Also you are trying too say this but what avail if this then true word why has it been hidden. But I digress then factz of then matter is you are only trying too cite from this book in all actuality this proving then jewish want of superiority question if jewish people are then choosen people how can Allah SWT promise heaven for anyone else. Also, name why then Kaaba was built and Ibrahim AS didnt who did.
First then prophet muhammad saw did.not spare.any of the versions of then torah or then bible as obviously if this true thats means hey meant that was corrupted too.
Unholy book promotes homosexuality,lesbianism, fornication,prostitution, alcoholism, gambling and other evils and if you read the Bible you can easily find who to screw your own daughter in law or screw your brother's wife, your mother, sister and I can go on and on but can you show me just one such thing in the Qur'an? You can quote only one thing that slay the unbelievers wherever you find them and everyone quote this verse OUT OF CONTEXT AS ALL THE OTHER VERSES.
@AdorIslam What's written in the Bible is, for instance, as a command, not to sleep with your immediate family members. However, it was recorded that Lot was drunk and his daughters coerced him to sleep with them. It never condones it or tells you how to do it, so watch out how you judge it.
I make it very simple for all the idiots on this thread that if YAHWA s the creator of all the heavens and the earth and in between, we have no problem in worshiping but the point here is the name of the creator of heaven and earth and in between is Allah in Arabic and he has so many other beautiful names as well. The Creator has taught us through his prophet that how we should worship him and glorify him and obey him as well. So we don't need to listen to the toilet papers to worship God.
So if you are seeking truth and interested in real truth then you need to buy those book written by famous historians and scholars.
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I do.
I have my bible which has all the proof written within it from outside sources & I have your quran to prove the bible is right. There is much in the quran & NOT in the bible making me ask the question:
If Islams “allah” is so wonderful why are muslims lying for it?
Why would a new religion copy characters from the bible?
Yes, you have the Bible but it lacks truth that doesn't mean everything in the Bible is corrupted or distorted, there is truth, lies, distortion and twisted to suit the belief of the Jews and Christians but the Qur'an explains what you should accept and what you should reject. So please use your brain.
@AdorIslam You wrote: -QUOTE- If you want to debate debate the Qur'an or the Hadith that are in line with the Qur'an or just forget it. -UNQUOTE- Sure, would you like me to bring out the SEXUAL hadiths that referenced Muhammad? Have many to choose from. You pick the one U want to talk about, ok? 1) Sex & sexuality in Islam 2) Enjoying a female body in Islam 3) Coitus Interuptus in Islam 4) Child sex in Islam 5) Sex with captives in Islam 6) Sex & masturbation in Islam
Ionly Quote the Word of Jesus,THE SERVANT(meaning son not literal) of God send by GOD to preach the message of God almighty! Jesus never was killed but protected by God ascended in the heaven n will descend One day destroying the evils of Satan n abolishing the falsehood of Mankind who commanded/created Jesus the creator Almighty God "my God n Ur God"=the One n only who is worthy of worship Allah(the God) Of All of Mankind!Amen May God bless u n Protect u for Satan n his misguidances Peace!
@moeazysgc , Jesus Christ will NOT marry when He returns, There will be no marriages as HE said, and We are appointed to death only once. Peter agreed that Jesus was resurrected from the dead; 1Pe 1:3 ¶ Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, SO He does NOT have to die again..
What is he a homosexual or a man without a dick? He ate, drank, pissed, defecated and got circumcised and he is man if he doesn't marry then there must be some thing terribly wrong with him. What do you think, does he got a penis or not does it erect or not? Can you idiot answer me? Jews call him a bastard, a homosexual, a liar, his mother a whore and you insult us while suck their dicks.
@moeazysgc , All historical records agree that Jesus was crucified and Jesus Himself agreed; Mt 26:2 "You know that after two days is the Passover, and the Son of Man will be delivered up to be crucified." Satan HATES the fact that He was defeated by Christ's resurrection. Re 12:12 ¶ "Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time."
@moeazysgc Jesus DID claim to be the SON of God; YES HE DID; Jesus claimed equality with the God the Father. "Jesus said to them, 'My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.' For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God" (John 5:17-18).
@moeazysgc Jesus KNEW and said He is the SON of GOD; Joh 10:36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?
They said He was blaspheming because HE SAID HE IS THE SON OF GOD.
@moeazysgc JESUS Christ claimed to have existed before Abraham;
"Then they asked him, 'Where is your father?' 'You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied. 'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
Jesus worship/prayed n Preached of the One God the creator like all prophets before him does God Worship/Pray to himself? Is God commanded to preach his words to the lost sheep of Israel n if so by who?Another god?!Christianity was distorted n changed,Once Christianity accepts God as One n Only One deity without any partners,intermediates n other pagan beliefs(trinity) will they understand their religion cleanly n only until then will their confusions of God n contradictions End n See the truth!
@moeazysgc His WORD is eternal. The Quran is NOT eternal. It was created. "The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8 God's WORD IS GOD; Joh 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Did God not SPEAK and say ''BE''? Are you saying HE created His own voice? Did He created HIMSELF?
@moeazysgc ,Christians do not believe in THREE Gods, There is only ONE God, He is able to manifest Himself to us in three ways. As we are created in His IMAGE, SPIRIT, SOUL AND BODY, AND WE ARE ONE, He is Father, Son[Word] and Holy Spirit. As I am ONE SO IS HE.
@moeazysgc Jesus said; Mr 12:29 Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one. Then he said; Joh 10:30 "I and My Father are one."
Christians have a serious sickness, they always assume things like Muhammad (S)had a family they were Christians so he copied from them or he had copied from Greek or the Arabs were pagan and they worship 360 idols so Allah is moon God. I know the Christians are sick and desperate but the Jews are even worse because they know Islam take over means their business based on lie that is media and the economy based on usury and immorality will die and they will die along with it.
@AdorIslam , MUHD nor his family had any Christian contact, If they had, there would have been a little integrity that rubbed off somewhere. The fact is, they were all Jinn worshipers and that is why He was so demon possessed. He traveled a lot and stole stories from old wives tales Zoroastrians, and Jews that never Knew the Bible. Mohammad would be booted out from college faster than you can say "plagiarism" if he submitted his book.
Oh it's amazing that the Jinn worshipers do not even know the name of the Jinn for an instance Jesus or Mitra but they mention the name of the creator, not just a creator, 'Rabbil Arlameen, the Lord of the worlds and read carefully it is not just the world but world and also Muhammad (s) is the Ramatullil Arlameen means mercy to the worlds and that includes Jinn as well. So please stop spewing your total ignorance on Islam.
Al-Tabary explains Surah 16:106 as verse reveald 2 Mohammed learning Ammar Ibn Yasser forced 2 deny his faith in Mohammed when kidnapped by Banu Moghera tribe. Mohammed consoled Ammar telling him, "If they turned, u turn." (Meaning: if captured again, deny me again.)
Similar passages clearly reveal that Muslims' unintentional lies R forgivable. Its clear if forced to do so, Muslims can lie while under oath & can even falsely deny faith in Allah, as long as they maintain faith in their hearts.
Mohammed often lied & instructed his followers to do same. Example of sanctioned lying is assassination of Kaab Ibn al-Ashrf, a member of the Banu al-Nudair Jewish tribe. Muslim man, Ibn Muslima, volunteered 2 kill him on condition Mohammed would allow him 2 lie. W/Mohammed's consent, Ibn Muslima, went 2 Kaab told him fabricated stories(that reflected discontent about Mohammed's leadership) gained Kaab's trust lured him away from his house 1 night & murdered him under the cover of darkness.
Well, we Muslims don't give a damn about any of these books even if these books are called authentic unless the teaching of these books are in line with the teaching of the Qur'an and we consider these kinds of books are that of according to Mathew, Mark, Luke and John and these are anonymous book like the corrupted and distorted Bible. If you want to debate debate the Qur'an or the Hadith that are in line with the Qur'an or just forget it.
Within Islam there R provisions lying is encouraged. Book "The spirit of Islam," by Muslim scholar, Afif A. Tabbarah written 2 promote Islam. Pg 247, Tabbarah states: "Lying is not always bad, 2B sure; there R times when telling a lie more profitable & better 4 general welfare & 4 settlement of conciliation among people, than telling truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (thru lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good."
Well, there are Muslim scholars and there are people call themselves scholars but the above mentioned scholars are not very much known to Muslims because there are other scholars and also when you cite an scholar, you just pick what they have said out of context or prom a site that is controlled by the bankrupt Jew or Christian. So if you are seeking truth and interested in real truth then you need to buy those book written by famous historians and scholars.
we consider these books […] Mathew, Mark, Luke and John […]corrupted & distorted Bible.
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Islam ONLY wishes they had such witnesses as Mark, Matthew, John & Luke. NOT ONE MUSLIM CAN FIND AN ERROR OR CONTRADICTION IN THE WORDS OF JESUS making their testimonies & the NT credible & valid!
These witnesses gave their depositions to a crime scene.
Not just one but 4 eyewitnesses gave us a great insight scenario of the life of Jesus & what He said & done.
Well, you are a slow learner, what I said was that if we are to accept all the Hadith and books that are written by Islamic scholars and non-Islamic scholars then we would accept Mathew, Mark, Luke and John, here what I am saying is that these books are as good as the Bible but these books were compiled some 150 to 200 years later and the Bible 325 years later and also it was a crime to possess a copy of the Bible and if you were caught would be killed.
Well, we Muslims don't give a damn about any of these books even if these books are called authentic unless the teaching of these books are in line with the teaching of the Qur'an
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Ur willing to die for a book written 600 yrs after the original & calling the original “corrupt”?
Sorry, but the NEWER book(quran) shall NEVER judge the OLDER book(bible).
Islam has NO history but it seems as tho you dont care, right?
@AdorIslam Lying, to deny my God (Jesus) is NOT possible. 4 Islam tho, its ok to lie to protect urself or ur religion from harm. Here R ur following quranic verses to lie. FROM Qur'an: Sura (16:106) Qur'an (9:3) Qur'an (3:54) Sura (3:28) Sura (40:28) Sura (2:225) Sura (66:2) FROM HADITHS: Bukhari (52:269) Bukhari (49:857) Bukhari (84:64-65) Bukhari (52:271) Bible says simply Matt10:32-33 Anything coming from ur mouth is also coming from ur heart. Matt15:11, 17-19 Rev 21:8, Prov10:18
You mean they are not allowed to screw with everybody like your mom, sister and daughters?
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Freedom doesn’t mean one has to go out & screw everybody. You see the ‘ugly’ side of people b/c you expect only the ugly side. All have free choice & free will to worship as they please.
