Islam a short history by Karen Armstrong part 03

[llcasanova]

Time to move on from Archaic organized religion. The big 3 no longer meet the need of this era, as such let's try something new. REFORM, after all that's was Mohammed was but he used the platform of God to convey HIS idea, it worked. Not with-out it's share of mistakes and pain but nonetheless UNIFIED the Arabs. I moved on from insulting and nit picking at organized religions, you should try it someday, it's refreshing!

[jhall38]

@llcasanova I'm glad you're refreshed. A douche would do as much. Mohammed was a liar. He taught his followers should lie to wives, enemies and friends. He named his own god "The DECEIVER", as if that wasn't enough! His religion is the scourge of the earth. His followers are a BLIGHT, spreading violence everywhere. Jesus was the light of the world. He spread love and refused to fight his enemies. He taught the truth and said that SATAN was "the deceiver". Pick your side.

[jhall38]

@llcasanova I will try to live my life to bring honor to Jesus, the compassionate healer. This means I must reject Mohammed and his lies. I must reject his warrior ways. I must reject his lies. I must expose people like Karen Armstrong who make the devil look compassionate. She is no truth teller. She lies like Mohammed. Compassion, she says! There is no compassion in Islam! Peace you say! There is no peace in Islam. This is an ideological battle. I will oppose Karen & Moh.

[papasitoman]

@jhall38 You are a moron. She writes about all religions and has written several books on the origin of religion/gods. She knows a hell of a lot more than you do about your own religion. Oh and she was a nun.

[jhall38]

@papasitoman A nun that lies is just a liar. Prophets that lie (like Mohammed) are just liars. Even rings that say "Mohammed, Messenger of Allah" won't qualify liars as prophets. Even "seals of prophets", like ugly MOLES on necks of liars don't make them other than the liars they are. Ms. Armstrong may sit by, idly watching Mohammed behead 900 boys and men, remarking blithely that they were acts of compassion, ways to bring the world community together. She is a BOLD LIAR.

[jhall38]

@papasitoman Let Ms. Armstrong critique Adolf Hitler. No doubt she'll sit by and observe his extermination of over 20 millions people in World War II and see it as "an act of compassion", drawing the world together into a compassionate conversation. The idiot wouldn't recognize compassion if it bit her on the butt. I think she is after the almighty dinar, filling her filthy pockets with Muslim gold, no doubt. She is a liar sent from hell just like Mohammed.

[papasitoman]

@jhall38 Yep, you're a moron.

[jhall38]

@papasitoman So you must think Mohammed lived a life of peace and compassion. I suppose that's your version and you're sticking to it, eh?

[idrissbenarafa]

@jhall38 you said by yourself he is a prophet!!! Go read the quran and contectualize the verses and I am pretty sure so with a pinch of salt objectivity, you'll turn a Muslim (Peaceful) that's what it means bro !!

[jhall38]

@idrissbenarafa Have you ever heard of such things as "FALSE prophets". Yes, you're right, he was a prophet, a prophet of the devil, that ALLAH character, the partner of 364 other demon "want-a-be god" filth. Allah was NOTHING but one of Mohammed's family's 365 IDOL gods, the favorite one. Mohammed gave him a promotion, from demon to god. No lie the prophet of lies ever told to wives, enemies and friends will ever turn a demon into the One God. Once a demon, always a demon.

[jhall38]

@idrissbenarafa I honor Jesus, the Prince of Peace, not that filthy pig, Mohammed.

[idrissbenarafa]

@jhall38 First of All,

I am not here to fight with you!! I would just like to tell you that islam respect all other religions, especially christianity and judaisme (go read the Quran and you'll find so)

you are insulting my religion and my prophet while I do respect yours and all other religion and all other prophets ( and btw I love Jesus the prince of peace as you said )

I am wondering here who is the civilized between us.

If you want to know to discuss in civilized way welcome .....

[jhall38]

@papasitoman Let Karen go make her residence in the seat of Satan's religion, Saudi Arabia. She can don the veil behind which she can avert her gaze as Mohammed slaughters more innocents through his ignorant followers, repeating that boring, "Allahu akhbar" as they slice of more heads. All this is compassion to Ms. Liar Armstrong. Let's hear her say it, "Allahu akhbar". She has an agenda. It is not the truth. She could care less for truth. There is too much money in lies.

[jhall38]

Are you talking about Islam's "pure ideals" about killing anyone who opposes Islam, so as to keep it pure? You think Islam is a "hard thing" morally? It was SO hard for Moh to kill the poets of his day. They should have just surrendered, but no, he had to catch them along the Meccan highway as he was ROBBING caravans! Oh, what a hard life Moh had. What do you mean "Muslims were fighting for their lives". Meccans were just protecting their caravans & poets were just speaking against Moh!

[jhall38]

"Designer wives" Nice concept, Karen. A community founded "not on blood", eh? So his conquest of Medina was bloodless? Where are its originally Jewish inhabitants, Karen? What about his slave trade, Karen? What about his personal beheadings (at least 900 at one time) and the poet murders? So you have an axe to grind with Christianity? What better way than to equate it with Islam. You've STUDIED religions? Or have you just used your "compassion template" to reinterpret them all.Disgusting

[llcasanova]

@jhall38 Pathetic way to try to discredit Karen. She is not selling Islam, she's is merely trying to give you a different perspective. Karen does not need to embarrass Christianity, it did the damage to itself all on it's own. Example: Heaven Gate, Jim Jones, Indian residential schools, child molestation...I can keep going but you get the idea. What you call disgusting is a COLLABORATIVE effort to unify all the people of Earth through the movement of Compassion. Peace!

