Is Pornography Free Speech or something else?

[Lieu3C4]

1:36 What a load of bullshit, the implications of which are resonant as a tin can. Needless to say, the underlying hypocrisy of our society is most to blame in this regard, so far as exploitation of women by addiction and fear and the relegation of men by ridicule and no one near goes where with and by pornography it shows. Censorship of an intelligent species by an intelligent species for an intelligent species hardly constitutes good governance.

[EyeLean5280]

People who wish to eradicate pornography claim they're protecting children, but the real effect would be to infantalize adults. Censorship subverts adult decision making and puts the public under the kind of authoritarian rule these crusaders probably experienced at the hands of their parents, where intimate decisions (eg: what images shall I consume?) are made for them by those in authority.

[EyeLean5280]

...As for actual children, it's pretty easy to keep them away from pornography. Just DON'T GIVE THEM THEIR OWN COMPUTERS! It's that simple. Keep a family computer in a common space, such as the dining room, and make sure you're around when they're using it for homework or entertainment. That's all.

[tigerbaiter1]

No, pornography isn't free speech, because it isn't speech. Speech is words that communicate ideas, concepts and beliefs that are processed by the higher intellectual functions, pornography is visual stimulus that has the same effects that drugs do, and works on the non-speech part of the brain.

[TangoAlphaDelta]

@5:03 "it just keeps popping up and you can't help it"... lmfao.. that means two things!

[annabrixthomsen]

If you would not yourself accept the acts in porn to be done to you, to your body, if you would consider and experience it as abusive or painful, if you would do it as an only option of making money or getting positive attention - then how can you justify it being done to someone else as "freedom of speech"? - By claiming that freedom of speech being the most important aspect of our lives, we're tacitly justifying abuse and suffering - just because we have the "freedom" to be entertained by it.

[EyeLean5280]

@annabrixthomsen - not all porn is the same. Claiming it is all "abuse and suffering" is disingenuous.

[DanceswithUtube]

Pornography = HATE SPEECH

[Avatarass]

I watch porn to jerk off, so does everyone. What kind of a retard would call it art?

[theyellowchameleon]

...Spanking (35.7%), gagging (27.7%), and open-hand slapping (14.9%) were the most frequently observed physically aggressive acts. Other physically aggressive acts recorded included a character’s hair being pulled (10.1%), choking (6.7%) and some form of bondage or confinement. Women were overwhelmingly the victims of such aggression" (page 18 of "Aggression and Sexual Behavior in Pornography" 2006, R. Wosnitzer, E. Scharrer, A. Bridges, C. Sun, and R. Liberman.

[Thelaofkazi]

@theyellowchameleon

What are you trying to say with this? That pornography causes violence? I think it's obviously the other way around. Our society's more violent tendencies, our openness to it compared to sex here in the US, has resulted in media that is generally explores more violent themes. Our lives are filled with violence, we have the higher murder rates, gun crime rates, and rape rates compared to other developed countries. What we create and consume is a reflection of that.

[theyellowchameleon]

"There was also an interesting study done in 2006 which did a content analysis of 304 scenes from 50 of AVN's top-rated movies. "Across all scenes, a total of 3,376 verbal and/or physically aggressive acts were observed. On average, scenes had 11.52 acts of either verbal or physical aggression, and ranged from none to 128. Physical aggression was much more common than verbal aggression, occurring in 88.2% of the scenes, while expressions of verbal aggression occurred in 48% of the scenes...

[RealHipHopTunes]

the illuminati run porn, they're not going to censor porn because they allow porn to exist, it's their plan and it's always been,

[doctorrin]

I'm not concerned with kids looking at it at all...But I question why nobody in vid is talking about the content itself...Porn is not just fucking in a costume on camera anymore. It has recently become a bunch of spitting/choking/slapping of women while fucking them...A huge scene of degradation, and we all get off on it...

Who gives a fuck about children, save the adults.

