SNP electoral success snubbed by Blair and Brown

[5COT5MAN]

when will the nationalists see that the majority don't want independence. Devolution is a great thing, I'm all for it and so are most people, but polls consistently show that only about 28% of Scots want independence whereas about 65% want the Union to remain in place. So much for 20 seats at Westminster, I forget but didn't you only score 6? And the silent majority in Glasgow East showed you their disgust by unseating your candidate.

[BillDFC]

I have to admire Gordon Brown,after all,being £173 billion in debt is quite an achievement!......wonderful! Let's invade some more countries!

English Imperialism is alive and well!

[britishfirstandlast]

@BillDFC Gordon Brown is Scottish, Blair is of Scottish descent and Scottish Born. Cameron is of Scottish desent too. The English public were against the war as much as the British public in general.

[ocean3da]

Scottish republic all the way.

[dazzanumber3]

They call them ''Labour folk''. When they should call them ''selfish traitors within.'' Typical bbc doublespeak.

Saor Alba

[juanOG213]

then why the fuck dont yall give ireland the northern piece, since most irish want it ?

so yall gonna give scotland independence even if the majority want it ? hell no, yall english always play dirty, the snp already won the election with an independence program, that means most scots want it, but yall wont give it, just like you dont give gibraltar back to spain for 300 years.

[juanOG213]

i think the victory of the snp is just the beginning, and like ireland, scotland has to be a recognized country in the EU, the irish got it but they had to fight for it, and you scots will have to do the same, cause the english always play dirty,

[adger42]

when are you going to understand WE ENGLISH WANT SCOTTISH INDEPENDANCE, it is not the english holding you back so jaun when taliking of dirty tricks please mention names ---oops nlair - brown westminster cabinet mostly scottish.

[atthesink]

the problem is that Scotland is a pround nation and when things like this and all the talk about how we cant go it alone is sayed to us we know our nation is greatand more and more we want to prove it

[CelticScottsMan]

The Scottish are a celtic people, the English are not. Why shouldent the scot's have their own country and identity. By the way there is alot of off shore oil rig's in Scottish waters. I think the scot's could butter their own bread, both side's.

[davieboy198607]

our time will come

[lewisUK9393]

why wont the snp realise we've given them their own goverment, please try & understand the united kingdon isn't united without scotland were stronger when were part of somthing better, the british people need to realise this

[tamslam76]

im been a labour man all my life its now time 4 total control of scotland

[inselaffe1967]

I agree mate. as an Englishman I am sick of the Barnet Formula which sends 35 BILLION quid North of the border every year to support a nation of pissed up druggies. No more free NHS, Education, Care for the elderly, Benefits and all the other things you get....PLEASE dont give me the drivel about North Sea oil and gas because that doesnt even belong to Scotland. Lets see how far whisky, shortbread, Buckfast and Braveheart DVD's get you.

[samothraki1]

Scotland would never vote for independence. They are too canny. They know which side there bread is buttered. Afraid it looks like we are stuck with them. 35 BILLION. MY GOD!!!

[K0oks0n]

the typical view of an ignorant English fanny were much better without england

[deadanimalfreakshow]

Wot a couple of Ignorant bastards

[scotchprofessor]

In general, 5COT5MAN, are you happy when you fill in a passport application and it asks for your "county" rather than "region"? Happy when the Westminster government talks to France and forms an Anglo-French agreement? Happy that when the weather forecast is presented, and they discuss "the North" while pointing to the centre of the map? Are you happy for English international football to be broadcast live in Scotland, while Scottish games are ignored?

[scotchprofessor]

You're paying for this. There is no union - merely an imbalance of a marriage.

[5COT5MAN]

AN imbalance of a marriage? You do know that the United Kingdom of Great Britain was formed when Scottish king James VI inherited the throne of England and become James I of the United Kingdom. Anglo-French agreements are called so because that is what they were called before the union ad the name has stuck. You are obviously watching the English section of the BBC news and not the Scottish section I see. I also see Scottish football on TV all the time

[scotchprofessor]

The political union was in no way formed by James VI. The Scots were prevented, under English law, from doing trade with the New World. Scotland, in a last desperate attempt to earn income internationally, set sail on the ill-fated Darian adventure. The land-owning aristocracy, who had lost money in the venture, were bribed and blackmailed by the English to vote for the union.

