My father served on Vanguard around 1947, he said she was an unhappy ship, I knew that was probably because she never fired her guns in anger. From reading some of the comments about her being outclassed explains a bit more...
Shame you didn't have the pogniant photo of her as she was towed out of Portsmouth for the last time.
She slipped her tow and traversed 90 degree's and blocked Portsmouth harbour mouth. Her bow completely dwarfed every building in sight; it was like she was refusing to go to the breakers.
You are very correct. How ever, their where several major difference between the unbuilt Lion Class and the Vanguard Class. The biggest was internal damage protection. The Lion was KGV class with bigger naval rifles in a different turret layout. The lessons learned in the naval battles in the PTO caused many changes to her damage control design. After these changes where made, Vanguard looked an KGV modification, but in reality she was a different beast all together.
From what I have been able to learn. Vanguard was a modification Of the King George V Class. You can see Vanguard's layout for her DP Guns are like KGV Class. She looked good, but as a Battleship, she was already out classed by the Iowa Class. Of course, as we all know, they where all pushed to the way side by the Carrier. Very nicely done.
@pramboy09 Yes...the HMS Vanguard was out classed by the Iowa Class. Vanguard's 15" main guns had a much shorter range the the Iowa Class 16" main guns. Vanguard's guns also had lower killing power (14,000 Foot Pounds ) and lower throw weight. Vanguard was also slower then the Iowa class ships. I do have more information if you want it. Vanguard's guns where the same as in the Hood, QE, Revenge and Renown classes.
@mdtdragon Vanguard was designed and built in a screaming rush as a fast reinforcement for the Far Eastern area when the threat from Japan became clear .
She was basically the unbuilt Lion class , ( 9x16inch main battery , all else to be as you see )
but with the " Spare " twin 15inch mounts taken out of Glorious and Courageous , to save construction time ( it is the tremedously complicated machines that are the big gun turrets that take the time to make + finally install )
@mdtdragon Only in certain respects. Yes Iowa had bigger newer better guns and was faster but Vanguard was a better and more stable seaboat and a better gun platform. In excercises in the 1950's in the Atlantic Iowa's had problems shooting as the waves engulfed her front turrets as they ploughed forward while Vanguard had no such problem. Also Vanguards turrets were fully modernised increasing acurracy and range. Supercharges were developed [though never used] which increased range greatly.
none, Britain got rid of all her Battleships, even well decorated ones like Warspite. Only exceptions are Victory (a ship of the line) and Warrior (a 19th century ironclad Battleship)
You're forgetting the HMS Belfast, you know, that big WWII Cruiser sitting right underneath tower-bridge...on the Thames :) might not be a battleship, but it's a surviving museum now.
indeed calling it a Battleship is a bit generous (she wasn't even a Heavy Cruiser, only had 6" guns) but I'd sure like to see her someday before some pencil pusher orders her to be scrapped under 'restructuring' of some trust fund.
@GrandeurFrancaise. The same country I might add that helped liberate your country from the Nazi yoke and restore your national sovereignty. The same country that gave your troops a base to fight from after Germany invaded your country. so try and show a bit of respect eh?
tYOU MUST LIBERATE YOUR COUNTRY BY NAZISTS OF ROYAL FAMILY. THE UK ROYAL FAMILY IS GERMAN, THE UK NATIONAL HANATEM IS THE SAME OF PRUSSIA, THE GOD SAVE THE QUEEN.
SO PLEASE USE THE MIND BEFORE OPEN THE FRONT S..T HOLE
@GrandeurFrancaise The British royal family changed their last name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor in 1917. The reason? World War One broke out in 1914 and anit-German sentiment was at its height in 1917. In protest, King George V renounced all the German titles belonging to him and his family and adopted the name of his castle, Windsor. In other words it was before world war 2 and has nothing to do with the Nazi's.
@GrandeurFrancaise. And as for using my mind, I suggest you have yours examined, take a pill and have a lie down and maybe you'll feel better soon, because you seem to have a pathological hatred of Britain. I for one don't hate your country, maybe you could afford me the same respect eh?
@GrandeurFrancaise The English (not British) have used the tune well before it was adopted by Prussia/Germany. Considering the great German composers one wonders why they adopted a foreign anthem as their own. Beside Germany it has also been used by The Kingdom of Hawaii, Russia, Switzerland , Norway, Liechtenstein (currently) and is used as the state song for some US states. Being German and being Nazis are not one and the same thing. If they are why is France so close to Germany now.
She was out of date before she left the slips the day of the battleship had gone even before WW2 but only a few navy higher ups accepted it and it took the loss of too many matlots to prove it & the carrier had become the capitol ship
She was also the only British Battleship never to fire a shot in anger , instead usually used as a Royal Yacht. The Vanguard went to Faslane for breaking
Saw the Vanguard being launched. Watched it from the opposite bank of the Clyde to where John Brown's shipyard was situated and stood at the mouth of the river White Cart. My father worked on building it during WW2 years.
My God, what I'd give to have been on the bridge for just one salvo..... tension rising as the guns are loaded... turrets swing silently to track the target.... silly *ting ting*... the BLAM!
Japanese pre-Dreadnought battleship 'Mikasa' is preserved as a museum ship, launched in Britain in 1900, she fought in the Battle of the Yellow Sea and the Battle of Tsushima during the Russo-Japanese war
A shame she wasn't converted into a cruiser after WW2. I don't understand the logic behind scrapping all the BB's, when all that armor would make them worth two ships in a fire fight. Certainly the cost to build armored ships today is too high, so's more the loss. Did you notice that all the museum ships in the U.S. are rusting away in the water, instead of in dry docks like the Brits. Totally stupid.
conventional post war ships in the royal navy were notably poor, Vanguard would've made a fantastic platform for a double ended guided missile cruiser, a lot of money saved on designing new hulls. Shame we always put morons in charge of our navy and defence budget.
@HelmutVillam : Absolutely, all the BB's should have been at least considered for conversion to cruisers due to the fact that the cost of steel prohibits their construction today. Today's ships are out of the fight after one hit, when it took a dozen hits to sink even a destroyer in WW2. They scrapped the Alaska class cruisers also in '59 when they were still brand new. A total waste of resources that could out-perform anything made today in a firefight. Gross incompetence.
HMS Caroline, a light cruiser, is still in use as a training ship and is preserved in Belfast harbour in a dry dock. She is the last survivor of the Battle of Jutland :-)
They should have converted it to a missile cruiser. Terrible waste of resources because armored ships can keep fighting after taking several hits, which none of today's ships can do.
What a shame they didn't keep her as per the Americans with the Iowa class. What a great ship it would have been to have refitted with all the modern missile systems...a real symbolic piece of machinery.