[themusicalgirl86]

Just because an industry makes a lot of money doesn't mean it is not immoral. It just means there's a lot of demand for it. Does this mean a rich drug dealer is a saint? What about con artists?

Money does not make something right or wrong. It's just there.

[chocolatepoundcake]

WOW @ 4:48

He's so young & makes a great point. Gives me hope...

[FlankerVT]

if porn was so wrong, it wouldn't be making so much money. A lot of people seem to think its good. If you don't want your kids looking at it, then get a parental control system for your computer, and stop complaining.

[chocolatepoundcake]

Gurghhh...is that really all your mind can fathom on this subject? I am shocked, really. You must be kidding.

[FlankerVT]

chocolatepoudcake, you fruity bastard

What's wrong with you? Why are you taking it so seriously? Do you have issues? Whatever.

To all of you who gave me thumbs down, you can suck my balls!!!

[chocolatepoundcake]

"Chocolatepoundcake, you fruity bastard"..LOLOLOL, I LOVE IT!!!!!!

I'll remember that one!!

[kissfan7]

"if porn was so wrong, it wouldn't be making so much money"

This is an insanely silly argument to be making. One could easily replace "porn" with any other business like drugs, child porn, nuclear weapons, illegal guns, stolen property, or whatever. Slavery made a lot of money, do you think that was wrong?

Make all the arguments about the First Amendment you want, but that particular argument was a pretty stupid thing to say.

[FlankerVT]

I don't care, I really don't. Call the argument stupid if you want. but sometimes, all that matters is the bottom line.

[icephoenix88]

fuck censorship. if one wins to try n ban websites like these it will be a dark day.....cos every fucker alive wants to ban summing they don't like such as salvia or buying guns online. porn will never EVER die. too much money to be made haha. so any shithead who tries to ban stuff like this, through complaints petitions WILL be ignored . system is not in favor of you. just shut up n keep your head down if you don't wanna look a fool. im sooo gonna get hated but i love ya for it xD

[ThePolfran]

Did english language and others become so vague that we see no difference between "speech" and "pornography"?

Porn should be banned.

[icephoenix88]

there are worse things than porn tbh. it shouldn't be banned.

[tattypatty]

fuck you.Who the hell decides what is pornographic and what isn't? Should Robert Mapplethorpe be banned? What about Jello Biafra's obscenity trial (google it).

[worriedaboutlife]

according to this book pornographic images universally cause aggressive impulses in men - also I remember seeing an article about a scientific study which found that men become more competitive after being exposed to pornographic images

[worriedaboutlife]

Pornography in liberia (hoping I'm not confused on specifics - might be thinking of sierra leone but this practice in africa is pretty universal ) was used as well as drugs to indoctrinate children kidnapped from their parents villages to turn them into stone cold killers/rapists.. also have you ever read a book by Micheal Hollenbeq - can't remember name first one. about free love, porn and sexuality and maleness - quite interesting

[JohnKiller118]

0:48 to 1:00

Exactly.

Even if you dont like porn, having it banned would just be the beginning. Censorship knows no art or limit. Books will be burned, art houses would be torn down. Writers will no longer have a way of expressing itself.

But why stop there? Now that the government realizes they can censor like crazy, they can block information. Trick the people into giving away their freedom. America would turn into a fascist state. All just because you dont want your kid to see tits.

[icephoenix88]

porn has no effect on children. what u gona do bubble wrap ur children. wtf talk to em , teach em values , its only porn . n no i should be censored. its not like they killing any1. there is far worse out there to be worried about then porn

[JohnKiller118]

Poor grammer aside, I agree with you.

Parents aren't parenting anymore.

[SupaManCA]

porn isn't good for u, i can't look at this industry the same after recovering, i see them as drug lords

[DarkSta77]

Legislation has recently been passed by the Indonesian parliament that bans pornography in that (Islamic) country. The bill defines pornography as "sexual materials in the form of drawings, sketches, illustrations, photographs, text, sound, moving pictures, animation, cartoons, poetry, conversations or any other form of communicative messages."Yes CONVERSATION! Democracy is not freedom. True freedom is the absence of government control over individual rights.