Worship is NOT duty or from intimidation but a willingness to give ones heart & soul to God with JOY completely & selflessly.
There is no record of punishing women, children, old, young and innocents.
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Muhammad did NOT adhere to your Quran 9:6 & disposed of many INNOCENTS!
The old woman Umm who was torn apart by camels Hadith Tabari VIII:96
Or those burned alive? Ishaq:316
Or the 900+ boys who were beheaded 5-at-a-time & took all day. One can imagine their screams & cries of mercy. Were they ‘comforted’ by your COMFORTER? Tabari VIII:35, 38, 40/ Ishaq:464
Well, Islam is a living religion and also intelligent and logical too. So if you use violence then Islam will permit the followers to defend without transgression. For your information Islam doesn't teaches us to offer the other cheek but it is recommended to forgive because it is better in the sight of God. I would advise you to talk about Christianity so that we can talk about Islam. But It is stupid of you to be bent on insulting and abusing Islam, I think it is stupid of you.
I would advise you to talk about Christianity so that we can talk about Islam. But It is stupid of you to be bent on insulting and abusing Islam, I think it is stupid of you.
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Just show me ONE proof from your quran. Your quran is so full of lies I honestly don’t know where to start. Prove Jesus spoke as a baby or talked to allah, start there. Give an outside source.
Or Ishmael/Abraham went to Mecca or they were muslims. Abraham was Hebrew NOT a muslim.
If you are accusing someone of lying and distortion, you should highlight the lies and distortion where as you are just claim the way you claim that Jesus to be your God.
For your information Islam doesn't teaches us to offer the other cheek but it is recommended to forgive because it is better in the sight of God.
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Islam NEVER forgives but KILLS. If this were true then according to your Quranic verse 9:6 all 900 boys would have been saved instead of beheaded. No one would have been beheaded or tortured or burned alive. But then, we ARE talking about Islam & Q 33:21, right?
Well, Islam is a living religion and also intelligent and logical too. So if you use violence then Islam will permit the followers to defend without transgression.
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Islam is VIOLENT, yes. Islam is intelligent, yes … but ONLY to know how to deceive people better.
But Islam has instigated more violence than they have defended. Islam lies when they say they are peaceful & have no compulsion to violence
Tell me what is the question that I have not answered, I can proudly say I can answer any question the people of the book or anybody else ask because I know they never ask anything intelligent.
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Why believe in a religion where your “allah” does NOT recognize, validate or sanction Islam, Muh'd, quran, Islam or allah? Ishmael was [cast out] & none of these words are in the bible.
So why believe in Islam that has NO foundation scripturally or biblically?
Whether I am lying or the people of the book are lying is recorded in the Qur'an
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Sorry, the quran? Havent we been thru this already? What gives the quran its alleged authority?
Your quranic scribes? Mere men who have allegedly memorized ‘different’ & incomplete quranic verses by those whom Muh’d did NOT like? Many of your true ‘memorzers were KILLED. Much of your “other variant Qurans” were BURNED!
BTW please don't quoting from your distorted records and call us liars because even the Bible that you quote and read is distorted.
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Then from what source would you want me to quote from? Your biased, prejudiced sources from Saudi Arabia ISLAMIC web sites? THEY HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION I DO!
Now PROVE, the scriptures I quote were different from when Islam was founded 1,400 yrs ago.
I Have answered these questions, confirm it again you really want the answers again and I will reply them again
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All muslims have commented same as you: “have already answered these questions”
As you THINK or ASSUME your answers are correct, understand they have NOT been fully discussed. You just cant answer & assume you are right or think your opponent assumes you are right. All muslims want to go to the next question w/o finishing the first completely
Tell me what is the question that I have not answered, I can proudly say I can answer any question the people of the book or anybody else ask because I know they never ask anything intelligent. And also the verses they post on the videos are always distorted. I guarantee it and I advise those who read the verses posted by stupid Christians are lies; please get a Qur'an and read it yourself to verify the truth because most of the people want to live on lie and go to hell
I love my brother for the sake of God n only God the creator,I will pray for n plz pray 4 Me also! God Guides who seek his love,guidances n grace! May God Almighty take the hate n evil u have away from u n show u the truth,May God bless u n bless those close to U,May God shower U with Knowledge!Use the Brain God gave u n don't seal ur Heart,if u loved Jesus u would follow the commandments n pray(Salat)like he did,not eating swine like he did, worshiping the one God(not trinity) like he did! Amen
God is not a Man he is exalted above this evil wick notion/concept/theory of Christians! Christians say Blasphemy things about God the Unseen lord of the universe comparing him to his creation(Jesus) God is the creator not the created,God does not defecated n Urinated,God is not born(Begotten) a sexually conception or through Incest(Jesus is God,God is Jesus) Bullshit this is a pagan belief inserted into Jesus religion by the council of Nicca like Zeus n his half human son Hercules,Pagan!
@moeazysgc You understanding is shallow. There was no Jesus before He was born, He was the WORD of YHWH and He became flesh. God's WORD is GOD, Every part of GOD IS HIM.
@GodsSeer God word is not God,God created the word it was Jesus God creates All things But he is Not created! God is THE CREATOR because he creates No gives birth or becomes this is Blasphemy! U r dangeriouly mocking God when u say He gives birth to children or can change when he is unseen n has No form or shape that our imagination/Intellect can conceive/describe! U Christians think God is equal to humanity,"Wrong" He is the Unseen God of Abraham who sends Angles n prophets to warn Us! Peace
@moeazysgc,, OK then, What part of GOD is NOT Him? If His WORD is less than He is, then what He says is of less importance. His Word then becomes weak and means nothing., So why should we believe any of it? David prophesied that YHWH'S Word is more important than His NAME; Ps 138:2 I will worship toward Your holy temple, And praise Your name For Your lovingkindness and Your truth; For You have magnified Your word above all Your name.
@moeazysgc . Can a mere man create from nothing? Jesus Christ Created from nothing. Who was IN HIM to do these things? Who was IN Jesus that He forgave sinners? Who was in Jesus that HE walked on the water and gave Peter the grace to do it? Who was in Jesus that He could cast out demons from a man who was so demon possessed he broke chains from his wrists? Who was in JESUS Christ that HE could raise a dead man after the man was rotting? Who was in CHRIST that He could heal the blind from birth?
@moeazysgc . No one says that GOD has sex. Anyone with that accusation against GOD is silly to say the least on the verge of blaspheme. That is a filthy mind.Christ was not created, He is the creator. God's WORD is the creator. Christ was manifest in JESUS the man. He came through Him and is eternal. The Son of GOD IS eternal. All the prophets KNEW the Son of GOD.
I have never come across a single Christian who can debate intellectually without insulting the prophet, the normally use their emotion and out burst at Islam because they cannot swallow the truth but they will loose the hereafter for worshiping and promoting gods beside God.
@AdorIslam Anything we say about Him from His own records would insult him. Muslims LOVE to sweep his filth under the rug and present a fantasy picture of a man who tortured for fun, committed every sin against YHWH and then we are to lie and say he was good in some way?
@AdorIslam The problem is, You cannot deny the crimes He committed without lying. If you really had a love of truth, You would admit that from his own records, he shows his own evil mind.
I don't consider fighting with those who fight is a crime or punish people who betray and indulge in immoral act. Read the Bible or I tell me I can post some of the crimes in the Bible. Well, I am not sure what is evil in your opinion, please enlighten me of evil and good.
@AdorIslam The only difference in the crimes in the Bible and the crimes of MUHD, They are considered a sin in the Bible, but MUHD made his seem like good deeds, and he said his god gave him permission because he said he is superrior than everyone else and you believe his lie.
@AdorIslam . Evil is MOTIVE. When the law of Moses said ''NO WORK on the Sabbath'' they accused Jesus of working on the Sabbath because He and His disciples healed on that day, raised the dead and picked grain to eat.Jesus told them,''I will have mercy and not sacrifice'' Mercy triumphs over the law.'' Muslims make women burkhas in the hot desert. NO mercy. I saw a video of Muslims holding a small boy's arm under a big truck, running over it because he stole bread to eat. CRUEL god.
The Torah of Moses strictly forbids intermarriage in order to preserve a holy nation of Israel.
Deu 7:3 "Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son."
Well, now most of them are Gays. lesbians, adulterers. fornicators, and all kinds of evil on the planet, this has happened because God has sent the plague as he promised. The Kasarians are not the Semitic Jews.
@AdorIslam You are a pagan because you follow a false god who is Satan and his prophet who did not stop at any sin. A god who teaches you to kill God's People as Jesus prophesied; Joh 16:2 "They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service.
well, you become a pagan when you worship a man, rock, animals, birds and humans but when you worship God alone you are not considered a pagan. In your case you worship a dead man, a coward and fool who supposed to have been killed by the Jews to proclaim that the was a false prophet and they were right if you believe he died.
@AdorIslam The law of Moses was given to keep the race of the Jews pure for the sake of Christ who is the seed of Isaac. To prevent the PAGAN tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites; Moab and the Hagrites; Gebal, Ammon, and Amalek; Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre AND Assyria FROM INFILTRATING THE holy PEOPLE.
hahahahaha u SUCK, fella.U have no evidence for anything here,just things which u created with your 49% of IQ.No Saten And u are included in , can not stop spreading of Islam even creating rubbish staff as 9/11 ALLAHU EKBER , nice to have people like you who unconsciously serving to Islam :-)
YOU MUST be kidding.... TORAH is the most corrupted holy book on this planet. Do want to learn why. Coz religion is nothing to do with nationality, if it would be so then Yehowa or how u call him would be ` discriminator ` and God has nothing to do with racism indeed. and Jewish people are the ones who executed their prophets and caused to suffer even their great prophet Moses .When it comes to moral YOU are the last people to judge the others and u fully deserved Roman Egyptian and Hittler
Muhammad lost the path of true calling as messenger to Arabia when he was bewitched by Satan. When he and muslims escaped to Median in 622AD, he started to stray from the truth as he admitted that Satan threw in vanity into his desire Quran 22:52.
So Khadija the Christian wife of Muhammad was the Guardian angel over his doctrines in Mecca. After her death, Muhammad was demonized with many demonic words which did not come from Khadija nor Waraqa.
You can go on and on with your diatri9be but you are asked to produce a single sura to prove your case so far 1450 years no one has come up with a single challenge. So I conclude that you are making noses and no substance, please at least show me a verse that is in the Bible also in the Qur'an, I mean identical one since all the people of the claim he copied from the Bible. Hating Islam without using your faculties will lead you to hell.
The truth is God covenants are condition attached and there are everlasting as long as the covenant is not breached, the criminal Jews have breached and they were waned and cast out later.
