The Science Of Eternity (Part 2)

[Aaron72591]

Religion and Science are two different ways of explaining the same thing.

[Entropian2012]

@Aaron72591 In the future the idea of science and religion being seperate will be Unthinkable

[somhairleog]

....ieve they know one way or the other. But Rons theory has a lot of scientific back up and hes been proved right on a lot of things since this video was made. Very interesting theory, i applaud him. But I think ill wait until i die to know for sure!!

[somhairleog]

.... And when we die we return, or wake up to our aethoric consciousness with full knowledge of tuning or plugging in to different matter systems, of which this life is just one of many. If aethoric consiousness created this percieved life, its possible. Its scientific fact that our world is only solid because we percieve waves bouncing off each other as physical objects. Not saying i believe we will have full consciousness as we know now when we die but its possible. Any human is a fool to bel

[TheLovesoul1]

@somhairleog human consciouness isn't full its like a point of light on a screen not full but filtered consciousness.

[somhairleog]

Well Ron has been proved right, the aether has since been proved and its what we now call dark energy, the glue of the universe. Thats fact. What isnt is that it has consiousness and created a matter system. I find the theory facsinating, Although im sceptical. If life is eternal, why dony we have memory before birth? My 2cent would be our eternal consiousness is in the ether and we 'tune in' to these matter systems very much like a dream whether its for fun, experience of perceived physicality

[jasonwkeller76]

This is showing God in science. Love it!

[baccaratbargaineq]

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[raynarks]

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,

Than are dreamt of in your philosophy: William Shakespeare.

[jumpinjackflh]

Wow! What if your mind is already in the ether now at this very moment, but you just don't know it? It makes sense really in relation to what Ron says, when you die you don't really go anywhere at all! You can also ask : Who is anyone to say or prove that the mind is contained only in the flesh of our heads (or what we call our brain)? In reality I'd say The brain is only an instrument to exist logically on this physical plane! The mind is always in the ether so at death it travels no where.

[jumpinjackflh]

This marvelous man Ron Pearson is certainly under-rated. IMHO He is just as high up as Einstein, Newton and other great famous Physicists. What he describes regading the Ether certainly corresponds to what the great man Isaac Newton presumed existed. SO if you look at Newtons Fixed law of Garvitation, which did indeed prove correct! Why then would the ether theory be not? (which of course links to survial after death) Newton was the first to find strong evidence of it's existence!

[TheNatho1988]

all i say is wait and see

[LachlanBerry05099]

As much as i hope there is an afterlife etc etc, this guy was an idiot saying the aether is real...pfff nooo that has been completely refuted long ago.

[macfheargail]

Ron Pearson. Salute! He was saying the ether (dark energy) existed when it was discredited... but it was then proven in 1999 and is an accepted part of science today. I agree with the matter system, and consciousness will continue, but i dont agree that we will have knowledge of ourselves and our life as we know it. we'll just return to dark energy I think.

[StigmataBOB1]

When you say a prayer, and listen to the answer, You are a Medium.

[foundoutthat]

spudpeel I am going to have to agree with your nemesis nrmcewan1981 for shutting your mouth if you cleary admitted physics is not your field. This is truly astonishing emperical evidence and for someone like youself to question this is your right, but you don'y quite know this subject too well so please attend a science class first.

[ejdf870]

This guy is totally incoherent. I wish that he could articulate clearly and communicate his ideas.

[WilsonGuitar]

He seems pretty clear to me, this is a very hard topic to explain.

[SirTedFairyspear]

Difficult terminology; straightforward ideas.Basically, Pearson is saying that the "Ether" (the all-pervading medium of space-time) is structured like a neural network; hence it was able to slowly evolve into self-consciousness. It then created a matter-based universe and split itself into myriad fragments which inhabited material bodies to experience this matter-based universe. Interestingly this is exactly what near-death experiencers often describe e.g. the book "Backwards" by Nanci Danison.

[mikungfu]

@SirTedFairyspear: Not only that, as this is exactly what Daoists have been saying for centuries: The Tai Chi (grand ultimate), which bipolarizes into Yin and Yand to create all diversity from itself and within itself.

