Qur'an: A Great Source For Medieval Judaism and Christianity

[CarmineFragione]

The Eternal Word of God is God, Jesus is the Eternal Word of God, Thus Jesus is God, God is outside of anything we describe as being "Alive" or being "Dead" and since God is above this, God can move below to these mortal behaviors for a purpose God chooses. God can appear as Jesus, God can forget Himself and act just as a man, God can die as a man dies, because Life and Death are yet only inside the Mind of God, and God can visit and act out any parts of the Truth. 3=1

[CarmineFragione]

God is outside all human logic, unable to be defined by material limits or metaphysical thoughts. God's thoughts are not ours. God can be alive and God can be dead, and yet , before anything was alive or dead, God was God, So God is not the alive and God is not the dead. God can then appear as Jesus, be alive and die and then live, and yet God was before these behaviors, the Sovereign God. Jesus is God , and no human logic can argue what God has done or will do .

[azkeyz]

Allah is just simply not Yahuvah by any stretch of the imagination.

The reasoning is critical.

The attributes of Allah do not match up fully with the attributes of Yahuvah.

If they did , I could then be inclined to say it was all just a language problem.

untill then I will continue to make war against allah.

[azkeyz]

Everybody wanting to know what the jew thinks ?

jew is a fake lable rome tried to stick on our backs.

I have the right to say it because I'm a melchizedek , jew and gentile in one body.

[azkeyz]

I should make it my lifes work to destroy americans who think they can slip islam in my coffe.

I'm not upset because of peace makers , I'm upset because they foolishly think they will have peace if they kiss allah.

[azkeyz]

Read my less than worthy lips.

Americans are sick and tired of idiots who think they are schoolars when they never opened a tora in their lives.

and we know when someone is lying about having studdied.

[azkeyz]

The law , The law condems humans to death.

you can take the so called law and shove it right back up your pagan ass.

there is only one ordinance , love one another

and humans couldn't even get that part right.

[azkeyz]

it's like this , quran is a fraud , and not the best record of anything but lies.

[azkeyz]

it always facinates me how americans claim to love jews but when you say jewish education they pull out a gun.

[azkeyz]

When you attempt to change hebrew words in to arabic like you're doing in this video

it's likely sane tora studdying americans will knock the shit out of you.

[azkeyz]

As for moses , he was a fraud

as proclaimed by Yahushua Ha Mashiach.

[azkeyz]

All lies ...

There's only one ordinance , love one another

no such thing as law

there is no jezeus , there is no virgin marry

His name is Yahushua Ha Mashiach

And as for virgin , it says only "female of marital age"

Americans fail because they don't phuckin read.

[CarmineFragione]

When God raised up the dust , as clay , and then there was the body of Adam, and then God breathed into Adam the Life, then it must be that God came into the body and Adam lived, and occupied the same place and same exact space , as was then appearing the Presence of God ,that the body of Adam was then "Alive" And so Jesus is God come again in the flesh , because

Adam fell to sin, and God redeemed the First Born for 30 pieces of silver, and the first Adam died, and the last Adam lived

[CarmineFragione]

The Muslim wishes to say he has an immortal soul and when his body dies, yet his soul continues to live to God. But the same Muslim will deny God , the First Soul of Life itself, to come and take up a body here, and live, and die and yet live, because the Soul of God yet lives, though the body dies. Thus, it is a great contradiction to grant a man to live though he dies, but deny God who is the Life, to come into the body and appear as Jesus, and die for us, and rise again, as God IS.

[aullah1234]

This guy being a nonmulim speaking the truth. I respect people like that. No one forcing you to become Muslim, but please do not twist islam. This speaker did not twist anything. He speaks the truth about Islam. Not many nonemuslim out there do this! Peace@

[nurlyify]

@aullah1234 Agree, peace!)

[devopi]

google Doe's Account

[chakwi44]

nice

[beaujam90]

great !

