How to experience God - Part 2

[claudelebel55]

this guy obviously knows what he is talking about. No bullshit here. No blind belief. No pointing to an outside authority - the bible tells me so, or the koran, blah, blah

[claudelebel55]

@TrevorNGuitar sounds awfully philosophical to me: if this that and the other thing ..... etc. He's talking about direct experience for which the words are only a preparation.

[turbopro10]

science has no absolutes

[turbopro10]

Science and the scientific method has no absolutes.

[1646Alex]

I am Jewish and have been questioning everything for my whole

[1646Alex]

i am

[FreakyDoudou]

it's actually crazy... 3 days ago i had a very strong acid trip, and i had the idée to realize an experience to conect the man to God. i wrote 20 pages of my thery of experiencing God...

and i find this guy giving me a kind of feedback !

so weird!!

[jamesvhawk]

very wise yet humble, good work here!

[KSanth100]

You are good. I totally trust you...yes we can experience God directly

Many thanks!!!

[porkyo123]

no man will ever exsperience God! how foolish. you can meditate for a week and you'll be relaxted calm etc. that is not God! you will maybe exsperience him in the next life,that;s it!

[claudelebel55]

@porkyo123 I can hear you in a previous incarnation arguing that the earth is flat "common, all you have to do is look out your window. Nobody will ever prove to me that the earth is round and that we actually go around the sun". How do you know that what you say is the truth ?

no man will ever prove that the earth is round! How foolish.

[Danster82]

What is it that makes a spiritual seeker? It would seem there are relative truths are closer to the truth....? Or there is something at play that allows someone to begin seeking out truth whilst they are still stuck in duality where they apparently cannot experience truth...

[McSweet22]

I hope ppl can take time to really stretch their minds and grasp what he's trying to convey. it's extremely enlightening just little complex for most ppl.

It really isn't that complex. I'm 14 and well understand BUT. You have to be open and willing to LISTEN to what he is saying. If you automatically don't believe what he is saying. What makes you think you will listen?

[frix123]

I hope ppl can take time to really stretch their minds and grasp what he's trying to convey. it's extremely enlightening just little complex for most ppl

[casey10614]

Socrates was the wisest man of his time because he realized he didn't know everything. So at our current level we really don't know much at all... realtivly speaking.

[njneopatriot]

Actually a person without an ego would die. There is evidence a meditative state of consciousness can be achieved for a limited period of time. There is empirical evidence supporting these statements of fact.

[TMore111]

Sure, if we are too identified with the ego (i.e. the self which feels separated from God), then we would die. If you think you ARE the ego, then you cannot live without it.

But our conscious self, our sense of who we are, doesn't need to be based on the ego. We can recognize that we are spiritual beings, one with God, and base our identity on that. And we can live perfectly healthy and balanced lives. In fact much more fulfilling lives than if we believe we are separated from God.

[njneopatriot]

Hmmm I understand the ego to be an important part of human emotional development. To kill the ego would be equivalent to removing the brain from the body. The only difference is the individual without an ego would be emotionally devoid rather than dead. My life's experience has taught me there is value in everything. This is the empirical evidence as I see it. Having an awareness of one's strengths as well as the weaknesses is key to experience the beauty and wonders of creation.

[TMore111]

"To kill the ego would be equivalent to removing the brain from the body."

To kill the ego would mean to align our mind (and brain, if you like) with the reality of God. To remove all false images of God and allow the Truth to flow in.

Letting go of the ego means giving up our old sense of identity. But if we build a new sense of identity, based on the reality of God, and the reality of who we are, then giving up the ego won't be so frightening.

[njneopatriot]

Okay I understand ... Kim does not literally mean to kill or starve the ego to death.

[TMore111]

"The only difference is the individual without an ego would be emotionally devoid rather than dead."

An individual without the ego would know what true unconditional love is. They wouldn't have feelings of lack, anger, hatred..., but of love, joy and peace. It's true there is a value in everything, including in going through tough times and negative experiences. But there is value only if we learn something from that experience and grow in consciousness (and love) as a result of it.

[TMore111]

But if we are caught in a never-ending cycle, our emotions going up and down, then our life becomes a roller-coaster where we never find a point of peace and balance.

[njneopatriot]

I agree but one must also journey through the darkness as well as the light.