@notsureyou, I wasnt aware of that no, its seems a backward step though if true as the QE's that were modernised in the 30's included supercharges for their guns, if as was proudly proclaimed by the RN in 46 that Vangaurd was the most advanced battleship ever to put to sea id imagine that improvement was incorperated, yes the USN itself admitted Vangaurd to be the better sea boat, however as was the case with the USN after the war it soon leapt ahead again making her obsolete.
@TheCharlie359 The old 15" guns on the part modernized ships those with only 20deg elevation were equipped with super charge but none were ever fired as far as I know.Vanguard had the recoil system upgraded to fire super charge so had both s/c and 30deg elevation but as the war was over none were ever fired,if Vanguard got to the Pacific it fires diving shell HE penetrating with S/C MV 805mps.An American Friedman claims V had the best firecontrol ever fitted to BB.Old teeth great bite.
the strongest battleships are: on first Yamato class, the Iowa class and the Nelson class on second place Bismarck class, Richelieu class, Vanguard class and The King George V the third place Gneisenau class and HMS Hood . But i think ALL battleships are the best and strongest ships on world
I wish that HMS Vanguard had ben preserved, I wish, even more, that HMS Warspite had become a museum ship. Such a waste to destroy a capital ship that served us so well in two world wars.
@canopus101 Yeah, I agree. Vanguard was a beautiful ship, and I have no doubt that she deserved preservation. But if only one RN battleship had been preserved, it should have been the Warspite, I don't know of any other ship with so much soul
@lucius1976 Quite apart from Royal Oak being a war grave I read she is upside down and a large part of he hull was damaged. A survey a few years ago showed her in bad condition.
@canopus101 It was criminal, especialy scrapping Warspite. Possibly the most heavily engaged battleship of all time. Not many that fought in WW1 at Jutland, then in the Atlantic, Mediterranean, Pacifc, Indian Oceans and also was active at Normandy
Totally agree! They will not demolish creaking old dilapidated houses, listed etc, but a real piece of British history like Warspite, scrapped without a thought.
@canopus101. Yes your right what a waste it is. But you see, unfortunately we have politicians who are totally ignorant of History. They think only of the next election, and will sacrifice anyone or anything to achieve this. Look at our current crop, they have scrapped all our aircraft carriers and have left the Falkland Islands undefended. As someone once said if politics was for the good of the people they would ban it. Bring back Oliver Cromwell! For we still have the Long Parliament.
@SilentRunning1000 The Falklands are far from undefended. There's RAF Mount Pleasant with shiney new Typhoons sitting on the runway, a frigate on patrol and a battalion from the army. Given that reinforcements can now be flown to Mount Pleasant in hours rather than waiting weeks for the fleet to get down there and the fact that the argies are using the same kit they were 30 years ago I don't think they're inclined to attempt an invasion any time soon.
@ketsan You're right about the airfield and troops etc, but my point was about our inability to mount another Falklands style operation should the need arise. Troops cannot be flown in, if the airfield has been taken in a snap attack, which would be the most likely military scenario. If the Argies control the airfield they control the Falklands, we have no carriers to act as a fighting platform therefore we would have to cede control.
@ketsan As for the 30 year old equipment, that means nothing if the attacking force is large enough I cite the The Battle of Isandlwana as evidence that superior equipment is only effective if your force is large enough to begin with and no guarantee of victory. Even a well equipped modern force can be over-run by sheer force of numbers if the enemy if prepared to sacrifice enough military capital.
@lankinator24. Cromwell may have been a puritan, but at least he didn't sell Britain out at every opportunity and ruled for the good of the people. That's why he got rid of the long parliament. As for being an anti-royalist, its quite clear if you read your history......
@lankinator24. The only reason Charles I was put to death in the first place, was because he wouldn't acquiesce to the will of parliament. Cromwell was quite prepared for him to remain as a figurehead. The reason he was ousted in the first place was because he was corrupt. His people remained in abject poverty while he lavished the nations wealth on himself. As for the UKIP crack, I already do vote for them. The other 3 main party's would sell there own grandmother for 5p. The're useless.
@lankinator24. No Cromwell was not determined, he was the first to put his name on the death warrant because the other signatories lost their nerve. Lets face it, you would be signing the death warrant of a king. Even at the eleventh hour Cromwell beseeched him to sign but he would not....
@lankinator24. What really did for Charles I, was the fact that he was trying to make treaties with other foreign powers, for them to invade Britain, so he could keep his throne. It was at this point that it was determined that Charles I was to dangerous to remain alive and it was for this reason they went ahead with the trial for high treason.
@SilentRunning1000 The reason you give for Charles's execution is misleading: after the 2nd civil war, an army remonstrance was rejected by the HoC (Long Parliament), which also accepted Charles' proposals for settlement. The army then arrested "purged" 200 MPs to give them the majority (Rump Parliament) to establish a republic and pass an ordinance (rejected by the Lords) to put Charles on trial. These actions were clearly illegal and amounted essentially to a coup d'etat :-)
@SilentRunning1000 Agree entirely. It is ironic that Cromwell's speech on the dissolution of Parliament, would seem most apt if it was applied to the current crop of MP's on all sides in the House, "For all the good you have done, Go! and GO NOW!" Vanguard should have been preserved as a national monument to the Royal Navy. It is lamentable that such a young ship was put to the blow torch in 1960. We are constant victims of foolish & myopic politicians in the UK.
@TheYamR6Sp rubbish, bismarck was not the most powerfull ship ever constructed, check out the yamato,iowa class and even nth carolina and sth dakota classes compare well against the bismarck.
The thing is guys, we learned a lesson in WW2. The days of the battleship were over. They cannot survive alone, and can be "pecked" at mercy of smaller faster ships. Truth be told, no many battleships survived WW2 and those that did were sold for scrap pretty quickly to help pay off the war debt.
I wish they could turn some of the T42s that are being scrapped as we speak into museum ships.
@alex471996 I think the problem was their vulnerability to air attack. These beasts could take just about anything that smaller surface craft could throw at them.
But then there's the question of what you mean battleship. Do u mean a genral fighting ship or the class. HMS Belfast is actually a cruiser. HMS Gannet and Cavalier preserved at Chatham r well worth a visit. Cavalier is actually preserved in 18th century dry dock which was used to construct HMS Victory. Although there is one cruiser in Belfast which is a cadet ship and not open to the public HMS Caroline last known surviving ship of Jutland.
see my video of USS Nevada, she survived Pearl Harbour, two nuclear tests and gunnery practice for the Iowa classes, was finally crippled by an aerial torpedo. She was nicknamed the 'Unsinkable' and for good reason.
Very interesting; I went over this ship when I was a little boy of 5; it was moored at Weymouth; one's perspective on things is a little different at that age, what impressed me most was that they had the same design of bacon slicer in the galley as the one in our local shop!