20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
I will give unto thee (O Abraham) the land where in though art the stranger, all the land of Canaan (Palestine) for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.” Genesis 17:18 Also Genesis 13:15 and Exodus 32:13.
“And he (God Almighty) gave him (Abraham) the land wherein it, No, Not so much to set his foot upon; but he (God) promised that he would give it to him for a possession.” Act 7:5
The Bible is physically molested book, I mean distorted by the Jews
Yes, you are a clown and you don't understand your own Bible. I showed you from the Bible that your have been cast out and cursed and also showed Ismael was the only son God had for 13 years and now you want to speak for God. Where does God say that he will not bring a prophet form Abraham's other lineage. Ismael was also a prophet because prophet of God's sons too are prophets too.
@AdorIslam You said: -QUOTE- Ismael was also a prophet because prophet of God's sons too are prophets too. -UNQUOTE- WRONG! Ishmael is NOT a prophet. Ishmael is NOT a prophet b/c Ishmael is NO LONGER the son of Abraham b/c Ishmael was banished, exiled, cast out, thrown out of the house of Abraham in Gen 21:14 This means Ishmael forfeits all birthrights including ‘sonship’ to Abraham. No seed from Ishmael will beget a prophet, NONE! Means Islam & Muh’d are lies.
@AdorIslam You said: -QUOTE- Where does God say that he will not bring a prophet form Abraham's other lineage. -UNQUOTE- From YOUR quran in Q 29:27 & from Genesis 28:13-14 Neither mention the name of Ishmael. Why? B/c Ishmael was [CAST OUT] & no longer considered the son of Abraham! Ishmael, Adam or lot are NOT prophets. Qurans other lies & misinformation. All prophets will come by the seeds of Isaac & Jacob
Why don't you quote the verse 29:27 I have already looked into the Qur'an and find nothing to support your argument. In this verse , it talks about Abraham's progeny Issac and Jacob pointing to the other lineage of Abraham, so if you are accepting that then you have to accept the person who brought the revelation to you as well or reject it totally. Where does the Qur'an says Ismael was cast out; the Bible says he was blessed.
Then how come Aron is a prophet too. He is the brother of Moses.
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Aaron, Lot, Ishmael & Adam were NEVER prophets to GOD.
God dealt with ONE-PROPHET-AT-A-TIME!
Aaron was a prophet to Moses, NOT to God. As Moses was a prophet to God, so too was Aaron a prophet to Moses. God said Moses will be like a ‘God’ to Pharoah & that Aaron will be his prophet (Ex 7:1)
In this verse , it talks about Abraham's progeny Issac and Jacob pointing to the other lineage of Abraham, so if you are accepting that then you have to accept the person who brought the revelation to you as well or reject it totally.
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There is NO prophethood thru Ishmael, PERIOD! You have NO scriptural proof.
This means Islam is a false religion & Muh’d is a false prophet.
In Gen 22:2, 12 & 16; GOD confirms that Abraham has ONLY one son, Isaac.
@voiceofreasoning You wrote: -QUOTE- Where does the Qur'an says Ismael was cast out; the Bible says he was blessed. -UNQUOTE- How do U get “prophethood” from “blessed”? Genesis 21:10 Cast out this bondwoman and her son: Gen 21:12 And God said unto Abraham … in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice Gen 21:14 Abraham sent them on their way. Ishmael forfeits all birthrights Gen 22:2 God calls Isaac Abrahams ONLY son
If you find this kind of verses in the Bible then it is the Jewish hand at work as usual. In the first place why should chose a people who are rebellious and arrogant and promote immorality and absurdities? If they are chosen then why are they always live on all kinds of evil and get slaughtered by the Christians, for instance Crusaders and Hitler and also all most all the Christian nations have kicked them out of their country and dump them at our doorstep, They are cursed.
Please stop beating around the bush and take up the challenge. The book itself is a miracle because Muhammad (S) was an unlettered person
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There were many illiterate people like Muh’d back then. He empowered himself by inventing a religion. He KILLED any who besmirched, excoriated or repudiated Islam. This is Islams TRUE meaning of “submission”; to convert believe by threat of death. Does one need to be ‘lettered’ to kill?
If you are saying or the Bible saying then the Bible is wrong, God has blessed Ismael in your own Bible and tell me how many times do you want me to post them? Bible is not a word of God either to accept everything which is written there and accepting Bible as the word of God itself is enough to throw the people of the book into deepest hell. Definitely Bible is distorted to suit the Jews and the stupid Christians.
by producing a couple of Suras and it wants to make it easy for you by offering the minimum you can do or find yourself in hell.
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The Suras to hell are found ONLY in Islam. Your doctrine to lie is ONLY found in Islam. Sura 4:157, for example, calls Jesus a liar. Jesus prophesied His own crucifixion & resurrection in Matt 26:2 & Matt 20:18-19 yet this Sura refutes this & calls Jesus a liar. DOES JESUS LIE? John 8:46
I am not asking the references but quote them here with the references so that others can read your lies. Ismael's people will be fruitful means God will replace them with his people and he did.
@AdorIslam You said: -QUOTE- and also showed Ismael was the only son God had for 13 years and now you want to speak for God -UNQUOTE- Who cares HOW long Ishmael was the “son of Abraham”, really, what has that to do w/Gen 21:14? Fact is, after Genesis 21:14 Ishmael was & is NO LONGER Abrahams son. God is very VERY clear. God states that Isaac is Abrahams ONLY son! How am I speaking for God? Where have I misinterpreted His HOLY words? Can YOU read Genesis 22:2, 12 & 16 by yourself?
What do you mean who cares? God cares every word he says because God is not a man nor son of a man where he can change his words or minds. It is your Bible make this assurance and you deny that and call God is a man. Well Hagar was married to Abraham by his own wife Sara and the people who deny this truth are denier of truth the Jews and stupid Christians.The book the Bible is corrupted by them to claim everything for them where as God is not a private company of the Jews.
Bible is not a word of God either to accept everything which is written there and accepting Bible as the word of God itself is enough to throw the people of the book into deepest hell
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Listen to urself! Uv called Gods word in OT & NT a lie! The bible comes w/proof outside the bible. The quran doesn’t; YET u will follow the quran despite it being w/o evidence? You will believe the mendacious words of mere men over Gods inspired words? Jeremiah 17:5
If there are words of God or words of prophets in the Bible that will not naturally make it the word of God, the word of God must be the words of God, it should not be the Paul's word or the other claimers. BTW I talking to walls?
The book the Bible is corrupted by them to claim everything for them where as God is not a private company of the Jews.
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How is the bible corrupted? Wheres the proof? By saying the bible is corrupted YOU HAVE CALLED GOD A LIAR!
If our bible is corrupted then why does Islam desperately try to find Muh’d in our corrupted Book? Our bible is NOT corrupted despite how many there are b/c all bring the same message of hope from Jesus
Not a single verse in the Arabic Qur'an is identical or word for word, when you say copy it should be coping word for word but I challenge you to provide two identical verses one from the Qur'an and the other one from the Bible and it is easy to get an Arabic Bible. Please try it or shut the fuck up.
Don't waste my time writhing down stupid things over and over again.
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How am I wasting ur time? Give me an honest answer with PROOF!
Or can YOU NOT HANDLE THE TRUTH?
How can YOU justify being a muslim when God from the bible does NOT endorse, sanction or validate Islam? Not only is Islam, quran, Muh’d, allah or muslim NOT found in the bible but GOD never called for Muh’d to be prophet after [casting out] Ishmael & calling Isaac Abrahams ONLY son!
Well we are not feeling insecure because we don't believe in tomorrow because we don't know whether we will be there. You worried and need your troop to die
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Islam is the insecurity for those in Islam who thirst for truth. Islam is based on deception & forces all who defend it to LIE. If allah is so omnipotent why do muslims LIE for it?
@AdorIslam You said: -QUOTE- Yes, you are a clown and you don't understand your own Bible. I showed you from the Bible that your have been cast out and cursed -UNQUOTE- Me? Are you implying that I have been ‘CAST OUT’? Prove it. Show me where I have been ‘cast out’! If you can, then YOU ARE right, I don’t understand my own bible. But if you CAN NOT(!), then admit YOU have NO IDEA what your talking about. Proof YOU need to leave Islam ASAP!
@AdorIslam ..If you agree with the Bible that Ishmael was 13 when Isaac was born. How old was Ishmael when Abraham cast him and his mother out according to the Quran?
Islamic position doesn't depend on the Bible or the Jews or the Christians or any other, the truth is according to the Bible which I quoted here blessed means it can be anything that God bless but anyway Muhammad (S) is the greatest prophet and he did not die on the cross and Jews couldn't do anything to him the so called chosen people are living in misery ever since they were cat out. Read the Qur'an then you know what I am talking about but the Bible is not the word of God anyway
@AdorIslam You said: -QUOTE- Read the Qur'an then you know what I am talking about but the Bible is not the word of God anyway -UNQUOTE- The NEWER Book shall NOT judge the OLDER Book. You are then suggesting the “quran” is the word of GOD? The OLDER Book (bible)which has PROOF is discarded by you to admit your NEWER Book (quran)which has ZERO PROOF? Are you high on drugs or something? You already know from the proof of our forum members how the lies within the quran escalates
Well, there are older books that are older than the bible and Bible is the book contain may manuscript written by more than 40 people in which a single manuscript is called Gospel of Jesus. Qur'an is the word of God because it contain so many characters to be one where as Bible lack a clean bill of health and word of God means direct from God not according to Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. Did you see it? Not even written by them but according to them.
@AdorIslam Tell me, how can U trust the quran? Is quran authoritative? Wheres the proof? Quran is NOT substantiated biblically. All books of NON-fiction have “footnotes” or references to imply the information within is credible, all except the quran! We’re simply supposed to BELIEVE? God demands PROOF! God demands WITNESSES! God demands TRUTH, especially if written by mere men! See verses below Duet 19:15 Matt 18:16 John 8:17 Qurans a circular fallacy w/o proof & canNOT be trusted.
The Qur;an has been well documented by Muslims and as well as non-Muslims who were truthful people but the Bible is not well documented but distorted by the Jews and Christians in writhing and with their tong. We have Islamic history and the authentic traditions of the Prophet and his companions and the Qur'an itself convince even a dumb, deaf and blind to accept it as the pure word of God.
U wrote: -QUOTE- We have Islamic history & the authentic traditions of the Prophet & his companions & the Qur'an itself convince even a dumb, deaf & blind to accept it as the pure word of God. -UNQUOTE- Convince me GOD endorses Islam. WHO CARES WHAT PEOPLE THINK OR SAID! Remember Jer 17:5? Why did God NOT endorse Islam by [casting out] Ishmael & calling Isaac Abrahams ONLY son? Means Ishmael forfeits all birthrights including ‘sonship’ to Abraham! Means Islam has NO foundation biblically!
