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Rappelling in the 80's. wow have things changed. now adays we don;t generaly use an 8 because it kills ropes, we use things like an atc, or a tube, friction plate or even a rack. Most of us are also smart enough to use a prusik.
I love the people, I been doing this since youwern;t a twinkle in your daddies eye, and been doing this for 40 years. 40 years of failing to learn is no different than 2 hours of instruction and failing to learn.
I use this same method every other day, for the last 12 years. The only thing I use different is a good set of gloves. All the haters and bullshitters need to keep the negative comments to yourself lol
Some people think rappalling is a new big thing.Sorry to break your heart.Like with chain saws it was here before safety equpment.A few of us travel places exploring where a rope is only used to get down from the cliff then back up again.NOT AS HIGH END SPORT with your cutie little qlichs that need directions to find the back side of a tree.
He did a sport climber's rappel. And he did well too. In a scenario when high amounts of friction would be applied, then yes, he should have had a mat or something over the sharp edge. Other than that, the only other thing he could have been more redundant with would be his belay loop. I always run a locking biner through my hardpoints, then clip my belay biner through both the locker and the belay loop.. Good job man. Way to get out and try to better the community.
Yeah, people rappelled successfully for years sans helmet and gloves. Are they a good idea? Sure. Are they necessary to survive a rappel? Absolutely not. This guy shows the basic idea of how to hook a double-line into a figure eight (exactly what I started looking for,) so thanks. Glad I found this vid.
WHERE'S YOUR HELMET AND GLOVES???? Also, if ur rappelling off a cliff, ur probably not going to be able to use steps like this guy did to lower yourself. He showed nothing about how to slowly lower your WHOLE body to a 45 degree angle BEFORE you start trying to climb down. I'm a beginner climber and even I know that this is NOT useful.
well guessing from the comments this guy is a dumbass, (i dont do climbing or anything, so i dont know anything about this stuff lol) so at the end i was hoping he fell of the edge :P
This is what makes me mad people think they can just make a video with no experience and teach everyone how to do it. Im a search and rescue member and have done countless rope rescue operations and have taught this to hundreds of people if you try and rappel like this you will die. There is no back up or safety in this system he is using no gloves and is have the rope directly tough a sharp ledge. Also he did not show his anchor the anchor is the cause of 99% of accidents with rappeling
You would be even more shocked to see his anchor (or absence of an anchor) in the last video. He simple put the rope itself around a tree not even 6 inches wide...no webbing, no backup systems, no redundancy, no rope to metal. Just a rope around a small tree...Good thinking eh!?
@djfoth Your obviously an anal Canadian, in the "States" we don't over complicate shit to the N'th degree like our northern neighbors. This is how he is comfortable, and I'm about 90% certain he has far more experience than both of us combined. Eh!?!?!
I haven't rappelled since the 1970s, when we used a device called a "brake bar" that fit into a standard oval carabiner. So I was curious to see how to use a figure-8. I like the way he stresses safety and the consequences of not getting things right. He also makes an excellent point -- starting off, when the rope is horizontal, can be awkward.
My girlfriend and I have a favorite hike that ends at a 200 foot waterfall. We've been doing it for years. We really want to rappel to the bottom but have NO IDEA where to get started learning or obtaining the gear. We know at the bottom of the fall its only another 12 miles up the stream to get out of the canyon so we won't have to worry about getting back up if we bring someone to drop our rope back down to us. Anybody have suggestions on where we should start??
You should at least take some basic climbing course at a local Indoor or outdoor gym. Rappelling IS dangerous if you don't know/aren't familiar with the equipment and techniques. Equipment? REI is a good place with many choices, otherwise Google "rock climbing equipment" for many stores online, it gets expensive fast though! However the gym or REI if you have one near you will get you started in the right direction....
I've never seen a climbing or rappelling video that didn't have a thousand people commenting "he's doing it wrong". Yes, a helmet would be advisable. As would either a prussik, or a shunt, or a fireman's belay. For that matter, it would also help to have a 10-man crew and a crane. The setup he's using is perfectly sound for a simple rappel, albeit not backed-up. He's not irresponsible for posting it. You're irresponsible if you do anything that you saw on YouTube without studying up first.
@OliverRobertson123 It's not doubled. It's a single rope threaded through a fixed anchor (like the D-rings you'll find bolted into the rock at the top of popular climbing routes.) Both ends of the rope are on the ground. This lets him descend, then unclip and retrieve his rope from below by pulling it through the anchor bolts.
