Thanks May - really finding it hard to stick with this, seeing the guys at each others throats is so soul destoying and again Christian acting like such a dick to Olli - how much more do we have to put up with, this is torture! :'(
1 more think, mmm, they are married jet, and they are in the adoption list too? XD, may be will make a surprise with this way, even if they two never will be a couple in the show.
mmm, I think olli model carrer will be a good idea but probably will tale any problem sure, XD, he will recover his strong personality getting importance to itself. The history of Christian alone is so stupid, without substance, totally normal or as a plain, without any mountain, or tree... I don't know if they are finished or not, I only continue the show with the hope of YES, between, I follow the olli history that is more interesting...
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@MercuryMay01 Since your reply I have seen some new clips and was dissapointed to learn that they have seperated. I hope that they are able to reconcile as they do make a really good couple and the relationship does come across as intimate. They've obviously hit a bad patch but if they're serious about each other they'll sort it out.
I really wish I could have a peep at what the writers have in store for them. Then I would ( insert endless possibilities here) if it is not to my liking
My first observations is simple. Tanja is a bitch, but for her, that is how she has been a success in business. In the real world, some people must be this way to get what they want. As for Charlie, I have to agree. Christian did shatter Oliver's self confidence. Christian wants to deny it or avoid it, but this is the truth. Now Olli has made a blood pact with the devil and there is no saving him. I know this s/l is going to turn out bad, but oh well........
Charlie and Christian should give Olli more of a chance with the modelling. What Olli said is true - he really does need a new start considering all that he has been through. They should let him do what he wants to do, and if Olli screws it up, then he brought it upon himself.
Well, so far I´ve been a big Christian supporter, mostly because I really like Thore (shallow, I know). But now I am pissed off. What happened to his character? Suddenly he is a mean guy laughing in Olli´s face? Where did that come from, authors?
"whoa is me, whoa is me," the person who commented my last entry, I'm meant to say "woe is me" not "whoa is me." My bad, thanks for pointing it out to me.
ok I need to make an apology to anyone I offended. Even tho I know it's TV, I'm very invested in this show for a number of reasons. I'm gay, My partner is European - Dutch/German in fact and his middle name is (wait for it) Christian! And he's a blond athlete (bodybuilder) and we plan to marry in the Hague next summer. Oh and I'm taller with short dark hair and eyes. So I take this all maybe a bit too personally sometimes. If I have offended anyone, my apologies.
till now i didnot get why tht sudden change in chris life,,why he is into women again? ok ,,jessica was mistake but why he keep sleeping wth tht tresa???now i donot belive tht he loved oili,,the writer must fix tht so quickly or else lots will turn over chris,,
chris and oili must get back vry soon,,but in very convieniant way,,orelse it will be sooo bad,,,,i wanna to knw,wht will gonna happe after oili became model?when will be the rest of epoisite?
This storyline is getting a bit too realistic what with all the unhappiness and continuous fighting between Christian and Oliver. I don't want to see shitty real life, I've already got one of those. Come on! The soaps are where people go to escape their problems!
MercuryMay01, someone was asking about some of christain's back ground the only thing that I found was that Gregor and Christain's mother killed herself and their dad was a complusive gambler and Gregor was a callboy plus Chris went to jail twice for his dad, chris has had a lot of bad s---t happen to him in his life maybe thats why he go's into a shell like his face go's blank and he act,s like he dosen't care. who asked I hope this helps you in understanding chris a little bet.
Okay, I've been rewatching a few back episodes, and I still ask myself the same question: why did Christian briefly get "involved" with Jessica? Before his marriage, Chris would make passes at women in order to push Olli's buttons--to get attention, to get Oliver to stop steam rolling over him etc. But what ever he did with J seems to be more than that this time. This time...
He wasn't trying to push Olli's button's because Olli wasn't around. Is he ashamed of being gay? Was he trying to lose himself in the pleasure of women--at least sexually because he was so emotional about the whole kid thing? It's the motive that is troubling many viewers--whether we fall on the "Christian slept with J" or "J's lying" as she always does. Clearly something happened, but why? When there isn't a "clear" motive an audience will find it harder and harder to suspend disbelief.
Unfortunately I don't believe Christian anymore , that he loves Olli and the writers have to convince me that Chris is not just a cold and arrogant man ,otherwise I don't want any reconciliation of Chrolli. Olli made alsoa lot of mistakes but he doesn't deserve such a treatment.:((
I hate all those anti-Olli and anti-Christian clubs,I still love both of them Olli and Chris as well, I'm just terribly upset and disappointed of Christian's behavior after that night with Jessica .this man is not that loving Christian anymore , who was able to give up his career for Olli.
Chris you want to save money on the repairs of the apartment well then you helped remodel NL so get off your a-- and work on that apartment, lets get a move on "ok " .
I can't remember another gay couple on television that's lasted as long as Christian and Oliver. So yes, breaking up does make sense, this is a soap and soaps are all about drama. I think the whole marriage thing with Christian and Oliver was bit over the top but soaps are all about they are supposed to be romance involved.
@JordanjamesX Please explain why a break-up makes sense simply because no other gay couple has managed to survive for three years. There's always got to be that something that breaks out of the mold and changes the rules of the game. Why shouldn't a 5-year-happily-married gay couple be as viable as one that disintegrates badly after three years? There are hundreds of ways to create drama other than a marriage's collapse. That's one of the hackneyed, uninspired ways of creating drama.
@xXiLoveYou97Xx ,,,me tooo it is better to fight with each other rather than being with someone else,,,but i wanna to knw,,are they stil lmarried?????
Im waiting for them to address the fact that THEY ARE STILL MARRIED! They are acting like hateful exes, when they havent even... x'd .. yet. = P Lmao.
Also, I haven't read the the debate on who falls on whose side (Christian and Oliver), but think they're both wonderful characters--both wonderful people who have a hard time having a long term relationship--well who doesn't? People need to think about it, Oliver has got excellent taste in men, so does Christian--to criticize either one, would be criticizing both. There is a reason they both met and fell in-love--they're both good.
@Rumake Now one thing you may be intimating is that birthdates are a matter of public record. Do you mean in Germany? And do you mean that anyone has access to this information? That's rather frightening given Germany's history. For instance, in the US, Canada and the UK there are very strict privacy laws. No one can access your personal information without your expressed written permission. And when you give it, you can give limited access.
@Rumake Say for instance, an employer needs to know your employment number, but cannot access any other piece of information about you, your martial status, your ethnic origin as an example. So, it wouldn't surprise me if actors in Germany also lied about their age to their employer.
@Rumake In terms of actor's lying about their age, I do know there was a legal battle with IMDB for publishing actor's birthdates. Often these birthdates are not accurate, and it takes a long time for IMDB to update the information. Also, almost all actors don't want their birthdates published as this is a matter of professional longevity.
The tricky part is to wait until one of them re-appear. It is a fact that the writers changed the focus of interest in the novel and they have appeared less and less regularity.
They should just have Olli fly to Paris or NY and be a hot model and a vain homosexual and have Christian marry Theresa and get two children, that'll be a great way to finish it and show a realistic life (not) -.-...
Scene 9:17 "Grow a beard and scratch your ass," that right there was priceless. Olli in this episode was full of come backs for everyone include homophobic Ansger. No one should feel sorry for Olli's loneliness, he's the one who initiated the break-up, why is he mad at Christian for moving on, how long was Christian going to wait for him. He needs to start growing up, instead of down.
@shenadoa, my sentiments exactly, Olli has become a whiner; whoa is me, whoa is me, I say he needs to give it a rest already, he's not getting any sympathy from me.
What I find sad is they always seem to break up gay couples in a nasty way on soaps. Why? Why can't they live happily (as so many of them do in real life!) and if the actors want to leave the show, then have them "move to Australia" together, or something. Why does it always have to be a really nasty break up or death?? Poor Roman on AWZ with a brain tumor... Why??