@thebritish Yes a Pre-Dreadnought built by Vickers in the late 19th century unfortunately it Was built for the Japanese Navy its called Mikasa,but my favorite is HMS Warrior a Victorian Iron clad once the largest warship in the world its at Portsmouth near Victory.
@elswick1542 Oh ok thank you but I meant the giants for example a Nealson Class King George V class like the USS.Texas but thanks anyway but maby you can tell me do we have any Carriers preserved ??
@thebritish25 Yes sort of it was started in WW2 but not completed until about 1962 at Harland and Wolf(builder of Titanic) its called Vikrant,once flag ship of the Indian Navy,no actual RN carriers are preserved.
@thebritish25, Unfortunatly Great Britian, the nation who invented the Battleship has none preserved, its a crying shame when you consider that the Yanks have around 6, the only WW2 era ships we do have are the crusier HMS Belfast and a destroyer the HMS Cavalier docked at Portsmouth navalbase along with HMS Warrior and of course the most famous warship in the world HMS Victory
@TheCharlie359 That's the monitor M33 in dry dock alongside Victory. HMS Cavalier is moored at Chatham and the cruiser HMS Caroline in Belfast. There are also various other RN ships and submarines preserved around the country, at least a dozen in total. No dreadnoughts though. :0(
@thebritish25 If you google search them, there are 7 or 8 preserved and give there GPS coordinates then look them up on google earth. There one in San Jacinto(Texas), one in Cape Fear River, near Willmington (Alabama?) Ill try to look some up for you. All overhead views, Big Mo. in Pearl Harbour,
The "Majestic-class" Aircraft Carrier "HMS Hercules" (later renamed INS Vikrant) which has been Preserved in mumbai as a Museum Ship (the only RN Carrier to be so).
And "HMS Hermes", the last of the post war "Centaur Class" Carriers & veteran of the Falklands War (which saved her from the Scrap Yard), currently still in service as the "INS Viraat", & she is due also be Preserved when she's retired.
Until about 2000 "HMS Venerable" (aka "Veinticinco de Mayo") & "HMS Vengence" (aka "Minas Gerais") were still around as well, however neither were as lucky as Hercules or Hermes : (
@janak19771977 HMS.Warrior is an Ironclad Warship that now rests in Portsmouth near victory
as I know of we have Warior an mid 18 hundred Ironclad warship Belfast a inter-wars Crussier and Victory Im sure you know about Victory and half of the Mary Rose
@thebritish25 There's also HMS Caroline in Belfast. Last British WW1 light cruiser, and last survivor of the Battle of Jutland still afloat. She's still a Royal Navy Reserve training establishment too!
@thebritish25 HMS Warrior is another, but no the Royal Navy did not preserve any of the traditional 'Dreadnought-style' battleships...a crying shame since it represents a major chapter in the Royal Navy's history. The Royal Navy was a very major player indeed in the history of battleships - the first and last true 'battleships' were Royal Navy ships, and so were perhaps the finest of all battleships, the Queen Elizabeth class.
apart from America, no other nation kept any. Britain was bankrupted, selling battleships to scrappers raised vital funds and the general public opinion was to forget the war and that included the means it was fought; Battleships represented an age of conflict and so no-one was willing to preserve them.
The Yamato was a total waste of resources all that time and money and she only engaged jeep carriers and destroyers and ran away. At least the Iowas protected the carriers and served in 4 wars the US got her moneys worth.
thanks for posting!...i know how you feel...i get all misty eyed over our bb-64 uss wisconsin..."whiskey"...thankfully it survives as a museum ship!...(did you know some battleships still were afloat after hydrogen bomb tests at bikini?")
@m60a3ttsmilwaukee Yep. The only battleship sunk by a nuke was the Arkansas, and that was only because Crossroads Baker bomb was, for all intents and purposes, the world's biggest depth charge detonated. The ship itself was literally flipped end for end (see the films and photos). The other ships were damaged but most were so badly contaminated with radiation that few or no repairs were made. Many (Nagato, Prinz Eugen, Saratoga) sank later due to progressive flooding.
@DaMuttzNutz: My late father was USN in WWII, and saw the Prinz Eugen up-close while on liberty in San Francisco, I believe it was, in 1945. He said she was a monster. Not sure about surviving atomic bomb tests at Bikini Atoll, though...
@USSWISCONSIN64 The Iowa class were and still are the ultimate Battleship design(that was built),they were 2/3k faster had 9 larger guns firing heavy 2700lb shell,the 5/38 DP gun was the best ever made,deck armour was very good,turret armour was superb,Vanguard had superior side belt armour and according to the American author Norman Friedman superior surface fire control,overall Wis was the better ship it cost 5 times more than Vanguard.I love all Battleships.
@claypiesexygod Yamato had no effective targeting or search radar,no flash-less propellant,was 4k slower,no long range star shell,old type fire-control computer,no director control tower,no remote power control.in a daylight battle Yamato was the ultimate BB,but at night ship on ship my moneys on the Allied BB,s.
@elswick1542 Thing is if you got hit by one of those shells on that beast your pretty much fucked. And didnt an iowa class engage it anyway and didnt even dent the fucker. lol
@claypiesexygod Don,t remember an Iowa ever engaging another Battleship but the same goes the Iowa used 16" 50cal guns that fired 2700lb super heavy shell,if you can hit without being hit back the Yamato,s larger guns become irrelevant but this is possible only in a night action or bad weather.
@elswick1542 Iowas never engage jap BB however if Halsey had not falling for jap bluff of carriers in north with no aircraft the iowa and New Jersey would have faced Yamato, kongo, Haruna and if Musashi was not sunk the day before you can add her. But thats water unser bridge. Wisconsin could have faced Yamato off Okinawa 1945 but carrier admirals ruled in 1945
@elswick1542 Yamato, Musashi rarely fired the main guns because liners had to be replaced after 100 rounds so jap accuracy is in question no problem in day light as I can see. Also jap jap shells as kraut shells suffered from many duds maybe because of slave labor the axis used to make shells.
@elswick1542 essentially a larger/faster South Dakota class with the 50cal gun was the impression I got.. all the extra wieght basical;ly went into gaining 6knots or so
@elswick1542 10,000 tons was a high price to pay, shes almost like a Battlecruiser to be honest in that she isnt armoured against her own guns. They would have only achieved this with the Montanna class monsters.
My father served on Vanguard around 1947, he said she was an unhappy ship, I knew that was probably because she never fired her guns in anger. From reading some of the comments about her being outclassed explains a bit more...
yohodi 1 week ago
HMS Vanguard also starred as the Bismark in the film Sink The Bismark , must have been the last thing she did as the film is listed as made 1960 !!!
OldOldOakMan 1 week ago
Good points....why is it that in America we had the public preserve some dreadnaughts but not in UK?
