Zorion, etxe hontako denoi! Oles egitera gatoz, aterik ate ohitura zaharra aurten berritzeko asmoz. Ez gaude oso aberats diruz, ezta ere oinetakoz. Baina eztarriz sano gabiltza, ta kanta nahi degu gogoz. 2. Santa Ageda bezpera degu Euskal Herriko eguna, etxe guztiak kantuz pozteko aukeratu deguna. Santa maitea gaur hartu degu gure bideko laguna. Haren laguntzaz bete gentzake egun hontako jarduna.
@88Gaulois Well if you had read the whole argument instead of a single comment you would have known and not posted such a stupid comment, now wouldn't you of?
But you saying "The Crusades were launched to acquire land and power" was also pretty hysterical. And as I'm typing this 3-4 other people are laughing hysterically reading it.
Look up the videos of the Iranians burning the Qu'ran in Tehran. You are so dumb I actually question why you were even born, to think the things you do that are so easily found anywhere you look. I wonder if you're in denial or if you're IQ really is 85.
Tens of thousands of Serbians were killed in the Battle of Kosovo, Kosovo itself is a Serbian word. The Albanians claim no relation to it, other than the fact the The Serbs are Christian, and the Albanians/Bosnians are Muslims, and in the Qu'ran the sworn enemies of the Muslims are the ahl al-qiytab, the "People of the Book." Good idea to stop responding though. I was truly getting bored. It was funny to see how stupid you were in the first few comments, but that one implying Arab and Muslim
I realised something while taking a dump. All this hate and intolerance from you points to one fact, that you are clearly a Neo-Nazi in denial using some other excuse, in this case, anti-Islam, to perpetuate your hate. Before I stoop to your level of deception, by using history to pervert justice and truth, I'll stop feeding your hateful and deceptive mind by replying. Don't alter history to suit your purposes. The true anti-Semite is you given how you forget Arabs are Semites too.
@tripwire The true anti-Semite is you given how you forget Arabs are Semites too.
When did I say I hated Arabs? More stupidity. Arab and Muslim are not the same thing. There are large numbers of Christian Arabs in the Middle East, and a large number of Zoroastrian Arabs in the Middle East. Muslim=/=Arab. Why am I still trying to teach you things you should have learned in 1st grade? So what are the Zoroastrian Arabs (Iranians) burning the Qu'ran in Tehran? Are they racist against arabs too? LOL
@dude75able Lol what is this? Is this an attempt to make me attack Africans? Some of my best friends are of African descent, and 75% of my family living in the Bahamas is Black. Sorry, mission failed lol.
@tripwire Uh oh, here comes the next race label. Mexicans? Why would I hate mexicans and when did I ever say/imply I did. Please start pasting, as I am, where I'm implying/saying these things, I'm curious, or are you just a complete psychotic?
Before I forget, a Crusade was launched against the Byzantine Empire in 1204. Did you forget that, or did you think the Crusades were just launched simply because European nobility were bored and had to conquer more lands, in the name of God? The reasons were the same. It was for wealth and land. Same thing right now in the Middle East no? Oil, more oil, to power your vehicles and industry, at the expense of innocent lives.
@tripwire Before I forget, a Crusade was launched against the Byzantine Empire in 1204.
LOL that Crusade was already an act of retaliation and in the middle of all of the Crusades; the Crusades began in 1095 with a call to arms from Pope Urban. Why? Because someone invaded Jerusalem and burned the Temple Mount and church of the Holy Sepulchre to the ground. I won't say any names, you can pick up a book on the Crusades.
@tripwire did you think the Crusades were just launched simply because European nobility were bored and had to conquer more lands, in the name of God?
LOL Conquer more lands? The Crusades were launched to re-take Jerusalem. "Conquer more lands" that they had already controlled for more than a thousand years? LOL. I'm an atheist, but, my god man, you are truly a joke lol.
Calling me out on not knowing Marcus Aurelius and Octavian, which, for the record, I don't really care much about, is one way for you to hide the fact that you are oblivious to the great leaders of other regions. Read up about Pachacuti Inca Yupanqui, Read up about the Kangxi Emperor. Read up about Takeda Shingen, read up about Shaka Zulu. You so clearly ignore these great leaders in your obsession with what is essentially European in basis.
@tripwire Calling me out on not knowing Marcus Aurelius and Octavian, which, for the record, I don't really care much about
Ok, well you "not caring about it" doesn't hide the fact that they are two of the most influential/important political/philosophical figures in Human History.
As you once mentioned, it is about rights and privileges. I have the right to think you are a dumb American, you have the right to think I'm a dumb pro-Muslim Asian, and I have the privilege to say, get on your time machine. :)
@tripwire What does the midge joke have to do with the Nazi bombing campaign of London? I never said it had anything to do with it. I was returning the sarcasm that some random limey decided to throw out, knowing full well his own country under Neville Chamberlain fomented and encouraged German Lebensraum and World War II. Screaming in the streets "Heil Hitler" one day, begging for US Intervention while hiding underground in London the next.
@RightsAndPrivileges Aww, let me guess, too many American soldiers died defending the "Limeys". So funny that they HAD to rely on the atomic bomb to beat, guess what? An Asian nation. Hypocrisy at its best when the US invades other nations on the pretext of terrorism. Forgot Nicaragua? Cuba perhaps?
@tripwire So funny that they HAD to rely on the atomic bomb to beat, guess what? An Asian nation.
A.) The US Military would have completely decimated the Japanese military eventually, all it did was save more lives on both sides of the war.
B.) When did I ever say or imply anything against Asians? Lol I have more respect for the Japanese and Chinese than you ever will, Japan infrastructure was completely destroyed with the Nuclear Weapons, and 60 years later they are leading the world in
@RightsAndPrivileges So a flag of the IRA melded with the Jordanian flag = pro-Muslim? First you say you are a Basque, now you say you are an American Irish. Identity crisis much? My school system biased? LOL. We produce more smart people than the American education system. Murders of Australian children? You forgot the Stolen Generations of Aborigine children by WHITE Australian policies? Very easy to whitewash all these facts and blame everything on the Muslims.
@tripwire Identity Crisis much? Multiculturalism much? We live in a nation that has guaranteed rights to all races while yours was most likely still throwing spears at tribes of a different cloth color. I wouldn't even both to argue with that.
@tripwire "The US government recognizes the independence of Kosovo as a whole. You don't but oddly your government does."
Since when does the US Government, the largest criminal organization in the world, represent the American people? After they said no more spending? Or aftey they voted for Gore and Bush won the election? Are you dumb enough to not understand popular vs electoral vote? Lol.
@RightsAndPrivileges Indeed, your fellow citizens voted them into power. Who's the criminal now? I never agreed with Bush being President in the first place. Gore was supposed to win, period. :)
@RightsAndPrivileges So, is Xinjiang, Tibet and Inner Mongolia forever China? Is Papua forever Indonesia? Is Bougainville forever Papua New Guinea? The fact remains, territorial disputes occur all over the world, and not just between Muslim people and others. The Atacama desert dispute between Chile and Bolivia is a case in point. Your country only recognises the independence of others and invades others at will because they have an economic benefit to the USA. Oil that made you invade Iraq.
@tripwire Let's put it this way, you will never agree with what I say, and I will never agree with your anti-Muslim stance, so this whole discussion is going nowhere. I'll leave you to your anti-Muslim conspiracy theories and Tea Party ideas, and remind myself that I am lucky to have gone through a non-biased education system that does not breed bigots. :)
@tripwire how about the Spanish leave these two territories?
Lol leave territories they built? How about you leave your house because it belongs to the "indigenous" natives, and not you? The word "indigenous" is paradoxical; a word you seem to have a secret love affair with, you hide behind it in every implication you post like a mouse scurries under a rock. Using that definition no land would belong to any one because the entire human species originates at one fixed coordinate.
@RightsAndPrivileges Funny huh, my maternal side is native to this land. You are a ridiculous person indeed. The point still remains, Ceuta and Melilla are still occupied territories.
@tripwire I like how you diverted away from the fact that you support genocide and illegal immigration in order to majority rule a set region, instinctively demonstrating lack of knowledge of the theory of "tyranny of the masses." Another great example of how 4th world your school system really is.
@RightsAndPrivileges I doubly like the fact that you whitewash everything with your anti-Muslim rhetoric. :) 4th world? LOL. Keep staying under your rock.
@tripwire I'll leave you to your anti-Muslim conspiracy theories and Tea Party ideas
Conspiracies? Aren't you trying to argue that Oppression stems solely from the West and men with White Skin? That's all everyone read in all of your comments, the subliminal hatred of anyone with a lighter skin color.
As for my "Tea Party Ideas" ....? Who says I support any political platform? Or is that another random assumption you made in another rambling diatribe?
@RightsAndPrivileges Right, and to you anyone else who just happens to be Muslim or pro-Muslim is automatically a person deserving of hate. It is clearly seen that Europeans tried to conquer others, even themselves. What are you truly protecting? Your pro-colonialism ideas? Did I touch a raw nerve when I mentioned the Tea Party?
@tripwire Did I touch a raw nerve when I mentioned the Tea Party?
Not quite you haven't touched any nerves other than my funny bone. Lol. I've gotten good amusement out of this talk, as have many of the people I've shown it to.
Yet oddly, you speak of 800 years of "Muslim occupation" of Spain. Have you wondered, the blame lies in the inept kings, lords and barons who were supposed to keep Spain's shores safe? Still, the Moors and Arabs came across the sea and invaded your country. Later on the French, and then the Germans came. During the Inquisition, the Muslims and Jews who refused to convert were expelled, what's the difference?
