THR 347 Coupe All Motor Mustang VS Big Block Camaro Race Car

[lvlik9]

@untoldguitarist..Yeah you could sink $30,000 into any car of your choice and rape a zr1, but only where at, at the drag strip...thats right only at the drag strip.

1) will it stop faster...no...2) do it have ac...no 3) does it have power steering...no 4) can you drive it out of town comfortably...no 5) will it get the same mpg as a zr1 ..no,and so on..you get what you pay for....why talk about shit about a certain brand,ford,chevy,mopar.dont matter what you drive,is it fast, I like them all

[need2speed94]

Definitely agree with cam92rss.. although the argument between Ford vs. Chevy can be good in a way, always good competition. Just people take it to another level and say that one is complete trash and the other is so much better. Truth is they took different routes and have different ways of making power. GM generally uses the higher displacement pushrods (LS7) and Ford went with boosted small displacement OHC's (blown mod 5.4 4v). (in general). Domestic > Import.

[anthony1bad351]

I here space ships..

[fourwheelerjock]

@TheGreatWoody89 high 10s on a 5 speed all motor

[fourwheelerjock]

@TheGreatWoody89 10 second coupe

[cam92rss]

I'm a little late on the shit talking huh. From what I understand, untoldguitarist hates GM. Had his childhood handed to him on a silver platter, and becuase his dad was rich, got him working some where good because of his connections.. Also, all chevy needs is a dz302 to whoop a 351c. Not a 350. 10,000 is all I need in my 78 camaro to run 10's. And I do the work myself. I don't think it should be a fight between gm and ford anymore. It SHOULD be us vs imports. Just sayin...

[cam92rss]

I'm a litle

[studgangsta]

pushrods for life

[kwikbug]

Hmmm, sense a bit of hostility here!

Would still pick a chevy over a ford anyday!

Where I come from ford stands for First On Rubbish Dump!! But give me a turboe'd bug and i'll be even happier!!

[TheLT1driver]

if thats such a "race car" why does it only run 1 second faster in the quarter then my trans am....

[Vikturus2k6]

Cause its in the 12 second class..

Judging by the mods, its not really a daily driver, altho could, but isnt practical, and for insurance reasons, it maybe put under racecar.

[TheLT1driver]

thats tru was just thinkin when they call it a race car they really mean race car. lol

[Vikturus2k6]

As would I. I dunno, they're call I guess.

[heihachi77]

I love Mustangs... I love Muscle cars!!! but this one, fuck u chevy fan assholes, hahaha... Mustangs are kings of Muscle cars, who u think u fucking wit eh?

[red83944]

ford= Fags Only Ride Dick. no but seriously chevy has been faster then ford for a long time. ever heard of a corvette, camaro, chevelle, nova. I can go on but why? you already know

[heihachi77]

yeah... thats why my Mustang took your chevy camaro.... because its only for fags who ride dicks, right? hehahaha...

Get a Mustang dude... get a Cobra... real Muscle car,

[red83944]

you shart gargling bitch fag i was kidding. you took my camaro??? pretty possible seeing as i drive a red 88 droptop gt. CHEVY IS BETTER BUT FORD IS FUN

[untoldguitarist]

Chevy is better for a fucking boat anchor

[red83944]

riggggghhhhhhtttttt. not really

[untoldguitarist]

Please do go look at the Ford vs. GM shoot out in this Month's Hot Rod Issue. 69' FORD Boss 302ci beats the 69' GM DZ 302ci stock vs. stock ; The 70' FORD 351ci CJ beats the 70' GM 350ci LT-1 stock vs. stock, And then GM lovers in the magazine try to compare a 327ci GM vs. 289ci Ford like yeah that is even in the same CI range right? and the 327Ci had barely 50 more Hp with 38CI MORE, But why didn't they compare a 283ci SBC vs. the 289ci SBF; I know because the FORD would have raped it in HP.