[morelife33]

I am not using the term ego the way Freud used it but the way many modern psychologists do. It is a limiting aspect of the psyche, which our real selves can indeed live without. What Freud called ego is more like what I call the conscious self, although Freud saw no spiritual origin to it.

[jerfow]

True Kim! Whatever you say the ego mind can colour with its filters for its own sake and survival! The love for outer security cannot but keep pple away from inner peace. I do know now (thanks to Jesus) that our sins are not ourselves nor are they any part of us! They are diseases we learned to love. The greater the attachement, greater the disturbance on the day we decide to shift consciousness to that of the Christ indeed! We shall meet soon beloved brother in light. Time to burn my God flame!

[Danster82]

So people who follow your teachings Kim ultimately have to abandon them and find their own truth.

[morelife33]

They aren't really "my" teachings. However, the true purpose of any spiritual teaching is to bring people in contact with their own higher selves, whereby they no longer need an outer teaching. A good teacher is one who raises the student to the point where he/she no longer needs the teacher.

[ministerabdallah]

There is a passage I believe I read in the Nag Hammadi Library that says when you seek the Truth and gain knowledge of the Truth you will then become "greatly disturbed."

I want you to know Kim that no matter how definitive I seem to speak in my comments, that they are as far away from that as possible. I question and debate ONLY for Truth sake for I know I am ignorant, or maybe I'm not (that's the conundrum I/we are in). EVERYTHING I say and believe I question, but I have to stand somehwere-?

[TMore111]

It's OK to question things and not blindly follow the dictates of any belief system. But if you really want to know the Truth, you need to be willing to be open to a higher answer, an answer that might surprise you. If you still hold on to certain beliefs about God that you are not willing to question, that you take for granted because "it cannot be anyway else", then you might be limiting your ability to know the Truth.

[TMore111]

So yes, we need to be willing to be "greatly disturbed", even to the point of not knowing where to stand, but waiting for a higher truth to reveal itself to us. And it will, if you really want to know.

[ministerabdallah]

We all follow some belief system, we can't not follow "any", unless we don't have freewill and we are controlled or programmed. Your very comment is made in the belief that you are guiding me to Truth. Or, you could actually know the Truth, but I would have to be willing to, or you would have to be able to prove to me to cause me to, change my current belief in Truth. I question ALL. It cannot be anyway else than Truth, for Truth is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent; I believe.

[TMore111]

We can follow a belief system, but it doesn't mean we cannot be open to a higher understanding. As long as we have certain beliefs that are like holy cows to us - which we are not willing to question - we are limiting our capacity to KNOW the truth. You see, believing is not the same as knowing. As long as you BELIEVE something is true, but haven't really experienced it, you cannot know it for sure.

[TMore111]

And then you can either question everything, like you do, or you defend your belief as the only true one. But if you experience Truth directly, then all doubt stops. Because you KNOW, you no longer believe. And this is what Kim is talking about here.

[kazb25]

Tmore111 - very well said!!!

totally agree. To know it, would free you from limiting belief's . Because i belief is based on not really KNOWING.

[ministerabdallah]

Can we trust our experiences though? They can be clouded by our mental/emotional/intellectual state of mind or our belief, meaning we end up experiencing things that confirm our belief but may only be because of the intensity in which we are believing. If experience is a "validator" then people of all religions should start respecting and believing in the validity of other religions because of the experiences that its followers experience i.e. conneting with and feeling the presence of God.

[TMore111]

"Can we trust our experiences though?"

If our experience is oneness, unity, unconditional love, no separation between us and God... then yes, we can. And we can start using such a mystical experience to gain more understanding about who we are and illuminate parts of our psyche that resist that oneness.

No matter what religion we belong to, we can all feel the presence of God within. And if it's a genuine experience, it will lead us to more respect for others, more understanding, more love.

[kazb25]

ministerabdallah

"can we tryst our experiences"

we create our own reality, so what we experience ourselves is real. Because this IS our REAL-ality. - what your saying is that what we create can not be real and can not validate our experiences. so it cant be trusted.

but its not your experiences as a whole your not trusting - you point out that it is your mind you cant trust.

all experience takes place in your mind even visual. your mind will process what it is seeing. ... continued...