The Qur;an has been well documented by Muslims and as well as non-Muslims who were truthful people but the Bible is not well documented but distorted by the Jews and Christians in writhing and with their tong
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Have asked for proof of Islams history beyond 1,400 yrs ago.
None is forthcoming by any muslim.
The lie here is that muslims contend all prophets were muslims YET there is NO mention of a “muslim” 2,000 yrs ago in ANY BOOK!.
If you are looking for Arabic word Islam in your Bible you will not find it because Islam means total submission to the will of God. I can show you Submitted his will to the will of God in the Bible. Oh my Father, remove this cup from me if you will not as I will (I am not sure about the exact Quote or reference in the Bible). So every prophet submitted his will to the will of God and they are called Muslims in Arabic.
And Abraham's second wife was legal as as the first wife and we Muslims don't take the Bible, Jews and Christians seriously because they are born liars
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So, from a religion like Islam that advocates “LYING”, YOU now say all Jews, Christians & bible lie, right? Maybe Abraham NEVER impregnated Hagar & this was all made up!
Ishmael was sired by a mountain goat!
Muh’d is a born liar b/c hes a muslim.
Why believe in ur god when U have to lie for him too?
Please read the Arabic Bible to find Arabic word for God Allah. So Muslim is an Arabic word. The problem with Christians most of the words are translated to English, for an instance Paraceletus is a Greek word, translate that, means praised one, translate that into Arabic means Muhammad. So similarly you have translated everything and distorted the meanings to lie. So please stop looking for something that you have distorted it. Paraceletus also means comforter.
Tell me how you trust there was a man called Moses or Jesus or the Bible is the word of God because the proof is not in the Bible or any outside source except the Qur'an talks about the scriptures as such as Torah and the Gospel. Qur'an is not asking you to believe for the sake of belief and ask you hundreds of intelligent and logical question. What makes you believe God spoke to Moses or Jesus where is the proof which you are asking me but the Qur'an challenge you to prove..conti
If you find this kind of verses in the Bible then it is the Jewish hand at work as usual.
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Are you this ignorant? Can you just step outsaide yourself for a second & really truly become a reasonable person? Your YT moniker is “voiceofreason’.
Are you also one w/reasonable mind? Have you ever considered the alternative? That Islam is truly a religion w/NO basis or foundation from the bible but created insidiously?
Anything God says is always intelligent and logical can be proven by scientific means and other means but when you Christians gentiles claim the Jews are chosen people of God and his covenant still stands it is illogical because Jews have been warned in the Bible for their rebellious attitude and then cursed and taken the kingdom of God away from them and given it to a nation that bear fruits and that is Muslims. God created man only to worship him and not for any other purposes.
All muslims are “walls”. No matter how much I point out Islam has NO basis or foundation biblically or scripturally; this falls on deaf ears!
All of you just ignore the serious implications that Islam is based on false assumptions!
Islams deception & desperation in trying to legitimize Islam by inserting Muh’d anywhere in our alleged ‘corrupt’ bible then saying we have the same b/c their god is also the God of Abraham is BUNK!
If there R words of God or words of prophets in the Bible that will not naturally make it the word of God, the word of God must be the words of God, it should not be Paul's word or other claimers.
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The OT & NT are words of God, not “allah”.
Allah made up its own words & even gave words to Jesus that Jesus never said.
Please find errors in the words of Jesus from the NT
Paul was “inspired” to speak thru the HS (Luke 12:12)Heb Heb 2:4, 3:7, 9:8, 10:15 (Matt 10:19-20)
when you say copy it should be coping word for word but I challenge you to provide two identical verses one from the Qur'an and the other one from the Bible and it is easy to get an Arabic Bible.
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Here is proof the quran copied from Zoroastrianism(ht tp : / / w ww. youtube. com/ watch? V = 5rTYvtwAZJ4), apocryphal gospels other than the bible just for starters. No spaces in links
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but when you Christians gentiles claim the Jews are chosen people of God and his covenant still stands it is illogical because Jews have been warned in the Bible for their rebellious attitudeand
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To God there are ONLY the Jews & Gentiles. There are NO muslims, Chrsitians , Buddhists, etc.
God has given His good news of salvation to all, not just the Jews. The Jews, much to Gods disappointment, have selected to worship other dieties
When I say Muslim it not the people call themselves Muslims or people with Muslim name but what it means is the one who submits his will to the will of God
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That is BS. The meaning of the word “submit” NEVER implied “allah” B4 Muh’d took control of the Ka’aba. It meant for the ‘submission’ thru jihad, of his warring opponents! Then the word was expounded to mean “rape”. Safiya & Rayhanah were forced to ‘submit’
the people who are honored in the sight of God are the people who fear God the most, losing his mercy.
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This is TRUE, but ONLY if it is the TRUE “ELOHIM” from the bible NOT the monotheistic “allah” from quran whose existence can be proven since “allah” is pre-Muh’d & once a PAGAN Meccan diety
Nowhere in Quran does it give any indication of corruption in bible, rather confirms bible as book 2 read, thus making quran obsolete. Bible didNOT change.
Sura 10:64 Allahs words canNOT be changed (Sura 6:115 & 18:27)
Sura 5:46 Law of Moses & Gospel words of allah, according to Quran (Sura 4:163-164)[Sura 10:94,37] [Sura 4:136,47] Sura 35:31, [Sura 3:3,48,49,50,81], [Sura 46:12,30] [Sura 2:41,89,91,97,101] Sura 6:92, Sura 12:111, Sura 37:37, Sura 61:6
Well Hagar was married to Abraham by his own wife Sara and the people who deny this truth are denier of truth the Jews and stupid Christians.
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The decision to impregnate Hagar was Sarahs choice. Sarah was skeptical & impatient about Gods plan & her barren womb whilst needing an heir ASAP. Thus Ishmael was a human plan whilst Isaac was Gods plan. Isaac was PROMISED to Sarah & Abraham.
Ishmael would’ve eventually KILLED Isaac had he not been [cast out]
Very funny, if Sara was imagination and you claim Ismael was human plan and Issac was God's plan. What an stupid joke! noting can happen without permission of God. So if I were to use the same logic; Jesus was put on the cross by people and how come that is a God's plan? Jesus did not walk up to the cross and crucified himself but somebody else did and he cried and accused God of betrayal and that show that God has nothing to do with his crucifixion.
Muslim claim all prophets R muslims b/c they submit or prostrate which is an abomination in statement alone; very criminal very mendacious & insidious by its intentions to deceive & pervert Gods words.
MUHD CLAIMED TO BE THE FIRST MUSLIM... in the following quranic Surahs: 6:14, 6:163, 39:12
No associate has He; and this am I commanded, and I am the first of those who submit. - Shakir S. 6:163
I am THE FIRST MOSLEM (almuslimeena).- Sale S. 6.163
You wrote: -QUOTE- So uv found new definition to meaning of the word prophet -UNQUOTE- Does a prophet: -marry 6 YR OLD then sex at 9? -HIT 6 yr child-wife in the chest? (Aisha 4.2127) -exhort men to treat women like SLAVES (as Hagar was)? (Q 4:34) Al-Tabari, Abu Jafar Muhammad b. Jarir. The History of al-Tabari. Vol.IX: The Last Years of the Prophet. Translated & annotated by Ismail K. Poonawala. State University of NewYork Press, Albany, 1990 (pgs 112-114) -abuse Gods laws like Lev 18:15?
Anything God says is always intelligent and logical can be proven by scientific means
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Isnt it interesting that ONLY Islam depends on science? There are NO miracles of human situations in the quran ONLY the generalized science they managed to plagiarize from past Greek learned men. Don’t you understand SCIENCE MEANS NOTHING? God can do the impossible & can ‘change’ science, math & absolutes!
Notice ---Allah--- refers to himself as "Khayrul-Makereen" which correctly translated means "Allah is the greatest of all deceivers." This is verified by looking up the root letters (Meem, Kaaf, and Rah) in an Arabic Dictionary such as Al-Mawrid:
Jesus did not walk up to the cross & crucified himself but somebody else did
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Of course someone else did! The corrupted Pharisees & Sadduccees turned jesus over to be crucified! Jesus was ruining their lucrative business inside the synagogues! This was all prophesied to happen!
I suppose you cant understand the mathematical impossibilities of this happening, ehhh?
but God rewards anybody who does good work and being kind to others and the reward for that will be given here and they will be losers in the hereafter.
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Of course there will losers! Countless! Matt 7:13-14
But even after Jesus forgave ur sins it is NOT safe!
Can you tell me the name of this song?
fallingleaves 6 months ago
Also you are trying too say this but what avail if this then true word why has it been hidden. But I digress then factz of then matter is you are only trying too cite from this book in all actuality this proving then jewish want of superiority question if jewish people are then choosen people how can Allah SWT promise heaven for anyone else. Also, name why then Kaaba was built and Ibrahim AS didnt who did.
stastreetzy 7 months ago
First then prophet muhammad saw did.not spare.any of the versions of then torah or then bible as obviously if this true thats means hey meant that was corrupted too.
stastreetzy 7 months ago
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merlijn1337 9 months ago
Unholy book promotes homosexuality,lesbianism, fornication,prostitution, alcoholism, gambling and other evils and if you read the Bible you can easily find who to screw your own daughter in law or screw your brother's wife, your mother, sister and I can go on and on but can you show me just one such thing in the Qur'an? You can quote only one thing that slay the unbelievers wherever you find them and everyone quote this verse OUT OF CONTEXT AS ALL THE OTHER VERSES.
AdorIslam 10 months ago
@AdorIslam What's written in the Bible is, for instance, as a command, not to sleep with your immediate family members. However, it was recorded that Lot was drunk and his daughters coerced him to sleep with them. It never condones it or tells you how to do it, so watch out how you judge it.
krononomikon 8 months ago
First of all you need to prove that Bible the word of God then you can talk about what Yahweh really commanded or accept what is acceptable to him
AdorIslam 10 months ago
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Fuck Islam !
Blackmailguy 11 months ago
I make it very simple for all the idiots on this thread that if YAHWA s the creator of all the heavens and the earth and in between, we have no problem in worshiping but the point here is the name of the creator of heaven and earth and in between is Allah in Arabic and he has so many other beautiful names as well. The Creator has taught us through his prophet that how we should worship him and glorify him and obey him as well. So we don't need to listen to the toilet papers to worship God.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
You wrote:
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So if you are seeking truth and interested in real truth then you need to buy those book written by famous historians and scholars.
