far, all the indications are that it does not. About all you could do is look at the underlying reasons as to why people believe such things. I am not here condemning psychologists, archaeologists or scientists. I am doubting the claims made by astrologers.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle
Listen, are you kidding me or you are talking about it seriously?
Astrology is part of a belief, is part of the human history, it was created by human's beliefs...now you get it? now you get my point? still lost?. So you still think it is not part of psychology, archaeology or humanities?
IT'S A BE-LIEF, everything that is BELIEF gets under the field of psychology
fkoff99 1 year ago
You're trying to explain it, and that doesn't interest me. I'm not a student of psychology, I'm not a historian. Why people practice this stuff and what part of the mind may cause such beliefs are not questions for me to answer. All I'm interested in is whether or not astrology works and whether the claims made by astrologers have any merit.
UncleFeedle 1 year ago
@UncleFeedle
Skepticals claim they need evidence of God, of spiritual things, psi activity, etc..
Im just trying to show you in what area Astrology works, and why you can not prove it.
Too complicated for an skeptical, isn't it?.