Open Immigration Policy 1 - Ayn Rand Center for Individual Rights

[vonGleichenT]

Protection of individual rights...

[whothehellgivesadamn]

SAY TROLLS.........THIS IS A VIDEO THAT PERTAINS TO ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL ISSUES...IT'S NOT FOR LAME TROLL CUNTS LIKE YOU TO JUST BLATHER CRAP, I ALREADY KNOW YOU'RE SCUM

IN OTHER WORDS.......YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT....AND YOU'RE LAME TROLLS.

SAY DUMBFUCKS:

1. SPELL OUT THE FEDERAL BUDGET THAT YOU ARE ADVOCATING

2. SPELL OUT THE DEBT TO GDP RATIO THAT YOU ARE ADVOCATING

3. PROVIDE A BREAK DOWN OF THAT BUDGET

4. EXPLAIN YOUR REVENUE COLLECTION SCHEME

5. OR JUST ADMIT YOU'RE A LAME TROLL

[azrial4421]

I dont mind beaners coming here, as long as we do away with wel fare and all the other benefits people get for doing nothing. /Atleast the beaners work.

[whothehellgivesadamn]

@azrial4421 NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK....YOU'RE NOTHING BUT SCUM POSTING GARBAGE ON YOUTUBE AND YOU'RE PROBABLY AN ILLEGAL YOURSELF....IF WE DON'T PROTECT OUR COUNTRY AND OUR LIBERTIES THEN WE'LL JUST TURN INTO A THIRD WORLD SHIT HOLE, LIKE THE PLACE YOU CAME FROM.

[azrial4421]

@whothehellgivesadamn Im a white american suck my balls, N you obviously care what I think, its why your whining at me like a loose whore

[whothehellgivesadamn]

THIS IS FUCKED FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS:

1. HE HAS NO GRASP OF THE CONCEPT OF ECONOMIC, POLITICAL, ECOLOGICAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL LIMITS AND TOLERANCES.......

2. THIS IS WHY IMMIGRATION LAWS WERE DEVELOPED TO MAINTAIN A STABLE ECONOMY.

3. OTHERWISE IMMIGRANTS CAN JUST WALK RIGHT IN AND VOTE OUR COUNTRY INTO SOCIALISM TOMARROW.

4. HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THIS, AND HENCE HE'S NOT VERY SOPHISTICATED.

5. IM A MUCH MORE SOPHISTICATED LIBERTARIAN THEN HE IS........BOTTOM LINE.......

[valuesone]

@whothehellgivesadamn

1.The claim of an economic ceiling is a joke, people who posit this always neglect the fundamental resource on which all value depends, the mind.

2. Immigration laws do not maintain a stable economy.

3. Because all immigrants are socialist? The speaker was an immigrant, is now a citizen and is a radical for capitalism.

4. There are no reasons to base an understanding on what you're claiming.

5. He is not a sophisticated Libertarian. He's a free market capitalist.

[whothehellgivesadamn]

@valuesone FAIL: WRONG ANSWER ASSWIPE:

1.YOU DON'T KNOW DOGSHIT ABOUT ECONOMICS, IF YOU DO SITE FOR ME THE TOTAL CASH RESOURCES THAT MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS HAVE BROUGHT TO THE USA, VS THE AMOUNT THEY HAVE SUCKED OFF THE USA THROUGH VARIOUS WELFARE PROGRAMS, RAPE, ROBBERY, MURDER, ETC.

2.LAW ARE ESTABLISHED TO RESTRAIN BRAINLESS SCUMBAGS LIKE YOUR....DUHH.

3. MOST IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT LIBERTARIANS, IF YOU THINK THEY ARE, SIGHT ME YOUR SOURCES.

4. YOU'RE A TROLL

5. IM VERY SOPHISTICATED, YOU'RE NOTHING.

[roboticsynapse]

@whothehellgivesadamn All of those insults and nothing to contribute, my how sophisticated.

[whothehellgivesadamn]

@roboticsynapse WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU SHIT DRINKING FUCKHOLE...IF WE DON'T MAINTAIN IMMIGRATION CONTROL....THIRD WORLD SOCIALISTS, COME IN AND VOTE OUR LIBERTIES RIGHT OUT OF EXISTENCE YOU DUMBFUCK...LOOK AT CALIFORNIA...ITS TURNING INTO A SHIT HOLE...GO WATCH THE YOUTUBE CHANNELS..... NUMBERSUSA AND DERAILAMNESTYDOTCOM.....GO LEARN SOMETHING BEFORE YOU COME ON TO YOUTUBE AND POST YOUR SHIT DRINKING HORSESHIT...THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO HELL THANKS TO SCUM LIKE YOU.