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I do.
I have my bible which has all the proof written within it from outside sources & I have your quran to prove the bible is right. There is much in the quran & NOT in the bible making me ask the question:
If Islams “allah” is so wonderful why are muslims lying for it?
Why would a new religion copy characters from the bible?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
Yes, you have the Bible but it lacks truth that doesn't mean everything in the Bible is corrupted or distorted, there is truth, lies, distortion and twisted to suit the belief of the Jews and Christians but the Qur'an explains what you should accept and what you should reject. So please use your brain.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
@AdorIslam
You wrote:
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also when you cite an scholar, you just pick what they have said out of context or prom a site that is controlled by the bankrupt Jew or Christian.
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Are you a paranoid schizo?
Or do you just blatantly out N out HATE Jews & Christians?
Have you never met a muslim who hated enough they would decapitate Jews, Christians & muslims too?
Muh'd did.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
Ionly Quote the Word of Jesus,THE SERVANT(meaning son not literal) of God send by GOD to preach the message of God almighty! Jesus never was killed but protected by God ascended in the heaven n will descend One day destroying the evils of Satan n abolishing the falsehood of Mankind who commanded/created Jesus the creator Almighty God "my God n Ur God"=the One n only who is worthy of worship Allah(the God) Of All of Mankind!Amen May God bless u n Protect u for Satan n his misguidances Peace!
moeazysgc 1 year ago
@moeazysgc , Jesus Christ will NOT marry when He returns, There will be no marriages as HE said, and We are appointed to death only once. Peter agreed that Jesus was resurrected from the dead; 1Pe 1:3 ¶ Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, SO He does NOT have to die again..
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer
What is he a homosexual or a man without a dick? He ate, drank, pissed, defecated and got circumcised and he is man if he doesn't marry then there must be some thing terribly wrong with him. What do you think, does he got a penis or not does it erect or not? Can you idiot answer me? Jews call him a bastard, a homosexual, a liar, his mother a whore and you insult us while suck their dicks.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
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GodsSeer 1 year ago
@moeazysgc , All historical records agree that Jesus was crucified and Jesus Himself agreed; Mt 26:2 "You know that after two days is the Passover, and the Son of Man will be delivered up to be crucified." Satan HATES the fact that He was defeated by Christ's resurrection. Re 12:12 ¶ "Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time."
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@moeazysgc Jesus DID claim to be the SON of God; YES HE DID; Jesus claimed equality with the God the Father. "Jesus said to them, 'My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.' For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God" (John 5:17-18).
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@moeazysgc Jesus KNEW and said He is the SON of GOD; Joh 10:36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?
They said He was blaspheming because HE SAID HE IS THE SON OF GOD.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@moeazysgc When They asked Him if He is the SON OF God, He agreed He is;
Lu 22:70 Then they all said, "Are You then the Son of God?" So He said to them, "You rightly say that I am."
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@moeazysgc JESUS Christ claimed to have existed before Abraham;
"Then they asked him, 'Where is your father?' 'You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied. 'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
GodsSeer 1 year ago
Jesus worship/prayed n Preached of the One God the creator like all prophets before him does God Worship/Pray to himself? Is God commanded to preach his words to the lost sheep of Israel n if so by who?Another god?!Christianity was distorted n changed,Once Christianity accepts God as One n Only One deity without any partners,intermediates n other pagan beliefs(trinity) will they understand their religion cleanly n only until then will their confusions of God n contradictions End n See the truth!
moeazysgc 1 year ago
@moeazysgc His WORD is eternal. The Quran is NOT eternal. It was created. "The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8 God's WORD IS GOD; Joh 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Did God not SPEAK and say ''BE''? Are you saying HE created His own voice? Did He created HIMSELF?
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@moeazysgc ,Christians do not believe in THREE Gods, There is only ONE God, He is able to manifest Himself to us in three ways. As we are created in His IMAGE, SPIRIT, SOUL AND BODY, AND WE ARE ONE, He is Father, Son[Word] and Holy Spirit. As I am ONE SO IS HE.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@moeazysgc Jesus said; Mr 12:29 Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one. Then he said; Joh 10:30 "I and My Father are one."
GodsSeer 1 year ago
Christians have a serious sickness, they always assume things like Muhammad (S)had a family they were Christians so he copied from them or he had copied from Greek or the Arabs were pagan and they worship 360 idols so Allah is moon God. I know the Christians are sick and desperate but the Jews are even worse because they know Islam take over means their business based on lie that is media and the economy based on usury and immorality will die and they will die along with it.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
@AdorIslam , MUHD nor his family had any Christian contact, If they had, there would have been a little integrity that rubbed off somewhere. The fact is, they were all Jinn worshipers and that is why He was so demon possessed. He traveled a lot and stole stories from old wives tales Zoroastrians, and Jews that never Knew the Bible. Mohammad would be booted out from college faster than you can say "plagiarism" if he submitted his book.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer
Oh it's amazing that the Jinn worshipers do not even know the name of the Jinn for an instance Jesus or Mitra but they mention the name of the creator, not just a creator, 'Rabbil Arlameen, the Lord of the worlds and read carefully it is not just the world but world and also Muhammad (s) is the Ramatullil Arlameen means mercy to the worlds and that includes Jinn as well. So please stop spewing your total ignorance on Islam.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
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GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer
not just the world but world
Sorry, not the world but the worlds.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
Al-Tabary explains Surah 16:106 as verse reveald 2 Mohammed learning Ammar Ibn Yasser forced 2 deny his faith in Mohammed when kidnapped by Banu Moghera tribe. Mohammed consoled Ammar telling him, "If they turned, u turn." (Meaning: if captured again, deny me again.)
Similar passages clearly reveal that Muslims' unintentional lies R forgivable. Its clear if forced to do so, Muslims can lie while under oath & can even falsely deny faith in Allah, as long as they maintain faith in their hearts.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
Mohammed often lied & instructed his followers to do same. Example of sanctioned lying is assassination of Kaab Ibn al-Ashrf, a member of the Banu al-Nudair Jewish tribe. Muslim man, Ibn Muslima, volunteered 2 kill him on condition Mohammed would allow him 2 lie. W/Mohammed's consent, Ibn Muslima, went 2 Kaab told him fabricated stories(that reflected discontent about Mohammed's leadership) gained Kaab's trust lured him away from his house 1 night & murdered him under the cover of darkness.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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AdorIslam 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
Well, we Muslims don't give a damn about any of these books even if these books are called authentic unless the teaching of these books are in line with the teaching of the Qur'an and we consider these kinds of books are that of according to Mathew, Mark, Luke and John and these are anonymous book like the corrupted and distorted Bible. If you want to debate debate the Qur'an or the Hadith that are in line with the Qur'an or just forget it.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
Within Islam there R provisions lying is encouraged. Book "The spirit of Islam," by Muslim scholar, Afif A. Tabbarah written 2 promote Islam. Pg 247, Tabbarah states: "Lying is not always bad, 2B sure; there R times when telling a lie more profitable & better 4 general welfare & 4 settlement of conciliation among people, than telling truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (thru lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good."
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
Well, there are Muslim scholars and there are people call themselves scholars but the above mentioned scholars are not very much known to Muslims because there are other scholars and also when you cite an scholar, you just pick what they have said out of context or prom a site that is controlled by the bankrupt Jew or Christian. So if you are seeking truth and interested in real truth then you need to buy those book written by famous historians and scholars.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
@AdorIslam
You wrote:
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we consider these books […] Mathew, Mark, Luke and John […]corrupted & distorted Bible.
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Islam ONLY wishes they had such witnesses as Mark, Matthew, John & Luke. NOT ONE MUSLIM CAN FIND AN ERROR OR CONTRADICTION IN THE WORDS OF JESUS making their testimonies & the NT credible & valid!
These witnesses gave their depositions to a crime scene.
Not just one but 4 eyewitnesses gave us a great insight scenario of the life of Jesus & what He said & done.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
Well, you are a slow learner, what I said was that if we are to accept all the Hadith and books that are written by Islamic scholars and non-Islamic scholars then we would accept Mathew, Mark, Luke and John, here what I am saying is that these books are as good as the Bible but these books were compiled some 150 to 200 years later and the Bible 325 years later and also it was a crime to possess a copy of the Bible and if you were caught would be killed.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
@AdorIslam
You wrote:
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Well, we Muslims don't give a damn about any of these books even if these books are called authentic unless the teaching of these books are in line with the teaching of the Qur'an
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Ur willing to die for a book written 600 yrs after the original & calling the original “corrupt”?
Sorry, but the NEWER book(quran) shall NEVER judge the OLDER book(bible).
Islam has NO history but it seems as tho you dont care, right?
Fine, then why put Muh'd in the bible?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@AdorIslam
You wrote:
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What did Jesus say, did he say he would die for you or did he say you should worship him? Stop beating around the bush & quote the verses
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Both.
Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Heb 9:22 Rom 5:9 1 Cor 10:16 1 John 1:7 (John 3:16-17)(John 10:11)(Matt 20:28)(Mark 10:45)
Jesus also said He is God & He s/b worshipped (Matt 4:7 & 10)(Luke 4:8 & 12)
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
I am asking you to show me that verses where Jesus said I will die for you or worship me.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
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@AdorIslam
You wrote:
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You mean they are not allowed to screw with everybody like your mom, sister and daughters?
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Freedom doesn’t mean one has to go out & screw everybody. You see the ‘ugly’ side of people b/c you expect only the ugly side. All have free choice & free will to worship as they please.
Worship is NOT duty or from intimidation but a willingness to give ones heart & soul to God with JOY completely & selflessly.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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@AdorIslam
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There is no record of punishing women, children, old, young and innocents.
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Muhammad did NOT adhere to your Quran 9:6 & disposed of many INNOCENTS!
The old woman Umm who was torn apart by camels Hadith Tabari VIII:96
Or those burned alive? Ishaq:316
Or the 900+ boys who were beheaded 5-at-a-time & took all day. One can imagine their screams & cries of mercy. Were they ‘comforted’ by your COMFORTER? Tabari VIII:35, 38, 40/ Ishaq:464
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@AdorIslam
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finally God lost patience with the unbelievers and commanded the prophet to show them no mercy and finish them off
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Are you agreeing that Islam breeds & condones VIOLENCE as Dr. Zaik Nair states?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
Well, Islam is a living religion and also intelligent and logical too. So if you use violence then Islam will permit the followers to defend without transgression. For your information Islam doesn't teaches us to offer the other cheek but it is recommended to forgive because it is better in the sight of God. I would advise you to talk about Christianity so that we can talk about Islam. But It is stupid of you to be bent on insulting and abusing Islam, I think it is stupid of you.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
@AdorIslam
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I would advise you to talk about Christianity so that we can talk about Islam. But It is stupid of you to be bent on insulting and abusing Islam, I think it is stupid of you.