[jhall38]

@llcasanova OK, Casanova, sounds like you've got the hots for the liar Ms. Armstrong. She wants to impose her little "let's all see Islam as compassionate" template on the religion from hell and you like that. Collaboration with Islamo-Nazis by people who see them as "compassionate", tortured artists who really just want to 'unify all the people of Earth' through compassion is ABSURD. Let Ms. Karen Armstrong cease with the lies and dissimulation. Tell the whole truth, liar.

[jhall38]

Karen has to be a total liar. That or else she simply does not read. READ THE HADITH, idiot! Islam was and is the most violent, purulent religion known to man.

[l337pwnage]

I do understand why women love islam, they love to be submissive.  But joining delusional cults is not the healthiest outlet for that desire.

[shamshirghazali]

I wonder where she gets the information that conversion is not encourage in early part of the Islamic Empire? Why did Prophet Muhammad send letters to the Roman Emperor, Persion Kaiser, etc?

[initialdrift86]

@shamshirghazali Probably because it was too difficult for Arabs to communicate with other nations because of language barriers.

[herrrob14]

As a gay man I have yet to see an Islamic culture which is accepting of gays. So much for the love and peace of Islam. Can't we just love each other without organized religion? We need less dogma in the world....not more!

[mercede75]

To herrrob14 :

You are not acceptable even in Christianity and Judaism or Hinduism. Think if every man marries other man how will the new ones born and society moves on. Isn't is shameful one of the two men who are equal gives in to the other? Does the penetrated one has any self respect for himself?

Your issue is not related to any religion in particular. it is evil and against humanity.

[Skepdisc]

@mercede75

Until YOU wake up gay, there's no need to worry that "every man marries other man".  What SHOULD bother you is your assertion that the "penetrated one" in a relationship either lacks self-respect for "giving in" to you or is not an equivalent partner in the first place.

[Mumineen1]

@herrrob14 Gays are against the complete nature and order of things. Thats why TRU islam will will never accept you gays.

[0515524847]

@Mumineen1 being Gay is an illness & can be treated. Its not something that cant be cured. Yes its totally unnatural but everyone has to be given a 2nd chance. Every person deserves it & so! Gays should not to be treated as aliens but with love, care & more affection so that their illness may be cured.

[Mumineen1]

@0515524847 Yes your right may Allah forgive them and change them. But it doesn't change the fact that Islam doesn't accept them....

[0515524847]

@Mumineen1 Islam accepts them my friend. i have personally met not one but two individuals who were gay but they accepted Islam & through Islam their illness was cured. They found the peace they were looking for all & one of them got married back in 2009 & has a lill baby doll too. Is living a perfectly healthy & normal life.

[tvswnet]

@0515524847 Such "love, care & more affection" in an effort to change another to what you think they should be like is not genuine--best to just hate openly than to lie with fake love, in my opinion.

[0515524847]

You mean 2 say that a man fucking another man or a women having sex with another women is Natural?Are you mad?If some one want to kill himself just cus he doesn't want to live...I would rather not be Genuine & try to change his mind & try to stop him from committing suicide & discourage his idea about life being worthless. Cus its not natural to think about committing suicide.

PS: Another better word to replace Love, Care & Affection would be Compassion which v humans 2day are badly in need.

[0515524847]

@tvswnet Do you know whats gonna happen if every Man becomes a Gay today&every Women turns Lesbian ??? Humanity would fucking seize to exist !!! Thats not very likely to ever happen but if you think being Gay or lesbian is normal...You need serious Psychological counseling.Cus one might think that there is nothing abnormal about being Gay/Lesbian but we know thats not true. Its our duty as fellow Humans to help such people get rid of such mental/Psycological illness.Thats what makes us Human.

[tvswnet]

@0515524847 You've decided to just be aggressive with everyone here huh? I'm sure that will make people see things your way...*eye roll*

[0515524847]

@tvswnet THATS the problem with YOU TUBE...People are too quick to judge you & your mood.

~WINK WINK~

[f11R2]

about the phone call at 8:10

Karen don't memories the Quraan but if she did she could easly answear him because the guy was skipping in what he's reading and if any one search and read the whole page will understand that this verse was said by God on a special occasion which is the war against mecca but the reader from the phone call did a great job skipping and he changed the whole meaning exactly like what happened to the holy bible

but she found the correct answear... I think she is genius

[kipps2]

Very interesting; a sympathetic viewpoint Ive not heard before good interview.

One concern I have thou is that there are 60 muslim countries, but perhaps only one I could possibly imagine living in (Turkey & that is run in a largely secular way). Is it not possible to learn about a religion thru the societies that it creates? Or am I being unfair?

[mingalabaa]

Yes, you are being unfair kipps2 . Beacuse you have no clues what you are talking about. In another word, you got no clues that these 60 nation states didn't develop as representatives of Islam. In fact, they didn't even exist until the end of WWII as the colonists retreated from their colonies.

[malikumairzafar]

جزاك اللّٰہ خیر!