PotatoGunsRule 4 weeks ago
@PotatoGunsRule Because we can be idiots it seems... A real shame. Bah
Th3Gr33k 2 weeks ago
Great video.
I really liked the shots of the shells being loaded.
Yes Britain's navy really is a shadow of what it once was.
I think you spend too much money on welfare and not enough on protection!
Imagine having no aircraft carrier for a few years, and then no aircraft to go on it.
Digmen1 1 month ago
Shame you didn't have the pogniant photo of her as she was towed out of Portsmouth for the last time.
She slipped her tow and traversed 90 degree's and blocked Portsmouth harbour mouth. Her bow completely dwarfed every building in sight; it was like she was refusing to go to the breakers.
derbbus 2 months ago
That's when GB still had somthing going on.
Now look at it, their Navy is reduced the size of that of Belgium, or the Netherlands, and where is the Kingdom now?
Singapour, Malta, Cyprus, Alexandria etc....
It's sad.
Myanleader 2 months ago
Zarquon53
You are very correct. How ever, their where several major difference between the unbuilt Lion Class and the Vanguard Class. The biggest was internal damage protection. The Lion was KGV class with bigger naval rifles in a different turret layout. The lessons learned in the naval battles in the PTO caused many changes to her damage control design. After these changes where made, Vanguard looked an KGV modification, but in reality she was a different beast all together.
mdtdragon 2 months ago
From what I have been able to learn. Vanguard was a modification Of the King George V Class. You can see Vanguard's layout for her DP Guns are like KGV Class. She looked good, but as a Battleship, she was already out classed by the Iowa Class. Of course, as we all know, they where all pushed to the way side by the Carrier. Very nicely done.
mdtdragon 2 months ago
@mdtdragon sorry? why was she outclased by iowa?
pramboy09 2 months ago
@pramboy09 Yes...the HMS Vanguard was out classed by the Iowa Class. Vanguard's 15" main guns had a much shorter range the the Iowa Class 16" main guns. Vanguard's guns also had lower killing power (14,000 Foot Pounds ) and lower throw weight. Vanguard was also slower then the Iowa class ships. I do have more information if you want it. Vanguard's guns where the same as in the Hood, QE, Revenge and Renown classes.
mdtdragon 2 months ago
@mdtdragon Vanguard was designed and built in a screaming rush as a fast reinforcement for the Far Eastern area when the threat from Japan became clear .
She was basically the unbuilt Lion class , ( 9x16inch main battery , all else to be as you see )
but with the " Spare " twin 15inch mounts taken out of Glorious and Courageous , to save construction time ( it is the tremedously complicated machines that are the big gun turrets that take the time to make + finally install )
zarquon53 2 months ago
@mdtdragon Only in certain respects. Yes Iowa had bigger newer better guns and was faster but Vanguard was a better and more stable seaboat and a better gun platform. In excercises in the 1950's in the Atlantic Iowa's had problems shooting as the waves engulfed her front turrets as they ploughed forward while Vanguard had no such problem. Also Vanguards turrets were fully modernised increasing acurracy and range. Supercharges were developed [though never used] which increased range greatly.
fyorbane 1 month ago
What a beautiful ship the Vangaurd was. My mom was from Southampton UK & saw it several times in the late 1940's after the war.
I wish that somehow the ship had been saved; were any of the battleships built by Britain saved as museums?
Ca1861 3 months ago
@Ca1861
none, Britain got rid of all her Battleships, even well decorated ones like Warspite. Only exceptions are Victory (a ship of the line) and Warrior (a 19th century ironclad Battleship)
HelmutVillam 3 months ago
@HelmutVillam
You're forgetting the HMS Belfast, you know, that big WWII Cruiser sitting right underneath tower-bridge...on the Thames :) might not be a battleship, but it's a surviving museum now.
Splatmanify 1 month ago
@Splatmanify
indeed calling it a Battleship is a bit generous (she wasn't even a Heavy Cruiser, only had 6" guns) but I'd sure like to see her someday before some pencil pusher orders her to be scrapped under 'restructuring' of some trust fund.
HelmutVillam 1 month ago
@GrandeurFrancaise. The same country I might add that helped liberate your country from the Nazi yoke and restore your national sovereignty. The same country that gave your troops a base to fight from after Germany invaded your country. so try and show a bit of respect eh?
SilentRunning1000 3 months ago
@SilentRunning1000
tYOU MUST LIBERATE YOUR COUNTRY BY NAZISTS OF ROYAL FAMILY. THE UK ROYAL FAMILY IS GERMAN, THE UK NATIONAL HANATEM IS THE SAME OF PRUSSIA, THE GOD SAVE THE QUEEN.
SO PLEASE USE THE MIND BEFORE OPEN THE FRONT S..T HOLE
GrandeurFrancaise 3 months ago
@GrandeurFrancaise France is a great country with friendly people, you are a missing link.
So in best Anglo Saxon F**K 0FF.
elswick1542 3 months ago 3
@GrandeurFrancaise The British royal family changed their last name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor in 1917. The reason? World War One broke out in 1914 and anit-German sentiment was at its height in 1917. In protest, King George V renounced all the German titles belonging to him and his family and adopted the name of his castle, Windsor. In other words it was before world war 2 and has nothing to do with the Nazi's.
SilentRunning1000 3 months ago
@GrandeurFrancaise. And as for using my mind, I suggest you have yours examined, take a pill and have a lie down and maybe you'll feel better soon, because you seem to have a pathological hatred of Britain. I for one don't hate your country, maybe you could afford me the same respect eh?
SilentRunning1000 3 months ago
@GrandeurFrancaise The English (not British) have used the tune well before it was adopted by Prussia/Germany. Considering the great German composers one wonders why they adopted a foreign anthem as their own. Beside Germany it has also been used by The Kingdom of Hawaii, Russia, Switzerland , Norway, Liechtenstein (currently) and is used as the state song for some US states. Being German and being Nazis are not one and the same thing. If they are why is France so close to Germany now.
binaway 2 months ago
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SilentRunning1000 3 months ago
They spent all that money for such a grand battleship only to scrap it 16 years later?? Makes no sense... Such a waste.
Pradiip79 3 months ago
She has verry similar design to the U.S. Iowa Class.
BIGBUCK20 4 months ago
She was out of date before she left the slips the day of the battleship had gone even before WW2 but only a few navy higher ups accepted it and it took the loss of too many matlots to prove it & the carrier had become the capitol ship
trackend 4 months ago
She was also the only British Battleship never to fire a shot in anger , instead usually used as a Royal Yacht. The Vanguard went to Faslane for breaking
clydeferries 5 months ago
@clydeferries The first modern Battleship HMS Dreadnought also never fired in anger although it did ram and sink a U-Boat.
elswick1542 5 months ago
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@elswick1542 what does "fired in anger" mean
rockyson990 4 months ago
@elswick1542 that must have been a bumpy ride for the crew
USSWISCONSIN64 3 months ago
They should've kept her as a museum , we were'nt a poor country in 1960 , they could have put her somewhere in the Thames at least .