[giltedged]

Man of 55 raping a child of 9 - calls it "marriage. A raped girl needing the evidence of 4 men otherwise she's a slut. Beheading, stoning to death. Urging the unemployed, masturbating youth to kill even in countries which gave them refuge and they will get "72 virgins". In some Muslim countries women cannot even drive a car or speak to a man who is not her father or husband. Veils, hijabs, mujahhadins, fatwas. WTF! Do we need this? No! Do we need people who believe this? No !

[giltedged]

We have nothing against Muslims. We just don't want them in the West because Islam is incompatible with Western civilisation. Our corrupt politicians have left them in , and obviously they don't want to go back to their shi*** countries which the Kuran and Shariah Law has made shi*** because it froze everything to the culture of a primitive area in an unfortunate period (7th century desert Arabia) and the desires of a nasty illiterate man.

[shad79]

whenever ur barbaric forces leave our countries we will gladly leave ur west and western civilization for the likes of u, by the way do u know jesus mom was married to a 92 year old man at 12, so dont tell me about raping.

the culture at that time was ok for very young girls to marry older men it still happens in some african countries. just because in ur country something is wrong doesnt have to be wrong everywhere. u people marry animals and same sex soo ....

[giltedged]

Oh no 92? I thought he was 192.

Anyway practically everyone in Europe now knows that the Islamic areas of the world, because of their primitive 7th century Arabian desert culture - and nothing else - are the sh****** countries in the world after sub-Saharan Africa.

We need a gentle but massive repatriation which would make Muslims happier. Think of it :mullahs, mosques, women belonging to either father or husband, praying 5 times daily facing that cutting-edge of technology Mecca

[shad79]

so we are over the raping topic now, typical idiotic ideas anything that isnt common in their town is uncool. muslims are alright without ur exported and filthy culture keep it away please.

ur culture says its ok for a man to marry a man, its ok to have sex with animals its ok to steal whole countries and kill the population then leave enough nuclear toxic for the next 100 generation to be covered with cancer head to toe

[giltedged]

AS i said you're a misfit in the West. You do not belong. You stand out like a wart.

[shad79]

funny thing is u r from uk and there is already over 3 million muslims here and increasing in a away that make ur type lose sleep, u have ur wapons and killing machines and we have god who sees all, and we will see who wins.

i have met alot like u, lazy and bitter cant do anything good for themselves and blame everyone except themselves, in the 70s and 80s it was blacks and irish now its muslims stay in ur deluded fantasy until u become minority in ur own country

[giltedged]

Hiya Mohhy the Second. Do you want to compare Irish with Pakis? Are you blind? Irish are civilised , good-looking people. BTW Do you think that Allah would choose an ambushing paedo, rapist, kidnapper, murderer, robber as a "prophet"? I know who wins. Think Russia, Germany, Spain, Israel...

[shad79]

yet ugly pakis shag your girls left right and centre along with black and dogs. god would choose a homo jesus who hugged peter intimately as his true son.

pakis are overtaking ur people in ur country

boooooooooooooooooooo

scary isnt it

[giltedged]

Oh Paks, Paks! I've just been listening to some idiot from the BBC who said that the reason Muslims become Islamic terrorists is because they are Britain's poorest underclass. I would say that a dog as you rightly put it has more of a chance with our girls than a Paki.

Scary? Not really. Even Indians wallop you when required. Kashmir comes to mind. You see when the Arabs conquered you and imposed their culture, they destroyed you forever

[shad79]

pakis r leaving pakistan to come to ur country and taking over, there are whole areas that are no go for morons like u in ur own country, let the indians take cashmir the pakis will take north of england, and use ur white girls to make semi-paki children just like the blacks do, well the girls have to get it somewhere

u just assume i am a paki, keep going

[salekh01]

i want the jews and arabs to kill each other.

[EvilForGoodVision]

God Bless you Robert!!!, He's a really wise man seeking the truth!! u already found it!

[words34]

because Americans don't understand Islam, they are misled by midea and by USA governments , and we all know who controle them, to keep ocupations, in the medle east, WE MUST UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER, so we can save many children have been killed sence 1948.

muslems don't blame americans ,because they know americans are misled..