[roboticsynapse]

@whothehellgivesadamn  I am speechless. Thank you for that nonsensical rant; I am enlightened by your incompetence.

[Myredeemeriscoming]

Thy need to stand up and fight for liberty in mexico. We hardly have enough jobs for us.they want to live here for what our forefhers fought for. they need o stay and fix their country. Maybe america couldhelp them with that instead. He just wants cheap help.

[himostenes]

I was very please to see some explication so easy about how stupid can it look trying to stop free market, liberty as life will found its way or will die trying to improve, I really feel sorry for the people that still dont get how liberty works

[xian33xian]

(1of3) Damn character limits!!!

Assimilation - some consider this to be an awfully dirty word. But hey, when bright minds arrived in Galt's Gulch, all were required to take an oath: "I swear, by my life and my love of it..." - publicly affirming that they have broken the shackles of one social contract to embrace a new one... an assimilation into freedom... so really, is an oath to the Constitution too much to ask of people who wish to become citizens of our nation?

[ToxicOdiousOne]

Ayn Rand wanted amnesty for illegals? So she would opppse the Arizona law? What about national security? What about national soverignty? Why let Mexico, the UN, or illegals determine our border security? We must enforce our laws and our border.

[LibertarianRealist]

@ToxicOdiousOne Indeed. Leonard Peikoff recently came out in favor of the Arizona law. Open immigration is for an ideal world. In the meantime, we ought not be compelled to commit national suicide and surrender the West to the Third World and the Islamists.

[JohananRaatz]

How to achieve Objectivist results in foreign policy: /watch?v=tHGHT1BQNu4

[Aristotle1905]

Yaron understands the world far better than all of you; if you actually study the philosophy of Objectivism, you'll find that open borders are a great ASSET to a laissez faire capitalist society. Since there would BE NO welfare state and NO sacrifice of or by anyone, people would enter the U.S. to WORK and make a better lives for themselves and their families, which benefits ALL. There are NO contradictions here. So to vaccar37, jrswhite7751 et. al, you DON'T know what you're talking about!

[FlamingTide]

@Aristotle1905 Very good response. I agree completly

[stephleom]

@Aristotle1905 But conservatives cant imagine a Laissez-Faire capitalist system working because they are social-democrats. Dont try to argue with them, just let them live in their little dream world, reality will eventually bite back

[Aristotle1905]

@stephleom True, they are just as clueless as the Left. For example, both sides demonize "Big Business", forgetting that it is "Big Business" that provides millions of jobs and thousands of innovations that we would not otherwise have. They shackle businesses with regulations that strangle productivity. Abolish the welfare state and leave businesses free to produce, and a flood of new immigrants (workers) would be no problem at all!

[vaccar37]

Open borders will lead to racial warfare. That guy doesn't understand how the world works.

[mofodante89]

Open borders doesnt work with a capitalist economy. Its fair to assume his opinion is being stated using a laissez faire economy as the model. Ayn Rand's theory was based on a laissez faire economy, which we don't live in.

[jrswhite7751]

..very disingenuous. These ideas would be great if he was advocating them before the creation of the Welfare State but instead his ideas would bankrupt our system. Imagine the hordes who would come here for our social programs, imagine the parents they would bring who would instantly be eligible for Social Security without paying a dime, imagine the cost of healthcare and schools which are heavily govt. subsidized. Typical senseless shit coming from an abstractionist

[rubikskub1983]

If I were to ask this guy a question I would ask him if Israel should have a open immigration policy. My guess is his principles would go out off the window.

[lashkaretoiba]

Only one problem. There are laws. If he wants to hire Immigrants he better make sure to make them legal citizens first. Or he could always move his franchise overseas and hire that way. However, if this guy thinks open boarders is the policy of the constution he's sadly mistaken because by law sovereignty still exists.

[Philosopher2087]

He speaks truth!

[biggsy182]

This cretin conflates "violence" with "force", as though there were no other way to coerce.

[Arjozof]

like what? blackmail? blackmail is completely ok in a free society. you do not own others' minds or opinions.

[afghanhunter221]

this guy is a nutt job, he is accused of raping a teenage girl in chicago.

[freestatereport]

are you have proof to backup your claim right? Those are serious accusations.

[xTjPx]

great video series!

thank you.

[xxdiogenescynicxx]

Maybe we should tell this Israeli that they should have unlimited immigration of arabs into Israel.