@Cinnamongal77 So you don't think the writers will use some Soap formula to get them back together? Luckily they write and film tow a month or three before episodes air. My guess is that gay fans will find a reconciliation belivable but I am not sure about the female fans. They seem very bitter that Chris cheated on them. To paraphrase the bard, "Hell hath no furry like a woman's scorn."
@Cinnamongal77 I agree and disagree gay relationships just like straight relationships have problems. Why should Christian and Oliver be treated any different just because they are a same sex couple? A lot of things contributed to the break up from Oliver's impulsiveness trying to force Christian to get another foster child, getting married. Oliver controlled the relationship and he did not pay attention to Christian's needs. Christian was upset he was devastated when Lilly was taken away.
Chrolli have turned into a circus XD -.-... This whole cheating thing is boring as hell, both Christian and Olli are acting like aliens have possessed their brains or something... VL authors, if you wanna make a good cheating story, include a third MAN, if you're too homophobic to do that, then you shouldn't have started with the story in the first place... What's the point of this? That being gay is bad, that gays are unlucky in love and that most revert back to women? Seriously -.-!!!!!!
I've read that 90% of actors lie about their age--always that they are younger. Who knows. both O&C are looking weary without one another. I think this storyline will end--sadly. I think Thore will try to stay on the show, but I think Jo has other plans. Again, who knows. Anyone here have any tips?
In spite of everything, they still love each other. Christian was never gay, as in attracted to men, he was in love with Ollie, and Ollie only. I think Jessica only took pics of two drunk guys and it'll come out soon.
As for the breakup and distance, Ollie freaked at losing the kid, but Chris kept his emotions inside. He was more devastated because he loves from the bottom of his heart. He wasn't ready for another kid so soon and got mad hearing Ollie talking to the CPS. Patience, fans.
@MrAudienceMember If Christian referred to himself as gay and went through the hassle of establishing himself professionally as a gay boxer, as opposed to a straight boxer who happened to be in love with a particular man, who are we as viewers to question his self-description. The current batch of writers have so completely ignored the history that lead up to their marriage. They've written the post-marriage storyline as if nothing pre-existed the marriage. That's why nothing makes any sense.
@ManInhumanity I'm beginning to wonder if Olli and Christian haven't been more in love with the notion of being in love with each other than with actually loving each other. I think they both were sufficiently in love with each other to have shared lives as committed boyfriends. I'm now doubting, however, that they loved each other enough to have made a marriage between them viable.
@ManInhumanity You may be right.....everything seems to have soured after the foster-parenting episode with Lilly. Speaking of which, wouldn't you have thought that one of Olli's first actions upon regaining his wits after the temporary breakdown would have been to resume his planning for a second foster child? Pre-Jessicapade, he was all gung-ho for another go at foster parenting. That's flown completely out the window. It's as if it never occurred.
@ManInhumanity You've misunderstood my tone....I meant it jokingly.....It wasn't meant to be personal at all. Ah, the limitations of the written language.
@ManInhumanity Disagree with which part(s)? That in defense of Christian's not being Beelzebub, that prescribing an alcohol and sedative remedy for all the half-crazed Olli-ites thirsting for his blood or that pleading with that rabble to put a sock in it ? Talk about nags!
I have just been watching part 45 on Deepdarkmidnights channel, thank you Alejandro, I am in pieces, it's so beautiful - what have they done to our boys................?
Wow. Reading the Christian V. Olli debate in the comments section has become more entertaining than the show. Not only have the VL writers done a brilliant job at pitting the two characters against one another but the fans as well. I'm surprised people haven't started printing up Team Olli & Team Christian t-shirts.
@lillys78 That's the really sad thing about all this, in the beginning it was Team Chrolli, and May's cookie couch for support, but since then we have divided into factions, either supporting one or the other! All I know is that we are the true victims here the fans, for putting up with this cr-p! I want to thank dear May for supporting our addiction, but I am still Chrolli United and forever, all I want is my boys back together please and soon. TEAM CHROLLI FOREVER!! ~ Thank you xxxxxxxxxx
"you're mine now" Tanja is one creepy pregnant lady.
Olli shouldn't let anything Christian says put him off. But I guess he still feels concerned about how Christian feels, I mean they were the love of each others' lives. It is hard to let go. And christian needs to stop hurting olli, he is a lame jerk.
Christian should disappear and stop making olli hurt. I think Olli should meet another man that he could trust forever better than missing the now-terrible Christian
I just hope the writers are not complete sadists to do that to first two scenes to the show’s audience after giving then … what four? Five? years of a couple happily live together and satisfying the audience thrust for the real fairytale.
Happily ever after (my favorite scenario, unfortunately, the most unlikable to occur) Christian gets his chick pregnant, they have a child, then she dies, leaving him the child. Olli’s compaction drives them back together and they “ride to the sunset” to live happily ever after, and both leave the show. Together.
I hope you see what I mean my that and where I’m heading with my elaborations. Now the writers give the audience the impression they want to close “Chrolli” storyline. That could happen by three ways:
The kid factor is quite, quite strong and being unable to adopt a kid is a very big blow for the new born family.
I’m speaking from personal experience, and I’m from a country, where the society is that is far less liberal and acceptable to gay couples then Germany.
As I wrote earlier, I still have some catching up to do to the real event, but I’m pretty close – to the current events. On a much sober (I hope) and professional prospective, I think I understand what writers are trying to do here. Olli’s proposal in my opinion was the biggest mistake he could have make – since Christian already hed given up his hopes for “the whole nine yards“ – marriage and kids.
Okay, so these are my thoughts on the recent few episodes. I get the feeling that Jo may leave the show. Therefore, the Chrolli storyline will be over; the series will introduce new, and younger gay/transitioning to gay characters; Thore will explore is “straight” side on the show, but I think he may leave also. The reasons for my hypothesis:
@WraithCake8 I thought the opposite I thought that maybe Thore was going to leave the show. Thore is young and he speaks English well I think Thore could make it in Hollywood. I wonder how long Thore will stay on the show?
In terms of TV land, once you’re over 30 you’re kaputt. But because Jo and Thore have been a great ratings generator, the contract for the actors has stayed as is. Nonetheless, Jo is getting older and unfortunately, he has type casted himself/pigeon-holed himself as a gay man. It takes a great deal of navigating for actors to avoid type casting. If they want to keep on working in their chosen field, they have to be willing to constantly reinvent themselves.
This unfortunately is best done in interviews, where the actor’s personal lives are up for examination. So, actors have to be very VERY careful about how they craft their public image and the answers they give about their sexuality. Because of his convincing role as a gay man, and his cryptic answers regarding his sexuality when asked about it during interviews, Jo may have made it harder for him to find work as an actor.
That is why he made intimations last year about being in talks with some German cable network stations regarding his own “tech” show/program. I think that would be awesome, and he would be so interesting to watch. Thore, on the other hand has been very careful to not type cast himself as a gay character. His answers during interviews have made it clear that he is a straight man.
I take my hat off to him with how diplomatically he’s answered direct questions about his sexuality. “You know acting is really hard, and because I’d never kissed a guy before, I was nervous about how realistic I was portraying the character—Christian Mann.” So well said! Finally, Thore has further distanced himself from being type cast “gay” by dating Julia Kilka—or at least making it known that he’s dating her.
I am not quite sure what the writers are trying to do? Christian and Olli are broken up yet all they do is argue with each other for the sake of arguing? This storyline is just moving in circles. Obviously both men are hurt but a conclusion to this storyline better happen soon the writers have to decide whether they get back together or find Christian a new boyfriend.
