I like how in the series Picard was the one advocating the relocation of a native american society off of a planet that was handed to cardassia but he's all of a sudden against it when he has a Celine Dion look alike love interest. See Redlettermedia's review of insurrection.
there were two parts in this movie that stood out above all else, and made it worth seeing... this one, Picard's "How Many People Does It Take" speech... and another, almost unremarkable scene... which i found both powerful and touching... it's the part where he and Anij are sitting in a clearing, and she slows down time and perception... there was something in that scene that continues to resonate...
@LtSurge659 It was because those Indians were Federation citizens that made moving them legal and why Picard followed orders. The Prime Directive doesn't apply to Federation citizens. However the Ba'ku aren't Fed citizens so moving them is illegal and why Picard felt the need to rebel against Starfleet.
The funny thing is that they never actually asked the Baku. If they just told the Baku that the radiation from the planet could potentially save billions of lives, they probably would have agreed.
Also, the Baku forced the Son'a off the planet so they're not exactly innocent either.
@KingOfMadCows The children rebelled against the parents and left because they wouldn't conform. The Sona used the Federation's diminishing power and influence to exact revenge on their parents by selling Adm. Dougherty and the rest of the Federation that they have the technology to collect all the particles which would save the Federation politically but it would leave the planet uninhabitable.
This is where the speech becomes as important as Picard's Moby Dick speech from First Contact.
@avatfa But why did the Son'a leave the planet? They knew that the planet gave them eternal life, why give that up? The Baku don't use advanced technology so the Son'a could have just moved to another continent.
As for the Federation needing the particles, it wasn't just a matter of politics, they were fighting a losing war against a genocidal enemy. In fact, the movie began with Picard trying to get a barely warp capable species to join the Federation and help fight the Dominion.
@KingOfMadCows yeah, what a joke... one little village on a planet... why not send old and sick people for a vacation on the other side of the planet for some weeks... the Baku wouldn't even notice...
@KingOfMadCows Exactly how socialisim works. "You have something we all need so we are taking it from you to benifit the people" AKA the state. After all nowadays the need for something equals a right to something which supeceeds someones right to posess it.
@supressorgrid Except A. It was a Federation planet so the Baku are the trespassers. B. The Son'a have equal claim over the planet. In fact, it was the Baku who did what you said by forcing the Son'a out and hogging the entire planet for themselves. C. By what authority do the Baku have claim over the entire planet, and the life giving radiation around the planet? D. This was during wartime, moving that village could have saved countless billions.
@KingOfMadCows I think when they banished their own kids, that was their answer right there. And if the movie would have expounded any more on that, the whole "good guy/bad guy" dichotomy would have been compromised, just like you noticed. ;)
How many people does it take admiral, before it becomes wrong? hmm? 1000? 50,000? 1,000,000? HOW MANY PEOPLE DOES IT TAKE ADMIRAL?!
The answer: 1. Just 1.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged.
Stupid when you consider they could've moved the 600 people to the other side of the planet while they used the other side to help cure soldiers who were injured during the dominion war
@philyburkhill1 Just to nerd rant at you for no reason, the sonar needed to destroy the planets rings to fully absorb the radiation which in turn would irradiate the planet and kill all life on it, the sonar would be dead if they settled on it as the healing effect takes time the sonar needed a faster solution.. but the federation and the sonar seem to forget that no-one should be allowed to live forever.. also *SPOILERS* the sonar are the children of the baku and wanted to kill there parents..
@foreverbrotherinarms the baku were being completely unreasonable about it, which forced the so'na's hand to try survive. what they did wasn't with federation approval (trying to siphon the energy and destroy the world).
though that's just bad writing on the part of the writing team.
@CynicalVision If you're referring to 'Journey's End', Picard had DEEP reservations on carrying out his orders. He tried more than once to appeal the decision to his Admiral. In the end, he achieved an accord with the Cardassian settlers to allow the natives to keep their newfound home.