I never said anything about Hitler. I don't hate Jews. Hell one of my oldest pals is a Jew from Israel. Nobody said anything about crying for the "persecution" of Muslims. But have you forgotten what the Huguenots underwent at the hands of the church? The conflict in Darfur was between Muslim African tribes and Arab tribes. I for one do not agree with the actions of the Arab tribes.
@tripwire The main point is that the juxtapositions you draw from these histories blatantly shows one faction more negatively than the other, as much as you twist and contort it to fit your own liberal views so you can feel good when you go to sleep at night. You talk about keeping shores safe? Why should the shores have been kept safe? If there were not animals invading the land on all sides of them every chance they got there would be no need to "keep the shores safe."
@tripwire The conflict in Darfur is not between Arabs and Muslims, There are no Arabs in Sudan. It is ethnic Africans, and Arab MUSLIMS. The conflict represents Muslim incursion and encroachment from North Africa southward.
Hello. My name is Daniel, I´m brazilian and one of my surnames is Pamplona. My family used to say that is connected with the very city of Pamplona, because when people used to spread around the world centuries ago, they used to adopt as a surname the place where they came from. Do you know anyone in Navarra with the same surname? Do you have any idea about my family´s history? Thank you!
@DanCPV85 Interesting story. I didn't know that some people adopted their home village, town or city as their surname when they emigrated. Do you know if it's just people from the Iberian Peninsula who did this or was it a general European thing? I have relatives in Canada, the US, Australia & Sweden, as well as England & Northern Ireland, but as far as I know none of their ancestors adopted their home town as their surname when they left Scotland.
The fact you consider Spain to "occupy" Euskal Herria and you support the Islamic genocide against Serbs signifies you are a Muslim sympathizer; more than 750,000 Christian Serbians were murdered in their own land by Hitler's SS Skanderbeg division (Albanian/Bosnian Muslims), and The Muslims in Israel today are Syrian or Jordanian. There was no "Palestine" in the 1940's, 1950's, it came all of the sudden out of no where to create sympathy for the Muslims and antipathy for the Jews.
It is a pre-indoeuropean language (preserved since the time when all the Romans, germans, Slaves were stil somewhere in the central Asia or just were still not there, at all...)
basque is langauge spoken in a reigon of people that origninated from a trible that was in north spain and parts of south spain it has no similarity to other european langauges it does not come from africa but it is not based on latin like alot of european languages in its area like spanish,french,portugese italian
Sa eusku sho meshdu ta matnish tsanxana tisber, once upon a time when Spaniards occupied My Eskulantd a man left the country to a palace where people like him could understand the language of those hosts, now I find it hard to understand the modern Euskadi
@RightsAndPrivileges yeah, of course, we are Spain, Kurdistan is Turkey, Northern Ireland is UK, Chechnya is Russia, Corsica is french and Palestine is just an imaginary place.
@EHSuge And that is because only the greatest nations in the world (Roman Empire, Spanish Empire, USA) have had these identity problems as a result of unity amongst different peoples and languages.
@EHSuge The entire world has a common enemy, the Muslim, and to incite violence against your own people as ETA does, and to blame a nation that will eventually be your ally in the upcoming War the way the IRA does only makes you a sympathizer for the Islamic NWO. The IRA has the audacity to paint a Mural in Belfast of the Irish flag mixed in with the Muslim flag of a "country" that has never existed; "Palestine" is a Roman invention to spite the Jews, who have inhabited Israel for thousands
@EHSuge of years. Well I don't think Northern Ireland is UK, I think Northern Ireland should be united with Ireland, but I disagree with the IRA because they act like Muslims and ally themselves with the Muslims. Same with ETA.
@EHSuge But yes, Spain is one. Kosovo is Serbia, Kashmir is India, Chechnya is Russia, and "Palaestina" is a Roman invention, the rechristening of nothing more than ISRAEL/JUDAEA.
@RightsAndPrivileges of course... if we are going to talk about institutions or "official" recognitions, none of those countries or peoples do exist. But the fact is that they do exist. They do not have any state or national institutions, but they exist. Chechnya, Corsica, Palestine, Kosovo, the Basque Country... And they deserve recognition, putting historical discussions apart, because what really matters --today-- is the will of the people, the right of self-determination.
@EHSuge Kosovo and Chechnya do not exist, nor does Palestine. Palestine is a Roman word from Palaestina (Land of the Philistines). If you have not noticed, all of the above areas are the end result of Muslim invasion. Kosovo became majority Muslim after the Muslims murdered over 750,000 Serbians during WWII with Hitler and Tito's help. Kosovo is Forever Serbia. There is no such thing as Palestine. And Chechnya is Russia.
@RightsAndPrivileges So the Caucasian republics are non-existent to you? Mind you they were worshipping other gods and deities before the arrival of the Mongol hordes, and here you are saying the Muslims are at wrong? Are you warping history to suit your purposes?
The fact you consider Spain to "occupy" Euskal Herria and you support the Islamic genocide against Serbs signifies you are a Muslim sympathizer; more than 750,000 Christian Serbians were murdered in their own land by Hitler's SS Skanderbeg division (Albanian/Bosnian Muslims), and The Muslims in Israel today are Syrian or Jordanian. There was no "Palestine" in the 1940's, 1950's, it came all of the sudden out of no where to create sympathy for the Muslims and antipathy for the Jews.
The Muslim is the true occupier, where is the Muslim apology for the Islamic occupation of Spain for 800 years? Have you forgotten that? Ah, I think you have.
@RightsAndPrivileges In that 800 years, they contributed much to the architecture and culture of modern Spain. You can say they occupied your nation for 800 years, but why are the Spanish still occupying Ceuta and Melilla? On that count you can even say the British have no right to be on Gibraltar. The Spanish conquered and murdered many many countless native peoples of the Americas in the name of Christ. See history through unbiased eyes before you talk nonsense.
@tripwire Architecture and culture? You think contributing to Culture lies in fascism? Christians were forced to convert to Islam, pay a Dhimmi tax and accept 2nd-class citizenship, or be killed. So you think that because the Muslims forced Islam upon countries they invaded that makes them better than the Christians? Don't waste my time. Architecture was contributed? One of the oldest libraries in Grenada was burned to the ground, and one of the biggest mosques built on the ashes.
@RightsAndPrivileges Dhimmi is bullshit, period. You dredge up the past over shit that people did in the Middle Ages, and you just go over the crap that people did during the Crusades. It was war, and people die. See it in that context. So what if the oldest library in Grenada burned down? The Romans destroyed the library in Alexandria. Isn't that a bigger loss? What about the culture loss in the Americas from Spain's colonisation? Note, Ottoman stupidity =/= all Muslims.
@tripwire The Romans destroyed the library in Alexandria. Isn't that a bigger loss? What about the culture loss in the Americas from Spain's colonisation?"
It's "colonization". As for the "culture loss" in Latin America that you're referring to I wasn't aware that every Taino in Puerto Rico y Cuba and every Indian in Mexico forgot their history, on the contrary; what do the Puerto Ricans call themselves? Boricua. And Where does Boricua come from? Borikuen, which is what the Tainos of Puerto Rico
The "crap people did during the Crusades"? Why were the Crusades even launched? Answer that question. 13 Crusades, 13 seperate wars, why did the chain reaction occur in the first place? Oh, ok.
@tripwire Study history before you make yourself look like an idiot. "Occupying" Ceuta and Melilla? What are the populations of persons there? Less than 77,000. It is not an occupation if the amount of people living under foreign governance are too small to rely on themselves or elect their own government as well as being descendants of the "Occupier". I'm afraid someone else needs to review their biased interpretation of the word "Occupation".
@RightsAndPrivileges It is still an occupation of lands that do not originally belong to Spain, so what the hell are you blabbering about? You sir are the one who needs to review YOUR interpretation of the word occupation. :)
@tripwire "It is still an occupation of lands that do not originally belong to Spain"
If we use that definition than no land would belong to anybody. Iran does not belong to the Muslims, or the Persians. Israel doesn't belong to the Jews, the Basque country to the Basques, the United States to the Native Americans. The lands that peoples inhabit now would not belong to them. That statement is hypocrisy and paradoxical at best.
You ask me to cry for the "persecutions" the Muslims endure? My tears were wasted on my ancestors before the reconquest, my tears were wasted on the Serbians who lost their own country to an Islamic invader, to the Russians murdered by the Muslims in Chechnya, the Hindu's murdered in Islamic Kashmir, the Africans murdered by the North African Muslims in Darfur, the Armenians murdered by the Muslims in Turkey, the 750,000 Serbians murdered and crucified
@tripwire crucified by Albanian/Bosnian Muslim members of Hitler's SS in the former Yugoslavia. You probably still consider Hitler to be a devout Catholic don't you moron? Try reading about Operation Rabat. Or Hitler's Table Talks from 1942, read what he said about Christianity and Islam.
@tripwire "In that 800 years, they contributed much to the architecture and culture of modern Spain."
Lol that actually made me "laugh out loud." Another Muslim, I wouldn't doubt, you rats infest Youtube and Wikipedia like a Day-Job; manipulating articles and creating fabrications on Youtube to rally support against the USA and Israel. But you see your own Regimes are self-destructing. The Zoroastrians in PERSIA and the Hindus in Kashmir are throwing off the shackles.