[scotchprofessor]

Crowds in Edinburgh burned copies of the treaty and rained stones at the parliament's windows. A group of men held Glasgow for a further month, before succumbing. This is how the "union" was formed.

As for the King: you do realise, of course, that once James VI ascended to the English throne, he visited Scotland only once more in his life. It seems he bore the same disregard for Scotland as you do.

[5COT5MAN]

The same disregard as I do? I love Scotland it is my favourite place in the entire world! I want the best for Scotland, my birthplace and I know the best thing is the union. Can you tell me what benefits a split in the union would bring except strife and discord. By the way, where do you get your facts from. The union was formed by James VI

[scotchprofessor]

It's referred to as an Anglo-French agreement because "that is what they were called before the union a[n]d the name has stuck." Anglo means English, nothing more. England made agreements before the union, they make agreements now. Nothing has changed.

Independence is coming, whereby Scotland can make agreements, too.

[scotchprofessor]

You may see Scottish football on tv all the time, but not on the BBC.

I was referring to the networked British tv. I've lived in London; I've seen how much Scottish interest is broadcast in England. Similarly, I live in Scotland, and I see how much English programming is broadcast in the country. In simple representation, that is what I call an imbalance of a marriage.

[5COT5MAN]

At this time Scotland itself is supported by English taxpayers if Scotland becomes independent the Scottish economy will collapse and all these little benefits we are enjoying in Scotland will vanish. The idea of our country, Scotland being independent is laughable. I am proud to be a Scotsman, but prouder to be British.

[scotchprofessor]

Are we completely discounting the oil money? Inflation adjusted, we're talking about some 240 billion pounds having been paid into Westminster in the last forty years. Scotland, therefore, has returned far more than its fair share to the Exchequer. Scottish oil is funding Britain.

Exactly what benefits are we enjoying? The union is failing us at almost every turn.

[scotchprofessor]

I fail to comprehend exactly what should make it acceptable for Norway, Slovenia, Ireland or France to be independent, but not Scotland? Exactly what are we lacking? Exactly why should self-determination be so laughable?

[5COT5MAN]

The benefits your enjoying are many. The prescription charge for example gets lower and lower in Scotland, whilst other British taxpayers pay for them. Toll charges on bridges are also gone. These are just a few examples of the benefits you enjoy. Another thing is the fact that all North Sea oil is gone, our dependence on foreign oil rises. As for the fairness of Norway, Slovenia and Ireland being free; They either have much larger populations or more natural resources than Scotland.

[scotchprofessor]

Norway, Slovenia and Ireland all have smaller populations than Scotland. Ireland and Slovenia are not rich in resources; Norway is rich in the very same resource Scotland is.

The prescription charge gets has been reduced, yet we still have a lower life expectancy than any other constituent part of the UK. Scotland has a lower life expectancy than the people of the Gaza Strip. The union is failing us.

[scotchprofessor]

When the football World Cup Qualifiers start in earnest for 2010, who will you be watching on the BBC? The Corporation refused to bid for Scotland games, so you'll be sitting at home watching England games beamed live into Scotland courtesy of the BBC.

1% of Scottish news makes it to the British network. The Celtic countries are represented by under 1% of BBC and ITV primetime programming. There is no union if there is such an imbalance in representation.

[scotchprofessor]

The BBC World Service broadcasts English Premier League games for hours every weekend; Scotland doesn't get a look in.

Worldwide, the British Council stocks English-edition newspapers, refusing to stock newspapers from the "regions" (meaning, of course, that Scotland is a region, England not. England is Britain).

[scotchprofessor]

When was the last time the British Labour Party, Conservatives, or Liberal Democrats had a party conference in Scotland? (And I don't mean the Scottish branches, I mean the real parties, with the Westminster leaders). Brighton, Blackpool, Manchester... but never north of the border. These parties have no interest in Scotland - they're making that clear. Can you tell me exactly what the union is?