[untoldguitarist]

And if they compare the 327ci to the FORD BOSS 302CI it still would have lost, So use your fucking brain and do some research on the topic and stop jerking off to SUMMIT RACING Catalogs. Ford has always underrated the actual power of their v8's from the factory and still do even today. But GM always has to compare a bigger v8 versus the smallest FORD V8 to make them feel like they have accomplished something in life. Sorry I just stating FACTS and I will say FORD> (G)arbage (M)otor's any day

[killercobras]

Question, Why 347? if you could go as fast or faster with a 311... How high are you spinning them 347?

[THRstang]

First off, this is another blk coupe that i have. It's a 347 with 345 rwhp runing 11's in street trim at 4200 ft elevation. (That's 10.80's at sea level!)

Secondly, the black coupe for $25k runs low 10's on motor, has 475 rwhp all motor, and about $30k in parts alone. Do the math, a low 10 sec car for $25k turn key with it's build components is a diamond in the rough. For more info check our other vids for the twin to this one.

[TheGreatWoody89]

Oh, alright that makes a lot more sense, I apologize.

[aslugger07]

hell you could buy a stock 03-04 cobra for $18-20 grand and throw 5 grand worth of parts and be runnin over 700 hp

[untoldguitarist]

I agree and the those era's of Modern Cobra's will give most cars a run for their money.

[red83944]

yea still no

[untoldguitarist]

You're fucking ignorant if you can't except the FACTS that FORD builds better V8's then GM ever since DAY fucking one between the battle of the two companies. I would love to see a N/A GM 350ci run 8.3's in the 1/4 mile like the 351C Ford can do N/A and none stroked either? That's right it will never fucking happen in a million years. You're about as smart as the kid on here talking shit about my 70' Mercury Cougar Xr-7 I am restoring; Thinking that his Garbage LS-1 3800LB Camaro . Cont

[untoldguitarist]

Could even hang with my car once it is built that only weighs 3160LB's w/ 351W.Sorry but once again not in a million years. And GM had to build a all Aluminum LS-1 to get what 380 HP and FUEL INJECTED when the 70' 351 CJ CAST IRON CLEVELAND was underrated at 300HP@5400 RPM's but actually had 365HP@5800 RPM's and 379 FTLB@3800 with a tiny 600CFM Autolite 4300 4BBL CARB. Shit just imagine building a all Aluminum CLEVELAND and see what power it produces; My guessing it would have around 500HP stock

[red83944]

yea STILL no. .

[red83944]

lol at you

[untoldguitarist]

More like you're the one ANTI Ford right but OWN a Mustang. How does that make any sense at all? You're just most likely another little high school bitch boy that has everything handed to him on a silver platter; When on the other hand with ME, I payed for everything I own including the 70' Xr-7 Cougar with CASH MONEY. I love to see a GM Cast Iron SB V8 that is even in the same league as the 71' BOSS 351 Cleveland and is the same displacement range? I will be waiting for LONG TIME. FORD>gm

[red83944]

im not really anti ford. i like ford but chevy is still better. and yea i did get everything i wanted when i was little kid cause my dad wasent a welfare getting broke bitch like yours must have been. i have good schooling for what i want to do in the future and can easily obtain that position whenever i am ready to. so you can be a butt hurt little child if you want its your desicion. and btw ill buy my z06 when i get my house.

[untoldguitarist]

I wouldn't say my dad was broke when he was making $40 an HOUR + TIME AND A HALF after 8hrs in a day working for the Alaskan Pipeline, And then he got laid off and we moved to FL then was making $150,000 a yr starting out in Truck Driving. So yeah you can say I always lived in a nice house and they always had nice cars, But when I was old enough to work a JOB my dad made me buy my first car with none of his help at all. Z06 LMAO overpriced garbage when you could even buy a older GM and build it.