@RightsAndPrivileges So everyone single person on this earth who disagrees with your bigoted views is automatically a Muslim? For one who reacts so strongly to disagreeing comments, you must be one hateful person. Didn't Jesus teach you to love your enemy? Guess I should ask my Catholic relatives what they think of goons like you who hijack the religion to flame Islam because of your distorted sense of history. :D
"Didn't Jesus teach you to love your enemy? Guess I should ask my Catholic relatives what they think of goons like you who hijack the religion"
Lol.
A.) Who said I was a Christian OR a Catholic?
B.) Christians and Catholics aren't the only ones who "flame" Islam, apostates to Islam that are threatened "flame" Islam, as do Zoroastrians, as do Atheists/Agnostics, as do the Buddhists being armed by the Thai government to resist Islamic incursion and violence, as do the Hindus like the man who
@RightsAndPrivileges Islamic incursion in Thailand. What a joke. The Kingdom of Pattani existed as a separate Malay sultanate before the Thais invaded. They were defeated as was Spain by the Moors in 711. Now after years of Thai "occupation", is it wrong for them to fight for their independence? Violent methods gave freedom to East Timor and Eritrea, yet what is the big difference? Spain fought to regain Spanish lands during the Reconquista no? So what's the difference?
@tripwire The problem with your argument is you believe Muslims are justified in murdering people in dozens of countries across numerous continents for "regaining their land." But you see, the Muslims don't control the world, every nation on every continent is not theirs. In fact, using your argument you would contradict yourself because Israel would be justified in reclaiming its land from the Muslim invasion of Jerusalem that sparked the Crusades. Your points are blurry and contradictory at
@tripwire murdered Ghandi. You attempt to confine criticism and shackle it to a post, hence, why you have no argument and don't know your history. Juxtaposition is the key to understanding. And Islam as a cult to the Abrahamic religions or Atheism/Agnosticism is a juxtaposition you cannot make. Because you have not read the Qu'ran, or the Hadith, because if you had read the Hadith: "Sahih al-bukhari", translated as "The most true", you would have read: "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me,
@RightsAndPrivileges By this you pretty much condoned the fact that a Hindu assassinated Mahatma Gandhi. He had the right vision just like Yitzhak Rabin, only to be killed by a zealot of their respective faiths. The same has occurred throughout history with every religion.
@tripwire As for the assassination of Ghandi, who wrote to Hitler as "my friend", I don't really have a stance on his death. Neutrality would be the best description. He was assassinated by a Hindu because the assassin believed he was sacrificing Indian interests for Islamic ones.
@tripwire best. You most likely condemn the Serbs for the defensive actions they took in Kosovo, or the Jews in Israel for their "attacks on innocent *PALESTINIANS*", yet the same condemnation is not issued for the genocide against the Serbs in Kosovo, the Hebron and Tiberias massacres in Israel of which ovber 60% of the victims were children.
Again, the entire world does not belong to the Muslim.
@RightsAndPrivileges I never condemned the Serbs for their actions. I feel that massacres like the one at Srebrenica could have been avoided. Israel fought in self-defense, though what is the point in killing rock-throwing kids with tanks and rifles? It's like throwing boulders at a stick. Last but not least, I never said the entire world belongs to Muslims. I am of the opinion that the world is a place to be shared equally, but not by religious zealots.
@tripwire "Massacres" like the one at Srebrenica? LOL. The Muslim is the master of lies, as the Prophet Muhammed said in the Qu'ran: "War is deception."
Look up the Racak "Massacre" a proven hoax in Kosovo. The KLA took their uniforms off of the dead bodies and put civilian clothing on them. Even the New World Order United Nations identified this fraud.
@RightsAndPrivileges So Srebrenica is a fabrication in your eyes? War has always been about deception. The deception of Atahualpa of the Inca Empire by Pizarro. Need I say more? In the thirst for gold and more slaves, Spain went on the conquest of the New World and what did the peoples of Latin America get? Disease, slavery and destruction, followed by years and years of Spanish colonization, or should I say, "occupation". In that sense, shouldn't Spain apologize too?
@tripwire did the peoples of Latin America get? Disease, slavery and destruction"
Quite a laundry list of disdain you have for the developed peoples of the world. What did the peoples of Latin America get? How about Knowledge, Love, and in certain cases cooperation. How is it that Spanish became the 2nd most spoken first language in the world? Who are these "Latinos" (Latin + Taino) that inhabit South America? How do you think they reproduced? The Spaniards had no wives, and many married native
@RightsAndPrivileges Last I checked, South America did not contain just the Taino alone. Have you forgotten the diseases that the Conquistadors brought along with them? What about the gold stolen from the peoples of South and Central America to fund Spain's coffers? What about the raw materials, the slaves taken from these lands to feed Spain's lust for wealth and power?
@tripwire I just spoke about the diseases you insinuated were deliberately spread, when they were accidental. As for the gold "stolen" from these peoples, I'm pretty sure El Dorado was never found, and some of these people were not harvesting gold, and still others had no idea the land possessed it, nor what it was.
@RightsAndPrivileges Then what about the Carib, the Arawak. Heck the people of Hispaniola, who were eventually made into slaves to work the mines and fields? Did Columbus's arrival really bring anything good to the natives? Did they really need to be Christianised?
@tripwire LOL the people of Hispaniola that were made into Slaves? My people were in Spain before the Roman incursion, and during the rise of the Spanish empire made significant contributions to it's rise. My ancestors built and manned Columbus ships to the New World. There was no slavery.
@RightsAndPrivileges You know it's funny, I actually support the Basques and their independence movement. And this is not because of hate towards Spain. I just feel that Basque country should be free, as should Pattani be in Thailand. That goes without question, that Papua should be free too of Indonesian control.
@tripwire I don't support Basque independence, they are socialist Muslim-lovers. RADICAL left wing murderers who don't know history, they think Spaniards are aggressors when they themselves are Spaniards. Their ideas, like yours, contradict themselves.
@RightsAndPrivileges It is the right of people to wish to be free. If your fellow Basques want independence, that is their right. Although in their case, violence is not the solution.
@tripwire And that is because they knew that their lives would be better with the advent of new ideas and technology that they had not discovered yet. Comparing the British to the Roman is impossible, the British created nothing new, they merely relied on ancient arts. The Romans were pioneers in Architecture, Law, and Politics, which is why Roman Citizenship was held in the highest honor throughout the Roman Empire, from the West of Spain, East to Syria, South to North Africa.
@RightsAndPrivileges True, but the Romans failed in Britain. Because the peoples there treasured their culture, their religion and their history. They refused to be subjugated by Rome because that was their choice.
@tripwire The Romans did not fail in Britain, they controlled the region around modern-day London, which was the most densely populated region of the country. The North was wilderness, which is why Hadrian's Wall was built in the first place. If they had wished to further their expansion they would have.
@tripwire Peoples have a right to be free? And what determines that? Majority population? How does majority population come about? You think the Albanian Muslims have a right to illegaly secede Kosovo from Serbia because they have more people? How did that happen? Adolf Hitler assisted the Muslims in murdering over 750,000 Serbians in the Kosovo and Mehtohija regions as well as Serbia itself, and the Muslims reproduce at a rate 4x that of the rest of Europe, that is how it happened.
@tripwire Your argument of "self-determination" based on population dynamics means nothing when ethnic cleansing and genocide are taken into the picture as well as reproduction for political means.
@RightsAndPrivileges My argument was for freedom for people who wished to be free. Like the Acehnese in Indonesia and the Papuans to the east. If they feel that being free of a bigger nation is their right, then by all means they have the right to ask for self-determination.
@tripwire And by your argument, if I formed an army, marched south to Mexico, and murdered 75% of its people, while encouraging American immigration from Texas and Arizona into Mexico, Mexico should be a state in the USA, since there are more Americans than Mexicans.
@RightsAndPrivileges Maybe the North was just too wet & windy for them or maybe it was the midges. That's my contribution as one of the people from that great wilderness called the North.
@RightsAndPrivileges I was merely commenting on your explanation as to why the Romans conquered all of Britain apart from the North. It was meant to be a joke, but obviously it didn't work too well. Sorry for the confusion.
@robsargent4 Yeah well, that was also a joke, because the entire world saw what happened to the limeys after Goerring's messerschmidt bombardment of London, didn't they?
@tripwire A majority of Hitler's land was given to him without a struggle, whether it was through Neville Chamberlain's aggresive "appeasement" policy or the willfull annexation/surrender of Austria and Czechoslovakia. The fact that the British could not defend themselves against a military that was only used to police the native citizens of occupied countries is the funniest thing I have ever learned in studying history, by far.
@RightsAndPrivileges Amazing how you edited this, when you originally said the Gothic peoples were descendants of Romans. Are you really this dense? Germanic =/= Roman. Am I wrong to say you are a Visigoth? You are after all part German, so in theory, Visigoth. No? LOL.
@tripwire Edited? It's called a typo, which is why I removed the comment. The Visigoths are a Germanic people native to Scandanavia. Gothic faction =/= all the tribes encompassing modern-day Europe. Again, you can't understand the constant flux of change. You think one group set in time is owner of land, and no one else, when inter-marriage and immigration have long forfeited that misguided opinion. Again, nice try to change the subject because you're too afraid to acknowledge your own ignorance
@RightsAndPrivileges before I forget, note, Roman "incursion". Let's see, most of the discussion was based on the aspect of "invasion". Incursion, isn't that the same as invasion? Occupation, isn't that the same as colonialism? Amazing how a Roman-loving "historian" like yourself can be so fascinated with an empire that eventually crumbled to "barbarians". Germanic peoples, who eventually sacked Rome. Sad huh?