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Just show me ONE proof from your quran. Your quran is so full of lies I honestly don’t know where to start. Prove Jesus spoke as a baby or talked to allah, start there. Give an outside source.
Or Ishmael/Abraham went to Mecca or they were muslims. Abraham was Hebrew NOT a muslim.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
If you are accusing someone of lying and distortion, you should highlight the lies and distortion where as you are just claim the way you claim that Jesus to be your God.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
@AdorIslam
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For your information Islam doesn't teaches us to offer the other cheek but it is recommended to forgive because it is better in the sight of God.
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Islam NEVER forgives but KILLS. If this were true then according to your Quranic verse 9:6 all 900 boys would have been saved instead of beheaded. No one would have been beheaded or tortured or burned alive. But then, we ARE talking about Islam & Q 33:21, right?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@AdorIslam
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Well, Islam is a living religion and also intelligent and logical too. So if you use violence then Islam will permit the followers to defend without transgression.
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Islam is VIOLENT, yes. Islam is intelligent, yes … but ONLY to know how to deceive people better.
But Islam has instigated more violence than they have defended. Islam lies when they say they are peaceful & have no compulsion to violence
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@AdorIslam
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please get a Qur'an and read it yourself to verify the truth because most of the people want to live on lie and go to hell
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If the quran were to tell the truth, the quran would admit all the lies within & Islam would tell the world to openly convert or DIE!
But it cant, it has to DECEIVE everyone.
Islam is based on SEX, death, power, money, lies & more SEX
Muh'd had SEX B4 he died & will after hes dead & w/dead woman!
Muhd is a SEX addict
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@AdorIslam
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I advise those who read the verses posted by stupid Christians are lies;
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Ahhh, the religion of liars calling everyone else liars!
Hypocrite
PROVE I HAVE LIED!
Anything I have posted, I NOW CHALLENGE YOU TO PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@AdorIslam
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And also the verses they post on the videos are always distorted. I guarantee it
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You cant guarantee anything.
How can a prevaricator guarantee anything?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@AdorIslam
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Tell me what is the question that I have not answered, I can proudly say I can answer any question the people of the book or anybody else ask because I know they never ask anything intelligent.
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Why believe in a religion where your “allah” does NOT recognize, validate or sanction Islam, Muh'd, quran, Islam or allah? Ishmael was [cast out] & none of these words are in the bible.
So why believe in Islam that has NO foundation scripturally or biblically?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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@AdorIslam
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Whether I am lying or the people of the book are lying is recorded in the Qur'an
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Sorry, the quran? Havent we been thru this already? What gives the quran its alleged authority?
Your quranic scribes? Mere men who have allegedly memorized ‘different’ & incomplete quranic verses by those whom Muh’d did NOT like? Many of your true ‘memorzers were KILLED. Much of your “other variant Qurans” were BURNED!
AGAIN, WHERE IS THE AUTHORITY AGAIN?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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@AdorIslam
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BTW please don't quoting from your distorted records and call us liars because even the Bible that you quote and read is distorted.
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Then from what source would you want me to quote from? Your biased, prejudiced sources from Saudi Arabia ISLAMIC web sites? THEY HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION I DO!
Now PROVE, the scriptures I quote were different from when Islam was founded 1,400 yrs ago.
Prove they are ‘DISTORTED’ records!
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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@AdorIslam
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but you created your own fabrications and lies as most of the Islam haters before.
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Give me a break! That is the most stupidly ignorant statement YET made by any muslim!
Similarily, if I had made the same ignorant statement about you, I would have accused you of making up any biblical scriptures!
I wasn’t BORN to create the hadiths posted! Doesn’t this PROVE Islam is EVIL? Doesn’t this PROVE you have been conned?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@AdorIslam
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I Have answered these questions, confirm it again you really want the answers again and I will reply them again
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All muslims have commented same as you: “have already answered these questions”
As you THINK or ASSUME your answers are correct, understand they have NOT been fully discussed. You just cant answer & assume you are right or think your opponent assumes you are right. All muslims want to go to the next question w/o finishing the first completely
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
Tell me what is the question that I have not answered, I can proudly say I can answer any question the people of the book or anybody else ask because I know they never ask anything intelligent. And also the verses they post on the videos are always distorted. I guarantee it and I advise those who read the verses posted by stupid Christians are lies; please get a Qur'an and read it yourself to verify the truth because most of the people want to live on lie and go to hell
AdorIslam 1 year ago
I love my brother for the sake of God n only God the creator,I will pray for n plz pray 4 Me also! God Guides who seek his love,guidances n grace! May God Almighty take the hate n evil u have away from u n show u the truth,May God bless u n bless those close to U,May God shower U with Knowledge!Use the Brain God gave u n don't seal ur Heart,if u loved Jesus u would follow the commandments n pray(Salat)like he did,not eating swine like he did, worshiping the one God(not trinity) like he did! Amen
moeazysgc 1 year ago
God is not a Man he is exalted above this evil wick notion/concept/theory of Christians! Christians say Blasphemy things about God the Unseen lord of the universe comparing him to his creation(Jesus) God is the creator not the created,God does not defecated n Urinated,God is not born(Begotten) a sexually conception or through Incest(Jesus is God,God is Jesus) Bullshit this is a pagan belief inserted into Jesus religion by the council of Nicca like Zeus n his half human son Hercules,Pagan!
moeazysgc 1 year ago
@moeazysgc You understanding is shallow. There was no Jesus before He was born, He was the WORD of YHWH and He became flesh. God's WORD is GOD, Every part of GOD IS HIM.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer God word is not God,God created the word it was Jesus God creates All things But he is Not created! God is THE CREATOR because he creates No gives birth or becomes this is Blasphemy! U r dangeriouly mocking God when u say He gives birth to children or can change when he is unseen n has No form or shape that our imagination/Intellect can conceive/describe! U Christians think God is equal to humanity,"Wrong" He is the Unseen God of Abraham who sends Angles n prophets to warn Us! Peace
moeazysgc 1 year ago
@moeazysgc,, OK then, What part of GOD is NOT Him? If His WORD is less than He is, then what He says is of less importance. His Word then becomes weak and means nothing., So why should we believe any of it? David prophesied that YHWH'S Word is more important than His NAME; Ps 138:2 I will worship toward Your holy temple, And praise Your name For Your lovingkindness and Your truth; For You have magnified Your word above all Your name.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@moeazysgc . Can a mere man create from nothing? Jesus Christ Created from nothing. Who was IN HIM to do these things? Who was IN Jesus that He forgave sinners? Who was in Jesus that HE walked on the water and gave Peter the grace to do it? Who was in Jesus that He could cast out demons from a man who was so demon possessed he broke chains from his wrists? Who was in JESUS Christ that HE could raise a dead man after the man was rotting? Who was in CHRIST that He could heal the blind from birth?
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@moeazysgc . No one says that GOD has sex. Anyone with that accusation against GOD is silly to say the least on the verge of blaspheme. That is a filthy mind.Christ was not created, He is the creator. God's WORD is the creator. Christ was manifest in JESUS the man. He came through Him and is eternal. The Son of GOD IS eternal. All the prophets KNEW the Son of GOD.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
East or West ISLAM is the best.....
dowlet83 1 year ago
I have never come across a single Christian who can debate intellectually without insulting the prophet, the normally use their emotion and out burst at Islam because they cannot swallow the truth but they will loose the hereafter for worshiping and promoting gods beside God.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
@AdorIslam Anything we say about Him from His own records would insult him. Muslims LOVE to sweep his filth under the rug and present a fantasy picture of a man who tortured for fun, committed every sin against YHWH and then we are to lie and say he was good in some way?
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@AdorIslam The problem is, You cannot deny the crimes He committed without lying. If you really had a love of truth, You would admit that from his own records, he shows his own evil mind.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer
I don't consider fighting with those who fight is a crime or punish people who betray and indulge in immoral act. Read the Bible or I tell me I can post some of the crimes in the Bible. Well, I am not sure what is evil in your opinion, please enlighten me of evil and good.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
@AdorIslam The only difference in the crimes in the Bible and the crimes of MUHD, They are considered a sin in the Bible, but MUHD made his seem like good deeds, and he said his god gave him permission because he said he is superrior than everyone else and you believe his lie.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
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GodsSeer 1 year ago
@AdorIslam . Evil is MOTIVE. When the law of Moses said ''NO WORK on the Sabbath'' they accused Jesus of working on the Sabbath because He and His disciples healed on that day, raised the dead and picked grain to eat.Jesus told them,''I will have mercy and not sacrifice'' Mercy triumphs over the law.'' Muslims make women burkhas in the hot desert. NO mercy. I saw a video of Muslims holding a small boy's arm under a big truck, running over it because he stole bread to eat. CRUEL god.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
The Torah of Moses strictly forbids intermarriage in order to preserve a holy nation of Israel.
Deu 7:3 "Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son."
Well, now most of them are Gays. lesbians, adulterers. fornicators, and all kinds of evil on the planet, this has happened because God has sent the plague as he promised. The Kasarians are not the Semitic Jews.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
@AdorIslam The Gospel also does not allow Saints to marry Islamic pagans. We are not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer
You are an unbeliever because you believe in Paul the pagan.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
@AdorIslam You are a pagan because you follow a false god who is Satan and his prophet who did not stop at any sin. A god who teaches you to kill God's People as Jesus prophesied; Joh 16:2 "They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer
First of all you need to prove what paganism means then you knbow the term fits you like a glove.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
@AdorIslam Archaeological and historical records prove Islam is pagan..There is nothing to support you calling YHWH pagan.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer
well, you become a pagan when you worship a man, rock, animals, birds and humans but when you worship God alone you are not considered a pagan. In your case you worship a dead man, a coward and fool who supposed to have been killed by the Jews to proclaim that the was a false prophet and they were right if you believe he died.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
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GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer
Miracles? Even false prophet can perform, who said? Jesus, then why talk about miracles and no miracle saved Jesus according to your pagan belief.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
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GodsSeer 1 year ago
@AdorIslam The law of Moses was given to keep the race of the Jews pure for the sake of Christ who is the seed of Isaac. To prevent the PAGAN tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites; Moab and the Hagrites; Gebal, Ammon, and Amalek; Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre AND Assyria FROM INFILTRATING THE holy PEOPLE.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
hahahahaha u SUCK, fella.U have no evidence for anything here,just things which u created with your 49% of IQ.No Saten And u are included in , can not stop spreading of Islam even creating rubbish staff as 9/11 ALLAHU EKBER , nice to have people like you who unconsciously serving to Islam :-)
dowlet83 1 year ago
@dowlet83
“And indeed she (Sarah) is my sister!... and she became my (Abraham’s) wife.” Genesis 20:12
Hagar Abraham’s wife”…and (she Sarah) gave her (Hegar) to her husband to be his wife.” 16:3
AdorIslam 1 year ago
YOU MUST be kidding.... TORAH is the most corrupted holy book on this planet. Do want to learn why. Coz religion is nothing to do with nationality, if it would be so then Yehowa or how u call him would be ` discriminator ` and God has nothing to do with racism indeed. and Jewish people are the ones who executed their prophets and caused to suffer even their great prophet Moses .When it comes to moral YOU are the last people to judge the others and u fully deserved Roman Egyptian and Hittler
dowlet83 1 year ago
@dowlet83 You have been misguided.