[red83944]

@untoldguitarist yea no and your a joke. btw xr-7 couger my ass. doesnt the 70 xr-7 come with a 7L engine not the 351. lol you still suck

[untoldguitarist]

Um once again NO that was a extra OPTION you had to pay for when ordering a XR-7 Cougar , Seriously you sound like you don't know shit about cars at all and YES Mine is a H CODE 351W and the H CODE MEANING 2BBL CARB MOTOR. Also mine is one of XR-7 2D Hardtops: 18,565 made, Meaning it will only climb in value year after year.And the best part it weighs less then Modern Corvette's, Supra's,Camaro's,Skyline's and almost every performance ever made and while having a V8 power plant. zo6=PUSSY CAR

[untoldguitarist]

That's sad when I could sink say $30,000 into it of performance parts including the building the Engine, Suspension, Rear End, etc and it will RAPE a ZR-1 Vette for what around $75,000 dollars less. And I don't have to have a BLOWER to get 600+ HP like GM had to do to make that Vette worth a shit for performance. One Day though you will become a man and realize what a Real Muscle Car is and forget about the (G)arbage (M)otors everyone and there brother owns one vehicle and get a MOPAR OR FORD.

[untoldguitarist]

And you still never answered my question. What CAST IRON SBC 350ci do you know of that can even compete against the 71' BOSS 351 C? I might have to wait a long fucking time for this question to be answered by you.

[aslugger07]

it'll take a while cause they know ur right, they're just mad that that OUR tax dollars had to bail GM's ass out cause NOBODY wants to buy their SHIT

[untoldguitarist]

I know because the kid is a dumb ass punk bitch that sucked on his mother's tits to get through life and most likely still does. And you're correct GM is fucking retarded company when the Government gave them TWO BAIL OUTS WORTH OF MONEY and they still cannot get the (G)arbage(M)otors company together, and you know what I could honestly care less if GM went out of business tomorrow. It would just be one less piece of shit company I would have to look at their shitty vehicle's everyday.

[suprbird]

I think a stroked 351 is the best motor out there. Fuck 350's, im sick of them.

[untoldguitarist]

@suprbird I agree you can get some impressive HP and TQ #'s with a 351C OR W Stroker Motor.

[red83944]

@untoldguitarist OOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH MY BAD idont know everything about everything. sorrrrrrryyyyy. doesnt matter though. youre still a douche. and still no

[untoldguitarist]

Its called doing research before running you're mouth like punk little bitch's do.

[red83944]

WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO RESEARCH on SOMETHING TO IMPESS YOU.dont think so. being a retard is not a good life choice but you're free to do what you wish.

[untoldguitarist]

Yeah let me tell you I am one big retard when I am my own BOSS and I am a REAL ESTATE INVESTOR and I MAKE MORE MONEY THEN YOU CAN EVEN DREAM OF MAKING. Also I didn't know IMPESS was a word , Maybe that is a HINT right their that you probably listen to garbage RAP music that made you a ignorant SOB that is still sucking on his MOMS tits to make by in life and The SHORT BUS is calling you're name little bitch.

[tremail12]

@untoldguitarist rap doesn't make you ignorant. the people listening to the rap think they're gangsters. when knowing they never had a fight in their life. no need to get mad over youngsters typing non-sense on youtube. keep bashing gm. you made some good comments.

[untoldguitarist]

@tremail12 Thanks for the complement . Yeah I grew out of that GM stage in life real quick after I owned a 80' WS6 Trans AM and the motor blew up while I opened it up on the highway when I was 18.

[Archafka]

@untoldguitarist dude ur a fag

[red83944]

oh and i forgot!!!! LOL AT YOU. hahhahahahahahahahahahaahahaha­hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahah­haha you suck.

[suprbird]

@THRstang If I had the money I would buy one of your coupes, you guys build some sweet cars. I am getting sick of LS1's and LT1's being everywhere.

[tremail12]

@THRstang whoa! 475rwhp and you spent 30k. something is wrong here. how much does the car weigh? car has to weigh about 2600 lbs for 475 rwhp. i don't know where you're getting your numbers from, but in tx that's a 11 sec car. 345 rwhp is an 12 low 13. post some vids of it running low 10's. 30k should be running 9's on motor maybe lower and 8's on the spray. just my opinion, but i do like the car. maybe dyno numbers wrong. should be around 550hp

[THRstang]

@tremail12

2 Diff Cars, let me clarify. Check THRStang First off, this is another blk coupe that i have. It's a 347 with 345 rwhp runing 11's in street trim at 4200 ft elevation. (That's 10.80's at sea level!)