@tripwire n empire that eventually crumbled to "barbarians".
Lol, actually, on the contrary, any history professor or scholar will tell you the only reason the Roman Empire collapsed was because it grew too large to properly administer and maintain. So no, it's not sad, it's actually pretty funny.
@tripwire Incursion is the same as invasion. If my people lived in Spain before the Roman incursion, it couldn't have been any faction of the Goths because the Goths came about during the collapse of the Roman Empire. Lol I REALLY am sorry you don't have the brainpower to understand that.
@tripwire On top of the fact that almost all of the Olive Oil, which was the most important commodity in the Roman Empire, came from Hispania Baetica, which is modern day Spain.
@RightsAndPrivileges well each part of the Roman empire had commodities crucial to the growth of Rome. the same was done by Spain in the conquest of the New World.
@tripwire No, but Olive Oil was the most crucial. It was used for oil in torches, cooking oil, making soap, and countless others. Without Olive Oil the empire would have collapsed much earlier, and almost all of the Olive Oil was harvested in Spain.
@tripwire But I wouldn't expect someone who clings to the idea that "Indigenous" is actually a fact and not a fallacy to understand World War II in it's entirety, let alone that he is a hypocrite in denial.
And by the way, If i could get into a time machine and travel back to the time of the Romans, I would, because with the exception of Alexander, no other civilization thrived under the influence of as numerous of cultures as the Roman.
@RightsAndPrivileges A few roads here and there, buildings left behind, tools and artefacts left behind does not mean the Romans were by far the most influential of the Empires in the ancient world. The Chinese were a thriving nation, as was the Indian subcontinent. The Egyptian culture was thriving before the Romans arrived. Let's put it this way, the Stone Age was the best age. :) No religion, nothing, just them and nature.
@tripwire A few roads here and there, buildings left behind, tools and artefacts left behind does not mean the Romans were by far the most influential of the Empires in the ancient world
LOL That isn't the reason the Roman Empire was influential. The Roman Empire, like Alexander's, was influential because it served as a bridge between two or more cultures, and they thrived off of one another. You think Architecture alone constitutes historical influence?
@tripwire Alexander's campaigns brought the Politics, Literature, and Language of Greece to the far reaches of India, and vice-versa, as Roman politics brought to North Africa and the Middle East. Some of the best horses in the Roman Military were bred and the best cavalry men were from the colonies in Africa.
@tripwire The Egyptian culture was thriving before the Romans arrived
LOL It was thriving before the Muslims arrived too, wasn't it? As was Sudan, as was Jordan, as was Israel and Jerusalem, before the Muslim invasion left the holiest city in 2 major religions in decay and dust.
@tripwire women. You make it sound like a genocide occured in these areas, when history clearly shows that islands in the Caribbean like Puerto Rico were inhospitable and sparsely populated. Christopher Columbus wrote to the King (and lied) about immense reserves of gold, beautiful weather, etc. Every Spaniard that the Crown relocated to these areas died, it got to the point that the crown considered sending their criminals their to populate the islands the land was so destitute.
@tripwire Your argument is: "Oh, well the Romans invaded lands, so did the Crusaders."
Well, first off the Crusaders did not "Invade" their OWN land to defend Jerusalem. Jerusalem was long Christian/Jewish before a warlord murdered everyone in his path and placed his own cult at the head of the other 2 religions in the region. I digress, your point is that "two wrongs make a right" basically. And that's something I disagree with. So what if Roman's invaded land? If the Inquisition was enacted
@tripwire Oh yes, I know, tell me about it, The Romans messed up everything with their contributions to Architecture, Law, and Politics. You don't have to tell me.
@tripwire AS A RESULT OF THE INVASION of Spain? What kind of cult glorifies the murder of citizens that have absolutely nothing to do with the conflict? A cult you openly support, nonetheless, brainwashed by relentless pulses of propaganda diluted into the mainstream media. A sad day we are in, indeed.
This was in the context of the pagan rituals being carried out at Mecca by the Quraysh, and the new religion of Muhammad. Note, the Quraysh started the attacks on the Muslims, not the other way around.
@tripwire Look up the painting "Juan Ponce de Leon greets Chief Agueybana". Many native tribes welcomed the Spaniards because they saw the firearms and armor as a sign of advanced knowledge. As for the "Disease" you speak about, it was accidental at best. Europeans possessed an innate resistance to the Smallpox Virus, and when they set foot on these lands the peoples contracted it. There was no intentional transmission of such disease.
@RightsAndPrivileges I've seen that painting, and yes they were greeted with open arms, but what was the favour that was returned? The theft of the people's wealth, the enslavement and pretty much the grabbing of land that occurred.
@tripwire LOL if so much theft occured why do statues of the Conquistadors exist in South America and the Caribbean? Why is Juan Ponce de Leon revered in Puerto Rico? Why are cities named after such "Murderers" and "biological warfare spreaders"?
@RightsAndPrivileges Named by the colonial authorities no less. The Conquistadors named cities one after another with Spanish names. Why? Because it was their "right" as the invaders. Are you going to blame the Moors and Arabs if they gave Spanish cities Muslim names? The same occurred in every part of the world which was colonized by European powers.
@tripwire amed by the colonial authorities no less. The Conquistadors named cities one after another with Spanish names. Why? Because it was their "right" as the invaders
LOL then why didn't the peoples change it after they died or returned to Europe? Why has it been maintained? Do you understand how contradictory your views are? You basically argue with yourself.
@tripwire There were ARABIC names, not MUSLIM names, given to Spanish cities, and what happened when the Muslims were expelled? They were changed. Al-Andalus? The same is not said of South America or the Caribbean. Why is that?
@tripwire Arabic was brought as a language to Spain after the invasion. Cities were changed to Arabic. The names were changed back to the Spanish following the Reconquista, the original names, not the Arabic names IN Spanish.
@tripwire The Jews in Ancient Israel fought every invader from the Babylonians to the Assyrians to the Romans. But one force was welcomed, when Alexander entered Judaea the Jews favored him, and in turn, Israel/Judea retained political autonomy within Alexander's empire.
@tripwire That's because Alexander never stayed long enough to piss them off.
,,,,, The Jews fought the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Romans, upon their invasion. Not after they had already been there. They openly surrendered to Alexander, and learned and taught the Greek language.
@tripwire@tripwire It was an offensive attack launched against his own people because he believed he saw the Angel Gabriel and he knew what was right and wrong, and anyone who disagreed (namely, his own tribe) needed to follow or be killed. Which is the same course the Muslims take today. You phrase "his own people" in the context that if he murdered his old tribe he would have no support, by that time his cult had already grown to immense numbers.
@RightsAndPrivileges Well, Christians fight against Christians in war, do you see them complaining? They invoke the name of God as they go to war against one another. Wars raged on for years in Europe. Is it any different?
@tripwire Some peoples fall in love with the culture and the peoples of the invading force, as Spain did with the Romans. As the Jews did with Alexander. As many of the Natives of South America/Caribbean did with Spain.
@RightsAndPrivileges I never fell in love with the British as they colonized my nation, and then the Japanese. But I don't hate them. We retained British place and road names because they were convenient.
@tripwire The Jews fell in love with Alexander and Greek Hellenization, which is why during the time of Alexander's reign most Rabbi's translated the Torah and the Talmud into Greek from Hebrew and Aramaic. The same with the Spanish tribes during the Roman incursion. Roman citizenship was seen as deification, basically.
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gottloski 1 month ago
italians= dago wop guidos! portuguese= portagees.
French= frenchies. Russians= russkies. greek= sheep fuckers.
Native American tribes= deserve their land back!
dude75able 2 months ago
Beautiful
MultiDannyboy89 2 months ago
Why the fuck are people debatting about kosovo or iran on a video about bask folk song????? Euskadi has nothing to do with you fuckers
88Gaulois 2 months ago 3
@88Gaulois Well if you had read the whole argument instead of a single comment you would have known and not posted such a stupid comment, now wouldn't you of?
RightsAndPrivileges 2 months ago
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88Gaulois 2 months ago
@88Gaulois Calm down? Who said I wasn't calm?
RightsAndPrivileges 2 months ago
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frogpsychedelic 3 months ago 3
Does anybody have the lyrics?
alexbalmer728 3 months ago 2
Ni ez naiz hemengoa....
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago 5
But you saying "The Crusades were launched to acquire land and power" was also pretty hysterical. And as I'm typing this 3-4 other people are laughing hysterically reading it.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago 5
Look up the videos of the Iranians burning the Qu'ran in Tehran. You are so dumb I actually question why you were even born, to think the things you do that are so easily found anywhere you look. I wonder if you're in denial or if you're IQ really is 85.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago 5
are the same thing was just the final nail in the coffin.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago 5
Tens of thousands of Serbians were killed in the Battle of Kosovo, Kosovo itself is a Serbian word. The Albanians claim no relation to it, other than the fact the The Serbs are Christian, and the Albanians/Bosnians are Muslims, and in the Qu'ran the sworn enemies of the Muslims are the ahl al-qiytab, the "People of the Book." Good idea to stop responding though. I was truly getting bored. It was funny to see how stupid you were in the first few comments, but that one implying Arab and Muslim
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago 5
I realised something while taking a dump. All this hate and intolerance from you points to one fact, that you are clearly a Neo-Nazi in denial using some other excuse, in this case, anti-Islam, to perpetuate your hate. Before I stoop to your level of deception, by using history to pervert justice and truth, I'll stop feeding your hateful and deceptive mind by replying. Don't alter history to suit your purposes. The true anti-Semite is you given how you forget Arabs are Semites too.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire The true anti-Semite is you given how you forget Arabs are Semites too.