[SirTedFairyspear]

Thanks for that, Mikungfu. My knowledge of Eastern philosophies is sketchy, so it's fascinating to see another line of convergence here. Pearson seems to be re-stating a very, very ancient idea about reality - a deep ancestral memory, perhaps?

[orlando098]

@SirTedFairyspear

So is the Ether "God" then? Also this theory doesn't satisfactorially explain why there is supposedly a spirit world that we go to that is much like the physical one, as Michael Roll says. His theory seems more consistent with the idea we are just "absorbed back into God" which some people believe in

[SirTedFairyspear]

@orlando098

Is the Ether "God"? Don't know; but St Teresa of Avila once claimed that "God is on the Journey too" - i.e. God itself is evolving through the activities of its individuated fragments - us (& other sentient beings). Apropos the spirit world / absorption into God - some near-death experiencers claim that after journeying to the spirit world they ARE beginning to absorb back into God; implying that the spirit world is a virtual reality that helps ease our transition back to Source.

[orlando098]

@SirTedFairyspear

OK, thanks, but your interpretation of what the saint said doesn't sound very Catholic to me (the usual teaching is that God is eternal, the same now, yesterday and tomorrow, and that we are not "fragments" of God, but his creations). re the being absorbed into the source thing, it seems a bit like eastern mysticism and I think most westerners are not too keen on the idea. It sounds too much like annihilation, to lose all individuality

[ChristianMum]

In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth! lolxx

[indiasrainbow]

love the explanation of tuning into the various channels.

[nrmcewan1981]

the physical is not temp if there is life after death it in my opinion must be made of particles (afterlife) it must also have a location in our time and space it cant be made of nothing that is impossible my argument is not bases on spirit but on energy

it must be tangible. i can only agree with (qm)it has not proven mind is above matter yet but it is strongly linked to reality bhor said particles are half the intelligence and it interacts with something similar to human intelligence

[chucholetsm8one]

The Ether is know as the Force in Star wars.

[TheNatho1988]

@chucholetsm8one yeah it is i think we get theorys from things that exsist for us to think of them in the first place . except inventions like tv n what not

[Entropian2012]

@chucholetsm8one You might not be wrong there lol ^^

[nrmcewan1981]

i think its seems reasonable to ask a question regarding mind and brain we no very little of either at least with brain we have proof its exist as we can see it directly mind is more difficult but not impossible we cannot see gravity or the other three forces but we know they exist because of their effect on matter indeed these forces are made from matter(pw)mind can be found by using (qm effect) all seven stages of reality according to(qm)for want of a better word involve observationofsomesort

[nrmcewan1981]

spammed? what is logic? thats why we use mathematics re the tao of physics, physics has hit a brick wall using language. buddist use such examples of, if a tree falls in the wood and no one is around to hear it fall does it make a sound? this exposes in a simple way the limitations of language we can not trust such things. jon von neuman agreed with this hypothesis based on its mathematical value

[markman828]

the world is not as black and white as some people conceive

[shgiruss]

I read his book and he has done the math. Most people do not realize that most physicists have never done the math of Einstein theory of relativity. They are told to accept it as fact in college and build off of it. There are 3 flaws in Einsteins theory and Ron Pearson shows them and adds in his theory and the math works!!!

[AnduinX]

"There is no beyond. What U C is what U get. When yer' dead, yer' fukin' DEAD! =P"

WHY do you think this? Where is your proof? You tout this around like it's a fact but there's absolutely zero evidence that consciousness is a product of the brain.

[thetruthone]

O'RLY? Well, let's see what happens if we suddenly remove yours.

[AnduinX]

I'd die? I never said the brain was a pointless organ, I simply said there's no proof that it's the generator of consciousness. There's no proof that it is YOU the experiencer. It is just an assumption that 'YOU' must be physical and therefore 'YOU' must be in the brain, despite having no idea how the brain could generate consciousness.

[thetruthone]

The reason I agree with whoever it was that you quoted in regards to consciousness and personality (can we agree that your personality and thoughts make you who you are?) are directly affected by chemicals, experiences and any disturbance to the brain. I feel that it is reasonable to extrapolate that and make the claim that the brain is the center of who we are. I don't think it's anything else. I not trying to convince you however. W e can agree to disagree.