R the writers trying to wind Chrolli fans up? I ask because one of the reasons we loved this couple was how they handled their misunderstandings. They argued but never stooped to being vicious (Christian) and ? (Olli) Personally I support Olli 200%, he does no wrong in my eyes.
I have not followed this story or the guys' storyline for a while. I was really disappointed at both of the guys and what they did to each other to dissolve their relationship. It hurt - what I had to remember that this is just a soap opera where eventually they break up the couples. This is one of the reasons that I stop looking at Days of our Lives when I was a teenager. Christian & Oliver had a beautiful love story and then get married. Where are the saviors, Gregor or Judith.
@XYZannika You may be right that Chris is a hypocrite but I don't see how. At least not in the normal meaning of the word. Would you give me an example.
they both destroyed their relationship , but Christian behaves after their breakup as a cruel ass without heart . he blames everyone around him for his own mistakes , and his haughty behavior is intolerable. I hope he is satisfied now, he can disappear with his new girlfriend. Nobody will miss him, just last few Christian's defenders here .the authors totally destroyed his character and this man has no heart, no morals, no manners - he's just big arrogance on two legs
@XYZannika What made Christian special back in the beginning was his honesty and strong moral principles. That's all gone now. Note sure if Theresa is his girlfriend, more like a vagina on tap.
A bisexuality is a soap's convenience to be able to spin their storylines better, but in reality it must be some love to a man to prevail. Because an alternative is wife, family, children. No wonder that Olli, who was reclassified from bi to gay, reacted so strongly that it's always a woman..
@XYZannika I hope you are a gay man dissing Christian, because I don't think that a woman has any idea what gay relationships between 2 men are like. If you are female, don't you think your being rather arrogant telling us how to live our lives?.
@ManInhumanity Then the two of you should get a pulpit, a congregation and an edifice and hold Sunday services at the "The Olli Sabel holier than Thou Forever Victimized by the Devil Christian" church.
@shenadoa And hallelujah! I'm just having a great time imaging what a holy-roller Olli Sabel church interior would look like. There'd definitely be a few icons of his deliciousness. There might be a mural of the Beloved behind the high altar and he'd be clothed in tight white jeans and a black muscle T and barefoot. He be bronzed and defined and sporting two-day-old facial stubble. He'd look defenseless and pouty. He'd be HOT! But he'd also still be partially to blame for this mess.
@daiselladarling I don't like taking sides, but the gospel according to the Olli-ites is that Christian is the devil incarnate, and that Olli is divine (not!) it has taken two to create this mess. Thank you for trying to enlighten people, and spreading the word! Amen!
AWW!! Poor Charlie! feels betrayed!...yeah??!! wut about when she let Christian stay at her place, let him cheat on her nephew there (more than once), AND pretended she didnt "see" anything? seems like she knows rit from wrong huh?and "melodramatic"?? come on lady! and Christian...he's still hot!! BUT, man, you and you're horse-face-slut wont be young for ever!!
They both talk about moving on but nobody has actually used the 'divorce' word...that kinda makes you hope, but it's so hard to watch them nowadays- awkward as hell :(
So, i'm thinking that the more Christian and Olli "talk," they're getting the teensiest, tiniest bit closer to working things out...maybe...hopefully. I just like that they're in the same scene and arguing somewhat. :) And they obviously still care what the other one thinks about them/what they're doing...
Who's right, who's wrong. Wo cares at this point. Personally, I feel like I'm in a relationship with the writers and I am being totally strung along. Could you please just make it plainly clear that they are over or get the back to the amazing and honest communication they used to have, because this is not them at all...infidelity or no.
Dont you see that they are crazy of love?They are bevaving so damned stupid because they have fallen head over heels in love and its impossible to change this anymore. They have already burnt in their love......A song says: Its late, its so late to forget him, to run away, to refuse my fellings...its late, its so late.....he has been blood im my hurt.......
Oh, I just think we should give Chrolli up and continue with our lives, these two characters have gotten too poisoned for me to ever again believe in them if they get back together...
Look Olli is no saint. If you go back to when he was on VL the first time before he jumped on a cruise liner, he cheated on his boyfriend Tom at least a couple of times and with a woman no less. Accepted Tom's proposal even though he no intention of marrying him. Not to mention he messed around with Charlie's boyfriend at the time. Christian and Olli both have done rotten things whilst in relationships. In this situation: Is Christian being an ass? Yes. Is Olli acting immature? Yes.
of course it was christian's fault.. he had to screw it up again by sleeping with theresa.. when are they gonna get a divorce? this is turning out to be a pointless relationship anyways since none of them even try anymore..
@klinton123 Of course, it was Olli's fault. Chris idn't s;\leep with Jessica. Olii shut Chris off completeley. He violated their trust by not listening.
some people don't want te hear this , but this egocentric Olli becoming a model and thus hurting his auntie Charlie is the same egocentric Olli who forced Christian into marriage and only thought about himself when he put through the adoption.
Olli is a great guy , as a friend , but a pain as a boyfriend.
@boazMarcus AYE, AYE!.....Olli's a great friend, kind-hearted, caring, thoughtful but he's a lot of work as a boyfriend. His actions in pursuing the adoption despite Christian's unequivocal stance that he wanted a relationship that was centered around the two of them was one of Olli's contributions to this marriage mess.
The fault, of course, was Christian when he has sex with Jessica.
Kisses on Miriam and Rebecca I am not even discuss.
I still think Olli could have been a bit more flexible. But their relationship was compromised because of loss of Lilli, pain that match any of them solve it.
Christian only had sex with Teresa after Olli ended the relationship saying that he could not forgive the betrayal.
Do not want to seem to be defending Christian, but Olli had not forgiven the betrayal of Christian and then forward the two were free, while still married. Christian does not betrayal Olli when he cheat with Teresa and nor Olli when have sex with Rafael.
Olli und Jessica... weiss nicht ob ich weinen oder kotzen soll XD aber jetzt bin ich gespannt wie es noch weitergehen kann.................. May nochmals vielen Dank fuer deine ganze Anstrengung :D
I haven't read all the previous comments, but I assume most of it is taking the one side or the other. I'm choosing Christians side. I mean, he had a hell of a lot of patience, waiting for Olli, but there is a limit to how much waiting you can do before you can't take it anymore. Christian tried to show that he regretted it, he was even honest from the start, and what does he get? A husband kicking him out, rejecting him over and over, not trusting him and acting like a child. Who's the sinner?
@Tedd92 I agree with you but all the Olli defenders want to continue to say is "HE CHEATED FIRST" it's old and tiresome. If my husband ever looked at me the way Olli did to Christian in the street I would be devastated :( Makes sense he moved on.
Charlie - isn't she a real piece of art. What I can't get is how worked up she got over Olli signing the contract but yet showed no emotion a while back when Christian was sleeping with Theresa in her apartment while at the same time hoping that they would get back together. I'm not saying that he should have signed but Olli is grasping at straws now for any help he can get. It didn't help with Christian saying he was to old to model the day before. Thumbs up for Christians support (ass)
@garyandjane73 What grasping at straws? Olli took the job once he read from the consumer research that he had scored very favorably with those surveyed. His ego, not his anxiety, was signing that contract. He was flattered and a bit impressed with himself. He was also extremely cool and composed at the signing. In fact, he put Tanya in her place. That doesn't seem the definition of panic and desperation.
@daiselladarling I think that you may have misunderstood what I was trying to say or I just didn't present it right. I totally agree with you. He was very much in control and cool about it. What I was trying to get across was that people basically don't like growing old and having someone saying that to them. A few episodes ago with that young guy, it was brought out about his age. Age plays a part when you get older. That's why a lot of people get plastic surgery
@garyandjane73 Sorry, I did misunderstand. And you're quite right. Now that he's "single" again, he's got to rebrand and re-market the same old self. That's going to take a good deal more effort than it would have 3 years earlier. Maybe, that extra effort and the unpredictability of it all may make him reassess his marriage.