BUT americans should open their eyes to see who controle everything in thier country, who will gain of this misled

we all should learn before passing judgements..

[miri53]

you don't know nothing about satan Koran!

[DhimmiPride]

Robert Baum has a place at our hearts. Dhimmi Pride!!!

[pathanboii]

closed account? lol ha ha ha

[minorityop]

If I remember correctly, most of the Quran's contribution on the Infancy Narrative seems to be lifted from the Protoevangelium of James.

[Ammyai]

Thus we find that from the beginning Islam's scholars not only acknowledged, but recorded, the corruptions between the manuscripts which `Uthman sent to the Hijaz (Mecca/Medina), Iraq (Kufa and Basra), and Syria (Damascus) - the 'new' set of 'originals', the new 'received texts' of the quran. Yet, all this acknowledges something which denies the very content of the quran itself, "We will guard it (from corruption)." (Q15:9). Even in the earliest of times the quran had not survived intact.

[prplxty]

If Allah Promises to guard His Book from corruption, than consider it guarded.

I end with this:

"Never will the Jews or Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their brand of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah, -That is the only Guidance."

"They say: 'Become Jews or Christian if ye would be guided to salvation.' Say thou: Nay! I would rather the Religion of Abraham, the True, and he joined not gods with Allah.'"

[Ammyai]

prplxty, "If Allah Promises to guard His Book from corruption, than consider it guarded. "

Oh ok! I'm cool with that! I'm actually very happy about that! Now....

57:27 Subsequent to them, We sent our messengers. We sent Jesus the son of Mary, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), and We placed in the hearts of his followers kindness and mercy. Also Surah Al-Imran 3:3,4

allah claims the Torah and Injeel are his... and as you say, he guards his words.

[Ammyai]

Therefore, if the Torah and or the Injeel has ever been changed... allah is not very clever at guarding his words, or his books, is he now?

On the other hand, if he has indeed guarded the Torah and the Injeel faultlessly! The all we need to do is read the Bible for truth!

[BabaRizwan]

You never say Bible as the Word of God, the Christians usually say it is the INSPIRED WORD OF GOD. How many inconsistencies are there between the Gospels?? According to former priest, Joshua Evans and former pastor, yusuf estes, there are AT LEAST 50-60 EXPLICIT contradictions.

[BabaRizwan]

It is impossible for a human mind to accept the concept of trinity. IMPOSSIBLE. How could it make sense??? It is nothing like the concept of Abrahamic God that Jews and Muslims believe in. It is something like the concept of Greek Gods mingled with Abrahamic concept of God.

[BabaRizwan]

Where did you get that crap from?? From your own mind of course. From your own DESIRE!! Al-Quran was never corrupted! It was recorded since the time of prophet Muhammad and they brought hundreds of huffaz of the companions and compiled it into a book after prophet's death. You could not believe it do you? Compare it with the Bible? Where is the original one?? Where is it? Nowhere to be found!!

[Ammyai]

You have all those stories in the Bible! And they are far more accurate and better there!

[prplxty]

More accurate according to what eye-witness today? And in what sense are the stories better? Because we're told in the OT how Lot engaged incest with his daughters? Judah offering his daughter-in-law a goat to sleep with her? David commiting adultery with Bath-sheba? I'm sorry, according to Qur'an all prophets are sinless.

[Ammyai]

Well prplxty, it seems you're not even familiar with the story of Lot that you mention here. Go and read it all first, then come back!

All prophets except Yahushua ha'Mashiach have sinned. The quran is wrong. The quran is wrong so many times, it's a wonder anyone believes anything out of it.

[prplxty]

Look, we can do the whole 'my book is right, your book is false' thing all day. But as the Qur'an warns: "don't argue using mere disputation". According to Qur'an, no prophet has consumed wine, fornicated with their daughters, commited adultrey... they are sinless. The Bible tells us the direct opposite.

But let's look from this point of view. Throughout the history of Islam, not a single Qur'anic scholar has pointed out the slightest fallacy in the Qur'an. Not one.