[orlando098]

@AnduinX

If the brain does not generate consciousness then where was it before we were born? And if we can have a great existence - even better than now - without the complications of a physical body, why do we bother at all?

[AnduinX]

@orlando098: It's an assumption that you did not exist before you were born. Most people do not remember their dreams after they wake up, but that does not mean they had no experience during that time. The absence of memory is not proof of non-existence. It's entirely possible that you might have existed before you were born and simply don't remember right now. I don't pretend to know why. Maybe we wanted to have a physical experience. Maybe we're not here by choice. Who knows.

[orlando098]

@AnduinX

OK, I quite like the anaolgy with not remembering dreams. I would like to think it was all true, but even so, I am doubtful. Do all living things go on eternally in your opinion? And as an identifiable individual with some kind of continuity, or just as some kind of impersonal "energy" that is passed on into some new form?

[AnduinX]

@orlando098: Well, I can give you a whole host of information that throws into question the materialist view that the brain is the epicenter of consciousness, but I don't think that I can prove anything about what lies beyond death itself that way. If you're asking for my opinion though, yes, I do suspect that we are eternal, but that opinion is based on intuition.

[AnduinX]

@orlando098: If you want a glimpse of what lies beyond your best bet is probably to look into NDE research, or to try to induce the OBE experience yourself by tricking your body to fall asleep while your mind remains awake. Look at 'luciddreamtricks' 's channel. He has plenty of videos on the subject.

[orlando098]

@AnduinX

OK, thanks. I have looked into it a bit before, and may again. However from what I have read before it seemed as though such experiences may just be lucid dreams. For example, no one appears able to go out of their body in the real physical world and go and invisibly check on something and bring back factual information they could not have known. If they could do this reliably it would be proof.

[iloveterriers]

I have seen ghosts many times and I work in the mental health field -- I have no mental issues. They do exist.

[Agui007]

Can you see ultra-violet light with your eyes??? It exists but we don't see it. So why bother commenting. That is a very small minded ignorant view.We are talking about a reality beyond our senses. The very TV, mobile, radio waves you recieve are there but you too don't see them. LEARN PHYSICS!!

[AnduinX]

So you shift the conversation away from what you said and fall back on your ridiculous challenge. I doubt anybody here considers themselves psychic, why would you post a challenge like this in a low-populated youtube video?

[AnduinX]

I don't know any psychics, and I can't pull one out of my ass, but you dodged the question. How do you know the mind is created by the brain?

[k0smon]

Anduinx: That is backward. The mind creates the brain. The spirit part is permanent and real, and the physical is temporary and dies after a short length of time

[AnduinX]

I agree :P

My question was posed to a guy who seemed convinced of the opposite. I was challenging him, though his comments seem to be removed (they should have been, the guy had no logic to his argument and spammed the hell out of this video)

[AnduinX]

I'd wager I understand quantum physics far better than you do, I've been learning for years. Nobody understand quantum physics entirely or there would be mystery or reason to create the large hadron collider. You didn't answer my question, instead you just restated your opinion again. How does the brain generate consciousness? How does inanimate matter become conscious in the first place?

[AnduinX]

"Quantum Mechanics is a grab bag of ridiculous nonsense 2 keep professors in business."

How can you speak of observable evidence when you ignore quantum physics and dismiss it at all as a bunch of physicists trying to keep their jobs? There is no observable evidence in the world you would accept because you ignore everything that doesn't fit into your world view, even something as large as quantum physics. I'll let your stupid statements speak for themselves.

[AnduinX]

Your comment has nothing to do with what I just said with regards to there had to be a beginning. Nice dodge - NOT.

[AnduinX]

You're so simplistic it's humorous. Tell me oh wise one, how do you *KNOW* that we rot in the ground after we die? Explain how the brain generates consciousness. Unless you understand the mechanism that gives rise to consciousness you CANNOT possibly know that consciousness is simply a production of the brain. So, GTFO troll.