I actually have respect for Olli taking the modeling gig, and as if Chris has the right to an opinion or jealousy. Olli's using the modeling money to supplement his business and properties, whereas all Chris's got is some horse job and a convenient vaj that's belongs to a repulsive woman.
Olli should shave and grow his hair like in the past; it'll take all that age he's so insecure about off his face. And find an older mature beefy hottie with even more gray then he's got. That would be hot.
@Iclabon72 Actually, you're not quite correct. Christian has a half-interest in NoLimits. So he doesn't have merely his horse job. Any money Olli spends on the bar will benefit Christian. Are you still glad Olli has taken the modeling gig and is going to dump some of that money into the bar and the building it's in? Maybe Olli should draw a line down the center of NoLimits and spend his modeling money only on the half that belongs to him.
But that's the thing with soaps. You never know what the soap is going to decide is to dramatic and painful a hurdle for Chrolli to overcome. Exactly how big of a deal is Christian's cheating and strong hetero urges, when VL can put he and Olli back together regardless of whether the solution to do so makes true sense. IMO, I don't see how they can overcome this.
To be honest, Chris has been repressing his straight needs their whole relationship? Was Olli forever going to be enough?
@Iclabon72 I understand your psychologizing and arriving at your conclusion that Christian has been repressing his heterosexuality or his bisexuality throughout the boys' entire relationship. What I don't quite see, however, are the actual incidents. Are the three kisses that preceded the alleged shtupping of Jessica (one with Mariam, two with Rebecca) the whole of your evidence? If you've found more concrete evidence, I'm really interested in revisiting the episodes they're found in. Thanks.
@daiselladarling That's what I thought. Christian never had sex with anyone during their marriage until the alleged Jessica threesome which we know did not happen. So the Theresa affair iwas after Olli kicked Chris out of their home. Is that how you remember it?
@shenadoa Precisely......the Theresa-shtupping occurred after Christian was living at the stables. Christian was living at the stables because Olli found it impossible to regain his equilibrium while having Christian constantly around. If we're going to pscyhologize about repressed heterosexuality, I want to muddy the waters by suggesting that each of three kisses and the alleged shtupping were in response to Christian's feeling angry at and frustrated with Olli's indifference to his needs.
@daiselladarling That's what I have noticed as well. Chris has "dallied" with gals as a way to get back at Olli for ignoring him or ignoring his feelings It was clear that Chris brought Theresa to Charlie's FS just to spite Olli. Do you buy the idea that Chris is straight but only gay for Olli? I have never seen that in real life?
@shenadoa About the “true love” remark – I agree. In my view all people fall in love not with the person they are with but with their notion, the notion in their heads, of the person they have decided to share their lives with. IRL. In real life that is. So, go ahead people, true love does not exist, all you romantic, just go cut your veins, you’ll never find your fairytale irl, right? Hell, NO! Fairytales is what make us believe, what make us hope, and finally – what make us drive forward.
@illisidi1 But living in a fantasy when the real person is in front of us is a mental illness. Dreams and fanatasies are fine for the future but they do not belong to the present. Once you have found someone with whom you can share your life, accept them for who they are. The pain comes when you expect them to be your fanatsy. Accepting them as they are is your love for them.
@shenadoa You know, another friend of mine, heterosexual, made an interesting observation. He said “A woman might be with a man for various reasons – looking for protection, for security, or because of her own insecurity, even for money. But a man can’t be with a woman who doesn’t love him”.
@illisidi1 "But a man can’t be with a woman who doesn’t love him”. Well for 3,000 yrs marraige was a business arrangement. Romantic love as we call did not exist until about the 14th century. Your friends comparison points out the social inequality between men and women. Shouldn't the saying be, "A man doesn't need to be with a woman he doesn't love because he is finacially independent and can just move to the next romance.'?
@shenadoa Considering the “madness” stage, the “stage of the illusions” that do exist I hope you agree with that fades into something different – more settled feeling in partnership, companionship if you’d like. Some couples stay together, some – separate, after having their “eyes open”. Following that line of thought, If it’s the same for two homosexual couples means that any homosexual couple is doomed from the beginning – which I absolutely refuse to agree with!
About cheating and sleeping with other and many men/women for the sake of the pure sex – well, you got me there. As much as I hate to admit and have pretty hard time accepting as well (I’l old-facion minded in that respect) there is an explanation for that. Couple of entomologist explained it to me once – but since I was a bit drunk, I can’t recall the actual words.
The idea however was something like this – people are still driven by instincts as well by logic and mind. So one of the most basic instincts is continuation of the genetic material men are wearing, which means – spreading the seed as much as possible.
I know, its complete rubbish for me, but they got me there as well by some complicated speech about men’s evolvement between the evolvement of humans as species up to the point when primal instincts are in direct controversy with the society’s directives and morals.
I think men cheat more then women, and I think they do it without thinking much neither before, nor after the actual event, so, the explanation sounded convincing for me – no matter how much I didn’t like it. That’s a blade that can freely turned against me, and probably will.
Sorry, if I offended your feelings, I didn’t mean that. It’s one of those “what if he’s right” things that really gets me from time to time and doesn’t leave me in piece.
@illisidi1 "But a man can’t be with a woman who doesn’t love him”. Ouch! This comment from your friend is really annoying me. It sounds to me like pure sexist bullshit. Men eagerly sleep with women who don't love them. Men stay married to women who don't love them. Men marry women who don't love them. And young men can easily be raped by a woman he neither loves nor even finds attractive.
What do you see in his staement that isn't BS? I'm lost.
@shenadoa He’s a typical alpha-male, so I can understand a comment like that coming from him, but – beleave me or not, he’s highly romantic person as well. I think, and this is just me, he was referring to the men’s instinct to be the one in the eyes of the woman, the strongest, the biggest shelter, the provider, the protector.
@illisidi1 These statements that you seem to think portray your friend as being romantic in the "old school" sense of strong, protective male are really about control not romance.
@shenadoa I want my f-ing fearytale! This is supposed to be a TV-show! This is supposed to entertain! Get it realistic, and it will go down the drain. No one wants to watch THEIR lives, people want to watch a BETTER VERSION of their lives.
@illisidi1 If I understand your argument is that TV shows, movies, novels are supposed to be fairytales to give us relief from reality? Yes, I agree with you there.
@shenadoa If I wanted something THAT close to real life to show me how much it sucks, I would go and watch the three “Alien”s – you know the emblematic horror sci-fi movie, which bottom line is “There is no escape. Whatever you do, however hard you fight, the end is imminent, and you’ll lose. Go jump in some lava”.
But, okay, let’s talk IRL stuff. There is no “true love”. BUT there is, in my view, finding a person, who is getting that close to your perception of him as it can. He will be more than that of course, but if he’s close enough, you can ignore the rest. What is a real relationship? Compromises, compromises, compromises. Oh, I almost forgot! And compromises!
@shenadoa One friend told me – “to love someone means to give him what he wants, not to have what you want”. And if one is lucky enough, they will meet a person who will share that view. Is it the “real love”? No. But it’s the next best thing, and it exists. It can be found if people do not despair and stop looking for it. And that’s why they need their fairytales – to keep their hopes up.
@illisidi1 But reality will always be a letdown after a fairytale and therein lays the conflict. "You are not living up to my fairytale (expectations), so therefore, you don't love me". It seems to me that it is because of the fairytale that relationships fail. I like what your friend said but I would say it this way. "When you receive whoever comes into the space of Now as a noble guest, when you allow each person to be as they are, they begin to change."
Yes, I think we understand each other perfectly. Living in an imaginary world is a mental illness indeed, but hay - people… uh… sane people are suppose to know that. About what your friend said – I love it, its absolutely true and very elegantly put. It goes both ways, however – you allow them in your space, they allow you in theirs. As they change, so do you.