[prplxty]

However, throughout the history of Christiandom, practically EVERY Biblical scholar has discovered and noted thousands of fallacies with the Bible. "Grave mistakes" they (Bible scholars) say. "over 50,000 errors" they say. So according to your own scholars it's a wonder how anyone believs anything out of the Bible!

"If this Qur'an were from other than God, you would find therein many contradictions."

[Ammyai]

prplxty, the Bible tells us the direct opposite because that's how it is.

You just continue in your dream and make believe reality of the fairy nightmare quran.

Only thing... at least read it! And think about it when you read... don't just believe the rubbish the immans are saying.

[prplxty]

The Qur'an is "the truth from our Lord". Unlike the Bible, which its very own scholars say is LOADED with fallacies. We are advised from the Qur'an against accepting things on face value. Unlike, in Christiandom, where one is told it's a matter of faith , it's not supposed to make sens, just believe. The Qur'an urges us to use reason. In numerous places we're told to "use our intellect" and about the importance of knowledge.

[prplxty]

As such the Muslim doesn't "just believe", we use reason to confirm our belief and to continually increase in faith.

I could just as easily claim the Qur'an states the opposite because it's true. But I'll give an example to illustrate this point.

Compare for instance the first miracle of Christ in both text. Bible tells us he, after rudely addressing his mother as "woman! what have I to do with thee?", turned water to wine at a wedding.

[prplxty]

Qur'an, on the other hand, tells us his first miracle was speaking as an infant from the cradle. Preaching to defend his mother Mary against an unbelieving audience. We're told, Mary, while with child, is confronted by a deputation of Jews, "Sister of Aaron?" one asks. They all then accuse her of disgracing her honorable lineage. There is no explanation she could give to convince them of Christs' miracle birth. The Qur'an reads:

[prplxty]

"But she pointed to the babe. They said: 'How can we talk one who is a child in the cradle?' He (Jesus) said: 'I am indeed a servant of God: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet: and He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me prayer and charity as long as I live. He hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or unblest; So Peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life again'!"

[prplxty]

Jesus, as a baby, speaks to counter the slanderish charges against her mother. He explains that God made him kind to his mother and not overbearing or miserable (i.e. not calling her "woman!"). The Qur'anic version of Jesus' first miracle is not only better, but is more befitting for Jesus' character and mission. Any Christian would simply be dishonest to dare say otherwise.

[Ammyai]

prplxty, "Jesus, as a baby, speaks to counter the slanderish"

Your entire message is trash and lies. There's not a single truth in it.

[Ammyai]

prplxty, ""But she pointed to the babe. They said: 'How can we talk one who is a child in the cradle?'"

Another quran trash miracle - a baby that talks. :-)

And the icon you use is an occultic symbol. Oh well, with a god like satan/allah what can we expect.

[Prplxity]

So now you're doubting and even limiting God Almighty's capablity to do so much as empowering a child to speak? Jesus brought life to the dead, sight to the blind, health to the leper and even spoke as a child in his mother's honor. If not, she would have been stoned to death, right? So why you doubt God would use His holy prophet to save this innocent woman whom the Qur'an says was "chosen above the women of all nations"?

[Prplxity]

You honestly mean to tell me you can believe he was born without male intervention, but not that! Wow. I'm sorry, but the joke is on you :-)

And what occult symbol are you refering to?. And FYI the Bible is the text used in Satantism, not the Qur'an. So none of which you say hold an atom's weight, my friend.

[Ammyai]

Prplxity,

Nope! I'm not limiting God at all! I just happen to know He didn't do that miracle!

And there was no need for it! Only reason Mary would have gotten stoned was if Joseph complained. But he didn't!

You forget Mary was good as married to Joseph. So no one stones a married woman for getting pregnant.

I guess when muhammed wrote his story in quran, he didn't realise Mary was bethroned to Joseph. So he had to invent 'Talking Baby' miracle.

[Ammyai]

prplxty, Actually, it is the islamic imams who say that Christian Scholars say the Bible is loaded with fallacies.