@AusMetal33 You can also go to your local fire dept and ask if they have any old hose....They will generally have a couple sections that can't be used laying around the station.....Cut some sections off and it makes a great rope guard:)
There was a death a couple of weeks ago in Oz setting up a rap like this. This fellow is heading in the same direction, standing with his back to the cliff, with no protection.
this bloke is doing it very wrong, there is no back up on that rope for him, scenario one: - feet slip, natural reaction let go of rope to protect face, whooops im not holding on to the rope and so not braking with my left/right hand down i go to my death. you need a prusik look on the the rope and harness at lest so then you can take your hands off with out death. bad tutoring man.
@jc545staffy . I don't think a prusik is the right tool for dubbel rope. A shunt would be a good device but I quess there is someone standing below holding the ropes in case of an emergencie. I did not see him tie the ropes together at the bottom but I quess that was also already taken care of. A good video with usefull and correct info.
@stevan070 i did say at least, but your right double ropes a shunt would be perfect, cept for it eating into the rope. i dont think a spot is what is needed here, if he lets go of the rope, he falls and a person below will = an injury to both.
@jc545staffy I DO agree that the safety aspect is not shown in the vid and would have made it a better vid. A shunt 'strangles' the rope/ropes in an even more dynamic way than a prusik and has no 'teeth' making it rope friendly.
If someone is at the bottom of the abseil and pulls on the rope/ropes the rappelling person will stop bcs the figure 8 will brake enough to stop the rappel.
YOU SAD....: "RAPPEL IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS".....I SAD,,,,ONLY IF YOU ARE THE INSTRUCTOR...!!!!!!!!
YOU DON'T NEED THE PRUSSIK BACK UP......?
"IF YOU HAVE 3 , U HAVE 2, IF YOU HAVE 2 U HAVE 1, IF YOU HAVE 1 , U HAVE NONE...!!! GO GET INSTRUCTIONS, BEFORE POSTING "LIFE THREATENING VIDEOS" U SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR THAT ANSWER....
@ZK818 I do NOT agree. The loop is specially made for belaying and rapelling. Also the loop spreads the forces between the middle section and the leg section.
The way he ties in into the figure 8 makes for a slow rappel therefore no gloves are needed
@ZK818 Wow...you must be a REAL rock climber! I on the other hand have only been doing it for 30 YEARS! Sure you can use prusik...if you like. I might on a 10 pitch rap...and have. Tying a knot in the end of the ropes would be wise as well. As for wearing a glove......what a gumby you are.
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MySimpleNeeds 2 weeks ago
once i fell in water....
antion234 1 month ago
No Prusik, gloves, backup, rope guard, or proper anchor? Ehhhh
HowToDoCoolShit 1 month ago
most people just back up and fall? why have I never seen that?
Cody7x11 3 months ago
Rappelling in the 80's. wow have things changed. now adays we don;t generaly use an 8 because it kills ropes, we use things like an atc, or a tube, friction plate or even a rack. Most of us are also smart enough to use a prusik.
I love the people, I been doing this since youwern;t a twinkle in your daddies eye, and been doing this for 40 years. 40 years of failing to learn is no different than 2 hours of instruction and failing to learn.
Northernblades 4 months ago
can i use a pulley?
aldeeoink 4 months ago
I use this same method every other day, for the last 12 years. The only thing I use different is a good set of gloves. All the haters and bullshitters need to keep the negative comments to yourself lol
towman2277 5 months ago
Some people think rappalling is a new big thing.Sorry to break your heart.Like with chain saws it was here before safety equpment.A few of us travel places exploring where a rope is only used to get down from the cliff then back up again.NOT AS HIGH END SPORT with your cutie little qlichs that need directions to find the back side of a tree.
4thrrider 6 months ago
He did a sport climber's rappel. And he did well too. In a scenario when high amounts of friction would be applied, then yes, he should have had a mat or something over the sharp edge. Other than that, the only other thing he could have been more redundant with would be his belay loop. I always run a locking biner through my hardpoints, then clip my belay biner through both the locker and the belay loop.. Good job man. Way to get out and try to better the community.
climber1995 7 months ago
Yeah, people rappelled successfully for years sans helmet and gloves. Are they a good idea? Sure. Are they necessary to survive a rappel? Absolutely not. This guy shows the basic idea of how to hook a double-line into a figure eight (exactly what I started looking for,) so thanks. Glad I found this vid.