When did I say I hated Arabs? More stupidity. Arab and Muslim are not the same thing. There are large numbers of Christian Arabs in the Middle East, and a large number of Zoroastrian Arabs in the Middle East. Muslim=/=Arab. Why am I still trying to teach you things you should have learned in 1st grade? So what are the Zoroastrian Arabs (Iranians) burning the Qu'ran in Tehran? Are they racist against arabs too? LOL
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago 9
@RightsAndPrivileges Arabs= scarabs. Turks= jerks. Kurds= turds. Persians= soulless djinn.
Yahoodis= get more booty! Hindus= smell like curry poo. Asians= know kung fu
Africans= chosen people. Scots= jocks. Irish= micks. English= limeys.
Canucks= ducks. Americans= yanks. Aussies= larrakins. Germans= krauts.
Spaniards= spics. Puerto Ricans= greasers. Mexicans= beaners. Salvadorean= salvies.
Filipinos= filibeanos.
dude75able 2 months ago
@dude75able Lol what is this? Is this an attempt to make me attack Africans? Some of my best friends are of African descent, and 75% of my family living in the Bahamas is Black. Sorry, mission failed lol.
RightsAndPrivileges 2 months ago 4
@RightsAndPrivileges I'm Trinidadian and my best friend is Nigerian! So you failed in interpreting my words!
I also gave Africans a good rating. They are God's chosen people!
Praise JAHweh!
dude75able 2 months ago
All in, haters gonna hate. What else you gonna hate on? The Mexicans?
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire Uh oh, here comes the next race label. Mexicans? Why would I hate mexicans and when did I ever say/imply I did. Please start pasting, as I am, where I'm implying/saying these things, I'm curious, or are you just a complete psychotic?
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago 5
Before I forget, a Crusade was launched against the Byzantine Empire in 1204. Did you forget that, or did you think the Crusades were just launched simply because European nobility were bored and had to conquer more lands, in the name of God? The reasons were the same. It was for wealth and land. Same thing right now in the Middle East no? Oil, more oil, to power your vehicles and industry, at the expense of innocent lives.
tripwire 3 months ago
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@tripwire Before I forget, a Crusade was launched against the Byzantine Empire in 1204.
LOL that Crusade was already an act of retaliation and in the middle of all of the Crusades; the Crusades began in 1095 with a call to arms from Pope Urban. Why? Because someone invaded Jerusalem and burned the Temple Mount and church of the Holy Sepulchre to the ground. I won't say any names, you can pick up a book on the Crusades.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago 4
@tripwire did you think the Crusades were just launched simply because European nobility were bored and had to conquer more lands, in the name of God?
LOL Conquer more lands? The Crusades were launched to re-take Jerusalem. "Conquer more lands" that they had already controlled for more than a thousand years? LOL. I'm an atheist, but, my god man, you are truly a joke lol.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago 6
Calling me out on not knowing Marcus Aurelius and Octavian, which, for the record, I don't really care much about, is one way for you to hide the fact that you are oblivious to the great leaders of other regions. Read up about Pachacuti Inca Yupanqui, Read up about the Kangxi Emperor. Read up about Takeda Shingen, read up about Shaka Zulu. You so clearly ignore these great leaders in your obsession with what is essentially European in basis.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire Calling me out on not knowing Marcus Aurelius and Octavian, which, for the record, I don't really care much about
Ok, well you "not caring about it" doesn't hide the fact that they are two of the most influential/important political/philosophical figures in Human History.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
Email update says it all prior to you editing it. Error much?
tripwire 3 months ago
As you once mentioned, it is about rights and privileges. I have the right to think you are a dumb American, you have the right to think I'm a dumb pro-Muslim Asian, and I have the privilege to say, get on your time machine. :)
tripwire 3 months ago
Besides I really don't see how the midge joke = messerschmidt bombing. LOL
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire What does the midge joke have to do with the Nazi bombing campaign of London? I never said it had anything to do with it. I was returning the sarcasm that some random limey decided to throw out, knowing full well his own country under Neville Chamberlain fomented and encouraged German Lebensraum and World War II. Screaming in the streets "Heil Hitler" one day, begging for US Intervention while hiding underground in London the next.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Aww, let me guess, too many American soldiers died defending the "Limeys". So funny that they HAD to rely on the atomic bomb to beat, guess what? An Asian nation. Hypocrisy at its best when the US invades other nations on the pretext of terrorism. Forgot Nicaragua? Cuba perhaps?
tripwire 3 months ago
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@tripwire So funny that they HAD to rely on the atomic bomb to beat, guess what? An Asian nation.
A.) The US Military would have completely decimated the Japanese military eventually, all it did was save more lives on both sides of the war.
B.) When did I ever say or imply anything against Asians? Lol I have more respect for the Japanese and Chinese than you ever will, Japan infrastructure was completely destroyed with the Nuclear Weapons, and 60 years later they are leading the world in
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
I got an even better idea, how about you take a time machine to the time of the Roman Empire, which you so clearly love, and stay there?
tripwire 3 months ago
Kosovo and Mehtohija are forever Serbia, by the way.
I, from the U.S., do not recognize the Islamic occupied Kosovo as an independent nation.
Pozdrav
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges So a flag of the IRA melded with the Jordanian flag = pro-Muslim? First you say you are a Basque, now you say you are an American Irish. Identity crisis much? My school system biased? LOL. We produce more smart people than the American education system. Murders of Australian children? You forgot the Stolen Generations of Aborigine children by WHITE Australian policies? Very easy to whitewash all these facts and blame everything on the Muslims.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire Identity Crisis much? Multiculturalism much? We live in a nation that has guaranteed rights to all races while yours was most likely still throwing spears at tribes of a different cloth color. I wouldn't even both to argue with that.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges My people have been in my country before the Europeans arrived to grab the lands from the Native Americans.
tripwire 3 months ago
The US government recognizes the independence of Kosovo as a whole. You don't but oddly your government does.
tripwire 3 months ago
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@tripwire "The US government recognizes the independence of Kosovo as a whole. You don't but oddly your government does."
Since when does the US Government, the largest criminal organization in the world, represent the American people? After they said no more spending? Or aftey they voted for Gore and Bush won the election? Are you dumb enough to not understand popular vs electoral vote? Lol.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Indeed, your fellow citizens voted them into power. Who's the criminal now? I never agreed with Bush being President in the first place. Gore was supposed to win, period. :)
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire Indeed, your fellow citizens voted them into power.
LOL I'll take that as a "No, I don't understand the difference between popular and electoral votes."
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges So, is Xinjiang, Tibet and Inner Mongolia forever China? Is Papua forever Indonesia? Is Bougainville forever Papua New Guinea? The fact remains, territorial disputes occur all over the world, and not just between Muslim people and others. The Atacama desert dispute between Chile and Bolivia is a case in point. Your country only recognises the independence of others and invades others at will because they have an economic benefit to the USA. Oil that made you invade Iraq.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire Let's put it this way, you will never agree with what I say, and I will never agree with your anti-Muslim stance, so this whole discussion is going nowhere. I'll leave you to your anti-Muslim conspiracy theories and Tea Party ideas, and remind myself that I am lucky to have gone through a non-biased education system that does not breed bigots. :)
tripwire 3 months ago
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RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire how about the Spanish leave these two territories?
Lol leave territories they built? How about you leave your house because it belongs to the "indigenous" natives, and not you? The word "indigenous" is paradoxical; a word you seem to have a secret love affair with, you hide behind it in every implication you post like a mouse scurries under a rock. Using that definition no land would belong to any one because the entire human species originates at one fixed coordinate.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Funny huh, my maternal side is native to this land. You are a ridiculous person indeed. The point still remains, Ceuta and Melilla are still occupied territories.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire I like how you diverted away from the fact that you support genocide and illegal immigration in order to majority rule a set region, instinctively demonstrating lack of knowledge of the theory of "tyranny of the masses." Another great example of how 4th world your school system really is.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges I doubly like the fact that you whitewash everything with your anti-Muslim rhetoric. :) 4th world? LOL. Keep staying under your rock.
tripwire 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges 4th world system still produces kids who beats yours in Maths and Science. So much for your "world rankings".
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire I'll leave you to your anti-Muslim conspiracy theories and Tea Party ideas
Conspiracies? Aren't you trying to argue that Oppression stems solely from the West and men with White Skin? That's all everyone read in all of your comments, the subliminal hatred of anyone with a lighter skin color.
As for my "Tea Party Ideas" ....? Who says I support any political platform? Or is that another random assumption you made in another rambling diatribe?
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Right, and to you anyone else who just happens to be Muslim or pro-Muslim is automatically a person deserving of hate. It is clearly seen that Europeans tried to conquer others, even themselves. What are you truly protecting? Your pro-colonialism ideas? Did I touch a raw nerve when I mentioned the Tea Party?
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire Did I touch a raw nerve when I mentioned the Tea Party?