But they lie! Real Christian Scholars say no such thing! Some agree on very minor errors in some manuscripts. But there are those Manuscripts that Elohim has Protected, and are without error!

Don't be gullible and believe what lying imams say!

If quran urges you to use reason! Then do it!

There is nothing I'd like more than muslims to begin to use reason!

[prplxty]

Agreed. Some imams, atheist, agnostics or rabbis might say the Bible is fallacious or error-ridden, but it is Christian Biblical scholars who PROVE this point. For example, Bruce Metzger, Michael Coogan, Bart Ehrman, etc. Or take for instance this statement:

"Yet the King James Version has grave defects... these defects are SO MANY and SO SERIOUS as to call for revision."

[prplxty]

The above is taken from the preface of the RSV! Again, Bible scholars NOT Muslims or anyone else. Now one must think: can we rightly attribute these defects, errors, mistakes, flaws and so forth to God Almighty? Emphatically no! It is you and others of your ilk who require the use of reason. Not the Muslim.

[prplxty]

If it is reason you pray Muslims use, then rest assured your prayers have long been answered. For what is so unreasonable with worshiping God alone and taking no other gods beside him? Seeking grace and guidance from God directly and not from or through Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, anyone or anything else? The Lord and Creator of the heavens and earth. Your Creator, my Creator, the same Creator every prophet was called to command all to worship.

[prplxty]

What is unreasonable about that? What is unreasonable accepting individual accountability? About acknowledging everyone is responsible for their own deeds?

What is reasonable in believing someone else pays for your sins? If you sin, you ask forgiveness. If you're hungry, do not you eat? No one else eats for you, correct? Whose using reason here?

[Ammyai]

prplxty, Christians do accept individual accountibity! Everyone indeed is responsible for their own needs.

The Christian knows that he himself cannot pay the price of that sin. Only Yahushua can!

If a Christian sins after he has been forgiven, then that is like a slap on the face of Elohim. What true Christian would do that? And what true Christian would dare to slap God in the face?

[Ammyai]

prplxty, "For what is so unreasonable with worshiping God alone and taking no other gods beside him?"

What you say there is perfectly correct and good! The only problem then is, You must make sure the 'god' you think you are worshipping it the correct God and the Creator of everything.

allah is not that correct 'god'.

allah is not the God of the Bible.

Please study your own islamic texts and learn what allah is like. You will soon discover he is more like satan, a liar.

[Ammyai]

prplxty, "Seeking grace and guidance from God directly"

That is actually what Yahushua taught! His sample prayer, when His disciples asked Him how to pray, starts with; " Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come."

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are One.

Who do Christians say the Saviour is?

Now read what Scripture says.

Isa 43:11 "I, I am Yahuah, and besides Me there is no Saviour.

Yahushua is that One Elohim, One Saviour!

[Ammyai]

prplxty, Ok I believe what you say, so some who call themselves 'Christian Scholars' are very much mistaken. They have fallen for the devils trick of the corrupt Alexandrian manuscripts.

The RSV, and every new translation is being translated from the wrong (corrupted) manuscripts. Unfortunately many scholars think the corrupt Alexandrian manuscripts are the correct ones. But they are wrong.

Only the King James Bible has been translated from the Correct "Textus Receptus" manuscripts.

[Ammyai]

prplxty, The word of God has many enemies. Even amongst those who claim to be 'Christian' or 'Christian Scholars'.

"Yet the King James Version has grave defects... these defects are SO MANY and SO SERIOUS as to call for revision."

Anyone making statements like that, I would call traitors to Real Christianity. And probably these are the people Matthew 7:22-23 was written for.

Don't believe them, and don't be counted amonst them on the day of Judgement.

[prplxty]

The God who is the creator of the Heavens and Earth and ultimately all else is the one true God regardless of the name you know Him as. "God" is simply a TITLE (not name) given to an item, object or diety that is worshipped. Allah is a NAME that means "The God", implying that the Creator of the heavens and earth is the ONLY God WORTHY of worship. Allah is the most proper name for God.