@shenadoa Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. Compromising gives the chance for the couple to evolve together. But we are talking IRL stuff. And Chrolli’s a fairytale, no matter how real it sounds.
@shenadoa That made me think – aren’t we, men, the bigger dreamers? And what happens when two men are in THAT position – in love with each other. Okay we agreed that in our respective personal views ‘real love’ does not exists, but lets pretend for the sake of the argument – other people might not share ours.
Please, Ladies, don’t hate me for this comment, it’s not sexist, I’m just elaborating.
@illisidi1 The genetic difference between a color blind person and a color seeing person dictates 2 realities. The genetic difference between mena nd women does the same thing. Then there is the perceived requirement of a woman to own her man. isn't that what all the false eyelashes, stuffed bras and war paint is all about? And the social pressure for a man to be a steriod pumped muy macho male. All this and more makes for our separation from each other. Still, what is true love?
@daiselladarling You may already have commented on this. I haven't read every comment. Some comments from female fans I find offensive. It seems to me they are telling a gay guy how he has to live his life and then throwing a hissy fit when Chris doesn't live up to their expectations. As if a straight man or straight woman knew anything about the realationship between 2 gay men.
1) i hate when christian smile cynically!
2) jessica's face 9:50 LOL too funny!
3) olli, just do what you want to do!
pancreaseful 2 weeks ago
Thanks May - really finding it hard to stick with this, seeing the guys at each others throats is so soul destoying and again Christian acting like such a dick to Olli - how much more do we have to put up with, this is torture! :'(
coyleJ 1 month ago
Christian you are such a bitch! Sorry i loved u but thats the truth! Olli deserves much better.
Westlife344131420 2 months ago
Personally , i no loner want to see Oliver and Christian together .
Olli seems happy without him ... and that's what i want :)
btw , sometimes i like Jessica .
coldmemories1 3 months ago
GOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHRISTIAAAAAN! I AM HATING YOU SO MUCH LATELY ¬¬ "who ran after whom" and that stupid smile you made ¬¬
Fedeparamore 3 months ago
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"Who ran after whom Olli?"... Damn! That's gotta hurt
Cerferable 3 months ago
Are thry going to get back together?
kelticboy92 4 months ago
1 more think, mmm, they are married jet, and they are in the adoption list too? XD, may be will make a surprise with this way, even if they two never will be a couple in the show.
p3p1tw1st 5 months ago
mmm, I think olli model carrer will be a good idea but probably will tale any problem sure, XD, he will recover his strong personality getting importance to itself. The history of Christian alone is so stupid, without substance, totally normal or as a plain, without any mountain, or tree... I don't know if they are finished or not, I only continue the show with the hope of YES, between, I follow the olli history that is more interesting...
p3p1tw1st 5 months ago
Unfortuately seeing as there's no english subtitles are Christian Oliver still together or have they broken up?
LightLife4 5 months ago
@LightLife4 Did you read the info in the description box? Press the small cc button under the video to watch with English subtitles (closed captions). If they're not working for you, you can watch the videos with embedded English subtitles on MercuryMay02 (see link in the description box or on my main channel page).
MercuryMay01 5 months ago
@MercuryMay01 Since your reply I have seen some new clips and was dissapointed to learn that they have seperated. I hope that they are able to reconcile as they do make a really good couple and the relationship does come across as intimate. They've obviously hit a bad patch but if they're serious about each other they'll sort it out.
LightLife4 5 months ago
Finally a good scene between Christian and Oliver. This remember me the old good times scenes filled with love and passion.
This soap should be called now "The adventures of Pink Jessica" Her slogan:
All women should wear pink and look like a cheap sex worker .
krider36 5 months ago
porfavor pongan estos capitulos en subtitulos en espanol!
yessimay4450 5 months ago
Dude why is Christian such an asshole?
philogracee2 5 months ago 5
if ollie is like a son to charlie then why is she chubby with christian?
hsmrmae 5 months ago 2
I really wish I could have a peep at what the writers have in store for them. Then I would ( insert endless possibilities here) if it is not to my liking
ahnobi 5 months ago
My first observations is simple. Tanja is a bitch, but for her, that is how she has been a success in business. In the real world, some people must be this way to get what they want. As for Charlie, I have to agree. Christian did shatter Oliver's self confidence. Christian wants to deny it or avoid it, but this is the truth. Now Olli has made a blood pact with the devil and there is no saving him. I know this s/l is going to turn out bad, but oh well........
fireballnc2 5 months ago 2
Charlie and Christian should give Olli more of a chance with the modelling. What Olli said is true - he really does need a new start considering all that he has been through. They should let him do what he wants to do, and if Olli screws it up, then he brought it upon himself.
alecz4eva 5 months ago
Well, so far I´ve been a big Christian supporter, mostly because I really like Thore (shallow, I know). But now I am pissed off. What happened to his character? Suddenly he is a mean guy laughing in Olli´s face? Where did that come from, authors?
EvickaBM 5 months ago
Woo-hoo Jo & Thore still have that on screen chemistry (of course this was all about tension and stomach twisting in the tummy of viewers)...
flipboidex 5 months ago 2
"whoa is me, whoa is me," the person who commented my last entry, I'm meant to say "woe is me" not "whoa is me." My bad, thanks for pointing it out to me.
menRmemorable 5 months ago
ok I need to make an apology to anyone I offended. Even tho I know it's TV, I'm very invested in this show for a number of reasons. I'm gay, My partner is European - Dutch/German in fact and his middle name is (wait for it) Christian! And he's a blond athlete (bodybuilder) and we plan to marry in the Hague next summer. Oh and I'm taller with short dark hair and eyes. So I take this all maybe a bit too personally sometimes. If I have offended anyone, my apologies.
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GrigorKant 5 months ago in playlist Chrolli @ Verbotene Liebe
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plz upload the 123rd episode as soon as possible...thanks
drhima224 5 months ago
till now i didnot get why tht sudden change in chris life,,why he is into women again? ok ,,jessica was mistake but why he keep sleeping wth tht tresa???now i donot belive tht he loved oili,,the writer must fix tht so quickly or else lots will turn over chris,,
chris and oili must get back vry soon,,but in very convieniant way,,orelse it will be sooo bad,,,,i wanna to knw,wht will gonna happe after oili became model?when will be the rest of epoisite?
drhima224 5 months ago
This storyline is getting a bit too realistic what with all the unhappiness and continuous fighting between Christian and Oliver. I don't want to see shitty real life, I've already got one of those. Come on! The soaps are where people go to escape their problems!
MouthsLikSdwndrMisls 5 months ago 4
MercuryMay01, someone was asking about some of christain's back ground the only thing that I found was that Gregor and Christain's mother killed herself and their dad was a complusive gambler and Gregor was a callboy plus Chris went to jail twice for his dad, chris has had a lot of bad s---t happen to him in his life maybe thats why he go's into a shell like his face go's blank and he act,s like he dosen't care. who asked I hope this helps you in understanding chris a little bet.
tigger19771 5 months ago in playlist Chrolli @ Verbotene Liebe
Okay, I've been rewatching a few back episodes, and I still ask myself the same question: why did Christian briefly get "involved" with Jessica? Before his marriage, Chris would make passes at women in order to push Olli's buttons--to get attention, to get Oliver to stop steam rolling over him etc. But what ever he did with J seems to be more than that this time. This time...
WraithCake8 5 months ago
He wasn't trying to push Olli's button's because Olli wasn't around. Is he ashamed of being gay? Was he trying to lose himself in the pleasure of women--at least sexually because he was so emotional about the whole kid thing? It's the motive that is troubling many viewers--whether we fall on the "Christian slept with J" or "J's lying" as she always does. Clearly something happened, but why? When there isn't a "clear" motive an audience will find it harder and harder to suspend disbelief.