Not quite you haven't touched any nerves other than my funny bone. Lol. I've gotten good amusement out of this talk, as have many of the people I've shown it to.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
Yet oddly, you speak of 800 years of "Muslim occupation" of Spain. Have you wondered, the blame lies in the inept kings, lords and barons who were supposed to keep Spain's shores safe? Still, the Moors and Arabs came across the sea and invaded your country. Later on the French, and then the Germans came. During the Inquisition, the Muslims and Jews who refused to convert were expelled, what's the difference?
tripwire 3 months ago
I never said anything about Hitler. I don't hate Jews. Hell one of my oldest pals is a Jew from Israel. Nobody said anything about crying for the "persecution" of Muslims. But have you forgotten what the Huguenots underwent at the hands of the church? The conflict in Darfur was between Muslim African tribes and Arab tribes. I for one do not agree with the actions of the Arab tribes.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire The main point is that the juxtapositions you draw from these histories blatantly shows one faction more negatively than the other, as much as you twist and contort it to fit your own liberal views so you can feel good when you go to sleep at night. You talk about keeping shores safe? Why should the shores have been kept safe? If there were not animals invading the land on all sides of them every chance they got there would be no need to "keep the shores safe."
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire The conflict in Darfur is not between Arabs and Muslims, There are no Arabs in Sudan. It is ethnic Africans, and Arab MUSLIMS. The conflict represents Muslim incursion and encroachment from North Africa southward.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
Long live the Basque people, may you live free in your homeland again, free from the rule of a foreign nation that claims your lands as its own.
tripwire 3 months ago
Hello. My name is Daniel, I´m brazilian and one of my surnames is Pamplona. My family used to say that is connected with the very city of Pamplona, because when people used to spread around the world centuries ago, they used to adopt as a surname the place where they came from. Do you know anyone in Navarra with the same surname? Do you have any idea about my family´s history? Thank you!
DanCPV85 3 months ago
@DanCPV85 Interesting story. I didn't know that some people adopted their home village, town or city as their surname when they emigrated. Do you know if it's just people from the Iberian Peninsula who did this or was it a general European thing? I have relatives in Canada, the US, Australia & Sweden, as well as England & Northern Ireland, but as far as I know none of their ancestors adopted their home town as their surname when they left Scotland.
robsargent4 3 months ago
The fact you consider Spain to "occupy" Euskal Herria and you support the Islamic genocide against Serbs signifies you are a Muslim sympathizer; more than 750,000 Christian Serbians were murdered in their own land by Hitler's SS Skanderbeg division (Albanian/Bosnian Muslims), and The Muslims in Israel today are Syrian or Jordanian. There was no "Palestine" in the 1940's, 1950's, it came all of the sudden out of no where to create sympathy for the Muslims and antipathy for the Jews.
RightsAndPrivileges 4 months ago
nice song and great people ,,,, Free Basque !!
jeraissi 4 months ago
It is a pre-indoeuropean language (preserved since the time when all the Romans, germans, Slaves were stil somewhere in the central Asia or just were still not there, at all...)
Mieszkoy 7 months ago
ASKATASUNA!
aragon89 8 months ago
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ESATEKOBEHARRANUEN 8 months ago
basque is langauge spoken in a reigon of people that origninated from a trible that was in north spain and parts of south spain it has no similarity to other european langauges it does not come from africa but it is not based on latin like alot of european languages in its area like spanish,french,portugese italian
mrquaresma 9 months ago
Sa eusku sho meshdu ta matnish tsanxana tisber, once upon a time when Spaniards occupied My Eskulantd a man left the country to a palace where people like him could understand the language of those hosts, now I find it hard to understand the modern Euskadi
coexno1980 9 months ago
@coexno1980 Basque is Spain. There is no occupation.
RightsAndPrivileges 7 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges yeah, of course, we are Spain, Kurdistan is Turkey, Northern Ireland is UK, Chechnya is Russia, Corsica is french and Palestine is just an imaginary place.
EHSuge 4 months ago
@EHSuge And that is because only the greatest nations in the world (Roman Empire, Spanish Empire, USA) have had these identity problems as a result of unity amongst different peoples and languages.
RightsAndPrivileges 4 months ago
@EHSuge The entire world has a common enemy, the Muslim, and to incite violence against your own people as ETA does, and to blame a nation that will eventually be your ally in the upcoming War the way the IRA does only makes you a sympathizer for the Islamic NWO. The IRA has the audacity to paint a Mural in Belfast of the Irish flag mixed in with the Muslim flag of a "country" that has never existed; "Palestine" is a Roman invention to spite the Jews, who have inhabited Israel for thousands
RightsAndPrivileges 4 months ago
@EHSuge of years. Well I don't think Northern Ireland is UK, I think Northern Ireland should be united with Ireland, but I disagree with the IRA because they act like Muslims and ally themselves with the Muslims. Same with ETA.
RightsAndPrivileges 4 months ago
@EHSuge But yes, Spain is one. Kosovo is Serbia, Kashmir is India, Chechnya is Russia, and "Palaestina" is a Roman invention, the rechristening of nothing more than ISRAEL/JUDAEA.
RightsAndPrivileges 4 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges of course... if we are going to talk about institutions or "official" recognitions, none of those countries or peoples do exist. But the fact is that they do exist. They do not have any state or national institutions, but they exist. Chechnya, Corsica, Palestine, Kosovo, the Basque Country... And they deserve recognition, putting historical discussions apart, because what really matters --today-- is the will of the people, the right of self-determination.
EHSuge 4 months ago
@EHSuge Kosovo and Chechnya do not exist, nor does Palestine. Palestine is a Roman word from Palaestina (Land of the Philistines). If you have not noticed, all of the above areas are the end result of Muslim invasion. Kosovo became majority Muslim after the Muslims murdered over 750,000 Serbians during WWII with Hitler and Tito's help. Kosovo is Forever Serbia. There is no such thing as Palestine. And Chechnya is Russia.
RightsAndPrivileges 4 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges So the Caucasian republics are non-existent to you? Mind you they were worshipping other gods and deities before the arrival of the Mongol hordes, and here you are saying the Muslims are at wrong? Are you warping history to suit your purposes?
tripwire 3 months ago
The fact you consider Spain to "occupy" Euskal Herria and you support the Islamic genocide against Serbs signifies you are a Muslim sympathizer; more than 750,000 Christian Serbians were murdered in their own land by Hitler's SS Skanderbeg division (Albanian/Bosnian Muslims), and The Muslims in Israel today are Syrian or Jordanian. There was no "Palestine" in the 1940's, 1950's, it came all of the sudden out of no where to create sympathy for the Muslims and antipathy for the Jews.
RightsAndPrivileges 4 months ago
The Muslim is the true occupier, where is the Muslim apology for the Islamic occupation of Spain for 800 years? Have you forgotten that? Ah, I think you have.
RightsAndPrivileges 4 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges In that 800 years, they contributed much to the architecture and culture of modern Spain. You can say they occupied your nation for 800 years, but why are the Spanish still occupying Ceuta and Melilla? On that count you can even say the British have no right to be on Gibraltar. The Spanish conquered and murdered many many countless native peoples of the Americas in the name of Christ. See history through unbiased eyes before you talk nonsense.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire Architecture and culture? You think contributing to Culture lies in fascism? Christians were forced to convert to Islam, pay a Dhimmi tax and accept 2nd-class citizenship, or be killed. So you think that because the Muslims forced Islam upon countries they invaded that makes them better than the Christians? Don't waste my time. Architecture was contributed? One of the oldest libraries in Grenada was burned to the ground, and one of the biggest mosques built on the ashes.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Dhimmi is bullshit, period. You dredge up the past over shit that people did in the Middle Ages, and you just go over the crap that people did during the Crusades. It was war, and people die. See it in that context. So what if the oldest library in Grenada burned down? The Romans destroyed the library in Alexandria. Isn't that a bigger loss? What about the culture loss in the Americas from Spain's colonisation? Note, Ottoman stupidity =/= all Muslims.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire The Romans destroyed the library in Alexandria. Isn't that a bigger loss? What about the culture loss in the Americas from Spain's colonisation?"
It's "colonization". As for the "culture loss" in Latin America that you're referring to I wasn't aware that every Taino in Puerto Rico y Cuba and every Indian in Mexico forgot their history, on the contrary; what do the Puerto Ricans call themselves? Boricua. And Where does Boricua come from? Borikuen, which is what the Tainos of Puerto Rico
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire called themselves.
The "crap people did during the Crusades"? Why were the Crusades even launched? Answer that question. 13 Crusades, 13 seperate wars, why did the chain reaction occur in the first place? Oh, ok.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire Study history before you make yourself look like an idiot. "Occupying" Ceuta and Melilla? What are the populations of persons there? Less than 77,000. It is not an occupation if the amount of people living under foreign governance are too small to rely on themselves or elect their own government as well as being descendants of the "Occupier". I'm afraid someone else needs to review their biased interpretation of the word "Occupation".
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges It is still an occupation of lands that do not originally belong to Spain, so what the hell are you blabbering about? You sir are the one who needs to review YOUR interpretation of the word occupation. :)
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire "It is still an occupation of lands that do not originally belong to Spain"
If we use that definition than no land would belong to anybody. Iran does not belong to the Muslims, or the Persians. Israel doesn't belong to the Jews, the Basque country to the Basques, the United States to the Native Americans. The lands that peoples inhabit now would not belong to them. That statement is hypocrisy and paradoxical at best.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire behind me, come and kill him!"