[prplxty]

You've mentioned a couple names yourself (i.e. Elohim), but you've failed to mention the verry name Jesus Christ himself used in his Aramaic tounge. Do you even know what that name is? It's "Alaha"! Now compare the Aramaic "Alaha" to the Arabic "Allah" and it's obvious it's the same name for the same God aunciated in a slightly different dialect. So when Christians like yourself insult the name of Allah, you're unknowingly mocking and cursing your own selves. Desist!

[prplxty]

Allah's attributes in the Qur'an are reflected as "The Most Merciful", "The Most Gracious", "The Creator", "The Forgiving", "The Loving"... what of those qualities even merely hint at evil, devil or Satan? Are you even aware of the number of times the Qur'an reminds us to seek refuge in Allah FROM Satan? Evidentally not.

[prplxty]

In fact, every statement you've agreed with are from the Qur'an. And what part of this statement do you disagree from Hadith: "All creatures are God's children, and those dearest to God are the ones who treat His children kindly." That's from the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and you'd be dishonest to claim you're not in concurrence.

[prplxty]

Back to my original point, I think you seem to be missing here, is that there are a GREAT number of Christian Biblical scholars who claim and prove the Bible is corrupted, contradictory and conflictive. But there is not one, nor has there EVER been, an Islamic scholar to allude to any such claims with regards to the Qur'an. I don't know about you, but I take the experts word for it.

[prplxty]

And Jesus did instruct his followers to pray as such: "Our Father which art IN HEAVEN" not "which art standing before you" or "Our Father and His son"... GOD ALONE! "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" , in other words, submitting to God's Will. Did you know "Islam" means "submission to the will of God" and "Muslim" means "one who submits to the will of God"? Are we noticing blatant parallels yet?

[prplxty]

And what did Jesus say is the way to heaven? He said "obey God and keep the commandments, whoever breaks the least shall be considered least in the kingdom". He never said "take me as your Lord and Savior"... Paul said that. Jesus on the other hand, moreorless, said take MY Lord and Savior as your Lord and Savior. Again, every prophet, from Adam to Abraham, Moses, Jesus to Muhammad was called to summon everyone to the worship and obedience to the one true God.

[prplxty]

For this, undoubtedly, is the right path. All praise is due to Allah.

[Ammyai]

The question must also be asked as to whether Islam has since corrected the errors in these texts, for, if it did not, then it means that it has accepted as 'Qur'an' several 'corrupt' manuscripts that are not 'perfect copies' of any one of the '7 Forms', and it has thus ascribed Divine authority to the corrupted texts of Caliph 'Uthman by continuing to propagate them rather than correct them. The present qurans of necessity are all 'corrupt'.

[Ammyai]

prplxty, "In fact, every statement you've agreed with are from the Qur'an."

That's how a good liar works! When he spins a story, he has to insert at least some truth into it, or else everyone will see his deception immediately.

That's just what muhammed and allah have done.

There is a hint of truth in the quran to hide all the lies in..

[Ammyai]

prplxty, "Allah's attributes in the Qur'an are reflected as "The Most Merciful", "The Most Gracious", "The Creator", "The Forgiving", "The Loving"... what of those qualities even merely hint at evil, devil or Satan?"

None of those qualities hint of satan! But your god doesn't have any of those qualites.

Your god allah, has another quality! he is a very good LIAR!

BTW, the devil, and satan are one and the same.

[Ammyai]

prplxty, "Are you even aware of the number of times the Qur'an reminds us to seek refuge in Allah FROM Satan?"

It makes no difference if there is either one, or a thousand of those reminders in the quran. Each one is a cruel joke on you.

allah doesn't want to be worshipped as satan. he always wanted God's worship, the worship that rightfully belongs to God. This way he is getting it from at least muslims.

allah is satan incognito!

[Ammyai]

prplxty, "You've mentioned a couple names yourself (i.e. Elohim), "

No, I have never mentioned a name "Elohim". I have mentioned "Elohim", it is not name! It is the Hebrew word for "God" but has a sense of plurality in it. Therefore I like to use it!