Always felt Insurrection was the most underrated of the movies. Some people would argue that The Undiscovered Country is moreso, and while i do feel TUC is probably the most "Star Trek" of the Star Trek movies, I've never seen it get as much hate as Insurrection gets.
Some people say Insurrection was just a 2 hour long episode of TNG. That might be true, but I thought it was a really good 2 hour TNG episode.
I like how in the series Picard was the one advocating the relocation of a native american society off of a planet that was handed to cardassia but he's all of a sudden against it when he has a Celine Dion look alike love interest. See Redlettermedia's review of insurrection.
Chessbama 4 days ago
I watch the movie, and it was not as bad as some people say...
NonstopRam 1 week ago
there were two parts in this movie that stood out above all else, and made it worth seeing... this one, Picard's "How Many People Does It Take" speech... and another, almost unremarkable scene... which i found both powerful and touching... it's the part where he and Anij are sitting in a clearing, and she slows down time and perception... there was something in that scene that continues to resonate...
thx for putting this up...
--Mike
RedOcktober 1 month ago 4
Thanks! @RedOcktober I agree and will try to make that my next project as long as it comes out well.
avatfa 1 month ago
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop, Admiral? 1 Million? Hmmmm? ONE HUNDRED BILLION LICKS?
xirex7 1 month ago
@xirex7 3
nognilk 4 weeks ago
....No?
Geshien 1 month ago
You guys need to watch "Journey's End". And if you still trust this Picard after that, well, don't know what to tell you.
Admiral Daugherty gave a DIRECT ORDER from the Federation Council to move the Baku. When the circumstances were legally identical in Journey's End.
The Indians also had more rights than the Baku, because they were Federation citizens.
Now he wants to defy his orders to save white people.
LtSurge659 2 months ago
@LtSurge659 It was because those Indians were Federation citizens that made moving them legal and why Picard followed orders. The Prime Directive doesn't apply to Federation citizens. However the Ba'ku aren't Fed citizens so moving them is illegal and why Picard felt the need to rebel against Starfleet.
SSJZTrunks91 1 month ago
horrible movie
shawnmeboy 3 months ago
What a whiny PC series. Oh, I can't help but enjoy it, but it can so get on your nerves at times.
TiminPhoenix 3 months ago
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jbahadur10 3 months ago
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jbahadur10 3 months ago
The funny thing is that they never actually asked the Baku. If they just told the Baku that the radiation from the planet could potentially save billions of lives, they probably would have agreed.
Also, the Baku forced the Son'a off the planet so they're not exactly innocent either.
KingOfMadCows 3 months ago 7
@KingOfMadCows The children rebelled against the parents and left because they wouldn't conform. The Sona used the Federation's diminishing power and influence to exact revenge on their parents by selling Adm. Dougherty and the rest of the Federation that they have the technology to collect all the particles which would save the Federation politically but it would leave the planet uninhabitable.
This is where the speech becomes as important as Picard's Moby Dick speech from First Contact.
avatfa 3 months ago 2
@avatfa But why did the Son'a leave the planet? They knew that the planet gave them eternal life, why give that up? The Baku don't use advanced technology so the Son'a could have just moved to another continent.
As for the Federation needing the particles, it wasn't just a matter of politics, they were fighting a losing war against a genocidal enemy. In fact, the movie began with Picard trying to get a barely warp capable species to join the Federation and help fight the Dominion.
KingOfMadCows 3 months ago
@KingOfMadCows yeah, what a joke... one little village on a planet... why not send old and sick people for a vacation on the other side of the planet for some weeks... the Baku wouldn't even notice...
chreberle 2 months ago
@KingOfMadCows Exactly how socialisim works. "You have something we all need so we are taking it from you to benifit the people" AKA the state. After all nowadays the need for something equals a right to something which supeceeds someones right to posess it.
supressorgrid 2 months ago
@supressorgrid Except A. It was a Federation planet so the Baku are the trespassers. B. The Son'a have equal claim over the planet. In fact, it was the Baku who did what you said by forcing the Son'a out and hogging the entire planet for themselves. C. By what authority do the Baku have claim over the entire planet, and the life giving radiation around the planet? D. This was during wartime, moving that village could have saved countless billions.