[AnduinX]

Somethings you simply have to experience for yourself. If a medium can demonstrate they have knowledge only you and the dead person would know, then they're genuine, if they can't, then they're not. The knowledge has to be something that's not deducible. It's that simple. It's logical to doubt these things when somebody else claims they're true because there's always the possibility that they're lying - but you can't claim all of them are liars unless you've personally visited all of them.

[AnduinX]

I'm not going to waste my time with somebody who is too stupid to understand quantum physics. You can't deny quantum physics, it's like denying the Earth is round. This is not a theory, it's quantum fact. We can observe these things as clearly as we can observe the moon.

Also, there's no proof that when you're dead you cease to exist. The fact that you're certain you cease to be after you die proves you're a close-minded idiot. You lose. Good day sir.

[AnduinX]

The behavior of particles has been proven time and time again, all of the things nrmcewan1981 said are truth. In the double slit experiment it was proven particles can change their behavior in the present based on an event yet to happen in the future, it was also proven that particles travel as a wave, in multiple places until they interact with something. Particles pop in and out of existence all the time. Just because we don't understand it doesn't mean they're making it all up...

[nrmcewan1981]

not my discovery read rodger penrose ive already won this argument by default im sorry but you have no knowledge of this subject it pointless continuing sorry for wasting your time your laungage dosnt help so i wont post any more in regards to your responses

[nrmcewan1981]

We don't know if our perceptions accurately portray the external world At its base, the universe follows the seemingly bizarre and paradoxical laws of quantum mechanics with particles being in multiple places simultaneously connected over distance, and with time not existing. But the "classical" world we perceive is definite with a flow of time. The boundary or edge quantum state reduction, or collapse of the wave function between the quantum and classical worlds somehow involves consciousness.

[nrmcewan1981]

those who havnt been shocked by quantum physics havnt understood it - niels bhor. i understand wot a shock it can be to a system reading wot ive wrote about wave functions and physics but the universe isnt wot we want it to be it is wot it is particles do not obey our laws as we expect them to they are mysterius they talk to each other almost as if they are intelegent themselves read prof brian josephson his website current head of the cavendish lab cambaridge uni

[AnduinX]

There had to be a beginning, because if the universe always existed, that would mean there was an infinite amount of time before this moment, and thus, we never would have reached this moment. A beginning is the one thing skeptics (the big bang), and creationists (god) come together on. I think it's you who is "fukin stupid" SurDewdalot.

[nrmcewan1981]

couldnt have said it better were actually on the same page on this one nowledge filtering

i believe wholeheartidly that physics has a corporate policy as do other subjects money money money

[nrmcewan1981]

man you started it i take it i answered all your questions people do lie they also feel more comfortable in their bubble one day yours will burst more to this life than meets the eye

[nrmcewan1981]

it does answer several questions we know in physics that matter is created by a messurement that collapses the wave funtion which is were particles come into the equasion this is accepted standard physics im talking about bhor hiesinberg look them up nobel laurettes who did an experiment called the double split there findings were limited to one possibility intellegence similar or actually human mind collapses that wave system look it up im not trying to be rude if it comes across that way

[nrmcewan1981]

its funny you mention networking to be on top of software in pearson theory his mathematic say the universe is permiated by a neural like network called the ither it works just like a sort of cosmic brain which is created by a more elementry particle and anti particle coliding together as we observe our matter systems to be doing basically we are all connected to the network as this is were mind actually exsist and it tunes in to quantum frequences waves particles are such. wish i had more space

[nrmcewan1981]

ty for such coments very well thought out i will look at neurology sounds interesting evoloution on the other hand there no evidence the time line is wrong,no fossil evidence dna evidence is thin on the ground. it also worries me court judgement have stopped alternative theory bieng tought to student at universities to say the least thats worrying all i want is freedom of opinion and speech

[nrmcewan1981]

i will do ty have read book were brain surgeons talk about there expierences of outer body expierence some for some against my arguement was more to do with matter on a particle level of matter, the neurological signal are made of particles everything is so they also come under the catogory of mater which is inert and need to be told what to do i asume that neurolgy says it works by dualism but that mean 2 inert systems acting intellegently and notinert so if that true we need to scrap physics