Secondly, the black coupe for $25k runs low 10's on motor, has 475 rwhp all motor, and about $30k in parts alone. Do the math, a low 10 sec car for $25k turn key with it's build components is a diamond in the rough. For more info check our other vids for the twin to this one.

[tremail12]

@THRstang dude 475 rwhp does not get you low 10's unless the car is about 2500 lbs with the driver. when you send the video of a low 10 then i'll believe you. until then you're a liar. you got supercharged mustangs with 360 hp running mid 12's. so how are running 11's with 345 n/a. show some videos.

[THRstang]

@tremail12

OK, Do a little homework and check out the NMRA Pure Street Class. 310 cubic inch limit, 10:1 comp limit, .500 lift cam limit, factory body & supension restrictions, and must weigh 3200. They make 400+ HP all motor (N/A) and run low 10's with hyd roller combo's. We have a hi compression 347 stroker with a solid roller that rev's 8k rpm. I shouldn't have to explain how suspension and average HP/TQ across the RPM band make these combo's run the numbers. Learn the basics dude...

[tremail12]

@THRstang i know the basics. i got a buddy that has a 331 high comp motor 11:5, best heads, solid roller, 620 lift cam, 8k rpm with 540hp running mid 10's in a 2800 lb car. he has all the suspension work. it will hook in water. where are you getting your numbers? the trans also plays a factor also. so does gearing.

[THRstang]

@tremail12

Finally, someone who understands that not every motor and HP number runs the same. There are a ton of other factors other than the parts and weight of the car. We're running a much larger and better AVG HP/TQ Custom Grind Cam, so it's not just the peak numbers, but the avg power across the band that makes this little coupe run. We also have a 4.56 gear and a custom FacePlated TKO trans with alternate gearing to make this run lo 10's N/A. Sounds like you're buddies car is sick too!

[tremail12]

@THRstang ok now we're talking 10's. i got you now. just had to explain it to me a little bit better with what you had. the car is sick anyway and the price is about right. buddy sold the 331 for 28k. so good luck on the sale.

[NissanTy]

awesome race, im wanting a fox stang, who needs a big block chevy when you can have a small block ford to whip ass.

[94svtcobra37]

There has to be some comments sometime like "but how much money is in that mustang"? "you have to rev it so hight" "it doesn't have "torque"" "you can build a chevy faster for less money" and other ramblings

[BellCustoms2009]

god i love stangs and this vid shows why i hope i get some money someday to let thr build me one of these ls slow killer cars

[THRstang]

n20ls1, the new 347's in and it's ready for your all motor GM any day of the week. It's also a full interior street car with all necessary NHRA spec'd equip for what she runs. The budget 347 in this vid was just built to shut up all the shit talkers until we finished the real motor.

[untoldguitarist]

N20ls1 is a retard I can put a built 351W or C against his precious LS1 and he would get spanked so bad he wouldn't even want to race and both motor would have the same mods done to them. There is a reason why Jon Kaase wins Engine Masters Challenge every time he enters in the competition with a 400M Cleveland using CHI heads and Intake with a Holly Carb and using a Flat Tappet cam due to the rules of the competition.You noticed he didn't compare his 350 against a 351 W or C bc it would be owned

[n20ls1]

Yeah with a pair of $4000 CHI heads..........lol

[untoldguitarist]

Yeah and he builds his own heads too designed after CHI heads. So please tell me why any GM engine builders cannot beat him? It is because it is simple Ford has a better designed V8 over a GM V8 they always have always will. Like for instance a GM Stroker 383Ci= 500HP and a Ford 347CI=550HP so if you ask me that is sad on GM's design when a Ford 302 Stroker can get more power then a GM 350 Stroker. That's why guys like you never want to compare a 350 GM against a 351 W or C bc you will get owned

[n20ls1]

You are reading too many magazines. Victor LSR heads outflow all of your SBF aftermarket heads 450+ CFM. Also, SBC SB2.2 heads flow over 400+CFM and are cheaper than CHIs.

[untoldguitarist]

Who cares and you noticed who owned in this video right? a Small 302ci Stroked out compared to a 396-454Ci BB that is probably even stroked out. And tell me this how come every GM motor in Nascar has to get replaced after every race and Ford and Chrysler can go 3 races before replacing the motor in their race cars? It is because they have quality over quantity. And FYI CHI heads has a 3500LB Fairmont 4 dr sedan running 9.7's with a 429Ci with their heads and intake with a Holly carb.