WraithCake8 5 months ago
Unfortunately I don't believe Christian anymore , that he loves Olli and the writers have to convince me that Chris is not just a cold and arrogant man ,otherwise I don't want any reconciliation of Chrolli. Olli made alsoa lot of mistakes but he doesn't deserve such a treatment.:((
177betty 5 months ago 6
I hate all those anti-Olli and anti-Christian clubs,I still love both of them Olli and Chris as well, I'm just terribly upset and disappointed of Christian's behavior after that night with Jessica .this man is not that loving Christian anymore , who was able to give up his career for Olli.
177betty 5 months ago
Chris you want to save money on the repairs of the apartment well then you helped remodel NL so get off your a-- and work on that apartment, lets get a move on "ok " .
tigger19771 5 months ago in playlist Chrolli @ Verbotene Liebe
The wait is anguishing ...
GrigorKant 5 months ago in playlist Chrolli @ Verbotene Liebe
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GrigorKant 5 months ago in playlist Chrolli @ Verbotene Liebe
I can't remember another gay couple on television that's lasted as long as Christian and Oliver. So yes, breaking up does make sense, this is a soap and soaps are all about drama. I think the whole marriage thing with Christian and Oliver was bit over the top but soaps are all about they are supposed to be romance involved.
JordanjamesX 5 months ago
@JordanjamesX Please explain why a break-up makes sense simply because no other gay couple has managed to survive for three years. There's always got to be that something that breaks out of the mold and changes the rules of the game. Why shouldn't a 5-year-happily-married gay couple be as viable as one that disintegrates badly after three years? There are hundreds of ways to create drama other than a marriage's collapse. That's one of the hackneyed, uninspired ways of creating drama.
daiselladarling 5 months ago
Soon enough there will be fangirls arguing over "Team Christian" and "Team Olli".
I'm "Team Chrolli" btw.
ReijiAoeGirl666 6 months ago 3
@ReijiAoeGirl666 Soon? There have been those three teams for... a month at the very least.
valnyra 5 months ago
@ReijiAoeGirl666 I was team Chrolli, now I am team Olli till Christian gets his head out of hes a**
ahnobi 5 months ago
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ashleynegi 6 months ago
I'd rather see them fight than see them with other people.
Honestly I hate them both equally right now because they're both being extremely childish.
but as much as I hate them I think they need to work their crap out and get back together.
xXiLoveYou97Xx 6 months ago 14
@xXiLoveYou97Xx U r absolutely right!!
sweetpuppy120489 6 months ago
@xXiLoveYou97Xx ,,,me tooo it is better to fight with each other rather than being with someone else,,,but i wanna to knw,,are they stil lmarried?????
drhima224 5 months ago
Im waiting for them to address the fact that THEY ARE STILL MARRIED! They are acting like hateful exes, when they havent even... x'd .. yet. = P Lmao.
BoysLovingBoys 6 months ago
@MrAudienceMember "Here, Here!" I couldn't agree with you more.
Also, I haven't read the the debate on who falls on whose side (Christian and Oliver), but think they're both wonderful characters--both wonderful people who have a hard time having a long term relationship--well who doesn't? People need to think about it, Oliver has got excellent taste in men, so does Christian--to criticize either one, would be criticizing both. There is a reason they both met and fell in-love--they're both good.
WraithCake8 6 months ago 2
@Rumake Now one thing you may be intimating is that birthdates are a matter of public record. Do you mean in Germany? And do you mean that anyone has access to this information? That's rather frightening given Germany's history. For instance, in the US, Canada and the UK there are very strict privacy laws. No one can access your personal information without your expressed written permission. And when you give it, you can give limited access.
WraithCake8 6 months ago
@Rumake Say for instance, an employer needs to know your employment number, but cannot access any other piece of information about you, your martial status, your ethnic origin as an example. So, it wouldn't surprise me if actors in Germany also lied about their age to their employer.
WraithCake8 6 months ago
@Rumake In terms of actor's lying about their age, I do know there was a legal battle with IMDB for publishing actor's birthdates. Often these birthdates are not accurate, and it takes a long time for IMDB to update the information. Also, almost all actors don't want their birthdates published as this is a matter of professional longevity.
WraithCake8 6 months ago
The tricky part is to wait until one of them re-appear. It is a fact that the writers changed the focus of interest in the novel and they have appeared less and less regularity.
GrigorKant 6 months ago in playlist Chrolli @ Verbotene Liebe
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They should just have Olli fly to Paris or NY and be a hot model and a vain homosexual and have Christian marry Theresa and get two children, that'll be a great way to finish it and show a realistic life (not) -.-...
Helios89Zg 6 months ago
Scene 9:17 "Grow a beard and scratch your ass," that right there was priceless. Olli in this episode was full of come backs for everyone include homophobic Ansger. No one should feel sorry for Olli's loneliness, he's the one who initiated the break-up, why is he mad at Christian for moving on, how long was Christian going to wait for him. He needs to start growing up, instead of down.
menRmemorable 6 months ago 4
@menRmemorable I agree with you 100% nd how long is Olli going to feel sorry for himself.
shenadoa 6 months ago
@shenadoa, my sentiments exactly, Olli has become a whiner; whoa is me, whoa is me, I say he needs to give it a rest already, he's not getting any sympathy from me.
menRmemorable 5 months ago
Danke, May.
ZamTx1 6 months ago
What I find sad is they always seem to break up gay couples in a nasty way on soaps. Why? Why can't they live happily (as so many of them do in real life!) and if the actors want to leave the show, then have them "move to Australia" together, or something. Why does it always have to be a really nasty break up or death?? Poor Roman on AWZ with a brain tumor... Why??
Cinnamongal77 6 months ago 2
@Cinnamongal77 So you don't think the writers will use some Soap formula to get them back together? Luckily they write and film tow a month or three before episodes air. My guess is that gay fans will find a reconciliation belivable but I am not sure about the female fans. They seem very bitter that Chris cheated on them. To paraphrase the bard, "Hell hath no furry like a woman's scorn."
shenadoa 6 months ago
@Cinnamongal77 I agree and disagree gay relationships just like straight relationships have problems. Why should Christian and Oliver be treated any different just because they are a same sex couple? A lot of things contributed to the break up from Oliver's impulsiveness trying to force Christian to get another foster child, getting married. Oliver controlled the relationship and he did not pay attention to Christian's needs. Christian was upset he was devastated when Lilly was taken away.
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Helios89Zg 6 months ago
Chrolli have turned into a circus XD -.-... This whole cheating thing is boring as hell, both Christian and Olli are acting like aliens have possessed their brains or something... VL authors, if you wanna make a good cheating story, include a third MAN, if you're too homophobic to do that, then you shouldn't have started with the story in the first place... What's the point of this? That being gay is bad, that gays are unlucky in love and that most revert back to women? Seriously -.-!!!!!!
Helios89Zg 6 months ago
I've read that 90% of actors lie about their age--always that they are younger. Who knows. both O&C are looking weary without one another. I think this storyline will end--sadly. I think Thore will try to stay on the show, but I think Jo has other plans. Again, who knows. Anyone here have any tips?
WraithCake8 6 months ago
@WraithCake8 Birth records are public record. I guess you mean they lie about their age socilaly or amongst friends.
Rumake 6 months ago
In spite of everything, they still love each other. Christian was never gay, as in attracted to men, he was in love with Ollie, and Ollie only. I think Jessica only took pics of two drunk guys and it'll come out soon.
As for the breakup and distance, Ollie freaked at losing the kid, but Chris kept his emotions inside. He was more devastated because he loves from the bottom of his heart. He wasn't ready for another kid so soon and got mad hearing Ollie talking to the CPS. Patience, fans.