[nrmcewan1981]

its a very simplistic view is another life anymore bizarre than this one imagine trying to explain the world and all the things in it to a unborn baby if it could understand wot your saying it would probaby tell you to get real that stuff dosnt exist but we know it does maybe a poor simaly by the way read the age of reason it takes the bible apart for what its fiction im not religous i dont even believe in god or ufos

[nrmcewan1981]

the mediums im talking about take no money for there services and seek no publicity explain that. its not all about money you clearly didnt know that

[nrmcewan1981]

i want you to answer this question its a scientific one if you can i will concede the point but if matter is inert and it is how, can the brain as a matter system control any action it seems strange to me how inert matter can create mind surly it makes more sense that the mind tells the brain what to do its like a computer it has hardware but its the software that controls what the hardware does this is a scientific statement again i wish i had more space to get my point across

[nrmcewan1981]

there is ample scientif evidence to show mediumship has taken place without fraud i find it quite strange why you argue a point you are no more sure about than the science itself you have shown a simplicity of mind the kind that constantly has held the human race and great people back "Great spirits have always encountered violent oppostion from mediocre minds." ablert einstien

[nrmcewan1981]

im sorry grow a brain im retarded your a fool read what ive wrote on here this is science a theoretical theory that has been published. by telling me this is not true i asume you have undenyable prove i think your out of your depth on this one

[nrmcewan1981]

what? you said if there was an afterlife then houdinni would contact us well stone me he did it was a coded message he gave it to the medium who then gave it to the other person who set up the code with houdinni transaction complete this is what you asked for are you following this were did insane come from i never said posessed you are clearly not armed with the facts or the brain power to follow thru on your argument

[shgiruss]

Sirdumbalot said:Non-surviv has been proven a zillion times. Don't U think someone would off our leaders if they could come back after death? Come on!> Obviously you haven't read much in life except sports magazines. Non survival has NOT been proven, out of the zillion times can you name just one? The latest theories of the God gene and the God delusion and more have all been "Debunked" by the book "The spiritual Brain" but it does require you to read it and then understand it sirdumbalot.

[nrmcewan1981]

the houdinni code was cracked by american medium henry ford and delivered in full to his wife who was the only other person who knew the secret word she told that story herself

[shgiruss]

spudpeel, you said nobody has proven survival, but materialists have NOT proven non survival either. Second, I read his book and some of those nonsensical arguments he refers to are discussed in the book. Read his book and then you may be more qualified to comment. Creation Solved? By Ron Pearson. Also many materialists theories such as God delusion, God gene etc are disproved in the Book "The Spritual Brain"

[nrmcewan1981]

all i want is for the theory to be tested experimently that we we can prove its right or not what worries me is that its a published theory that has merit in its own right but nobody wants to do the experiment that would prove or disprove it science has a responsibility to investigate such matters when ever possible we cant just pick and choose theorys that are comfy to our believe systems this theory has the right to be proven or disproven or why have science at all?

[nrmcewan1981]

well spudpeel i hope you understand were im coming from if not then fair enough again apologies for my spelling i am dislesic but i didnt mean to call you an idiot if only more people were like yourself at least you are questioning these issues for the most part people just have apathy towards it

[nrmcewan1981]

alot of the evidence to back pearsons theory is missing from this video for example the experiment that william crookes charles richet von knotzing and glenn hamilton did at the turn of the century which seemingly prove survival of the human mind post mortem in one experiment a finger prints were taking from a spirit meterialisation under experimental conditions and compared with the dead physical body they were a perfect match

[nrmcewan1981]

sorry the 1900s not this century

[spudpeel]

Theres another thing, just because he believes explanations for quantum to be non-sensical it doesnt mean they're not true. There's tons of evidence for it so whether or not you can make sense of it is irrelevant.

[nrmcewan1981]

your intitled to your opinion as am i but open your mind up a little i belive the argument is not weather there is a soul i find the word soul more of a religous term the argument is better described as is your mind created by your brain or does mind dictate what your brain does sorry the puntuation isnt good i need more space to write what i want to say its like writing a txt message

[spudpeel]

His physics has supposedly discovered the 'ether' but that has no bearing on whether there is life after death. To even consider such a thing is absurd, considering there is no evidence to suggest the existence of a soul, especially a way of mathematically proving it.