Wad12br 6 months ago
Saw the Vanguard being launched. Watched it from the opposite bank of the Clyde to where John Brown's shipyard was situated and stood at the mouth of the river White Cart. My father worked on building it during WW2 years.
Jennings03 6 months ago
My God, what I'd give to have been on the bridge for just one salvo..... tension rising as the guns are loaded... turrets swing silently to track the target.... silly *ting ting*... the BLAM!
jonewer 6 months ago
@jonewer
A salvo? You probably mean a broadside.
Jennings03 6 months ago
It is such a shame that of all the battleships built for the Royal Navy, not one remains afloat.
carsmasher 7 months ago
@carsmasher germany and french got the same not one remains afloat...
nfsmw9 6 months ago
@nfsmw9 - "Germany has no battleships afloat" - hmmm ... I wonder why that is ...
Twirlyhead 6 months ago
@Twirlyhead because no battleship did suvive.
nfsmw9 6 months ago
@Twirlyhead
They were sunk!
Jennings03 6 months ago
My dad was a chief petty officer on this ship just before she was decommisioned.
marcus298 8 months ago
My grandpa served on board this ship
ploper93 8 months ago
Japanese pre-Dreadnought battleship 'Mikasa' is preserved as a museum ship, launched in Britain in 1900, she fought in the Battle of the Yellow Sea and the Battle of Tsushima during the Russo-Japanese war
dcanmore 8 months ago
you know what i wish the hood and Vanguard where sid by side now that wood look good
NBNA100 8 months ago
Interesting point in comments about retrofitting the BB hull. Great shots from inside the barbette showing gun loading procedure.
lebarosky 8 months ago
Huge mistake never preserving a UK Battleship, Warspite would have been my choice
CTNZ2000 8 months ago
A shame she wasn't converted into a cruiser after WW2. I don't understand the logic behind scrapping all the BB's, when all that armor would make them worth two ships in a fire fight. Certainly the cost to build armored ships today is too high, so's more the loss. Did you notice that all the museum ships in the U.S. are rusting away in the water, instead of in dry docks like the Brits. Totally stupid.
JBC814 9 months ago
@JBC814
conventional post war ships in the royal navy were notably poor, Vanguard would've made a fantastic platform for a double ended guided missile cruiser, a lot of money saved on designing new hulls. Shame we always put morons in charge of our navy and defence budget.
HelmutVillam 9 months ago
@HelmutVillam : Absolutely, all the BB's should have been at least considered for conversion to cruisers due to the fact that the cost of steel prohibits their construction today. Today's ships are out of the fight after one hit, when it took a dozen hits to sink even a destroyer in WW2. They scrapped the Alaska class cruisers also in '59 when they were still brand new. A total waste of resources that could out-perform anything made today in a firefight. Gross incompetence.
JBC814 9 months ago
@JBC814 but surely such big ships would be easy prey to a 'shower' of sea skimming anti ship missiles?
think just a couple of hits from exocets on our Uk carriers in the falklands war and we probably would have been up shit creek
thatwilldonicely 7 months ago
This video is realy good.!:).
TobyParr 9 months ago
This is by far the finest version of Under The White Ensign I've heard, can you tell me please where it's from?
Damnblastify 9 months ago
@Damnblastify IIR its by the Band of the Royal Marines.
elswick1542 9 months ago
@elswick1542 The one and only......best marching band in the world.
cpet60 5 months ago
Respond to this video... Had a tour recently of the latest HMS Vanguard.....the Trident armed SSBN. Equaly impressive in its own sinister way.
cpet60 5 months ago
HMS Caroline, a light cruiser, is still in use as a training ship and is preserved in Belfast harbour in a dry dock. She is the last survivor of the Battle of Jutland :-)
hmscollingwood 10 months ago
It´s sad that we don´t have any bb´s in Europe as museum ships. I was on the north carolina in us, it was great
clama79 11 months ago
When magnetic pulse bombs render hi-tech weapons useless, navies will wish they had ships like this to rely on
horselips 11 months ago
The Royal Navy is said to be remarkably unsentimental about its old ships.
They were history. A great pity. We don't bulldoze the Tower of London.
kgs42 11 months ago
It was a fine ship; although It would been a lil better if it was equipped with newer guns.
Nice vid ;)
VRichardsn 11 months ago
They should have converted it to a missile cruiser. Terrible waste of resources because armored ships can keep fighting after taking several hits, which none of today's ships can do.
JBC814 11 months ago
What a shame they didn't keep her as per the Americans with the Iowa class. What a great ship it would have been to have refitted with all the modern missile systems...a real symbolic piece of machinery.
DingoMikle 1 year ago
I believe Vanguard was actually built off the shelf?
Bridge was off the KGV class, guns from Courageous, secondary guns from American Iowa class, plus some other odds and ends?
Magnificent looking no less.
derbbus 1 year ago
yes a nice lookinmg ship indeed .
kingbleah 1 year ago
a waste of money, Admiral Cunningham words, their time had passed.
Aubury 1 year ago
In 1946 when Vanguard joined the fleet it was the most advanced battleship in the world and arguably the best looking!
TheCharlie359 1 year ago
@TheCharlie359
but not with those guns...........
notsureyou 1 year ago
@notsureyou, No the guns were as you probably no from light battlecruisers that served very breifly with the RN in WW1, but the ship itself was!
TheCharlie359 1 year ago
@TheCharlie359
I know :)
but did you know that the max range of those guns was less than 30,000 yards? (there is no evidence that she carried the 'super charge').
Though apparently she was a better sea keeping boat than Iowa
notsureyou 1 year ago
@notsureyou, I wasnt aware of that no, its seems a backward step though if true as the QE's that were modernised in the 30's included supercharges for their guns, if as was proudly proclaimed by the RN in 46 that Vangaurd was the most advanced battleship ever to put to sea id imagine that improvement was incorperated, yes the USN itself admitted Vangaurd to be the better sea boat, however as was the case with the USN after the war it soon leapt ahead again making her obsolete.