[5COT5MAN]

Surely if the English politicians have a party conference in scotland that will undermine your devolved government and you would complain about that as well. There is a BBC Scotland, there is a BBC ireland and there's a BBC Wales as well. You are perfectly well represented by the British Broadcasting Corporation. Maybe you could survive on your own but without the Union you'd be a third rate country at best.

[scotchprofessor]

I don't see why it would naturally undermine the Scottish parliament; but my question was why, in the history of the union, and in the history of political party conferences, not one party has ever bothered to come north of the border. to show interest in the Scottish people.

[scotchprofessor]

Under 1% of representation British-wide, and you say the Celtic countries are "perfectly well represented" on tv... I'm sorry, but I'm asking for more. I'm asking for parity with our share of the British population, parity with our percentage of the paid licence fee. Why should that be unfair?

[RoyWoodsWig]

I used to be a labour voter but this sickens me talk about sour grapes! So if scotland becomes Independent then would brown snub the leader of a neighbouring country?

[ELONut]

Brown is the original TUBE

[dobs1234]

This you tube is great - doesnt even post ur thoughts.

The Scottish National Party has snatched what was once a Labour safe seat in the crucial Glasgow East by-election.

Ave it

[KNOWYOUNOW]

Well done snp now scotland will lose it pm of the uk to be replaed by an englishman well done english nazi wankers have won again. i give up being scottish it is a bull shit nationality that gets rid of itls own leaders.

[MercuryAndy]

National

Socialist

German

Workers

Party

Hitler claimed to be both you stupid bastards.

[thuddas]

Ever had a look at the state England is in? With an archaic 'first past the post' electoral system. A burgeoning population with a failing health service, soaring crime rates and STILL no enquiry into the london bombings despite simply massive questions about this incedent. Westminster is sending british men to fight american wars based on lies, look up 9/11 on youtube. And you wonder why we want fuck all to do with your collapsing constitutional monarchy. Get real. Get educated.

[klickpick]

I'm sorry, but it's such a childish argument.

We heard for years about how Scotland was too small to be independent, then much of Europe broke into smaller chunks. We were told we might not be granted EU membership, but then the likes of Hungary, Slovakia, Malta were permitted to join.

The above post smacks of extreme desperation. Independence is coming, the sooner the better.

[MercuryAndy]

Hitler claimed to be fucking everything you stupid bastard.

National

Socialist

German

Workers

Party

[ELONut]

you are the stupid bastard stop posting for fuck sake!

[roco444]

Dobs keep postin ur annoyin this big gimp! He is an idiot!

[klickpick]

A general recognition and congratulations should be extended to the winner as a courtesy, regardless of his or her political make-up. The fact that this wasn't done immediately by the London Labour Party stands as a snub to the Scottish electorate. Labour is running scared, and running away.

[Westcott11]

Labour are definately done for because they rely on Scotland to win the General Elections.

[mrfoxywhiskers]

New Zealand is a similar size to the UK and is made up of 2 Islands imagine how stupid it would be if all of a sudden they became 4 or 5 independent countries with one island being split into 3 and the other into 2. Sounds pretty stupid doesnt it.....well thats what all these nationalists are proposing here!!!

[saintee1000]

N.Z has a population less than that of Scotlands even with the 2 Islands together. Scotland has more history as a Nation than Italy/Germany. I assume you propose a unified Ireland, giving Gibraltar back to Spain etc?

[jasyman]

ive only ever voted labour at least untill the election in may when i voted SNP. Im not for independence but neither am i totaly against. I want us to be givin facts inependent from all political parties who would just be biased. I want to hear my options, comments like the one from clanDOUGLAS and Labour, lib dems, SNP, cons etc dont help! Let the scottish ppl decide not polititions, im fed up with them!!

[ClanD0UGLAS]

The wee little fucker should be snubed,He got rid of Blair,job done.Why do we want freedom from the UK,when will have to be forced to join Europe,to cover our £10 Billion defasict,for housing,health care,etc etc.Get governed from Brussels instead of London?And they call that Freedomn?Bollocks it is.

[saintee1000]

10 billion? Please quote me which report you got that from?