Muhammad lost the path of true calling as messenger to Arabia when he was bewitched by Satan. When he and muslims escaped to Median in 622AD, he started to stray from the truth as he admitted that Satan threw in vanity into his desire Quran 22:52.
So Khadija the Christian wife of Muhammad was the Guardian angel over his doctrines in Mecca. After her death, Muhammad was demonized with many demonic words which did not come from Khadija nor Waraqa.
angellegion 1 year ago
@angellegion
You can go on and on with your diatri9be but you are asked to produce a single sura to prove your case so far 1450 years no one has come up with a single challenge. So I conclude that you are making noses and no substance, please at least show me a verse that is in the Bible also in the Qur'an, I mean identical one since all the people of the claim he copied from the Bible. Hating Islam without using your faculties will lead you to hell.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
The truth is God covenants are condition attached and there are everlasting as long as the covenant is not breached, the criminal Jews have breached and they were waned and cast out later.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
In purely knowing or understanding the WILL OF GOD, we find:
1) God didnt plan on Ishmael. God planned on Isaac
2) By this I mean, Ishmael was a human choice human decision on the part of Sarah. Isaac was preordained by Gods promise to Abraham
3) God named Isaac directly! While an angel named Ishmael
4) God allowed Ishmael to be "cast out" & is why God called Isaac, Abrahams ONLY son
5) God established a covenant w/Isaac B4 he was even BORN!
6) Only thru Isaac & Jacob Gen 28:13-14 & Q 29:27
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
I will give unto thee (O Abraham) the land where in though art the stranger, all the land of Canaan (Palestine) for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.” Genesis 17:18 Also Genesis 13:15 and Exodus 32:13.
“And he (God Almighty) gave him (Abraham) the land wherein it, No, Not so much to set his foot upon; but he (God) promised that he would give it to him for a possession.” Act 7:5
The Bible is physically molested book, I mean distorted by the Jews
AdorIslam 1 year ago
@AdorIslam
I don’t understand why you have posted these biblical verses.
How are they helping Islams position?
How does “allah” endorse Islam when “allah” [CAST OUT] Ishmael & calls Isaac Abrahams ONLY son?
The 12 princes of Ishmael? Are Ishmaels sons in Genesis 25:13-16
NO prophets shall come from Ishmael who is NO LONGER the son of Abraham according to “allah”
All prophets will come from Isaac & Jacob Gen 28:13-14
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
Yes, you are a clown and you don't understand your own Bible. I showed you from the Bible that your have been cast out and cursed and also showed Ismael was the only son God had for 13 years and now you want to speak for God. Where does God say that he will not bring a prophet form Abraham's other lineage. Ismael was also a prophet because prophet of God's sons too are prophets too.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
Then how come Aron is a prophet too. He is the brother of Moses.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
Why don't you quote the verse 29:27 I have already looked into the Qur'an and find nothing to support your argument. In this verse , it talks about Abraham's progeny Issac and Jacob pointing to the other lineage of Abraham, so if you are accepting that then you have to accept the person who brought the revelation to you as well or reject it totally. Where does the Qur'an says Ismael was cast out; the Bible says he was blessed.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
@voiceofreasoning
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Then how come Aron is a prophet too. He is the brother of Moses.
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Aaron, Lot, Ishmael & Adam were NEVER prophets to GOD.
God dealt with ONE-PROPHET-AT-A-TIME!
Aaron was a prophet to Moses, NOT to God. As Moses was a prophet to God, so too was Aaron a prophet to Moses. God said Moses will be like a ‘God’ to Pharoah & that Aaron will be his prophet (Ex 7:1)
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
So you have found new definition to the meaning of the word prophet as such you are receiving the world's best award for idiots.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
@voiceofreasoning
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In this verse , it talks about Abraham's progeny Issac and Jacob pointing to the other lineage of Abraham, so if you are accepting that then you have to accept the person who brought the revelation to you as well or reject it totally.
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There is NO prophethood thru Ishmael, PERIOD! You have NO scriptural proof.
This means Islam is a false religion & Muh’d is a false prophet.
In Gen 22:2, 12 & 16; GOD confirms that Abraham has ONLY one son, Isaac.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
If you find this kind of verses in the Bible then it is the Jewish hand at work as usual. In the first place why should chose a people who are rebellious and arrogant and promote immorality and absurdities? If they are chosen then why are they always live on all kinds of evil and get slaughtered by the Christians, for instance Crusaders and Hitler and also all most all the Christian nations have kicked them out of their country and dump them at our doorstep, They are cursed.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
@voiceofreasoning
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Please stop beating around the bush and take up the challenge. The book itself is a miracle because Muhammad (S) was an unlettered person
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There were many illiterate people like Muh’d back then. He empowered himself by inventing a religion. He KILLED any who besmirched, excoriated or repudiated Islam. This is Islams TRUE meaning of “submission”; to convert believe by threat of death. Does one need to be ‘lettered’ to kill?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
If you are saying or the Bible saying then the Bible is wrong, God has blessed Ismael in your own Bible and tell me how many times do you want me to post them? Bible is not a word of God either to accept everything which is written there and accepting Bible as the word of God itself is enough to throw the people of the book into deepest hell. Definitely Bible is distorted to suit the Jews and the stupid Christians.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
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@voiceofreasoning
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by producing a couple of Suras and it wants to make it easy for you by offering the minimum you can do or find yourself in hell.
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The Suras to hell are found ONLY in Islam. Your doctrine to lie is ONLY found in Islam. Sura 4:157, for example, calls Jesus a liar. Jesus prophesied His own crucifixion & resurrection in Matt 26:2 & Matt 20:18-19 yet this Sura refutes this & calls Jesus a liar. DOES JESUS LIE? John 8:46
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@voiceofreasoning
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Why don't you quote the verse 29:27 I have already looked into the Qur'an and find nothing to support your argument.
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U kidding? U think that was the ONLY verse?
Q 19:49, Q 12:38 & Q 29:27 & Q 6:84 & Q 21:72 & Q 38:45 Q 14:7
God further proves the seed will pass thru Isaac then thru Jacob in Gen 28:13-14 & Numbers 24:17-19
Proves Islam has NO foundation scripturally or biblically thru Ishmael
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
I am not asking the references but quote them here with the references so that others can read your lies. Ismael's people will be fruitful means God will replace them with his people and he did.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
What do you mean who cares? God cares every word he says because God is not a man nor son of a man where he can change his words or minds. It is your Bible make this assurance and you deny that and call God is a man. Well Hagar was married to Abraham by his own wife Sara and the people who deny this truth are denier of truth the Jews and stupid Christians.The book the Bible is corrupted by them to claim everything for them where as God is not a private company of the Jews.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
@voiceofreasoning
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Bible is not a word of God either to accept everything which is written there and accepting Bible as the word of God itself is enough to throw the people of the book into deepest hell
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Listen to urself! Uv called Gods word in OT & NT a lie! The bible comes w/proof outside the bible. The quran doesn’t; YET u will follow the quran despite it being w/o evidence? You will believe the mendacious words of mere men over Gods inspired words? Jeremiah 17:5
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
If there are words of God or words of prophets in the Bible that will not naturally make it the word of God, the word of God must be the words of God, it should not be the Paul's word or the other claimers. BTW I talking to walls?
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
@voiceofreasoning
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the Bible is wrong, God has blessed Ismael in your own Bible & tell me how many times do u want me to post them?
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God has BLESSED Ishmael & gave him 12 princes in Genesis 25:13-16
But how did Islam TRANSLATE word “blessed’ to mean “prophethood”?
Or word ‘blessed” to mean a COVENANT for Ishmael?
Or word ‘blessed’ mean God is calling the seed of Ishmael especially when Ishmael was [cast out]? God appeared to all except Ishmael (Ex 6:3)
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@voiceofreasoning
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The book the Bible is corrupted by them to claim everything for them where as God is not a private company of the Jews.
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How is the bible corrupted? Wheres the proof? By saying the bible is corrupted YOU HAVE CALLED GOD A LIAR!
If our bible is corrupted then why does Islam desperately try to find Muh’d in our corrupted Book? Our bible is NOT corrupted despite how many there are b/c all bring the same message of hope from Jesus
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
Not a single verse in the Arabic Qur'an is identical or word for word, when you say copy it should be coping word for word but I challenge you to provide two identical verses one from the Qur'an and the other one from the Bible and it is easy to get an Arabic Bible. Please try it or shut the fuck up.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
@voiceofreasoning
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Don't waste my time writhing down stupid things over and over again.
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How am I wasting ur time? Give me an honest answer with PROOF!
Or can YOU NOT HANDLE THE TRUTH?
How can YOU justify being a muslim when God from the bible does NOT endorse, sanction or validate Islam? Not only is Islam, quran, Muh’d, allah or muslim NOT found in the bible but GOD never called for Muh’d to be prophet after [casting out] Ishmael & calling Isaac Abrahams ONLY son!
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
First thing first, please prove it to me that the Bible is the word of God where God command everybody to follow his book.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
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@voiceofreasoning
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Well we are not feeling insecure because we don't believe in tomorrow because we don't know whether we will be there. You worried and need your troop to die
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Islam is the insecurity for those in Islam who thirst for truth. Islam is based on deception & forces all who defend it to LIE. If allah is so omnipotent why do muslims LIE for it?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@AdorIslam ..If you agree with the Bible that Ishmael was 13 when Isaac was born. How old was Ishmael when Abraham cast him and his mother out according to the Quran?