TheCharlie359 1 year ago
@TheCharlie359 The old 15" guns on the part modernized ships those with only 20deg elevation were equipped with super charge but none were ever fired as far as I know.Vanguard had the recoil system upgraded to fire super charge so had both s/c and 30deg elevation but as the war was over none were ever fired,if Vanguard got to the Pacific it fires diving shell HE penetrating with S/C MV 805mps.An American Friedman claims V had the best firecontrol ever fitted to BB.Old teeth great bite.
elswick1542 1 year ago
the strongest battleships are: on first Yamato class, the Iowa class and the Nelson class on second place Bismarck class, Richelieu class, Vanguard class and The King George V the third place Gneisenau class and HMS Hood . But i think ALL battleships are the best and strongest ships on world
NavalFroces 1 year ago
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vaxiawval 1 year ago
I wish that HMS Vanguard had ben preserved, I wish, even more, that HMS Warspite had become a museum ship. Such a waste to destroy a capital ship that served us so well in two world wars.
canopus101 1 year ago 14
@canopus101 Yeah, I agree. Vanguard was a beautiful ship, and I have no doubt that she deserved preservation. But if only one RN battleship had been preserved, it should have been the Warspite, I don't know of any other ship with so much soul
higfny 10 months ago
@canopus101
Maybe raising the Royal Oak? Should´nt be too hard. Its only a few meters below surface.
lucius1976 9 months ago
@lucius1976 Can't do it under current law, Royal Oak is a registered war grave.
canopus101 9 months ago
@lucius1976 Quite apart from Royal Oak being a war grave I read she is upside down and a large part of he hull was damaged. A survey a few years ago showed her in bad condition.
freebeerfordworkers 9 months ago
@canopus101 It was criminal, especialy scrapping Warspite. Possibly the most heavily engaged battleship of all time. Not many that fought in WW1 at Jutland, then in the Atlantic, Mediterranean, Pacifc, Indian Oceans and also was active at Normandy
WinterBornActual 8 months ago 6
@WinterBornActual
Totally agree! They will not demolish creaking old dilapidated houses, listed etc, but a real piece of British history like Warspite, scrapped without a thought.
plasticpig1000 3 months ago
@canopus101 - yes of all the Royal Navy battleships - Warspite was the one
shumble32 7 months ago
@shumble32 You are so very right, terrible that this part of our heritage was trashed. In her own way she was as important as H.M.S. Victory.
canopus101 7 months ago
@canopus101. Yes your right what a waste it is. But you see, unfortunately we have politicians who are totally ignorant of History. They think only of the next election, and will sacrifice anyone or anything to achieve this. Look at our current crop, they have scrapped all our aircraft carriers and have left the Falkland Islands undefended. As someone once said if politics was for the good of the people they would ban it. Bring back Oliver Cromwell! For we still have the Long Parliament.
SilentRunning1000 6 months ago 12
@SilentRunning1000 The Falklands are far from undefended. There's RAF Mount Pleasant with shiney new Typhoons sitting on the runway, a frigate on patrol and a battalion from the army. Given that reinforcements can now be flown to Mount Pleasant in hours rather than waiting weeks for the fleet to get down there and the fact that the argies are using the same kit they were 30 years ago I don't think they're inclined to attempt an invasion any time soon.
ketsan 4 months ago
@ketsan You're right about the airfield and troops etc, but my point was about our inability to mount another Falklands style operation should the need arise. Troops cannot be flown in, if the airfield has been taken in a snap attack, which would be the most likely military scenario. If the Argies control the airfield they control the Falklands, we have no carriers to act as a fighting platform therefore we would have to cede control.
SilentRunning1000 4 months ago
@ketsan As for the 30 year old equipment, that means nothing if the attacking force is large enough I cite the The Battle of Isandlwana as evidence that superior equipment is only effective if your force is large enough to begin with and no guarantee of victory. Even a well equipped modern force can be over-run by sheer force of numbers if the enemy if prepared to sacrifice enough military capital.
SilentRunning1000 4 months ago
@SilentRunning1000 Vote UKIP then. And Cromwell? I'd rather not have a puritan anti-royalist.
lankinator24 1 month ago
@lankinator24. Cromwell may have been a puritan, but at least he didn't sell Britain out at every opportunity and ruled for the good of the people. That's why he got rid of the long parliament. As for being an anti-royalist, its quite clear if you read your history......
SilentRunning1000 1 month ago
@lankinator24. The only reason Charles I was put to death in the first place, was because he wouldn't acquiesce to the will of parliament. Cromwell was quite prepared for him to remain as a figurehead. The reason he was ousted in the first place was because he was corrupt. His people remained in abject poverty while he lavished the nations wealth on himself. As for the UKIP crack, I already do vote for them. The other 3 main party's would sell there own grandmother for 5p. The're useless.
SilentRunning1000 1 month ago
@SilentRunning1000 Cromwell was the most determined to have him killed!
lankinator24 1 month ago
@lankinator24. No Cromwell was not determined, he was the first to put his name on the death warrant because the other signatories lost their nerve. Lets face it, you would be signing the death warrant of a king. Even at the eleventh hour Cromwell beseeched him to sign but he would not....
SilentRunning1000 1 month ago
@lankinator24. What really did for Charles I, was the fact that he was trying to make treaties with other foreign powers, for them to invade Britain, so he could keep his throne. It was at this point that it was determined that Charles I was to dangerous to remain alive and it was for this reason they went ahead with the trial for high treason.
SilentRunning1000 1 month ago
@SilentRunning1000 The reason you give for Charles's execution is misleading: after the 2nd civil war, an army remonstrance was rejected by the HoC (Long Parliament), which also accepted Charles' proposals for settlement. The army then arrested "purged" 200 MPs to give them the majority (Rump Parliament) to establish a republic and pass an ordinance (rejected by the Lords) to put Charles on trial. These actions were clearly illegal and amounted essentially to a coup d'etat :-)
elrjames777 1 month ago
@SilentRunning1000 Agree entirely. It is ironic that Cromwell's speech on the dissolution of Parliament, would seem most apt if it was applied to the current crop of MP's on all sides in the House, "For all the good you have done, Go! and GO NOW!" Vanguard should have been preserved as a national monument to the Royal Navy. It is lamentable that such a young ship was put to the blow torch in 1960. We are constant victims of foolish & myopic politicians in the UK.
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 1 month ago
@SilentRunning1000 "they have scrapped all our aircraft carriers"
No they haven't, although they are still treasonous
MrStig691 4 weeks ago
The Bismarck was the best and most powerfull ship ever constructed!
TheYamR6Sp 1 year ago
@TheYamR6Sp rubbish
pramboy09 1 year ago
@TheYamR6Sp rubbish, bismarck was not the most powerfull ship ever constructed, check out the yamato,iowa class and even nth carolina and sth dakota classes compare well against the bismarck.
pramboy09 1 year ago
I so wish that this ship was moored down the Thames alongside Belfast.
Marlever357 1 year ago
The thing is guys, we learned a lesson in WW2. The days of the battleship were over. They cannot survive alone, and can be "pecked" at mercy of smaller faster ships. Truth be told, no many battleships survived WW2 and those that did were sold for scrap pretty quickly to help pay off the war debt.
