@HDTVShootout One thing I have noticed in almost all the videos, but that has not been mentioned at all, is the response time/input lag of the sets. The Panasonic seems to display the source image visibly quicker than any of the other sets. I know that this has a particular effect on gaming, but does it have an impact on any other aspect of real-world viewing?
However, everyone including the pros were agreeing that if the color decoding issue is corrected by the Elite team. The PRO-60X5FD will definitely be the clear cut King of PQ.
To read the detail voting result, please go to our website.
@HDTVShootout so you're not of the view that there's a fundamental different look to LCD and plasma PQ, whereby LCD can be described as sharper, harsher and maybe flatter looking, vs plasma being more gritty and 3D looking?
@MrKwameR Those words you described between LCD and Plasma are more generalization for the lower end and older generation products in my opinion. At these higher-end sets, these arguments of LCD vs. Plasma are not as applicable. However, two fundamental limitations of the two technologies still apply, namely limited viewing angle of the LCDs and brightness limitation on the plasmas.
@HDTVShootout one other thing I was curious about regarding screen uniformity....do you think that the best edge lit LCD has equal or better screen uniformity than the best CCFL LCD?
@MrKwameR In the latest LCD development, I believe all manufacturers have used LED (edge or back lit) on their higher end set whereas CCFL are only used in budget sets. Therefore, the screen uniformity on the LED sets are better than CCFL in general.
Although we did not explicitly test any 3D materials, all three LCD/LED contenders (Elite, Samsung, and Sony) have excellent to perfect screen uniformity. In terms of black level, the numbers just don't lie and the Elite is definitely the clear cut winners followed by almost a tie between Sony and Samsung.
In terms of pure PQ on Blu-ray 1080p 2D materials, the Elite is an edge above the Samsung Plasma in general public viewers' poll but the professional are ranking the Samsung Plasma better.
@HDTVShootout regarding the Sharp Elite.....wouldn't it be fair to say that a LCD can't get any better in real world terms, for example, despite the HUGE contrast advantage, you said your pro reviewers preferred plasma, so it seems as though another model with an even lower black level isn't what you want for your 10/10 HDTV.
If the Sharps colour problems are fixed, what meaningful improvement could they make to the TV?
@MrKwameR Let me clarify, all the pros preferred either the Samsung or Panasonic Plasmas over the Elite only because of 1, the color decoding issue of the Elite; 2, the viewing limited angle of any LCD as compare to a Plasma.
If the Elite fixed the color decoding issue, it would have been the unanimous winner of the shootout and the best flat panel on the market today regardless of price.
@HDTVShootout yep, and on the assumption the colour decoding can be fixed via firmware, we'd have the best flat panel on the market, so I'm curious how they could improve the 2012 model/s, as I don't think a higher contrast ratio would be noticeable, colour decoding would be fixed, video processing is already extremely good.....so how could they improve upon this model in a meaningful manner?
@HDTVShootout it just seems to me, that as soon as someone made a full array LED with enough zones to ensure excellent screen uniformity, then it's really game over unless "meaningful" improvements could be made to any other picture quality aspect of the TV.....so isn't it reasonable to assume that next yrs model/s from Elite won't be much better as it's already at such a high level?
In essence, has LED peaked in the form of the "Elite"?{for PQ}.
@MrKwameR I don't know what to tell you in terms of future improvements for both LCDs and Plasmas. But according to our Pros, the Elites (aside from the color decoding issues) have only matched the performance of the Pioneer KRP-500M (the US. model) which is a two years ago product. Also, remember the Pioneer "Extreme Contrast Concept Model" from CES2008. I believe both Panasonic and Sharp have the tech but it's not economical to produce it yet.
@HDTVShootout I saw 1080p on a 2009 Samsung 63in plasma, and it was so lifelike and perfect, I often wonder why more people aren't delirious with their HDTV's, at least with bluray......but my point is, I don't think any significant improvement can occur as increasing the contrast will probably be an increase in unusable brightness, or be ultra expensive panel "tinting" seen on the old Kuro plasma's.
Some LCD/LED with poor blacks/screen uniformity fail to produce a detailed 3D looking HD picture, but do these top dog LCD's produce a convincing 3D PQ with 2D content?
I'm not referring to any conversions, just which tech has the most realistic PQ?
BackLit LED's solve the poor viewing angles when they use IPS panels is Sharp going to implement IPS into the ELITE's?
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@HDTVShootout One thing I have noticed in almost all the videos, but that has not been mentioned at all, is the response time/input lag of the sets. The Panasonic seems to display the source image visibly quicker than any of the other sets. I know that this has a particular effect on gaming, but does it have an impact on any other aspect of real-world viewing?
