Part 1 Cynthia McKinney at Mercury Cafe in Denver During DNC - COINTELPRO

[somalifighta]

tupac shakur the last name tells you

[jimwimmer]

Cynthia = one big joke.

[AuroraKismet]

Fantastic post.I remember her courage as a Congresswoman.

Thank you,GreenProgress!

[USA04July1776]

Cynthia McKinney... there's another liberal BEAUT'!

[guitarguru2006]

Screw Impeachment! We should charge the cronies for High Treason!

[haansgruber]

Personal power, liberty and freedom are not gained by delegating them to others.

Voting, politics & government, is a scam, a hoax, a con, a put on, a jip, a jive, a hoodwink, a sham, a ....... well, you get the idea.

peace :)

[KenCat1337]

Don't mark this comment down, it's true.

Cynthia McKinney is just the best candidate out there.

[haansgruber]

"the best candidate out there"

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

"When plunder has become a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it - and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, "The Law"

Thanks, I'll pass.

peace :)

[GreenProgress]

You talk the same dogma every-time. What are your solutions? If you do not have any, maybe you should think about that before bad mouthing a woman trying to make a difference and a party that has real solutions to real problems. Again, your solutions?

[haansgruber]

The solution 2 the problem IS educating people 2 that fact that they should not participate in a lie. No matter how wonderful the possibilities might be. Participation in a lie is not honest. What possible good can come from it? This is something u should already know. What I represent isn't dogma, it's good wholesome values. What you represent is dogma. The ideology you hope will "change the world" is a belief in something that is not, nor will it ever be reasonable to suspect positive results

[haansgruber]

Any rational person can easy surmise what the outcome of assigning a master over yourself would be. Except you don't present it in that form. You say this is the best we have got. so, you might as well go with it unless you have a better idea. I'd say that is dogmatic.

I want guaranteed results; which my plan has. The results are: I remain free to the degree I choose to be free. I am a slave to no master.

You wouldn't ask me to join the local mafia would you?

So why government?

peace :)

[GreenProgress]

Dogma - a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.

The 'authority' in this case is yourself. You offer no other solution than to not participate in a lie. This is exactly what Cynthia McKinney offers.

Again, and again, you offer nothing to solve problems. There doesn't seem to be an impasse to your rhetoric, so good luck.

[haansgruber]

The rhetoric is yours. I am telling you what you "claim" to offer is false hope.

It is you who refuse to acknowledge that fact is true, and offer no proof to the contrary.

peace :)

[haansgruber]

Everything I have said thus far is not only true but, is provable.

You can't prove that what you say is true. It's all based upon IF, speculation and pure conjecture.

There are no absolutes and no guarantees. I operate in the real world where defined parameters produce desired results.

Politics & politicians never have either.

peace :)

[KenCat1337]

I a learned Libertarian Socialist philosopher that actually DOES have solutions. I believe in an environmental, horizontal form of organization versus the hierarchical and oppressive one that brings controlled chaos.

[GreenProgress]

KenCat1337,

Thank you for this post and all your other ones. I too have been following Chomsky for almost twenty years. I too most lean towards Libertarian Socialism, and I believe the Green Party platform is very LS friendly.

I agree with most of what haansgruber says, but he or she seems to want to be divisive among friends. Myself and those around me want unity. Everyone has differences in opinions, but is the overall message / goal good? That is what is important for us.

[KenCat1337]

hahaha!

She IS the best candidate out there, there's nothing wrong with saying that. And let me tell you, she is not the lesser of TWO evils, she's far behind the corporate politicians.

I have the same or similar views as you do, look at my post from before.

[haansgruber]

I am aware of what she did with the weapon & george bush. That is not the point.

The only point is; you want support for something I am dead against, and for good reason.

Voting has never produced any positive results, ever in history. There is not one person I would want to be my ruler. She keeps saying I have no solution. The solution is to withdraw your support from a system you know is corrupt.

It will collapse like a house of cards. People are not willing to do it.

They can't see the

[haansgruber]

If I apply the same logic to the mafia.

My slogan would be if you can't beat em join em!

Participation is ludicrous!

Mass participation is even more ludicrous.

The people are sheep for the slaughter.

For this reason alone, if for no other.

Withdraw your support and sanction, of murder, war, corruption and lies. NOW!

peace :)

[haansgruber]

Convince people to stop bombing iraq, convince people to stop shooting iraqis and the so called leaders do not matter.

Unless of course you believe they'll go over and shoot the people themselves.