GodsSeer 1 year ago
jefeisdguard
Islamic position doesn't depend on the Bible or the Jews or the Christians or any other, the truth is according to the Bible which I quoted here blessed means it can be anything that God bless but anyway Muhammad (S) is the greatest prophet and he did not die on the cross and Jews couldn't do anything to him the so called chosen people are living in misery ever since they were cat out. Read the Qur'an then you know what I am talking about but the Bible is not the word of God anyway
AdorIslam 1 year ago
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
Well, there are older books that are older than the bible and Bible is the book contain may manuscript written by more than 40 people in which a single manuscript is called Gospel of Jesus. Qur'an is the word of God because it contain so many characters to be one where as Bible lack a clean bill of health and word of God means direct from God not according to Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. Did you see it? Not even written by them but according to them.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
The Qur;an has been well documented by Muslims and as well as non-Muslims who were truthful people but the Bible is not well documented but distorted by the Jews and Christians in writhing and with their tong. We have Islamic history and the authentic traditions of the Prophet and his companions and the Qur'an itself convince even a dumb, deaf and blind to accept it as the pure word of God.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@AdorIslam
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The Qur;an has been well documented by Muslims and as well as non-Muslims who were truthful people but the Bible is not well documented but distorted by the Jews and Christians in writhing and with their tong
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Have asked for proof of Islams history beyond 1,400 yrs ago.
None is forthcoming by any muslim.
The lie here is that muslims contend all prophets were muslims YET there is NO mention of a “muslim” 2,000 yrs ago in ANY BOOK!.
Explain
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
If you are looking for Arabic word Islam in your Bible you will not find it because Islam means total submission to the will of God. I can show you Submitted his will to the will of God in the Bible. Oh my Father, remove this cup from me if you will not as I will (I am not sure about the exact Quote or reference in the Bible). So every prophet submitted his will to the will of God and they are called Muslims in Arabic.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
@AdorIslam
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And Abraham's second wife was legal as as the first wife and we Muslims don't take the Bible, Jews and Christians seriously because they are born liars
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So, from a religion like Islam that advocates “LYING”, YOU now say all Jews, Christians & bible lie, right? Maybe Abraham NEVER impregnated Hagar & this was all made up!
Ishmael was sired by a mountain goat!
Muh’d is a born liar b/c hes a muslim.
Why believe in ur god when U have to lie for him too?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
Islam advocate lying? Prove it to me by the verse and reference.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
@AdorIslam
Please read the Arabic Bible to find Arabic word for God Allah. So Muslim is an Arabic word. The problem with Christians most of the words are translated to English, for an instance Paraceletus is a Greek word, translate that, means praised one, translate that into Arabic means Muhammad. So similarly you have translated everything and distorted the meanings to lie. So please stop looking for something that you have distorted it. Paraceletus also means comforter.
AdorIslam 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
Tell me how you trust there was a man called Moses or Jesus or the Bible is the word of God because the proof is not in the Bible or any outside source except the Qur'an talks about the scriptures as such as Torah and the Gospel. Qur'an is not asking you to believe for the sake of belief and ask you hundreds of intelligent and logical question. What makes you believe God spoke to Moses or Jesus where is the proof which you are asking me but the Qur'an challenge you to prove..conti
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
@voiceofreasoning
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If you find this kind of verses in the Bible then it is the Jewish hand at work as usual.
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Are you this ignorant? Can you just step outsaide yourself for a second & really truly become a reasonable person? Your YT moniker is “voiceofreason’.
Are you also one w/reasonable mind? Have you ever considered the alternative? That Islam is truly a religion w/NO basis or foundation from the bible but created insidiously?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
Anything God says is always intelligent and logical can be proven by scientific means and other means but when you Christians gentiles claim the Jews are chosen people of God and his covenant still stands it is illogical because Jews have been warned in the Bible for their rebellious attitude and then cursed and taken the kingdom of God away from them and given it to a nation that bear fruits and that is Muslims. God created man only to worship him and not for any other purposes.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
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BTW I talking to walls?
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All muslims are “walls”. No matter how much I point out Islam has NO basis or foundation biblically or scripturally; this falls on deaf ears!
All of you just ignore the serious implications that Islam is based on false assumptions!
Islams deception & desperation in trying to legitimize Islam by inserting Muh’d anywhere in our alleged ‘corrupt’ bible then saying we have the same b/c their god is also the God of Abraham is BUNK!
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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If there R words of God or words of prophets in the Bible that will not naturally make it the word of God, the word of God must be the words of God, it should not be Paul's word or other claimers.
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The OT & NT are words of God, not “allah”.
Allah made up its own words & even gave words to Jesus that Jesus never said.
Please find errors in the words of Jesus from the NT
Paul was “inspired” to speak thru the HS (Luke 12:12)Heb Heb 2:4, 3:7, 9:8, 10:15 (Matt 10:19-20)
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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when you say copy it should be coping word for word but I challenge you to provide two identical verses one from the Qur'an and the other one from the Bible and it is easy to get an Arabic Bible.
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Here is proof the quran copied from Zoroastrianism(ht tp : / / w ww. youtube. com/ watch? V = 5rTYvtwAZJ4), apocryphal gospels other than the bible just for starters. No spaces in links
ht tp : / / w ww. youtube. com/ watch? V = rTUnyRwJmb8 & feature = email
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@voiceofreasoning
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but when you Christians gentiles claim the Jews are chosen people of God and his covenant still stands it is illogical because Jews have been warned in the Bible for their rebellious attitudeand
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To God there are ONLY the Jews & Gentiles. There are NO muslims, Chrsitians , Buddhists, etc.
God has given His good news of salvation to all, not just the Jews. The Jews, much to Gods disappointment, have selected to worship other dieties
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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@voiceofreasoning
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When I say Muslim it not the people call themselves Muslims or people with Muslim name but what it means is the one who submits his will to the will of God
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That is BS. The meaning of the word “submit” NEVER implied “allah” B4 Muh’d took control of the Ka’aba. It meant for the ‘submission’ thru jihad, of his warring opponents! Then the word was expounded to mean “rape”. Safiya & Rayhanah were forced to ‘submit’
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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@voiceofreasoning
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the people who are honored in the sight of God are the people who fear God the most, losing his mercy.
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This is TRUE, but ONLY if it is the TRUE “ELOHIM” from the bible NOT the monotheistic “allah” from quran whose existence can be proven since “allah” is pre-Muh’d & once a PAGAN Meccan diety
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
Sura 10:94 tells muslims to read the bible
Nowhere in Quran does it give any indication of corruption in bible, rather confirms bible as book 2 read, thus making quran obsolete. Bible didNOT change.
Sura 10:64 Allahs words canNOT be changed (Sura 6:115 & 18:27)
Sura 5:46 Law of Moses & Gospel words of allah, according to Quran (Sura 4:163-164)[Sura 10:94,37] [Sura 4:136,47] Sura 35:31, [Sura 3:3,48,49,50,81], [Sura 46:12,30] [Sura 2:41,89,91,97,101] Sura 6:92, Sura 12:111, Sura 37:37, Sura 61:6
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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Well Hagar was married to Abraham by his own wife Sara and the people who deny this truth are denier of truth the Jews and stupid Christians.
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The decision to impregnate Hagar was Sarahs choice. Sarah was skeptical & impatient about Gods plan & her barren womb whilst needing an heir ASAP. Thus Ishmael was a human plan whilst Isaac was Gods plan. Isaac was PROMISED to Sarah & Abraham.
Ishmael would’ve eventually KILLED Isaac had he not been [cast out]
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard
Very funny, if Sara was imagination and you claim Ismael was human plan and Issac was God's plan. What an stupid joke! noting can happen without permission of God. So if I were to use the same logic; Jesus was put on the cross by people and how come that is a God's plan? Jesus did not walk up to the cross and crucified himself but somebody else did and he cried and accused God of betrayal and that show that God has nothing to do with his crucifixion.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
Qurans CORRUPTED & in serious error.
Muslim claim all prophets R muslims b/c they submit or prostrate which is an abomination in statement alone; very criminal very mendacious & insidious by its intentions to deceive & pervert Gods words.
MUHD CLAIMED TO BE THE FIRST MUSLIM... in the following quranic Surahs: 6:14, 6:163, 39:12
No associate has He; and this am I commanded, and I am the first of those who submit. - Shakir S. 6:163
I am THE FIRST MOSLEM (almuslimeena).- Sale S. 6.163
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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@voiceofreasoning
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Please try it or shut the fuck up.
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Are you getting frustrated? Cant handle the truth about Islams deception?
It is at this point YOU can see that it is getting more difficult for muslims to keep lying to cover up Islams lies. You have NO proof, bottom line
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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@voiceofreasoning
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Not a single verse in the Arabic Qur'an is identical or word for word,
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Doesn’t have to be.
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jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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@voiceofreasoning
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Anything God says is always intelligent and logical can be proven by scientific means
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Isnt it interesting that ONLY Islam depends on science? There are NO miracles of human situations in the quran ONLY the generalized science they managed to plagiarize from past Greek learned men. Don’t you understand SCIENCE MEANS NOTHING? God can do the impossible & can ‘change’ science, math & absolutes!
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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Notice ---Allah--- refers to himself as "Khayrul-Makereen" which correctly translated means "Allah is the greatest of all deceivers." This is verified by looking up the root letters (Meem, Kaaf, and Rah) in an Arabic Dictionary such as Al-Mawrid:
---Surah 3:54---
One of allahs 99 attributes mirrors that of Satan.
Al-Mutakabbir = The Greatest = The Proud One = is also Satans attribute
Deceive = lie = doctrine of lying = Al Tekayya = Islam
Pt 2 of 2
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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@voiceofreasoning
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Jesus did not walk up to the cross & crucified himself but somebody else did
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Of course someone else did! The corrupted Pharisees & Sadduccees turned jesus over to be crucified! Jesus was ruining their lucrative business inside the synagogues! This was all prophesied to happen!
I suppose you cant understand the mathematical impossibilities of this happening, ehhh?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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So if I were to use the same logic; Jesus was put on the cross by people and how come that is a God's plan?
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Gods plan? Ohhhh yeah since Gen 3:15! Hundreds of prophesies detailing the horrible ordeal Jesus would have to go thru! Isaiah 53:5 & Isaiah 25:8
Even the first 10 names of the bible from Adam to Noah in their meanings prophesy Jesus’ coming!
Did Jesus LIE when He prophesied His own CRUCIFIXION & Resurrection?
Islams quran says YES! Sura 4:157
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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@voiceofreasoning
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but God rewards anybody who does good work and being kind to others and the reward for that will be given here and they will be losers in the hereafter.
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Of course there will losers! Countless! Matt 7:13-14
But even after Jesus forgave ur sins it is NOT safe!
Read Hebrews 10:26 & 38-39
jefeisdguard 1 year ago