[amicusalba]

If true, it was wrong of Brown not to acknowledge a meglomaniac like Salmon winning the elction. But am always amazed as the intelligent response given by so called supporters of the SNP like on this site like outlawdon101. Must have a PhD in Chav.Keep truckin mate your country needs you!

[TopherT1979]

It was wrong for Blair and Brown to snub the first minister of Scotland. It seemed like they were super happy for Scotland to have a first minister as long as it's a member from their own party who got the gig. It was stupid and it just sums up the contempt that they have for not just Salmond, but the entire population of Scotland.

amicusalba, this is the second time that I've seen you post an Anti SNP blurb. You're being as gracious with regards to the SNP winning as Brown.

Peace.

[nightrain12365]

Independence may or may not work in scotland, its worked in other places

lets see what happens in the next four years

[MALISSAxCx]

I love SNP=]

[RabbiBuckyGoldberg]

Jerk McConman was a total fuckin joke.

He was just a puppet whose strings were pulled by st tony.

[Nerdfest1989]

"beatityatube (1 day ago) Marked as spam

The Reality is that if the 140,000 votes had been counted, the SNP would not even have that extra seat. This is the biggest political cock-up that has ever happened in Scottish politics . "

Good point! It's hardly a landslide victory.

[beatityatube]

The SNP are bunch of whinging greetin' faced wankers. Did ineffectual Salmond expect Blair to also wipe his arse for him? Why should Blair have congratulated that prick? Grow up you sad political rejects. Scotland said NO and voted otherwise yet again - yet we are now being dictated to by a minority government. That's anything but democratic. Salmond is a demagogue.

[OUTLAWDON101]

shut up beatityatube you fucking ride he wants to see a free scotland which he knows can do better independant your a wee prick wanting to hing fae englands arse a country that also wants independance ill scalp you only wank is you

[beatityatube]

Kiss ma arse, ya wee ned. You are a typical SNP wankstain on the kilt that is Scottish politics. Salmond is an utter cunt, having Stefan Tymkewycz the son of a Nazi war criminal who happens to be a multi-millionaire in the Scottish cabinet is a sick fucking joke, and McKasshole is just a soccer thug. The rest are not worth talking about. Fucking embarrassment. No matter, you'll soon be turfed out of there and good fucking riddance.

[OUTLAWDON101]

im not a ned you tool im twenty four year old with two jobs how can i be a ned you tittie boy go get fucked you wee turd

[beatityatube]

Aye, yer a stupid fucking wee Ned if you follow them wankers. Your 24, lol, oh aye you know it all son. Yer a prick, come back when you've grown up a bit.

BTW, no reply on the Nazi's son then? You think that's OK that the SNP turned a blind eye to his wealthy war criminal father who got his money doing oh who can guess. I wouldn't imagine it was doing anything good.

Needless to say that the SNP has recently seen a lurch to the fascist right.

[jmorrison230582]

Is the Pope a Nazi?

[euan14]

Personally I thank God that the SNP won the election. We can all now look forward to our future!

[jollycraic]

Salmond is scum imo

[Nerdfest1989]

Yes votes weren't counted because they weren't filled in right. This doesn't necesarily mean that the SNP would have more seats. The SNP got one seat more, if no votes had been discounted the party with 1 less seat than the snp might have got one or more seats more seats than the snp. or the snp might have lost seats.

[beatityatube]

The Reality is that if the 140,000 votes had been counted, the SNP would not even have that extra seat. This is the biggest political cock-up that has ever happened in Scottish politics and left our nation in the hands of a bunch of SNP wankers.

[Prd777]

If they haven't been counted, how exactly can you possibly "know" that? Oh wait, you don't.

[beatityatube]

Yes we do actually, considering that the places where much of the spoilt papers came from where places where the population had a high incidence of the elderly. They OAP's are the least likely bunch to vote for that wanker and upstart Alex Salmond.

[KingNordy]

brown and blair are both scotish anyways.... fucking faggots we needed english prime ministers.

[MM47]

People who call themselves British are all in the same boat, so you can stop calling Blair and Brown Scottish, if you consider yourself British as well because we want nothing to do with them.