[Visfen]

They should. The walls create the problems, no their race.

[Entropy56]

Hey Sweden, you go first. We'll watch.

[natdavi]

I think a lot of those Arabs would fall into one or two of the three categorized he said should be barred for the same reason you brought it.

[Arjozof]

immigration only applies to rational persons.

[uncleavi2002]

The Arabs can move to Dearborn Michigan.

[xxdiogenescynicxx]

lol what?

[xxdiogenescynicxx]

This is nonsense, demographics do matter and so does cultural, if you don't have a culturally homogenous society your country will fall apart into balkanization. This is absolute nonsense!!!!!

[jortylbro]

Just wondering, where exactly do your individual rights come from? God? The state? Some intellectual? The majority?

The whole idea of individual rights not being some social construct is absurdity. Where do egoists honestly think they derive all their ideas, opinions and thoughts from if not through interactions with others?

There is no such thing as a dichotomy between the individual and society. Your body may be a distinct entity but your mind is not.

[MishuTaste]

Do we have a right to refuse to do business w/ someone because of his race?

[Xanafax]

Yes. You have a right to do whatever you want. But consider the implications of it getting out you didn't do business with Blacks, Whites, Asians etc...very damaging.

[1krisy]

Believe me, some people wouldn't care. They are still living in the 19th Century.

[buffduff18]

If a government's role should merely be to protect individuals rights and Ayn Rand's philosophy suggests that no obligation can be forced onto an individual how does that government get funded? Any comments are appreciated.

[rambo26]

It could ultimately be funded by voluntary donations, perhaps a government lottery, contract insurance payments etc

[rubikskub1983]

@rambo26 Are you suggesting that for instance a poor girl being raped should have to pay for legal aid and that if she didn´t have the money to pay for the persecution of the rapist he should walk free? What happend to the idea of rule of law and everyones equal right to justice?

[rambo26]

@rubikskub1983 By the time 100% voluntary taxation is implemented, there would be no problem in prosecuting rapists. A violator of rights like that would not be allowed to go free.

[Scoforever]

User fees.

[MishuTaste]

I agree with this too. I recently paid a fee to visit a national park. And I spend $100 a year to register my car.

[rubikskub1983]

@Scoforever User fees? Are you suggesting that the us of a government service such as a court should be financed by the user of that service? Thats seems to be what you are suggesting. Only a moron would say fees should pay for the justice system. You been robbed? Sorry, can´t help you if your not able to pay the prosecutor and the judge a fee for taking on your case. Fucking nutjobs!

[MishuTaste]

I don't know what the Ayn Rand philosophy is regarding government funding. I think governments should be funded by sales taxes. That way, those that can afford to spend a lot of money will provide most of the funding. Governments need money for operating expenses, but I don't want to pay any income or property taxes.

[Xanafax]

Two words: Voluntary Taxation.

[buffduff18]

Two problems- first off, if taxes are voluntary it's going to be extremely hard to predict how much money the government would have to work with and thus make it very hard to do a budget. The 2nd problem with that is what if there are not enough voluntary donations to sustain the government services? What would that back-up plan be?

[sbds1122]

I'm a staunch libertarian but i think we need immigration and naturalization laws...

[rebelionel]

I generally agree with Dr. Brook's statements, and it raises a question to me about what an 'American citizen' is, in fact. It would seem to follow that an American citizen is anyone legally inside the borders if they were allowed by the border agents, as Dr. Brook stated. You couldn't put a requirement, such as having a physical address or any sort of license, upon being a citizen because that would imply the government need not protect their rights within the border. Anyone else have thoughts?

[stephenjay375]

its absurd just like any principle applied in the extreme. If the gov stayed out of immigration control millions of refugees, criminals from other countries could flood the streets,. Is that protecting my right to walk down the street without being assaulted by beggars, thieves and diseased ridden people other countries tossed out? Please get a grip, look objectively at all possibilities of an assertion before you speak publicly. 3rd graders speak more intelligently off the top of their head.

[Lagwagon555]

Your argument is absurdist. Saying that you have a right not to be assaulted by criminals from other countries, therefore you should control the flow of people from other countries? Your country has a population of criminals also, should you evict everyone from the US, because otherwise Americans will infringe on your rights? Your argument doesn't hold in all cases, so can't possibly be correct.

[default013]

All of you miss the point. Taxes. Illegals don't pay them. Yes I disagree with the current tax system but until that changes we have income tax as the primary tax method. Illegals come to the US illegally, avoid registering in any way, work ethically off of the books or gain income criminally. You people need to remember just what illegals are. Why is it so hard to register for a visa to work legally? And if it is the visa process you have a problem with, help update that process!