KingOfMadCows 2 months ago
@KingOfMadCows I think when they banished their own kids, that was their answer right there. And if the movie would have expounded any more on that, the whole "good guy/bad guy" dichotomy would have been compromised, just like you noticed. ;)
l337pwnage 1 month ago
How many people does it take admiral, before it becomes wrong? hmm? 1000? 50,000? 1,000,000? HOW MANY PEOPLE DOES IT TAKE ADMIRAL?!
The answer: 1. Just 1.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged.
And now, for the fun of it...
HOW MANY PEOPLE DOES IT TAKE ADMIRAL?!!!
babylon218 3 months ago 16
@babylon218 yes... well said... well said...
--Mike Hense - Searching For Rule Of Law in America
RedOcktober 1 month ago
@babylon218 Someone likes Picard's civil rights speeches!
Tahkaullus01 1 month ago
The answer: 898
TheRhinehart86 3 months ago
Stupid when you consider they could've moved the 600 people to the other side of the planet while they used the other side to help cure soldiers who were injured during the dominion war
Dumb film
philyburkhill1 4 months ago
@philyburkhill1 Just to nerd rant at you for no reason, the sonar needed to destroy the planets rings to fully absorb the radiation which in turn would irradiate the planet and kill all life on it, the sonar would be dead if they settled on it as the healing effect takes time the sonar needed a faster solution.. but the federation and the sonar seem to forget that no-one should be allowed to live forever.. also *SPOILERS* the sonar are the children of the baku and wanted to kill there parents..
foreverbrotherinarms 3 months ago
@foreverbrotherinarms the baku were being completely unreasonable about it, which forced the so'na's hand to try survive. what they did wasn't with federation approval (trying to siphon the energy and destroy the world).
though that's just bad writing on the part of the writing team.
philyburkhill1 3 months ago
Funny, he had no problem in the TNG episode where he had to move those native Indians.
Movie Picard and TV Picard were two different people sometimes.
CynicalVision 4 months ago
@CynicalVision If you're referring to 'Journey's End', Picard had DEEP reservations on carrying out his orders. He tried more than once to appeal the decision to his Admiral. In the end, he achieved an accord with the Cardassian settlers to allow the natives to keep their newfound home.
rizzybearmoses 3 months ago
How many people does it take?
Hmmmm.... how about.....*pinkie* ONE MILLLILILILION
supersonicbros23 5 months ago
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Star Trek V: The Final Frontier was the worst, even worse than Nemesis and that's saying a lot!
BTW, Insurrection had the best soundtrack of all the movies.
avatfa 6 months ago
@avatfa
Respectfully, I must disagree.
First Contact and the 2009 movie had the bets soundtracks.
Although fro a sing-a-long, Insurrections "A British Tar" is amazing.
HarakMolova 5 months ago
Always felt Insurrection was the most underrated of the movies. Some people would argue that The Undiscovered Country is moreso, and while i do feel TUC is probably the most "Star Trek" of the Star Trek movies, I've never seen it get as much hate as Insurrection gets.
Some people say Insurrection was just a 2 hour long episode of TNG. That might be true, but I thought it was a really good 2 hour TNG episode.
starlinej 6 months ago 14
Picards uniform is to big for him.
voyager16 7 months ago
Patrick stewart is an amazing actor
especially in this scene
benji1701 7 months ago
the movies suck
CambridgeHeights 8 months ago
@albanegreyshank I only wanted Picard's question to be asked but needed some context which is why I included Dougherty's statement.
Moral relativism cuts both ways.
avatfa 9 months ago
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koolwalla 9 months ago 2