[greenwands]

a comment for Nerdfest1989, Scotland has a parliament not an assembly.

[greenwands]

yet again a few anti-scottish comments here Expecially from my friends north of the border.expecially people like Nerdfest1989. Regarding his or her comment saying "England, Wales, Scotland and N ireland are not countries the, UK is" First of all we are our own countries within the U.K. A country is the land occupied by a people under one jurisdiction; a nation is the people of a land under one government. Scotland does have internationally recognized boundaries.

[MM47]

Scotland is a country, it has its own football/rugby team, its own parliament, law, education system, etc. The UK is not a country, more like a pretend country.

An End To The UK State!

Saor Alba!

[greenwands]

snp will do a great job for Scotland.

[Nerdfest1989]

snubbed not subbed...sorry

Oh and i think we should abolish the devolved assemblies, share their powers between westminster and the local councils and then do the same 4 this english councils. then we need to make the law uniform throught the COUNTRY. England, Wales, Scotland and N ireland are not countries the UK is. I'm from England but I'm british!

[Nerdfest1989]

The reason the 'victory' was subed because they only got 1 more seat than any1 else! 1 seat is not a mandate 2 rule! Anyway the snp leader is a fascist pig

[MM47]

You forget that many of the votes were rejected, that could have made a big difference. Secondly Alex Salmond is not fascist, the only thing he has in common with people like Hitler is he promised the people everything they wanted.

Secondly about the fascist comment, the only "Police State" influence Scotland is under is known as the UK, and that has being going on for 300 years!

[beatityatube]

All Nationalism is a dilute form of Fascism! If you read between the lines of what the little Natz are posting on the newspaper message boards you are reading RACISM, EXTREMISM and FASCISM.

[MM47]

The SNP are Nationalist, and Nationalist does not necesserally mean FASCIST! NATIONAL SOCIALIST IS FASCIST! BNP ARE FASCIST!

[dehny87]

the nationalism of the SNP is civic nationalism, blood thus race does not come into it. How else would the SNP have the most ethnic minority MSP's in the parliament?

[beatityatube]

So how do you explain the wanted Nazi War Criminal's son who in the SNP Administration? Are you sure they aint Nazi's? Nationalism and Socialism, erm when was the last time we heard those two words together... National Socialism.... Natzi's. Blood and Race don't come into it? So why are they so anti-English, but disguise their comments as anti-Westminster. Don't be fooled by these people.

[ToulacAxeHand]

The Pope is son of a Nazi.

Most Germans are.

Are you implying that everyone in germany is a Nazi because of their grandparents?

Please, take an IQ test!

[Prd777]

Only ignorants see all nationalism as Fascism or Racism. Civic Nationalism is the direct opposite of it. Idiot.

[beatityatube]

You are fucking too stupid to be ignorant. The SNP is harbouring a War Criminal and his son is tipped for a future SNP leader. Go fuck yourself.

[snafu1989]

If they are fascits then how do you explain their centre left views?

[beatityatube]

This is obviously beyond your ken though, since you are a thick as shit Nationalist. No matter, your crummy party will gets its arse severely kicked next time around. No suprise then that your party has amongst its ranks the son of a Nazi war criminal, and the SNP seem reluctant to bring his Nazi father to trial!

[snafu1989]

Oh dear! You better get off YouTube beatityatube as you are depriving your village of its idiot. Also your mystical powers of mind reading seem to be a tad off. For one I'm not a 'nationalist'. Secondly, a lot of Germans parents/grandparents could have been Nazi supporters. That does not make them Nazis. Its HMG's job to check out potential Nazis. Not the SNP's. Thirdly at the end of WW2 the Western allies let a lot of Nazis off the hook.

I suggest you get some home schooling.

[snafu1989]

How can they be fascist when they have centre left views?

[beatityatube]

Even Hitler claimed to be a Socialist. The SNP are FASCISTS, supported by FASCISTS who are afraid to voice their RACISM against the English OR admit to their Republicanism. They are however RACIST and subsitute the words London and Londoner for England and English, as if that was less divisive. Republicanism is rife in that party eg. that asshole Cunningham. Then there's that Marxist asshole McAsskill. The SNP are liars who hide their own political views from the voting public. Up yer arse!