MrAudienceMember 6 months ago
@MrAudienceMember If Christian referred to himself as gay and went through the hassle of establishing himself professionally as a gay boxer, as opposed to a straight boxer who happened to be in love with a particular man, who are we as viewers to question his self-description. The current batch of writers have so completely ignored the history that lead up to their marriage. They've written the post-marriage storyline as if nothing pre-existed the marriage. That's why nothing makes any sense.
daiselladarling 6 months ago 35
@ManInhumanity I'm beginning to wonder if Olli and Christian haven't been more in love with the notion of being in love with each other than with actually loving each other. I think they both were sufficiently in love with each other to have shared lives as committed boyfriends. I'm now doubting, however, that they loved each other enough to have made a marriage between them viable.
daiselladarling 6 months ago
@ManInhumanity You may be right.....everything seems to have soured after the foster-parenting episode with Lilly. Speaking of which, wouldn't you have thought that one of Olli's first actions upon regaining his wits after the temporary breakdown would have been to resume his planning for a second foster child? Pre-Jessicapade, he was all gung-ho for another go at foster parenting. That's flown completely out the window. It's as if it never occurred.
daiselladarling 6 months ago
@ManInhumanity You've misunderstood my tone....I meant it jokingly.....It wasn't meant to be personal at all. Ah, the limitations of the written language.
daiselladarling 6 months ago
@ManInhumanity Disagree with which part(s)? That in defense of Christian's not being Beelzebub, that prescribing an alcohol and sedative remedy for all the half-crazed Olli-ites thirsting for his blood or that pleading with that rabble to put a sock in it ? Talk about nags!
daiselladarling 6 months ago
I have just been watching part 45 on Deepdarkmidnights channel, thank you Alejandro, I am in pieces, it's so beautiful - what have they done to our boys................?
WidgeySmiglet 6 months ago
oh, also Ollie needs to use cold water for his wash from now on.
pacchiarotti1 6 months ago
these two need st john's wort and a bit of honesty.
pacchiarotti1 6 months ago
Wow. Reading the Christian V. Olli debate in the comments section has become more entertaining than the show. Not only have the VL writers done a brilliant job at pitting the two characters against one another but the fans as well. I'm surprised people haven't started printing up Team Olli & Team Christian t-shirts.
lillys78 6 months ago 14
@lillys78 That's the really sad thing about all this, in the beginning it was Team Chrolli, and May's cookie couch for support, but since then we have divided into factions, either supporting one or the other! All I know is that we are the true victims here the fans, for putting up with this cr-p! I want to thank dear May for supporting our addiction, but I am still Chrolli United and forever, all I want is my boys back together please and soon. TEAM CHROLLI FOREVER!! ~ Thank you xxxxxxxxxx
WidgeySmiglet 6 months ago 2
@lillys78 That's fanny, really!
GrigorKant 6 months ago in playlist Chrolli @ Verbotene Liebe
neden olli ile cristian ın arasını bozdular yaa.
christian çok kötü bir karaktere dönüştü. bari boşansınlar. artık bir araya gelme ihtimali çok az galiba :(
sadmontage 6 months ago
"you're mine now" Tanja is one creepy pregnant lady.
Olli shouldn't let anything Christian says put him off. But I guess he still feels concerned about how Christian feels, I mean they were the love of each others' lives. It is hard to let go. And christian needs to stop hurting olli, he is a lame jerk.
xxkarinaaxx 6 months ago 2
Christian should disappear and stop making olli hurt. I think Olli should meet another man that he could trust forever better than missing the now-terrible Christian
belovedballoon 6 months ago
I just hope the writers are not complete sadists to do that to first two scenes to the show’s audience after giving then … what four? Five? years of a couple happily live together and satisfying the audience thrust for the real fairytale.
illisidi1 6 months ago
Happily ever after (my favorite scenario, unfortunately, the most unlikable to occur) Christian gets his chick pregnant, they have a child, then she dies, leaving him the child. Olli’s compaction drives them back together and they “ride to the sunset” to live happily ever after, and both leave the show. Together.
illisidi1 6 months ago
Olli lives the scene – being too hurt and so and such. May be even dies. Christians becomes a real heterosexual and stays on the show.
They both leave the scene – go their separate ways so to speak, like Julia and other character had already done.
illisidi1 6 months ago
I hope you see what I mean my that and where I’m heading with my elaborations. Now the writers give the audience the impression they want to close “Chrolli” storyline. That could happen by three ways:
illisidi1 6 months ago
The kid factor is quite, quite strong and being unable to adopt a kid is a very big blow for the new born family.
I’m speaking from personal experience, and I’m from a country, where the society is that is far less liberal and acceptable to gay couples then Germany.
illisidi1 6 months ago
As I wrote earlier, I still have some catching up to do to the real event, but I’m pretty close – to the current events. On a much sober (I hope) and professional prospective, I think I understand what writers are trying to do here. Olli’s proposal in my opinion was the biggest mistake he could have make – since Christian already hed given up his hopes for “the whole nine yards“ – marriage and kids.
illisidi1 6 months ago
Okay, so these are my thoughts on the recent few episodes. I get the feeling that Jo may leave the show. Therefore, the Chrolli storyline will be over; the series will introduce new, and younger gay/transitioning to gay characters; Thore will explore is “straight” side on the show, but I think he may leave also. The reasons for my hypothesis:
WraithCake8 6 months ago
@WraithCake8 I thought the opposite I thought that maybe Thore was going to leave the show. Thore is young and he speaks English well I think Thore could make it in Hollywood. I wonder how long Thore will stay on the show?
JordanjamesX 6 months ago
In terms of TV land, once you’re over 30 you’re kaputt. But because Jo and Thore have been a great ratings generator, the contract for the actors has stayed as is. Nonetheless, Jo is getting older and unfortunately, he has type casted himself/pigeon-holed himself as a gay man. It takes a great deal of navigating for actors to avoid type casting. If they want to keep on working in their chosen field, they have to be willing to constantly reinvent themselves.
WraithCake8 6 months ago
This unfortunately is best done in interviews, where the actor’s personal lives are up for examination. So, actors have to be very VERY careful about how they craft their public image and the answers they give about their sexuality. Because of his convincing role as a gay man, and his cryptic answers regarding his sexuality when asked about it during interviews, Jo may have made it harder for him to find work as an actor.
WraithCake8 6 months ago
That is why he made intimations last year about being in talks with some German cable network stations regarding his own “tech” show/program. I think that would be awesome, and he would be so interesting to watch. Thore, on the other hand has been very careful to not type cast himself as a gay character. His answers during interviews have made it clear that he is a straight man.
WraithCake8 6 months ago
I take my hat off to him with how diplomatically he’s answered direct questions about his sexuality. “You know acting is really hard, and because I’d never kissed a guy before, I was nervous about how realistic I was portraying the character—Christian Mann.” So well said! Finally, Thore has further distanced himself from being type cast “gay” by dating Julia Kilka—or at least making it known that he’s dating her.
WraithCake8 6 months ago
I am not quite sure what the writers are trying to do? Christian and Olli are broken up yet all they do is argue with each other for the sake of arguing? This storyline is just moving in circles. Obviously both men are hurt but a conclusion to this storyline better happen soon the writers have to decide whether they get back together or find Christian a new boyfriend.
JordanjamesX 6 months ago
R the writers trying to wind Chrolli fans up? I ask because one of the reasons we loved this couple was how they handled their misunderstandings. They argued but never stooped to being vicious (Christian) and ? (Olli) Personally I support Olli 200%, he does no wrong in my eyes.
ahnobi 6 months ago
I have not followed this story or the guys' storyline for a while. I was really disappointed at both of the guys and what they did to each other to dissolve their relationship. It hurt - what I had to remember that this is just a soap opera where eventually they break up the couples. This is one of the reasons that I stop looking at Days of our Lives when I was a teenager. Christian & Oliver had a beautiful love story and then get married. Where are the saviors, Gregor or Judith.
genevievewyatt 6 months ago
Thanks for the video :)) Olli's scenes with Ansgar were the best !!!