As for the name of the Only Begotten Son of Elohim... I also like to use His name properly! It is Yahushua ha'Mashiach! His mother would have called Him 'Yahushua'!

And you can forget what any *alaha* imagination ;-)

[Ammyai]

prplxty, "Allah is a NAME that means "The God", "

No! allah is a name. al-ilah means 'the God'.

[prplxty]

It's an amazing situation we have here. You cannot honestly be denying that the Aramaic word for God is "Alaha"? And I could be mistaken, but I have the impression you're implying that God has a mother? God was in the womb of Mary for 9 months? God was born and circumsized on the 8th day? God claimed that all power given unto Him by God? That God prayed to God? This isn't what you're saying, right? Please tell me I'm wrong.

[Ammyai]

prplxty, You are of course wrong in some of your assumptions! It is because you do not understand the Word of Elohim!

Yahushua who came into the world by Mary, did not come into existance at the moment He was born!

He has always been! He is the One who created the world and the entire universe!

When He gave His life on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins... Elohim did not die, but only the human body He was living in died.

And He was raised from the dead by Elohim on third day!

[8elhaj]

great fairy tail that doesnt make sense. if God is THE GOD then he cannot die, he doesnt need to become human to forgive our sins he can forgive just cause he wants.

[Ammyai]

It's not a fairy tail, nor a fairy tale either. It's the truth.

You might have a judge in islam that lets the guilty go free without any punishment. A judge who just lets the guilty go free if he feels like it, is not upholding the law.

God Himself made His own Law. And He said, if a man sins, a man must die. In the New Testament He said, The wages of sin is death.

So, someone has to pay, or it's the hellfire for mankind.

So He paid the prize Himself!

[8elhaj]

@ ammyai

no wonder I and Muslims and many people in the world dont believe in the distorted new testament that we have, actually the distorted versionSSS of the new testament, yeah u dont even know which one is the right one.

Come on man, believing in the trnity and that GOD cn die is like believng in Santa, they both are fairy tails.

[Ammyai]

Yeah but I do know which version is the Best in English! It is the King James version!

All other's are translated from inferior manuscripts.

I don't believe in the trinity, that's another catholic doctrine. They are just pagans and it's good that you don't believe in their kind of christianity.

Real Christianity is a bit different from catholism.

Oh, and God did indeed die on the cross, but that 3 days in the grave is nothing for Him.

Now He lives for all eternity!

[8elhaj]

oh so what makes u the one can say which bible is right?

are u an apostle?

on the other hand we dont even have to enter this game of guessing which Quran is right because hey there is ONE Quran in Arabic!

so am i gonna gamble with my eternal life and guess that one of many bibles is the true one or belive in the One and Only Quran that exists which tells us to belive ion the One God and submit to him?

gives u something to think abaout.

[hempartist420]

@8elhaj lol you told him he shouldn't be able to pick which holy book is right because he is not an apostle, but then you turn around and choose the Quran("holy book"). Now if that is not hypocrisy than I don't know what is. funny

[m2112620]

There is no Allah (God). I do, however, believe in the "power of love." Not the actual emotion, but the song "power of love" by Huey Lewis and the News. Give those motherfuckers some praise!!!!

[keloglan1]

2:253

Of those messengers, some of whom We have caused to excel others, and of whom there are some unto whom Allah spake, while some of them He exalted (above others) in degree. 2:285

We make no distinction between any of His messengers

Could you clarify this for me please

[hussain66]

2:285

The Messenger believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in Allah, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. (They say), "We make no distinction between any of His Messengers" and they say, "We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all)."

The meaning of this verse as it's clear from its context is that believers believe in all of God's messengers without distinction.

[hussain66]

i.e. they believe in some and disbelieve in others like the Jews disbelieved in Jesus and Mohammad peace be upon them.

[hussain66]

Unlike Jews for example who believes in some prophets and disbelieve in others like Jesus and Mohammad peace be upon them.