[snafu1989]

Many socialist countries had 'democratic' in their name but that doesn't make them so! Same goes for Hitler's NSDAP. The SNP have CENTRE LEFT policies. This means they are not fascist. Nor are they socialist (emphasis on CENTRE which = mainstream as they want the majority vote). Socialists generally don't support nationalism. Saying a party is fascist just because 'National' is in their name is just rubbish. That's like saying England and Britain are one in the same when they are clearly not.

[snafu1989]

Also in your reply to that pathetic comment you left on my page. Which was basically translated as 'wah! I didnt win teh arguments!' I do not go on any tabloid website or forum or whatever. I barely even read a newspaper let alone a tabloid. I have better things to do than line Murdoch's pockets. I just try and form my own opinions without the media 'babysitting' me. Oh and slagging people off in your arguments doesn't do you any favours either.

[Petermit2]

I must say I've not heard any positive policies from Salmond and -- only the usual anti-Labour rhetoric. So can you blame them for hating each other ? And did Alex phone Gordon to congratulate him on his leadership victory ?

That said, it is a bit off, and I still have no respect for a smarmy and arrogant Brown. But that's politics these days. All politicians seem to have taken up the traditional Tory trait.

[alacas69]

Leadership victory, he was gifted the job!

[vespaUK125]

I am an Englishman and I would support Scottish Independence as long as you agree to take Gordon Brown and Tony Blair back, never to return to England ever again.

[jasyman]

dont think for one second that tony and gordon are the only two bad ppl here there is loads ready to take there place and they come from all over the counrty, not just scotland!

[bcnsco]

we dont want them either - neither of them are Scots in my book.

[kenni998]

In the Brown world, if your no fur im, your agin him, with a vengance. Btw, has anyone noticed his hands when he is making a speech. And the way his chin waggles about. A deeply dysfunctional person. I wonder what a behavioural analyst would make of him.on another point, does anyone know what our numero uno numptie was like when he was teaching maths.

[spinozacelt]

Gordon Brown-pathetic cnut!

[bcnsco]

I hope this shows the people of Scotland the contempt Brown has for our country. He is a disgrace to Scotland.

[nach0king]

We've gone from a campaign of fear to a reality of loathing. I wonder how low Labour might yet stoop?

[confuzathor]

Truly hilarious numptitude from Brown.

These labour folk are *still* writhing around in denial.

McCabe: "Tony disnae want tae talk tae Eck cos he disnae like him"

[GreenockMorton]

I only hope Brown's arrogance and comtempt for the people of Scotland will come back to haunt him when he's desparate for Scottish votes to keep him in power in the next British general election.

[pipoo1]

You only need to see the faces of Labour MSPs on Parliament coverage to see that Labour are in the mother of all sulks.

Its obvious that Labour assumed that Devolution was thier ticket to permanent Government. How dare we Scots voters disagree.

[BanjoBoog]

I'm learning all kinds of new stuff. Apparently "numpty" also means "big dickhead". What a jerk!

[robbo188]

Great clip, a personal snub to the SNP, not to mention the voters of Scotland also. It's all very well to congratulate your own side Gordo, but have the good grace to at least recognise the need to work with the new Scottish government otherwise your idea of a United Kingdom is a bit of a joke.

[gillespie72]

What an ignorant arrogant creep!

[Celynalba]

Graceless oaf! Aye well, it doesn't make him look good at all. Sulky sulky Gordon. Haha. Oh and Blair too.

(Didn't see the television, so I'm glad it has turned up here - thanks for posting it)

[alansmart7]

Brown really is an authoritarian toad. May his reign be short - I will just love listening to him the day after he loses the UK general election as well.

And Lord Gould - what a clown!

Thanks for posting the clip.

[megzah]

Got to love margo, by far the most satisfying option, slap the pair of them lol, shake hands with gadaffi no probs, talk to that nasty democratically elected scottish leader and their faces look like it would curdle milk!

[krayzeeryan]

lol, i'm not one for Scottish independance, but you do have a point XD