Christopher Hitchens on Charlie Rose 06-Nov-01 (Part 2)

[CosmosLoyal]

Great to hear Hitchens supported the removal of the fascist dictator Galtieri from the Falklands. Another strange and intriguing, de-facto bedfellow of the 'anti-war' movement.

[voxesencial]

The term, fool, the term

[bobjones864]

Charlie Rose is the only television interviewer I've seen who is up to the task of dealing with Christopher Hitchens.

[Stoby82]

That's because he's honestly trying to learn what the guest believes. EVERYONE else seems to be using guests as a sounding board for their own agenda.

[JohnAdamCulligan]

You may respectfully disagree, but I would say Peter Robinson of Uncommon Knowledge also does well with Hitchens - incidentally, for the same basic reason Stoby82 pointed out.

[voxesencial]

this is where "islamo-fascism" comes from

[tchicherine]

To be fair, Chomsky doesn't say that Islamist terrorism is nothing new. He says that US foreign policy is not directed at countering it, despite the claims of the administration to contrary, and that the real goals are power and hegemony rather than security and justice.

[ManchuDan22]

Chomsky has been parreting the same tired vague accusations for years. Hitch is exactly right, Chomsky has not had a new thought in 20 years, he is old school marxist, hates the US, and the rest is hot air.

[tchicherine]

Nobody who knew anything about Chomsky would call him a Marxist. He has argued against Marxism and rejected communism many times. Just because Hitch is travelling the well-worn path from to pro-war ideologue, doesn't mean others must do so also.

[tchicherine]

Let's try that again:

Nobody who knew anything about Chomsky would call him a Marxist. He has argued extensively against Marxism and rejected communism many times. Just because Hitchens is traveling the well-worn path from New Left dove to pro-war demagogue, previously trodden by several neoconservative luminaries, doesn't mean everyone else must do so also.

[rebelmusicfan]

Chomsky is a harsh critiqe of Marxist-Lenninism attacking both Trotsky and Lennin (bringing revolt against him from the communists) he is an Anarchist he subscribes to Bakunin and Kroptkin NOT Marx and Eangles.

Now Hitchens is a MARXIST WHO BELIVES CAPITALISM IS MORE REVOLUTIONARY. So the person you are rooting for is the Marxist

Now I ask you this can you think of one issue aside from the war on terror that Hitchens and Chomsky disagree about ?

[snookybutts]

What Slobodan Milosevic was, and the meaning of Nato's intervention in the Kosovo war.

[TheTopBloke]

Then accordingly, can we conclude that Hitchens is a new school Marxist, ie. Neocon?

[rebelmusicfan]

@TheTopBloke

Hitchens says he is a "Marxist in a time when capitalism is more revolutionary"

and "Still a Marxist but not a socialist"

[TheTopBloke]

@rebelmusicfan This is the only part of Hitchens I really don't understand. On all points he makes sense, but he's a communist? Seriously, WTF?

[ScottBrown666]

@TheTopBloke I don't understand your confusion, unless you're only confused because he doesn't fit the political paradigm you're accustomed to and you have a hard time thinking outside of that box.

[TheTopBloke]

@ScottBrown666 Don't be a ponce. Your first response was just fine. You didn't have to elaborate and be a jackass about it.

[ScottBrown666]

@TheTopBloke Sorry dude, I didn't realize I was responding to the same stupid cunt.

[TheTopBloke]

@ScottBrown666 Ah I see, and I'm the stupid one?

[ScottBrown666]

@TheTopBloke Neocon? No. He's an old school leftist and self-proclaimed Marxist who consistently opposes fascism, theocracy, and totalitarianism by violent means when necessary and without any reservation.

[FartheadOgre]

A popinjay perhaps, but a brilliant one at that!

[nyomythus]

Pacifism is an immoral position because it leaves the question with someone else, spot on.