You ask me to cry for the "persecutions" the Muslims endure? My tears were wasted on my ancestors before the reconquest, my tears were wasted on the Serbians who lost their own country to an Islamic invader, to the Russians murdered by the Muslims in Chechnya, the Hindu's murdered in Islamic Kashmir, the Africans murdered by the North African Muslims in Darfur, the Armenians murdered by the Muslims in Turkey, the 750,000 Serbians murdered and crucified
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire crucified by Albanian/Bosnian Muslim members of Hitler's SS in the former Yugoslavia. You probably still consider Hitler to be a devout Catholic don't you moron? Try reading about Operation Rabat. Or Hitler's Table Talks from 1942, read what he said about Christianity and Islam.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire "In that 800 years, they contributed much to the architecture and culture of modern Spain."
Lol that actually made me "laugh out loud." Another Muslim, I wouldn't doubt, you rats infest Youtube and Wikipedia like a Day-Job; manipulating articles and creating fabrications on Youtube to rally support against the USA and Israel. But you see your own Regimes are self-destructing. The Zoroastrians in PERSIA and the Hindus in Kashmir are throwing off the shackles.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges So everyone single person on this earth who disagrees with your bigoted views is automatically a Muslim? For one who reacts so strongly to disagreeing comments, you must be one hateful person. Didn't Jesus teach you to love your enemy? Guess I should ask my Catholic relatives what they think of goons like you who hijack the religion to flame Islam because of your distorted sense of history. :D
tripwire 3 months ago
"Didn't Jesus teach you to love your enemy? Guess I should ask my Catholic relatives what they think of goons like you who hijack the religion"
Lol.
A.) Who said I was a Christian OR a Catholic?
B.) Christians and Catholics aren't the only ones who "flame" Islam, apostates to Islam that are threatened "flame" Islam, as do Zoroastrians, as do Atheists/Agnostics, as do the Buddhists being armed by the Thai government to resist Islamic incursion and violence, as do the Hindus like the man who
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Islamic incursion in Thailand. What a joke. The Kingdom of Pattani existed as a separate Malay sultanate before the Thais invaded. They were defeated as was Spain by the Moors in 711. Now after years of Thai "occupation", is it wrong for them to fight for their independence? Violent methods gave freedom to East Timor and Eritrea, yet what is the big difference? Spain fought to regain Spanish lands during the Reconquista no? So what's the difference?
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire The problem with your argument is you believe Muslims are justified in murdering people in dozens of countries across numerous continents for "regaining their land." But you see, the Muslims don't control the world, every nation on every continent is not theirs. In fact, using your argument you would contradict yourself because Israel would be justified in reclaiming its land from the Muslim invasion of Jerusalem that sparked the Crusades. Your points are blurry and contradictory at
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire murdered Ghandi. You attempt to confine criticism and shackle it to a post, hence, why you have no argument and don't know your history. Juxtaposition is the key to understanding. And Islam as a cult to the Abrahamic religions or Atheism/Agnosticism is a juxtaposition you cannot make. Because you have not read the Qu'ran, or the Hadith, because if you had read the Hadith: "Sahih al-bukhari", translated as "The most true", you would have read: "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me,
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges By this you pretty much condoned the fact that a Hindu assassinated Mahatma Gandhi. He had the right vision just like Yitzhak Rabin, only to be killed by a zealot of their respective faiths. The same has occurred throughout history with every religion.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire As for the assassination of Ghandi, who wrote to Hitler as "my friend", I don't really have a stance on his death. Neutrality would be the best description. He was assassinated by a Hindu because the assassin believed he was sacrificing Indian interests for Islamic ones.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire best. You most likely condemn the Serbs for the defensive actions they took in Kosovo, or the Jews in Israel for their "attacks on innocent *PALESTINIANS*", yet the same condemnation is not issued for the genocide against the Serbs in Kosovo, the Hebron and Tiberias massacres in Israel of which ovber 60% of the victims were children.
Again, the entire world does not belong to the Muslim.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges I never condemned the Serbs for their actions. I feel that massacres like the one at Srebrenica could have been avoided. Israel fought in self-defense, though what is the point in killing rock-throwing kids with tanks and rifles? It's like throwing boulders at a stick. Last but not least, I never said the entire world belongs to Muslims. I am of the opinion that the world is a place to be shared equally, but not by religious zealots.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire "Massacres" like the one at Srebrenica? LOL. The Muslim is the master of lies, as the Prophet Muhammed said in the Qu'ran: "War is deception."
Look up the Racak "Massacre" a proven hoax in Kosovo. The KLA took their uniforms off of the dead bodies and put civilian clothing on them. Even the New World Order United Nations identified this fraud.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges So Srebrenica is a fabrication in your eyes? War has always been about deception. The deception of Atahualpa of the Inca Empire by Pizarro. Need I say more? In the thirst for gold and more slaves, Spain went on the conquest of the New World and what did the peoples of Latin America get? Disease, slavery and destruction, followed by years and years of Spanish colonization, or should I say, "occupation". In that sense, shouldn't Spain apologize too?
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire did the peoples of Latin America get? Disease, slavery and destruction"
Quite a laundry list of disdain you have for the developed peoples of the world. What did the peoples of Latin America get? How about Knowledge, Love, and in certain cases cooperation. How is it that Spanish became the 2nd most spoken first language in the world? Who are these "Latinos" (Latin + Taino) that inhabit South America? How do you think they reproduced? The Spaniards had no wives, and many married native
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Last I checked, South America did not contain just the Taino alone. Have you forgotten the diseases that the Conquistadors brought along with them? What about the gold stolen from the peoples of South and Central America to fund Spain's coffers? What about the raw materials, the slaves taken from these lands to feed Spain's lust for wealth and power?
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire I just spoke about the diseases you insinuated were deliberately spread, when they were accidental. As for the gold "stolen" from these peoples, I'm pretty sure El Dorado was never found, and some of these people were not harvesting gold, and still others had no idea the land possessed it, nor what it was.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire The taino population is not located in South America, it is native to the Caribbean, namely, Puerto Rico and Cuba.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Then what about the Carib, the Arawak. Heck the people of Hispaniola, who were eventually made into slaves to work the mines and fields? Did Columbus's arrival really bring anything good to the natives? Did they really need to be Christianised?
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire LOL the people of Hispaniola that were made into Slaves? My people were in Spain before the Roman incursion, and during the rise of the Spanish empire made significant contributions to it's rise. My ancestors built and manned Columbus ships to the New World. There was no slavery.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges So you're a descendant of the Visigoths then?
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire No, I'm a descendant of the Basques.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges You know it's funny, I actually support the Basques and their independence movement. And this is not because of hate towards Spain. I just feel that Basque country should be free, as should Pattani be in Thailand. That goes without question, that Papua should be free too of Indonesian control.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire I don't support Basque independence, they are socialist Muslim-lovers. RADICAL left wing murderers who don't know history, they think Spaniards are aggressors when they themselves are Spaniards. Their ideas, like yours, contradict themselves.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges It is the right of people to wish to be free. If your fellow Basques want independence, that is their right. Although in their case, violence is not the solution.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire And that is because they knew that their lives would be better with the advent of new ideas and technology that they had not discovered yet. Comparing the British to the Roman is impossible, the British created nothing new, they merely relied on ancient arts. The Romans were pioneers in Architecture, Law, and Politics, which is why Roman Citizenship was held in the highest honor throughout the Roman Empire, from the West of Spain, East to Syria, South to North Africa.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges True, but the Romans failed in Britain. Because the peoples there treasured their culture, their religion and their history. They refused to be subjugated by Rome because that was their choice.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire The Romans did not fail in Britain, they controlled the region around modern-day London, which was the most densely populated region of the country. The North was wilderness, which is why Hadrian's Wall was built in the first place. If they had wished to further their expansion they would have.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Well, the Picts refused to be subjugated so at least give them credit ^^
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire Peoples have a right to be free? And what determines that? Majority population? How does majority population come about? You think the Albanian Muslims have a right to illegaly secede Kosovo from Serbia because they have more people? How did that happen? Adolf Hitler assisted the Muslims in murdering over 750,000 Serbians in the Kosovo and Mehtohija regions as well as Serbia itself, and the Muslims reproduce at a rate 4x that of the rest of Europe, that is how it happened.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire Your argument of "self-determination" based on population dynamics means nothing when ethnic cleansing and genocide are taken into the picture as well as reproduction for political means.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges My argument was for freedom for people who wished to be free. Like the Acehnese in Indonesia and the Papuans to the east. If they feel that being free of a bigger nation is their right, then by all means they have the right to ask for self-determination.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire And by your argument, if I formed an army, marched south to Mexico, and murdered 75% of its people, while encouraging American immigration from Texas and Arizona into Mexico, Mexico should be a state in the USA, since there are more Americans than Mexicans.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Maybe the North was just too wet & windy for them or maybe it was the midges. That's my contribution as one of the people from that great wilderness called the North.
robsargent4 3 months ago
@robsargent4 I don't understand what you're saying?
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges I was merely commenting on your explanation as to why the Romans conquered all of Britain apart from the North. It was meant to be a joke, but obviously it didn't work too well. Sorry for the confusion.
robsargent4 3 months ago
@robsargent4 Oh a sarcastic joke? I see. Like if I said Britain lasted as long as it did because of it's powerful air force?
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago 11
@RightsAndPrivileges Something like that.
robsargent4 3 months ago
@robsargent4 He probably didn't get the midges bit since he's more of a history buff, not so much a person who likes Scottish humour. ^^
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire well if he came & found out for himself I think he'd understand it better.
robsargent4 3 months ago
@robsargent4 Yeah well, that was also a joke, because the entire world saw what happened to the limeys after Goerring's messerschmidt bombardment of London, didn't they?