[n20ls1]

That's B.S

[untoldguitarist]

Also if you go to Jon Kaase's website just see some of the records his motors have set. And honestly who cares how much the heads are that he uses in the competition it is to see who the best of the best engine builder is and he my friend take the cake by far. You could just imagine how much more power he would get out of that 400M if it was a full roller motor. Also Dart Heads are around $3000 and his heads and CHI heads are far superior for any BBF and SBF heads all day.

[untoldguitarist]

I could even use their cast iron 3V 225cc heads and still see amazing results with their heads. With a full cast iron block unlike your all aluminum LS1 346Ci ;

[n20ls1]

We have 6-bolt, cross-bolted main cap iron blocks that come in our trucks and our stock heads like the LS3 and the L92 flow better than most aftermarket heads. Also, GM fuel injected cars are tune friendly and can run on the street with a huge cam.

[untoldguitarist]

I think it is so funny how all GM guys always under estimate Ford Motors all the time; Then when the GM powered car losses guy like you start bitching. And you know that is sad when a BB powered v8 car is getting owned by a tiny 302Ci Stroker 347 powered mustang. That is what's funny. So you need to do some research do you know who made the most potent BB V8 ever in history?Ford with the 427 Sohc cammer that had 616Hp with a 4 BBL Carb and 656HP with (2)4BBL's so even the 426Hemi will bow down

[n20ls1]

So what my N/A LS1 can beat that BBC in the vid and I can do in it with my stock bottom end (346ci), ported factory heads, a power robbing automatic and a heavy 3080lb car. Most big block cars will outrun my car, it doesn't matter if is a Mopar, Ford or Chevy. The one in the vid runs ok, but is not even close to its full potential. There's no replacement for displacement!!!!!

[untoldguitarist]

I am just saying do some research and the only slightest advantage your car has is an all aluminum V8 but once you over heat it one time you're fucked. I can run a full cast iron 351W and get easily 500- 550Hp if built right with around 12:1 Compression and 700HP with a 408 Stroker. There's no replacement for displacement!!!!! lol yeah until you get owned by a small block v8 stroked out; Also once I get done building my 351W it will own BB v8's all day.

[n20ls1]

I have an iron LSX based long block laying in my backyard that I picked up for $500 at a local junkyard. Also, I never had overheating problems or known anybody with an LS1 that had. I'll be waiting anxiously for the outcome of your 408 stroker.................don't keep me waiting 10 years..........LOL

[untoldguitarist]

It will not be 10 yrs but it will take some time because I am in college right now and I got to worry about that as my main priority right now. But once it is done it will easily have 600+ with no problem and between 750-790Hp with aluminum heads and intake.

[dlthomas28]

N2OLS1 that's slow for an LSX turbo. Should have dart 302ed and ran for the 6's.

[n20ls1]

How's talking turbos here. I'M ALL MOTOR

[crakpotjoe]

Other than my 1st statement agreeing w/ Fido139 I'm curious as to why is it everytime a video is put up with a mustang beating some kind of GM there's always someone (GM rep) to come in puffing out their chest trying to patch up their injured ego by taking shit. Opinions are like assholes I've heard but just b/c everyone has one doesn't mean we all have to bare witness to it, enough with the childish antics of my toy's better than yours and move on.

[hydeph]

I agree.

[n20ls1]

Its kinda funny that the 2 fastest Mustangs here in Miami are Chevy powered, one is a BBC 496ci and the other one is turbocharged 402ci LSX (both running 8's)

[RangerMH]

The fastest mustang in Arlington, Texas has a 302 (yes, a 302.) and it runs procharged, 3.9 on a 1/8th.

[osp80]

he has like the fastest supercharged 302 in the world then

[nathan6675]

Wow! Hey n20ls1, Racin Jason ran a 7.79 @ 189 with just a little TT 306 stroker, and that was back in 95, so what's the big deal about 8's 14 years later and 100-200 more cubes too? That's some great accomplishment there, I wouldn't be bragging to everyone about that, kinda embarrasing if you ask me.