[default013]

I suppose the argument will be that laws need to change to give illegals a legal status and allow them to pay taxes etc. I would be in favor of some of that as long as they are denied access to entitlement programs. We already have enough looters on our backs to go and invite more to jump on. There is also crime and terrorism to consider. Personally I don't want anyone here who refuses to identify themselves, especially when many do have legal methods available.

[redstackofrock]

We don't allow companies to polute our waters with toxic waste. Likewise, we shouldn't let employers import potential spies, criminals, terrorists or illiterate peasants. Their right to maximize profits shouldn't trump our national interests.

[RyanLVMetal88]

exactly. ill add to that... free immigration infringes on the rights of the indigenous to thier own land.

[ShoelessLlama]

The presence of new immigrants does not negate preexisting property rights of current residents. Unless you feel compelled to give a portion of what you owned to your new neighbors?

[z2b]

"In case anyone missed the point: It's not the government's job to make sure no one steals your job--it's YOURS. "

Very good summary 7ntm61lc

[WordOfTheLivingLie]

So it sounds like YB is for eradicating the U.S. border altogether.

How does he feel about the disease, crime, etc. they bring with them? What about the flow of cash back across the border that doesn't circulate here?

[thaguy6502]

See part two...

As for the cash, good (in the short term). We have had *way* too much money flowing into this country (see: sub prime loans and banking crisis)... And not really relevant long term, provided we also have a free flow of capital and goods.

[advancethinking]

I think that this view of immigration is a little flawed The United States government has the responsibility to protect its ppl, yes, that includes monitoring immigration. Illegal immigration is a disrespect to a nations borders that are internationally recognized. Legal immigration is fine, but it should be monitored by the federal government.The means of discouraging illegal immigration by means of putting bans on hiring illegal immigrants is immoral, not to the illegals but the business owner

[torres585]

Third, one side tells me, "It's the law." So fucking what? Prohibition was a law, matter of fact, it was a Constitutional amendment. Look what happened? Crime and violence, yeah THAT worked. The immigration procedure needs to be re-worked. Not all laws are effective.

The other side just wants to sympathize for some fucking leechers that don't want to do shit! I think borders should be open for people that want to work and better their lives along with a procedure. Keep the riff-raff out.

[torres585]

Scratch that last comment. Both sides don't say anything about taking away welfare subsidies.

Another thing, in a free market, we would NEED immigrants, illegal or not. These "illegals" are running most of the labor and I've heard some actually pay taxes. It amuses me to hear "Boo hoo illegals took my 20$ hr job!" TOUGH SHIT. It's not the government's job to protect jobs, it's yours.

[torres585]

I've been listening to both sides and comments of the immigration debate and they don't tackle the root of the problem: big-government subsidies

One side wants to subsidize immigration with amnesty and benefits on the backs of people who are on the line. The other side wants to just toss them aside. Ask yourself? Is this workable? Immigration can't be solved without looking at economics. If we stop giving benefits, then they will stop coming because they won't have reason to come.

[cribbaholic]

Excellent! Thanks ARI, keep up the great work.

[7NTM61Ic]

In case anyone missed the point: It's not the government's job to make sure no one steals your job--it's YOURS.

The set of people who go to America in search of a better life contains a high proportion of achievers who CREATE jobs anyway.

[z2b]

Great video! Thank you

[shovelcharge]

Adhominems are for people who can't argue

[ronbard2001]

I may be wrong but it seems to me that with totally open borders there won't be just 500 people showing up for a Walmart job but 5,000.

And what about getting into college? Also, as long as we have government run schools...

[shovelcharge]

Good! More workers the better. People can pay for college. Dr. Brook isn't for public schools.

[ronbard2001]

The more workers the better for Walmart but not if your the worker

[philosophyarchitect]

*you're

That's a misconceived view of economics. The more employees filling a position the more demand there is and so the job market expands as well.

[duke1duke1]

Jobs don't sit in a static amount. If there is a higher population, more jobs are created.

Look around you. Do cities which have population densities 1000x higher than rural areas have extreme levels of unemployment? No! Because an increase in population causes an increase in the division of labor.

[dduppie]

Opening borders allows people to come in, but it doesn't guarantee them jobs. So those who can't find any work would be just as free to seek employment outside the country.

[Youhavethebody]

Yay!

Open Immigration is definitely the rational choice.

[legendre007]

Excellent! :-D