I wish they could turn some of the T42s that are being scrapped as we speak into museum ships.
alex471996 1 year ago
@alex471996 I think the problem was their vulnerability to air attack. These beasts could take just about anything that smaller surface craft could throw at them.
DaMuttzNutz 1 year ago
But then there's the question of what you mean battleship. Do u mean a genral fighting ship or the class. HMS Belfast is actually a cruiser. HMS Gannet and Cavalier preserved at Chatham r well worth a visit. Cavalier is actually preserved in 18th century dry dock which was used to construct HMS Victory. Although there is one cruiser in Belfast which is a cadet ship and not open to the public HMS Caroline last known surviving ship of Jutland.
GreatBritain1916 1 year ago
@biggayal1992
see my video of USS Nevada, she survived Pearl Harbour, two nuclear tests and gunnery practice for the Iowa classes, was finally crippled by an aerial torpedo. She was nicknamed the 'Unsinkable' and for good reason.
HelmutVillam 1 year ago
Great vid. Always wished it had been preserved with Warrior as you say "first and last". Wasn't it cut up at Portsmouth?
judgejedi 1 year ago
epic video it is a brilliant tribute
hgmjbtl 1 year ago 2
the last as the jean bar
druisteen2 1 year ago
Very interesting; I went over this ship when I was a little boy of 5; it was moored at Weymouth; one's perspective on things is a little different at that age, what impressed me most was that they had the same design of bacon slicer in the galley as the one in our local shop!
I think this would have been in 1952.
JimTLonW6 1 year ago
I had not heard of the HMS Vanguard before this video. It was a beautiful ship. To bad it was sold for scrap. What a shame.
pdk25 1 year ago
Do we have any Battleships preserved ??
As I only know of two warships of the navy preserved and they are of course Belfast and Victory.
thebritish25 1 year ago 5
@thebritish25 I think theirs a ww1 near harland and wolf and thats it only america keep hold of their ships its quite sad we couldnt
turkurtable 1 year ago
@thebritish Yes a Pre-Dreadnought built by Vickers in the late 19th century unfortunately it Was built for the Japanese Navy its called Mikasa,but my favorite is HMS Warrior a Victorian Iron clad once the largest warship in the world its at Portsmouth near Victory.
elswick1542 1 year ago
@elswick1542 Oh ok thank you but I meant the giants for example a Nealson Class King George V class like the USS.Texas but thanks anyway but maby you can tell me do we have any Carriers preserved ??
thebritish25 1 year ago
@thebritish25 Yes sort of it was started in WW2 but not completed until about 1962 at Harland and Wolf(builder of Titanic) its called Vikrant,once flag ship of the Indian Navy,no actual RN carriers are preserved.
elswick1542 1 year ago
@thebritish25, Unfortunatly Great Britian, the nation who invented the Battleship has none preserved, its a crying shame when you consider that the Yanks have around 6, the only WW2 era ships we do have are the crusier HMS Belfast and a destroyer the HMS Cavalier docked at Portsmouth navalbase along with HMS Warrior and of course the most famous warship in the world HMS Victory
TheCharlie359 1 year ago
@TheCharlie359 That's the monitor M33 in dry dock alongside Victory. HMS Cavalier is moored at Chatham and the cruiser HMS Caroline in Belfast. There are also various other RN ships and submarines preserved around the country, at least a dozen in total. No dreadnoughts though. :0(
DaMuttzNutz 1 year ago
@DaMuttzNutz, HMS-Caroline in a WW1 era cruiser not WW2.
TheCharlie359 1 year ago
@DaMuttzNutz Many forget the cruiser Averof in Athens. A perfectly preserved jem that almost nobody remembers anymore.
ReiAyanami4ever 1 year ago
@ReiAyanami4ever
indeed I have always wished to see her, along with the Aurora in Russia and the USS Texas.
HelmutVillam 1 year ago
@thebritish25 If you google search them, there are 7 or 8 preserved and give there GPS coordinates then look them up on google earth. There one in San Jacinto(Texas), one in Cape Fear River, near Willmington (Alabama?) Ill try to look some up for you. All overhead views, Big Mo. in Pearl Harbour,
kennnmoran 10 months ago
@kennnmoran Ah thank you for taking the time to post the comment.
But I was asking for any UK warships as I am British but thanks anyway
thebritish25 10 months ago
@thebritish25 No capital ships I'm afraid, but pop up to Chatham , they have Ocelot, Gannet and Cavalier. And up in Scotland they have the Caroline.
SuperAncientmariner 10 months ago
@SuperAncientmariner The light cruiser HMS Caroline is in Belfast harbour in dry dock. Still in use.
hmscollingwood 10 months ago
@SuperAncientmariner Belfast is it. I knew she was floating about in use somewhere.
SuperAncientmariner 10 months ago
@thebritish25 Actually we do, two in fact!!
(abet not preserved in Britain itself)
The "Majestic-class" Aircraft Carrier "HMS Hercules" (later renamed INS Vikrant) which has been Preserved in mumbai as a Museum Ship (the only RN Carrier to be so).
And "HMS Hermes", the last of the post war "Centaur Class" Carriers & veteran of the Falklands War (which saved her from the Scrap Yard), currently still in service as the "INS Viraat", & she is due also be Preserved when she's retired.
TSR1989LW 10 months ago
@thebritish25
Until about 2000 "HMS Venerable" (aka "Veinticinco de Mayo") & "HMS Vengence" (aka "Minas Gerais") were still around as well, however neither were as lucky as Hercules or Hermes : (
TSR1989LW 10 months ago
@thebritish25 HMS Belfast is or was a prison ship I think
fishini 1 year ago
@fishini No HMS.Belfast is a Crusier and I have already done it from top to bottom buit thanks for the comment anyway.
thebritish25 1 year ago
@thebritish25
hello my ennglish friend
i am a frenchie
so sorry
they have not batlleship preserved in europe
but your lucky
your are a cruiser , a ironsclad and the victory
france will destroy her last cruiser soon
you can told that frenchh is stupid
druisteen2 1 year ago
@thebritish25 Warior?
janak19771977 1 year ago
@janak19771977 HMS.Warrior is an Ironclad Warship that now rests in Portsmouth near victory
as I know of we have Warior an mid 18 hundred Ironclad warship Belfast a inter-wars Crussier and Victory Im sure you know about Victory and half of the Mary Rose
If you know of any others let us know.
thebritish25 1 year ago
@thebritish25 There's also HMS Caroline in Belfast. Last British WW1 light cruiser, and last survivor of the Battle of Jutland still afloat. She's still a Royal Navy Reserve training establishment too!
palmersperry 1 year ago
@thebritish25 We Yanks have a couple. Maybe if you're ever over here you could see one. To me, they're bigger in real life than they look on film.
davidrodgersNJ 1 year ago
@davidrodgersNJ Yep, I saw Iowa in NYC in 1984 - amazing sight. We just have HMS Belfast on Thames - a cruiser.