That is the only viable solution with guaranteed results. If everyone refuses to participate in the lie, the murder and the pillage.

peace :)

[haansgruber]

continued: They can't see the -- forest for the trees.

[KenCat1337]

ALL I said was that she was the best candidate out there!

If you viewed my channel, you'd soon learn that I am actually an ANARCHIST, which is perhaps more revolutionary than your views (though I am not sure, I didn't visit your channel).

[haansgruber]

And all I said was;

The only viable solution to the problem is to convince people to stop participating in "the big lie".

And by viable; I mean with a realistic hope of achieving the desired result.

government, war, voting, murder, pillage, rape, plunder is all part and parcel of the same deception.

Stop rewarding people who commit war crimes.

Make it uncomfortable for people who commit evil.

Make waves.

If you can't beat em ... Join em. Is definitely NOT the answer. End of story.

peace :)

[haansgruber]

And that is exactly what "put my guy in, he promises he'll fix things" is.

peace :)

[KenCat1337]

lol Nah, you also said "The only point is; you want support for something I am dead against".

I am FOR freedom and I am FOR liberty, as well as equality.

That is why I don't vote.

[haansgruber]

She said; I offered no solution.

So; I offered not only a solution, I offered THE solution.

It has a far greater, as well as, a more realistic chance of success than voting ever will.

Exposing the lie, one weakness at a time.

Education is always the answer.

Voting has met with rather limited results.

The second post in this thread sums it up [SlaveStorm].

Tell 10 people you know to stop killing people in Iraq, then have them tell 10 people, and so on.

peace :)

[haansgruber]

What no more u offer the same old dogma & never any solution?

It appears we have the same desired result.

To better the world in which we live and the inheritance we will pass on to our children.

It is only the best method to achieve it, which seems to have us at odds.

The only sure method of peace, is to help everyone to realize their err, and to get them to lay down their arms.

No amount of voting will ever achieve that goal.

Jesus was right; Men must change before kingdoms can.

peace :)

[KenCat1337]

I thought you were talking to me, I apologize.

"Tell 10 people you know to stop killing people in Iraq, then have them tell 10 people, and so on."

Will do. :]

[haansgruber]

No need to apologize:

It might help if you actually tell 10 of the people who are doing the killing to stop! Don't forget to tell them to tell 10 people too!

peace :)

[KenCat1337]

Although an Anarchist, I believe Cynthea McKinney is the best presidential candidate.

I could never call her a politician.

I can definitely relate with the COINTELPRO experience, it still exists -- my friend, our Quaker meeting and I are targeted by them and I can no longer use my father's computer.

[breaks0]

Having some "Friends" educational background (actually alot), when they start targetting pacifist Christian denominations, then you know something's wrong w/your country. Certainly the regime ruling it. That oughta be enough to make anyone a Green, if not something more radical like Anarchism. Keep up the fight brother!

[KenCat1337]

Keep up the fight as well, brother.

[sandbreak2]

I guess refimanloans might be republican..here`s McCains education: 3 years - Naval Academy, Rank (894 of 899)Impressive huh?

[erby1kabogey]

Great post by the way! People like Cythia and the many nameless/faceless people that strive for progress does offer a small ray of hope if not anything else!

[erby1kabogey]

Would be nice but as everyone can clearly see this country doesn't deserve or much less even want to have any kind of REAL social progress! It's a me instead of we society. The vast majority is motivated by their own self interest! Let another 100,000 or so lose their jobs and they will all run to McPalin and/or OBiden like they honestly give a damn about anything other then profits! This country is reaping what it's been sowing! Karma is a muthafuker!

[GreenProgress]

That is in part two.

[AnitaMarieStewart]

This is the woman that has more balls than anyone in Congress! She challenged Rumsfeld and the rest of the status quo. If you don't know that, you haven't done your research!

[refimanloans]

So this is an example of what the green party can come up with in a candidate? She is just pathetic!

[SlaveStorm]

What were you hoping for?

A multi millionaire with a dozen estates around the world? A Faux war hero?

A soccer mom that calls herself a pit bull (bitch) A candidate that says America in on a mission from God?

Perhaps a supporter of the Jew World Order? Maybe a movie star like the criminal Ronald Reagan?

A Harvard Graduate that bent over and bought the lies about Newtonian physics just to get a degree?

You are blind to the one party system that owns every horse in the race of puppetdents

[billsarebullyesyes]

refimanloans- she's got more truth & balls then any repub. or demo. at least she is not afraid to go head to head with the evil/ crazies in charge. and actually "cares" about this country