CommieJoe42 7 months ago
WHERE'S YOUR HELMET AND GLOVES???? Also, if ur rappelling off a cliff, ur probably not going to be able to use steps like this guy did to lower yourself. He showed nothing about how to slowly lower your WHOLE body to a 45 degree angle BEFORE you start trying to climb down. I'm a beginner climber and even I know that this is NOT useful.
lutheranmusicstand 8 months ago
well guessing from the comments this guy is a dumbass, (i dont do climbing or anything, so i dont know anything about this stuff lol) so at the end i was hoping he fell of the edge :P
ELITEclan100 8 months ago
"you...fall to your death" lol well said
OperationThor 8 months ago
This is what makes me mad people think they can just make a video with no experience and teach everyone how to do it. Im a search and rescue member and have done countless rope rescue operations and have taught this to hundreds of people if you try and rappel like this you will die. There is no back up or safety in this system he is using no gloves and is have the rope directly tough a sharp ledge. Also he did not show his anchor the anchor is the cause of 99% of accidents with rappeling
Whompinoag 9 months ago
@Whompinoag
You would be even more shocked to see his anchor (or absence of an anchor) in the last video. He simple put the rope itself around a tree not even 6 inches wide...no webbing, no backup systems, no redundancy, no rope to metal. Just a rope around a small tree...Good thinking eh!?
djfoth 4 months ago
@djfoth bro just because ur a panzie, doesnt mean u have to be mean, hes just extreme bro
whipslasher24 4 months ago
@djfoth Your obviously an anal Canadian, in the "States" we don't over complicate shit to the N'th degree like our northern neighbors. This is how he is comfortable, and I'm about 90% certain he has far more experience than both of us combined. Eh!?!?!
MrRichardsSmoker 1 month ago
No Prusik Loop or Auto Block backup?!
Please delete this video. Thanks
StevenThaw 9 months ago
check out my vids there better
MultiClimbers 9 months ago
I love rappelling I play call of duty and in some missions you her to rapel
djjack123412345 10 months ago
thanks
corabary 10 months ago
I haven't rappelled since the 1970s, when we used a device called a "brake bar" that fit into a standard oval carabiner. So I was curious to see how to use a figure-8. I like the way he stresses safety and the consequences of not getting things right. He also makes an excellent point -- starting off, when the rope is horizontal, can be awkward.
jburgie 10 months ago
My girlfriend and I have a favorite hike that ends at a 200 foot waterfall. We've been doing it for years. We really want to rappel to the bottom but have NO IDEA where to get started learning or obtaining the gear. We know at the bottom of the fall its only another 12 miles up the stream to get out of the canyon so we won't have to worry about getting back up if we bring someone to drop our rope back down to us. Anybody have suggestions on where we should start??
flyerscup08 10 months ago
@flyerscup08
You should at least take some basic climbing course at a local Indoor or outdoor gym. Rappelling IS dangerous if you don't know/aren't familiar with the equipment and techniques. Equipment? REI is a good place with many choices, otherwise Google "rock climbing equipment" for many stores online, it gets expensive fast though! However the gym or REI if you have one near you will get you started in the right direction....
Elektra711 9 months ago
I've never seen a climbing or rappelling video that didn't have a thousand people commenting "he's doing it wrong". Yes, a helmet would be advisable. As would either a prussik, or a shunt, or a fireman's belay. For that matter, it would also help to have a 10-man crew and a crane. The setup he's using is perfectly sound for a simple rappel, albeit not backed-up. He's not irresponsible for posting it. You're irresponsible if you do anything that you saw on YouTube without studying up first.
dwilcomb 10 months ago
Why is the rope doubled?
OliverRobertson123 10 months ago
@OliverRobertson123 It's not doubled. It's a single rope threaded through a fixed anchor (like the D-rings you'll find bolted into the rock at the top of popular climbing routes.) Both ends of the rope are on the ground. This lets him descend, then unclip and retrieve his rope from below by pulling it through the anchor bolts.
dwilcomb 10 months ago
@OliverRobertson123 u can do it with 1 rope or 2 2 ropes mennes that it has more friction
MultiClimbers 10 months ago
Definitely kings bluff!!!
g1nine 11 months ago
this video is full of FAIL, it should be removed.
don't listen to this hack
mudbert 11 months ago
@AusMetal33 You can also go to your local fire dept and ask if they have any old hose....They will generally have a couple sections that can't be used laying around the station.....Cut some sections off and it makes a great rope guard:)
Irishliver2 11 months ago
@eduardoabad43
What do you use when your rope is against a sharp rock?
woodey172 1 year ago
There are about 100 things wrong with this video...
if you actually tried to rappel like this you would likely die.
Diddies3000 1 year ago 18
@Diddies3000 Uhhh yeah see how we just saw him going down and not dying? Yeah your kinda proved wrong.
turt1997 3 weeks ago
There was a death a couple of weeks ago in Oz setting up a rap like this. This fellow is heading in the same direction, standing with his back to the cliff, with no protection.
sydneydoc 1 year ago
what about to secure the rope of damaging by the edge of the rock?
crabkrebs 1 year ago
hes a showman... you are not rappeling.. you are walking mate!
cutmenow990 1 year ago
@cutmenow990 he doesn't have all his equipment ready so he shouldn't be rappelling quickly
ericyoung888 1 year ago
you're not rappelling; you're just walking off the steps with rope as safety.
jonathanliew720 1 year ago
I did rappelling once. Shat my pants
IeatyouYoueatme1 1 year ago
Hahahahhaha. Is this Kings Bluff?