RSleepy 1 year ago
@thebritish25 HMS Warrior is another, but no the Royal Navy did not preserve any of the traditional 'Dreadnought-style' battleships...a crying shame since it represents a major chapter in the Royal Navy's history. The Royal Navy was a very major player indeed in the history of battleships - the first and last true 'battleships' were Royal Navy ships, and so were perhaps the finest of all battleships, the Queen Elizabeth class.
wahaya2 9 months ago
@thebritish25 Sadly not. HMS Cavalier a destroyer is preserved at Chatham. HMS Warrior the first iron plated ship of the line is based at Bristol.
With such a proud history you would think more ships of the RN would have been preserved.
takharov1 7 months ago
@thebritish25 warrior hms bristol and also HMS monitor are a few
deepskanker 6 months ago
@thebritish25. No we don't. Like everything else, our illustrious leaders sell it for scrap. The're not fit to shine their shoes.
SilentRunning1000 6 months ago
Линейный корабль"Вэнгард"-Королевская яхта(Battleship Vanguard-Kings yacht)?
Bruno47602 1 year ago
what the hell,sold for scrap?thats a waste!
kamikazeboy123 1 year ago
why didn't the poms keep some of their battleships as museum ships...
...like everyone else?
AustralianPyro 1 year ago
@AustralianPyro
apart from America, no other nation kept any. Britain was bankrupted, selling battleships to scrappers raised vital funds and the general public opinion was to forget the war and that included the means it was fought; Battleships represented an age of conflict and so no-one was willing to preserve them.
HelmutVillam 1 year ago
It is a shame Great Britain did not save even 1 battleship from entire fleet.
ShapurKing 1 year ago
her guns were reused from other warships.
Lumotaku 1 year ago
@Lumotaku Correct, they were from Light cruisers Glorious and Courageous.
admiraldma 1 year ago
its not a battleship it has small guns and had small armor if u cant take a hit from ur own gun i would say ur a battlecruiser
steamingpoopfart 1 year ago
The Yamato was a total waste of resources all that time and money and she only engaged jeep carriers and destroyers and ran away. At least the Iowas protected the carriers and served in 4 wars the US got her moneys worth.
tangocharlie11 1 year ago
thanks for posting!...i know how you feel...i get all misty eyed over our bb-64 uss wisconsin..."whiskey"...thankfully it survives as a museum ship!...(did you know some battleships still were afloat after hydrogen bomb tests at bikini?")
m60a3ttsmilwaukee 1 year ago 4
@m60a3ttsmilwaukee Yep. The only battleship sunk by a nuke was the Arkansas, and that was only because Crossroads Baker bomb was, for all intents and purposes, the world's biggest depth charge detonated. The ship itself was literally flipped end for end (see the films and photos). The other ships were damaged but most were so badly contaminated with radiation that few or no repairs were made. Many (Nagato, Prinz Eugen, Saratoga) sank later due to progressive flooding.
cabbievonbump 1 year ago
@cabbievonbump IJN Nagato was sunk in the test
jers59 1 year ago
@m60a3ttsmilwaukee I believe the cruiser Prinz Eugen survived at least two tests also. A testament to her builders.
DaMuttzNutz 1 year ago
@DaMuttzNutz: My late father was USN in WWII, and saw the Prinz Eugen up-close while on liberty in San Francisco, I believe it was, in 1945. He said she was a monster. Not sure about surviving atomic bomb tests at Bikini Atoll, though...
GeorgiaBoy1961 11 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Survived the Able and Baker tests. She was too radioactive after that, so they towed her off and scuttled her.
DaMuttzNutz 11 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Survived the Able and Baker tests. She was too radioactive after that, so they towed her off and scuttled her.
DaMuttzNutz 11 months ago
Think about it. The USS Wisconsin VS the HMS Vanguard in a battle. Wisconsin would win i bet.
USSWISCONSIN64 1 year ago
@USSWISCONSIN64 The Iowa class were and still are the ultimate Battleship design(that was built),they were 2/3k faster had 9 larger guns firing heavy 2700lb shell,the 5/38 DP gun was the best ever made,deck armour was very good,turret armour was superb,Vanguard had superior side belt armour and according to the American author Norman Friedman superior surface fire control,overall Wis was the better ship it cost 5 times more than Vanguard.I love all Battleships.
elswick1542 1 year ago
@elswick1542 bollocks. As a brit i say that the yamato would shatter all of them in battle. It never got the chance
claypiesexygod 1 year ago
@claypiesexygod Yamato had no effective targeting or search radar,no flash-less propellant,was 4k slower,no long range star shell,old type fire-control computer,no director control tower,no remote power control.in a daylight battle Yamato was the ultimate BB,but at night ship on ship my moneys on the Allied BB,s.
elswick1542 1 year ago
@elswick1542 Thing is if you got hit by one of those shells on that beast your pretty much fucked. And didnt an iowa class engage it anyway and didnt even dent the fucker. lol
claypiesexygod 1 year ago
@claypiesexygod Don,t remember an Iowa ever engaging another Battleship but the same goes the Iowa used 16" 50cal guns that fired 2700lb super heavy shell,if you can hit without being hit back the Yamato,s larger guns become irrelevant but this is possible only in a night action or bad weather.
elswick1542 1 year ago
@elswick1542 yamato was better american ships are decedant.
claypiesexygod 1 year ago
@elswick1542 Iowas never engage jap BB however if Halsey had not falling for jap bluff of carriers in north with no aircraft the iowa and New Jersey would have faced Yamato, kongo, Haruna and if Musashi was not sunk the day before you can add her. But thats water unser bridge. Wisconsin could have faced Yamato off Okinawa 1945 but carrier admirals ruled in 1945
jers59 1 year ago
@elswick1542 Yamato, Musashi rarely fired the main guns because liners had to be replaced after 100 rounds so jap accuracy is in question no problem in day light as I can see. Also jap jap shells as kraut shells suffered from many duds maybe because of slave labor the axis used to make shells.
jers59 1 year ago
@elswick1542 essentially a larger/faster South Dakota class with the 50cal gun was the impression I got.. all the extra wieght basical;ly went into gaining 6knots or so
dougstiro 1 year ago
@dougstiro Agree the only advantage an Iowa has over the South Dak,s was speed always a very expensive commodity.
elswick1542 1 year ago
@elswick1542 10,000 tons was a high price to pay, shes almost like a Battlecruiser to be honest in that she isnt armoured against her own guns. They would have only achieved this with the Montanna class monsters.
dougstiro 1 year ago
@dougstiro Belt armour was poor only 12" A class,turrets and decks good though.
elswick1542 1 year ago
@elswick1542 that goes along with the USN doctorin of fighting at long range I suppose
dougstiro 1 year ago