[fido139]

The thing is, the GM products run almost 70 cubic inches more then the 281 Ford, yet you GM people think you did a proud thing beating out one of them. Nobody ever seems to mention the huge cubes difference. GM = egomaniacs. That's a pretty good laugh. As a final note, there are quite a bunch of Stangs out there eating up Cameros and Corvettes alike, get used to it.

[n20ls1]

Not mine though

[boobalo]

Overhead cam against pushrod.... of course you need more displacement for pushrod.

[crakpotjoe]

well put

[osp80]

it's not GM's fault ford put the wrong sized bore in in mod motors,also with heads that don't flow.the 4v heads actually flow pretty good,too bad they're like a foot wide each and a set of cams cost $1000...

[flcracker9]

It's also not Ford's fault that GM has stuck with the "bigger is better / outdated pushrod technology" philosophy. It's no wonder they're at the table again, begging me for more money. I say "shit or get off the pot". The Government is crazy to loan them more, when GM has shown they have no real plan to recover?

[osp80]

those outdated pushrod engines,are lighter,easier to make,cheaper to make,make more power,and get better gas mileage.....not to mention easier and cheaper to mod.what was ford's plan with the mod motor exactly? the exact opposite of all that i listed?

GM's management situation is unrelated to their drivetrains

[flcracker9]

GM's financial problems are directly related to lack of sales. One of the reasons their product isn't selling is because of the reason I mentioned, "they are stuck in the stone age". In these days with the perception that we are facing an energy crisis, it's apparent that people want smaller cubic inch fuel efficient powerplants, that respond well to bolt on's, vs large cubic inch inefficient pushrod motors that need the additional cubic inches to draw similar power.,

[osp80]

the ls engines get better mileage than the mod motors do and they're lighter with helps with mileage too.the ls engine is superior to the mod motor in every measurable category.

the ferrari 430 has a 490hp 4.3 v8 and get 11/16mpg

the physically smaller,lighter,easier and cheaper to make,mod,and service 505hp 7.0 v8 in the z06 gets 15/24.even the supercharged 638hp 6.2 in the heavier zr1 gets 14/20.the lower power,smaller engined ford GT got 12/19.

who seems to be getting better results here?

[blitz811]

Documentation continues to mount - chevy = FORD's BITCH

[n20ls1]

Let me guess, you have a FORD????

[tt35166coupe]

atleast post a vid of your car before talking shit

[n20ls1]

Where are your vids at????? You don't have any.

[tt35166coupe]

im also not talking shit on chevy vids either am i post a vid or shut up

[n20ls1]

Thats cool with me.

[n20ls1]

I want to see a Mustang beat my slow LS1 on motor alone. 10.02@132 346ci w/stock LS1 heads/bottom end, and there are people running better times with a higher trap speed than me.

[bigblockmustang]

My Mustang is N/A 10.2 @ 134..

Les

[n20ls1]

That's a good time, but your car is a bigblock + I'm not even close to the fastest N/A LSX record time and MPH.

[n20ls1]

wanna race an LS1, Mustang boy?????

[THRstang]

Think you can hang on motor or do I need to put a little squeeze on?

[cafeevil]

Bro we all know that there isint a LS1 made that can smoke a 347 in a fox body without serious mods or a huge toke of the N20. I find it funny that when a ford engine equals the CI's they are Chevy eating animals. Sure there are fast chevy's too no hating but you narrow minded chevy guys only see half the picture.

[grindking10000]

i dont think your LS1 could hang with any THR built mustang. Sorry to ruin your false idolization of the overexaggerated LS1 there kiddo.

[chevacamaro68]

The guy in the Camaro must have taken a nap...?

[THRstang]

I guess I should have supplied the pillows huh...

[VanstromBrosRacing]

I love beating on BB Chevy's. Nice hole shot!!

[polochild8812]

heavy ass fuckin piece of shit chevy...

[gasshole82]

those heavy ass chevys were doing 8 seconds in the late 50s

[cafeevil]

Hey Gasshole she me a 8 second 1950's car with a chevy engine in it.