HKSFD35 1 year ago
@HKSFD35 I thought the same thing! I will be moving there pretty soon.
motherfaka87 1 year ago
noobish question, how do u brake with ur right hand?
joric130 1 year ago
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LovetheSawtooths 1 year ago
@ReadyPrepper if you wanna see some really crazy rappelling, check out my vid that says " the dumbest thing I've ever done". its nuts.
caruptree 1 year ago
For Safety, use also a prussik. If you burn your hand, it will stop you in your fall.
SnowWolfQuebec 1 year ago 8
@SnowWolfQuebec I agree - he didn't tie any safety.
icychap 1 year ago
@SnowWolfQuebec and if your carabiner, belay loop or belay device fails it will stop you from going SPLAT.
kensei85 3 months ago
this bloke is doing it very wrong, there is no back up on that rope for him, scenario one: - feet slip, natural reaction let go of rope to protect face, whooops im not holding on to the rope and so not braking with my left/right hand down i go to my death. you need a prusik look on the the rope and harness at lest so then you can take your hands off with out death. bad tutoring man.
jc545staffy 1 year ago
@jc545staffy . I don't think a prusik is the right tool for dubbel rope. A shunt would be a good device but I quess there is someone standing below holding the ropes in case of an emergencie. I did not see him tie the ropes together at the bottom but I quess that was also already taken care of. A good video with usefull and correct info.
stevan070 1 year ago
@stevan070 i did say at least, but your right double ropes a shunt would be perfect, cept for it eating into the rope. i dont think a spot is what is needed here, if he lets go of the rope, he falls and a person below will = an injury to both.
jc545staffy 1 year ago
@jc545staffy I DO agree that the safety aspect is not shown in the vid and would have made it a better vid. A shunt 'strangles' the rope/ropes in an even more dynamic way than a prusik and has no 'teeth' making it rope friendly.
If someone is at the bottom of the abseil and pulls on the rope/ropes the rappelling person will stop bcs the figure 8 will brake enough to stop the rappel.
stevan070 1 year ago
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AmaliaDopp 1 year ago
what is the name of that figure 8 thing and where can u git one
captainkyes 1 year ago
Simple and no bull.
This bloke knows his stuff
I bet ZK818 had never even climbed a mountain.
GS
ghettosprayer 1 year ago
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YOU SAD....: "RAPPEL IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS".....I SAD,,,,ONLY IF YOU ARE THE INSTRUCTOR...!!!!!!!!
YOU DON'T NEED THE PRUSSIK BACK UP......?
"IF YOU HAVE 3 , U HAVE 2, IF YOU HAVE 2 U HAVE 1, IF YOU HAVE 1 , U HAVE NONE...!!! GO GET INSTRUCTIONS, BEFORE POSTING "LIFE THREATENING VIDEOS" U SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR THAT ANSWER....
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ZK818 1 year ago
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ZK818 1 year ago
OHH MAN....IN THIS 2 MIN VIDEO, YOU'VE MADE AT LEAST 4 MAJOR MISTAKES.!!
1) CARABINER MUST PASS AROUND 2 PARTS OF YOUR HARNESS AT LEAST, NOT ONLY TRHOUGH THE FRONT LOOP.
2) ALWAYS, ALWAYS USE GLOVES IN YOUR "ROPE HAND"
3) YOU PASSED THE ROPE TRHOUGH THE 8 FROM THE THE BOTTOM SIDE FIRST, RATHER THEN FROM THE TOP...TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHY THAT'S TOTTALY WRONG
4) YOUR LEFT HAND IS TOO CLOSE TO THE 8...IF YOU DON'T WANNA GET A SEVERE BURNING, KEEP THAT HAND AWAY FROM THE ROPE...U DON'T NEED THAT.
ZK818 1 year ago
@ZK818 I do NOT agree. The loop is specially made for belaying and rapelling. Also the loop spreads the forces between the middle section and the leg section.
The way he ties in into the figure 8 makes for a slow rappel therefore no gloves are needed
stevan070 1 year ago
@ZK818 Wow...you must be a REAL rock climber! I on the other hand have only been doing it for 30 YEARS! Sure you can use prusik...if you like. I might on a 10 pitch rap...and have. Tying a knot in the end of the ropes would be wise as well. As for wearing a glove......what a gumby you are.
AmaliaDopp 1 year ago
You need a prussik as a backup.
rdhatch 2 years ago
Yes, it is recommended, but not necessary.. :) As you wrote: it is for backup -- in case of same problems :)
stepanek78 2 years ago
That ledge looks pretty sharp. I would wanna pad my rope with something there.
AndoCalrissian1 2 years ago
Do u like the 8 better than an ATC?
tutalus 2 years ago