[ioploki]

Pornography has never been protected by the first amendment, any more than libel or slander. Speech is not protected when it constitutes a harmful act.

The first amendment is to protect political discourse and dissent, not pictures of men ejaculating in women's faces.

[JohnKiller118]

I don't consider "men ejaculating in women's faces" as a harmful act. Just a disgusting one. There's no law against being disgusting. Otherwise, Chris-Chan would be on death row by now! (Look him up.)

Censorship is wrong and will always be wrong. Think for yourself, not some big daddy.

[BiniamBarcelona]

Pornography is not real love,it's simply lust and pleasure two partners get during the process of pornography but a lot of people love it

[utopiapraxis]

"Censorship is a tool that can only be used to stop speech, to stop freedom of ideas."

OH OKAY, so we shouldn't censor the attempts of the elite to brainwash society and render us slaves.

TURN OFF YOUR TV. STOP FUNDING HOLLYWOOD AND PORN. STOP WASTING TIME ON MIND CONTROL POP MUSIC.

NONE OF IT IS ART. IT IS INTENTIONAL VIOLENCE. IT SHOULD BE CENSORED.

[JohnKiller118]

Censorship will make us slaves.

Also, who are you to say what's art and what isn't? I don't think porn is art, but that doesn't mean I think it should be censored, except in obvious cases such as child porn.

Also, even if porn isn't art, that won't stop activist from promoting their bitching at what many consider art. Video games are art, but that isn't stopping Jack Thompson and Arnold the Governator from saying otherwise.

[worriedaboutlife]

yeah I agree with you.. so therefore I guess child porn is free speech.. footage of murder and rape are free speech.. lies are free speech

[JohnKiller118]

There are limits, of course.

Two grown men and women of legal age having sex on camera does not go over the limit.

Child porn, footage of rape and murder, these are over the limit and should be banned (which they are.)

[worriedaboutlife]

two grown men and women? you mean 4 people.. no I'm kidding.. to be honest I think that porn should be made more difficult to make a living out of and taxed more highly (legitmate porn) so as to fund programs for the many people who get damaged by the industry as it is in california - also one thing that really bugs me is asking the question of what pornography does to poorer societies arround the world.. ever read anything about the war in liberia?

[JohnKiller118]

Ah, good point.

Anyway, I agree with you.

However, I don't see the connection of porn and the War in Liberia. Then again, I only skimmed through the summary of it. Please, enlighten me.

[Hudsucker94]

Uh,no,no,and no on all counts right there.

[drthecat]

@utopiapraxis Nazi!

[hempbilly]

@utopiapraxis like you said turn off your tv but dont force someone else to do that

[utopiapraxis]

The trick they've used on us is convincing us this a constitutional issue. This is not a constitutional issue. Those who are actively seeking to abolish the constitution and implement a New World Order are the same elite cronies who own and control pornography for the purpose of depopulation.

They've fooled you into thinking this is about the constitution. Sorry.

[utopiapraxis]

"Legal product" ... who cares? It's wrong.

[TheUnityofOpposites]

Let me tell you all something (and your fierce downward pointing thumbs will not change this fact): there has been and always will be a desire for sexual entertainment. I find it hilarious that beaurocrats have the hubris to claim that they have the ability to staunch this natural desire. At least when pornography is legal, there is a professional standard to which filmers must adhere. As we've seen with the drug war, the elimination of a professional standard is when people get hurt.

[utopiapraxis]

The desire for heroin does not justify the distribution of heroin.

[aardvaarkman]

What's wrong with the distribution of heroin?

[utopiapraxis]

Kings use heroin for population control. They also use pornography.

[utopiapraxis]

Society has to change its way of looking at sex before laws can be established.

[questioningpornogry]

someone said, "it's not pornography's fault children watch it. it's the parents who educate them to do it.".....

sadly, it is becoming very difficult/impossible to shield children from pornographic images/values/videos....

many, many parents are saddened by this....how will it shape their sense of identity?...or their level of respect for girls/women/boys/men?.....thei­r opportunities for loving interactions?