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges jawohl
robsargent4 3 months ago
@robsargent4 haha, yes so true.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire A majority of Hitler's land was given to him without a struggle, whether it was through Neville Chamberlain's aggresive "appeasement" policy or the willfull annexation/surrender of Austria and Czechoslovakia. The fact that the British could not defend themselves against a military that was only used to police the native citizens of occupied countries is the funniest thing I have ever learned in studying history, by far.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
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@tripwire You say you are educated, I told you my people were in Spain before the Roman Incurison, and you said: "Oh, so you're a visigoth?"
.... The Gothic peoples were descendants of Scandanavians..... Welcome to 6th grade World History.
Quite a terrific "educational system" you have wherever you are, truly.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Amazing how you edited this, when you originally said the Gothic peoples were descendants of Romans. Are you really this dense? Germanic =/= Roman. Am I wrong to say you are a Visigoth? You are after all part German, so in theory, Visigoth. No? LOL.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire Edited? It's called a typo, which is why I removed the comment. The Visigoths are a Germanic people native to Scandanavia. Gothic faction =/= all the tribes encompassing modern-day Europe. Again, you can't understand the constant flux of change. You think one group set in time is owner of land, and no one else, when inter-marriage and immigration have long forfeited that misguided opinion. Again, nice try to change the subject because you're too afraid to acknowledge your own ignorance
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges before I forget, note, Roman "incursion". Let's see, most of the discussion was based on the aspect of "invasion". Incursion, isn't that the same as invasion? Occupation, isn't that the same as colonialism? Amazing how a Roman-loving "historian" like yourself can be so fascinated with an empire that eventually crumbled to "barbarians". Germanic peoples, who eventually sacked Rome. Sad huh?
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire n empire that eventually crumbled to "barbarians".
Lol, actually, on the contrary, any history professor or scholar will tell you the only reason the Roman Empire collapsed was because it grew too large to properly administer and maintain. So no, it's not sad, it's actually pretty funny.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire Incursion is the same as invasion. If my people lived in Spain before the Roman incursion, it couldn't have been any faction of the Goths because the Goths came about during the collapse of the Roman Empire. Lol I REALLY am sorry you don't have the brainpower to understand that.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire On top of the fact that almost all of the Olive Oil, which was the most important commodity in the Roman Empire, came from Hispania Baetica, which is modern day Spain.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges well each part of the Roman empire had commodities crucial to the growth of Rome. the same was done by Spain in the conquest of the New World.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire No, but Olive Oil was the most crucial. It was used for oil in torches, cooking oil, making soap, and countless others. Without Olive Oil the empire would have collapsed much earlier, and almost all of the Olive Oil was harvested in Spain.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire But I wouldn't expect someone who clings to the idea that "Indigenous" is actually a fact and not a fallacy to understand World War II in it's entirety, let alone that he is a hypocrite in denial.
And by the way, If i could get into a time machine and travel back to the time of the Romans, I would, because with the exception of Alexander, no other civilization thrived under the influence of as numerous of cultures as the Roman.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges A few roads here and there, buildings left behind, tools and artefacts left behind does not mean the Romans were by far the most influential of the Empires in the ancient world. The Chinese were a thriving nation, as was the Indian subcontinent. The Egyptian culture was thriving before the Romans arrived. Let's put it this way, the Stone Age was the best age. :) No religion, nothing, just them and nature.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire A few roads here and there, buildings left behind, tools and artefacts left behind does not mean the Romans were by far the most influential of the Empires in the ancient world
LOL That isn't the reason the Roman Empire was influential. The Roman Empire, like Alexander's, was influential because it served as a bridge between two or more cultures, and they thrived off of one another. You think Architecture alone constitutes historical influence?
LOL dude, good idea, stop replying.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire Alexander's campaigns brought the Politics, Literature, and Language of Greece to the far reaches of India, and vice-versa, as Roman politics brought to North Africa and the Middle East. Some of the best horses in the Roman Military were bred and the best cavalry men were from the colonies in Africa.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
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@tripwire The Egyptian culture was thriving before the Romans arrived
LOL It was thriving before the Muslims arrived too, wasn't it? As was Sudan, as was Jordan, as was Israel and Jerusalem, before the Muslim invasion left the holiest city in 2 major religions in decay and dust.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire women. You make it sound like a genocide occured in these areas, when history clearly shows that islands in the Caribbean like Puerto Rico were inhospitable and sparsely populated. Christopher Columbus wrote to the King (and lied) about immense reserves of gold, beautiful weather, etc. Every Spaniard that the Crown relocated to these areas died, it got to the point that the crown considered sending their criminals their to populate the islands the land was so destitute.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire Your argument is: "Oh, well the Romans invaded lands, so did the Crusaders."
Well, first off the Crusaders did not "Invade" their OWN land to defend Jerusalem. Jerusalem was long Christian/Jewish before a warlord murdered everyone in his path and placed his own cult at the head of the other 2 religions in the region. I digress, your point is that "two wrongs make a right" basically. And that's something I disagree with. So what if Roman's invaded land? If the Inquisition was enacted
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges You still can't deny that the Romans pretty much messed up Judaea.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire Oh yes, I know, tell me about it, The Romans messed up everything with their contributions to Architecture, Law, and Politics. You don't have to tell me.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire AS A RESULT OF THE INVASION of Spain? What kind of cult glorifies the murder of citizens that have absolutely nothing to do with the conflict? A cult you openly support, nonetheless, brainwashed by relentless pulses of propaganda diluted into the mainstream media. A sad day we are in, indeed.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire "Never do two religions exist in Arabia."
- Muhammed
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
This was in the context of the pagan rituals being carried out at Mecca by the Quraysh, and the new religion of Muhammad. Note, the Quraysh started the attacks on the Muslims, not the other way around.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire Look up the painting "Juan Ponce de Leon greets Chief Agueybana". Many native tribes welcomed the Spaniards because they saw the firearms and armor as a sign of advanced knowledge. As for the "Disease" you speak about, it was accidental at best. Europeans possessed an innate resistance to the Smallpox Virus, and when they set foot on these lands the peoples contracted it. There was no intentional transmission of such disease.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges I've seen that painting, and yes they were greeted with open arms, but what was the favour that was returned? The theft of the people's wealth, the enslavement and pretty much the grabbing of land that occurred.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire LOL if so much theft occured why do statues of the Conquistadors exist in South America and the Caribbean? Why is Juan Ponce de Leon revered in Puerto Rico? Why are cities named after such "Murderers" and "biological warfare spreaders"?
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Named by the colonial authorities no less. The Conquistadors named cities one after another with Spanish names. Why? Because it was their "right" as the invaders. Are you going to blame the Moors and Arabs if they gave Spanish cities Muslim names? The same occurred in every part of the world which was colonized by European powers.
tripwire 3 months ago
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@tripwire amed by the colonial authorities no less. The Conquistadors named cities one after another with Spanish names. Why? Because it was their "right" as the invaders
LOL then why didn't the peoples change it after they died or returned to Europe? Why has it been maintained? Do you understand how contradictory your views are? You basically argue with yourself.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire There were ARABIC names, not MUSLIM names, given to Spanish cities, and what happened when the Muslims were expelled? They were changed. Al-Andalus? The same is not said of South America or the Caribbean. Why is that?
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Because Spanish is the language they speak now? And for that reason it was convenient to keep the place names?
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire Arabic was brought as a language to Spain after the invasion. Cities were changed to Arabic. The names were changed back to the Spanish following the Reconquista, the original names, not the Arabic names IN Spanish.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire The Jews in Ancient Israel fought every invader from the Babylonians to the Assyrians to the Romans. But one force was welcomed, when Alexander entered Judaea the Jews favored him, and in turn, Israel/Judea retained political autonomy within Alexander's empire.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges That's because Alexander never stayed long enough to piss them off. :)
tripwire 3 months ago
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@tripwire That's because Alexander never stayed long enough to piss them off.
,,,,, The Jews fought the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Romans, upon their invasion. Not after they had already been there. They openly surrendered to Alexander, and learned and taught the Greek language.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@tripwire @tripwire It was an offensive attack launched against his own people because he believed he saw the Angel Gabriel and he knew what was right and wrong, and anyone who disagreed (namely, his own tribe) needed to follow or be killed. Which is the same course the Muslims take today. You phrase "his own people" in the context that if he murdered his old tribe he would have no support, by that time his cult had already grown to immense numbers.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges Well, Christians fight against Christians in war, do you see them complaining? They invoke the name of God as they go to war against one another. Wars raged on for years in Europe. Is it any different?
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire Some peoples fall in love with the culture and the peoples of the invading force, as Spain did with the Romans. As the Jews did with Alexander. As many of the Natives of South America/Caribbean did with Spain.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago
@RightsAndPrivileges I never fell in love with the British as they colonized my nation, and then the Japanese. But I don't hate them. We retained British place and road names because they were convenient.
tripwire 3 months ago
@tripwire The Jews fell in love with Alexander and Greek Hellenization, which is why during the time of Alexander's reign most Rabbi's translated the Torah and the Talmud into Greek from Hebrew and Aramaic. The same with the Spanish tribes during the Roman incursion. Roman citizenship was seen as deification, basically.
RightsAndPrivileges 3 months ago