[nrmcewan1981]

appollogies for implying your were an idiot i didnt mean that but it just goes to prove how limited launguge really is pearson is trying to explain a mathematical theory in words so much is lost in the translation especially if you dont have a good understanding of physics thats the point i should have made i wish i had more space to be more detailed the arguement is one of physics not human reasoning

[shgiruss]

You should read his book Creation Solved? By Ron pearson. I did and you'll soon realize that there are very few professsors or students that did the math of relativity. Many colleges skim the theory of Einstein and move on to build off of it. Ron pearson re-did the math and in his book points out the flaws. Its worth reading if you are seriously interested whether or not we survive death.

This crazy man as some say will be proven correct as time goes on.

[spudpeel]

So he's made proof of something by first assuming that something non-existent is existent. Thats ridiculous.

[nrmcewan1981]

this theory is peer reviewed and published by physicist if you have to disagree with this theory you need to have justifyable critique of pearson mathematics if not then its probably wise to keep quite on something u clearly dont understand best to keep quiet and be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and confirm it actually relitivity is reliant on assumptions that are still not proven space warps for example i wont even get started on missing matter (dark matter)

[spudpeel]

Look, physics is not my field I admit, but I watch these videos to be educated. I dont see why me questioning anything makes me an idiot.

If you're going to make a personal attack then maybe I should too; you clearly don't understand punctuation. Best to keep quiet rather than write comments proving you're an idiot. Me saying that is no more correct than you calling me an idiot.

[nrmcewan1981]

yes your right i dont think your an idiot i was trying to make a point and i admire the fact you want to be educated im dislesic i cant spell properly the point i was making was and i should have made it better that in physics everything is mathematical it may sound crazy but mathimatically it makes sense for example a wave is a particle and a particle is a wave human logic cant understand how one thing can be both but its proven mathematically

[myzteron]

and james randi sucks dogs dicks for cash...allegedly!

[myzteron]

this guy is full of shit. the thought in your mind is trans dimensional your soul is trans dimensional. hyper dimensional physics is the vehicle of your soul. dont listen to this fool hes not got a clue, your mind contains super conducting elements that are the conduit of thought through which you are connected to your higher non physical self. you think you are you are you think i am you are i think you are i am i am we are both the exact same thing experiencing each other eternally from t-here

[vagitoe]

Are you a scientologist?

[myzteron]

Most definitely not im an entheonaut...

[nrmcewan1981]

thats not what pearson is saying my friend you have misunderstood you are making a distiction between what is physical and what is not pearson is saying that the system that creates matter exst on a wave funtion plancs contstant wave particle duality bows einstien infact the only thing that is real is the observation bhor heisinberg double split experiment this reality apears real to us and so will the next one its actually standard physics read prof henry stapp for example

[Daharen]

James Randi has had a paranormal challenge with a million dollar prize out for more then a decade. No one has been able to experimentally display supernatural abilities. The fact he even acknowledges anything paranormal instantly discredits his scientific theories. Further he didn't explain how they managed to figure out the physical structure of the supposed ether to determine it was similar to the brains nueral network, sounds like another unaffirmed theory.

[nrmcewan1981]

james randys challenge is not a legalaly binding contract it is also up to randy himself what constitutes proof not scientist which im sure we can all agree is unfair also there is great doubt as to wather that million pounds acctually exsists i make you a deal ill give u a billion pounds if you can proof blue is actually blue but ill decide weather your right if i decide your wrong no billion pounds deal or no deal

[Searle8]

Ron Pearsons ideas are fine as far as they go. However, there is a much more advanced system of understanding which offers for the first time a means to show how psychic, and spiritual energies can be measured, and "quantified" to a certain extent. It is my research, and development project of Multi-Dimensional Science, or rather Hypothesis (See Kheper essay on the net)

I have also corresponded with Ron Pearson on this via email.

Robert Searle.

[jauntyjay]

Amazing truths in this!