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However, everyone including the pros were agreeing that if the color decoding issue is corrected by the Elite team. The PRO-60X5FD will definitely be the clear cut King of PQ.
To read the detail voting result, please go to our website.
Thank you.
HDTVShootout 4 months ago
@HDTVShootout so you're not of the view that there's a fundamental different look to LCD and plasma PQ, whereby LCD can be described as sharper, harsher and maybe flatter looking, vs plasma being more gritty and 3D looking?
MrKwameR 4 months ago
@MrKwameR Those words you described between LCD and Plasma are more generalization for the lower end and older generation products in my opinion. At these higher-end sets, these arguments of LCD vs. Plasma are not as applicable. However, two fundamental limitations of the two technologies still apply, namely limited viewing angle of the LCDs and brightness limitation on the plasmas.
HDTVShootout 4 months ago
@HDTVShootout one other thing I was curious about regarding screen uniformity....do you think that the best edge lit LCD has equal or better screen uniformity than the best CCFL LCD?
MrKwameR 3 months ago
@MrKwameR In the latest LCD development, I believe all manufacturers have used LED (edge or back lit) on their higher end set whereas CCFL are only used in budget sets. Therefore, the screen uniformity on the LED sets are better than CCFL in general.
HDTVShootout 3 months ago
Although we did not explicitly test any 3D materials, all three LCD/LED contenders (Elite, Samsung, and Sony) have excellent to perfect screen uniformity. In terms of black level, the numbers just don't lie and the Elite is definitely the clear cut winners followed by almost a tie between Sony and Samsung.
In terms of pure PQ on Blu-ray 1080p 2D materials, the Elite is an edge above the Samsung Plasma in general public viewers' poll but the professional are ranking the Samsung Plasma better.
HDTVShootout 4 months ago
@HDTVShootout regarding the Sharp Elite.....wouldn't it be fair to say that a LCD can't get any better in real world terms, for example, despite the HUGE contrast advantage, you said your pro reviewers preferred plasma, so it seems as though another model with an even lower black level isn't what you want for your 10/10 HDTV.
If the Sharps colour problems are fixed, what meaningful improvement could they make to the TV?
MrKwameR 3 months ago
@MrKwameR Let me clarify, all the pros preferred either the Samsung or Panasonic Plasmas over the Elite only because of 1, the color decoding issue of the Elite; 2, the viewing limited angle of any LCD as compare to a Plasma.
If the Elite fixed the color decoding issue, it would have been the unanimous winner of the shootout and the best flat panel on the market today regardless of price.
HDTVShootout 3 months ago
@HDTVShootout yep, and on the assumption the colour decoding can be fixed via firmware, we'd have the best flat panel on the market, so I'm curious how they could improve the 2012 model/s, as I don't think a higher contrast ratio would be noticeable, colour decoding would be fixed, video processing is already extremely good.....so how could they improve upon this model in a meaningful manner?
MrKwameR 3 months ago
@HDTVShootout it just seems to me, that as soon as someone made a full array LED with enough zones to ensure excellent screen uniformity, then it's really game over unless "meaningful" improvements could be made to any other picture quality aspect of the TV.....so isn't it reasonable to assume that next yrs model/s from Elite won't be much better as it's already at such a high level?
In essence, has LED peaked in the form of the "Elite"?{for PQ}.
MrKwameR 3 months ago
@MrKwameR I don't know what to tell you in terms of future improvements for both LCDs and Plasmas. But according to our Pros, the Elites (aside from the color decoding issues) have only matched the performance of the Pioneer KRP-500M (the US. model) which is a two years ago product. Also, remember the Pioneer "Extreme Contrast Concept Model" from CES2008. I believe both Panasonic and Sharp have the tech but it's not economical to produce it yet.
HDTVShootout 3 months ago
@HDTVShootout I saw 1080p on a 2009 Samsung 63in plasma, and it was so lifelike and perfect, I often wonder why more people aren't delirious with their HDTV's, at least with bluray......but my point is, I don't think any significant improvement can occur as increasing the contrast will probably be an increase in unusable brightness, or be ultra expensive panel "tinting" seen on the old Kuro plasma's.
MrKwameR 3 months ago
no one watches, no one answers......
MrKwameR 4 months ago
Some LCD/LED with poor blacks/screen uniformity fail to produce a detailed 3D looking HD picture, but do these top dog LCD's produce a convincing 3D PQ with 2D content?
I'm not referring to any conversions, just which tech has the most realistic PQ?
MrKwameR 4 months ago