[utopiapraxis]

I'm glad to see somebody's thinking critically about this! ;-)

[q1ax]

Freedom of speech is not always a good thing.

[utopiapraxis]

Precisely, and choices can be irresponsible.

[ponderbox]

I just read a story about a father who discovered is 7 year old boy was viewing pornography. When he asked where he was seeing it, the boy told him that it was his 9 year old neighbor who was showing it to him at the house next door. The dad knew the neighbor to be a good family and went and talked to them. The father of the 9 year old had no idea what was going on... in fact the 9 year old was bringing several of the neighborhood boys over to the house to view pornography in their basement.

[eclecticfire73]

he probably was getting it off his father...a nine year old boy cant buy porn...fathers often indictrinate their sons into the ways of sexual abusing others in porn (usually as way of normalising , or explaining sex to a child whilst usually sexually abusing the child themselves)...this is a commen thing sexually abusive fathers "pass on" to their sons

[head0r1z9r]

it's not pornography's fault children watch it. it's the parents who educate them to do it.

the internet was constructed to survive nuclear attacks. routes are changed within seconds. filters are a failure by design.

[utopiapraxis]

That's not true. My mother never encouraged me to look at porn but she did fail to explain why it's wrong. She gave me typical religious reasons which made no sense to me. Either way, I still looked at it because other boys were doing it and it distorted my point of view of women and as well as my own masculine identity.

[Jake0007]

What do you mean by, 'parents who educate them to do it'? Pornography pops up on a lot of innocent sounding searches.

Thats why children have to be supervised at all times while on the internet though.

[opossumland5]

You can only see porn by renting a movie or paying with a credit card on the internet. You will not see porn on pay cable television and you will not see porn for free on the internet. What you see for free on the internet and pay cable is nudity etc it is not porn. What these nazis want to do is treat indency the same as porn. Indency and porn are both legal and protected by the first amendment but they are treated different in law.

[opossumland5]

It to bad these morons dont know what there talking about. To say all a kid has to do on the internet to see porn is click is a bullshit lie. The type of stuff that you see for free on the internet by clicking yes is not porn. The stuff that you see for free on the internet is nudes and other type of stuff it is not legally defined as porn. The only war to watch porn on the internet is to pay by using a credit card.

[opossumland5]

judith nazi reisman is a freedom hating member of the american taliban. hey resiman will burkas be enough covering.

[opossumland5]

The first amendmdent will stand.

[opossumland5]

Porn is free speech and protected by the first amendment. If free speech hating scum dont like it move to afaganistan. Furthermore there is no such thing as soft core porn. Its either porn or its not. Porn is what some people call hard core porn. This is no such thing as soft core porn. Nudity is not porn. Futhermore industries are not forcing what you call soft core porn on me. When i drive down the interstate i dont see hard or what you call soft core porn.Are you calling bikinis soft cor

[beenBenstillam]

Also, I have the right to look at what I want to as well, and I don't want to look at porn. Yet industries force me to everyday. Soft core porn is violating my rights all the time. I can't drive down the interstate with my eyes closed.

[beenBenstillam]

It is a universal truth that pornography WILL destroy your connection with the Author of true happiness and your ability to experience true happiness. Your choice and I'll fight for your choice. I'll also fight to love you enough to convince you that you're truly 'knocking yourself out'.

[FuckLebs]

how annoying is that fat chick with the glasses

[zombiemcflurry]

Gee well unles someones peeling open your eyes and forcing you to read it then lay off!

[alphathewolf]

that's bullshit. Porn is not addictive...is that's true video games are just as bad fucking loser.

[EntertainedWatcher]

"it will destroy your marriage, your family, your life"

lolz

[missjollyboys]

i don't know why these people can't say "Can"

it "can" destroy your life but that doesn't mean that it necessarily "will" destroy it.