No words to Christian- such a hypocrite .:((
XYZannika 6 months ago 13
@XYZannika You may be right that Chris is a hypocrite but I don't see how. At least not in the normal meaning of the word. Would you give me an example.
shenadoa 6 months ago
they both destroyed their relationship , but Christian behaves after their breakup as a cruel ass without heart . he blames everyone around him for his own mistakes , and his haughty behavior is intolerable. I hope he is satisfied now, he can disappear with his new girlfriend. Nobody will miss him, just last few Christian's defenders here .the authors totally destroyed his character and this man has no heart, no morals, no manners - he's just big arrogance on two legs
XYZannika 6 months ago 17
@XYZannika What made Christian special back in the beginning was his honesty and strong moral principles. That's all gone now. Note sure if Theresa is his girlfriend, more like a vagina on tap.
A bisexuality is a soap's convenience to be able to spin their storylines better, but in reality it must be some love to a man to prevail. Because an alternative is wife, family, children. No wonder that Olli, who was reclassified from bi to gay, reacted so strongly that it's always a woman..
IvanIV05 6 months ago
@XYZannika I hope you are a gay man dissing Christian, because I don't think that a woman has any idea what gay relationships between 2 men are like. If you are female, don't you think your being rather arrogant telling us how to live our lives?.
shenadoa 6 months ago
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shenadoa 6 months ago
it takes 2 to end a relationship. doesn't matter who is at fault, because ultimately it is both of theirs.
thatjfkid 6 months ago
@ManInhumanity Then the two of you should get a pulpit, a congregation and an edifice and hold Sunday services at the "The Olli Sabel holier than Thou Forever Victimized by the Devil Christian" church.
daiselladarling 6 months ago
@daiselladarling Amen!
shenadoa 6 months ago
@shenadoa And hallelujah! I'm just having a great time imaging what a holy-roller Olli Sabel church interior would look like. There'd definitely be a few icons of his deliciousness. There might be a mural of the Beloved behind the high altar and he'd be clothed in tight white jeans and a black muscle T and barefoot. He be bronzed and defined and sporting two-day-old facial stubble. He'd look defenseless and pouty. He'd be HOT! But he'd also still be partially to blame for this mess.
daiselladarling 6 months ago
@daiselladarling I don't like taking sides, but the gospel according to the Olli-ites is that Christian is the devil incarnate, and that Olli is divine (not!) it has taken two to create this mess. Thank you for trying to enlighten people, and spreading the word! Amen!
WidgeySmiglet 6 months ago
AWW!! Poor Charlie! feels betrayed!...yeah??!! wut about when she let Christian stay at her place, let him cheat on her nephew there (more than once), AND pretended she didnt "see" anything? seems like she knows rit from wrong huh?and "melodramatic"?? come on lady! and Christian...he's still hot!! BUT, man, you and you're horse-face-slut wont be young for ever!!
faldagirl1 6 months ago
They both talk about moving on but nobody has actually used the 'divorce' word...that kinda makes you hope, but it's so hard to watch them nowadays- awkward as hell :(
tazoulinimary 6 months ago
So, i'm thinking that the more Christian and Olli "talk," they're getting the teensiest, tiniest bit closer to working things out...maybe...hopefully. I just like that they're in the same scene and arguing somewhat. :) And they obviously still care what the other one thinks about them/what they're doing...
Dreamstrikers 6 months ago
this is such a bitchslap to Chrolli fans.... i mean honestly
ricepie16 6 months ago 2
Who's right, who's wrong. Wo cares at this point. Personally, I feel like I'm in a relationship with the writers and I am being totally strung along. Could you please just make it plainly clear that they are over or get the back to the amazing and honest communication they used to have, because this is not them at all...infidelity or no.
ggspeech 6 months ago 3
Dont you see that they are crazy of love?They are bevaving so damned stupid because they have fallen head over heels in love and its impossible to change this anymore. They have already burnt in their love......A song says: Its late, its so late to forget him, to run away, to refuse my fellings...its late, its so late.....he has been blood im my hurt.......
7mimakos 6 months ago 2
Oh, I just think we should give Chrolli up and continue with our lives, these two characters have gotten too poisoned for me to ever again believe in them if they get back together...
Helios89Zg 6 months ago
Look Olli is no saint. If you go back to when he was on VL the first time before he jumped on a cruise liner, he cheated on his boyfriend Tom at least a couple of times and with a woman no less. Accepted Tom's proposal even though he no intention of marrying him. Not to mention he messed around with Charlie's boyfriend at the time. Christian and Olli both have done rotten things whilst in relationships. In this situation: Is Christian being an ass? Yes. Is Olli acting immature? Yes.
lillys78 6 months ago
Thank you may. The inevetible happens.
gdtopification 6 months ago
of course it was christian's fault.. he had to screw it up again by sleeping with theresa.. when are they gonna get a divorce? this is turning out to be a pointless relationship anyways since none of them even try anymore..
klinton123 6 months ago
@klinton123 Of course, it was Olli's fault. Chris idn't s;\leep with Jessica. Olii shut Chris off completeley. He violated their trust by not listening.
shenadoa 6 months ago
Well...at least there are scenes where they still communicate? Even if they are biting each other's head off.
DanWCloud 6 months ago
i just love tanja ;-)
boazMarcus 6 months ago 2
some people don't want te hear this , but this egocentric Olli becoming a model and thus hurting his auntie Charlie is the same egocentric Olli who forced Christian into marriage and only thought about himself when he put through the adoption.
Olli is a great guy , as a friend , but a pain as a boyfriend.
boazMarcus 6 months ago
@boazMarcus AYE, AYE!.....Olli's a great friend, kind-hearted, caring, thoughtful but he's a lot of work as a boyfriend. His actions in pursuing the adoption despite Christian's unequivocal stance that he wanted a relationship that was centered around the two of them was one of Olli's contributions to this marriage mess.
daiselladarling 6 months ago
bellabana
The fault, of course, was Christian when he has sex with Jessica.
Kisses on Miriam and Rebecca I am not even discuss.
I still think Olli could have been a bit more flexible. But their relationship was compromised because of loss of Lilli, pain that match any of them solve it.
GrigorKant 6 months ago in playlist Chrolli @ Verbotene Liebe
bellabana
Christian only had sex with Teresa after Olli ended the relationship saying that he could not forgive the betrayal.
Do not want to seem to be defending Christian, but Olli had not forgiven the betrayal of Christian and then forward the two were free, while still married. Christian does not betrayal Olli when he cheat with Teresa and nor Olli when have sex with Rafael.
GrigorKant 6 months ago in playlist Chrolli @ Verbotene Liebe
I Love Tanja more and more!!! ahah
Carlos3ac 6 months ago 2
Olli und Jessica... weiss nicht ob ich weinen oder kotzen soll XD aber jetzt bin ich gespannt wie es noch weitergehen kann.................. May nochmals vielen Dank fuer deine ganze Anstrengung :D
LoSpecchioNero 6 months ago
I haven't read all the previous comments, but I assume most of it is taking the one side or the other. I'm choosing Christians side. I mean, he had a hell of a lot of patience, waiting for Olli, but there is a limit to how much waiting you can do before you can't take it anymore. Christian tried to show that he regretted it, he was even honest from the start, and what does he get? A husband kicking him out, rejecting him over and over, not trusting him and acting like a child. Who's the sinner?
Tedd92 6 months ago 2
@Tedd92 I agree with you but all the Olli defenders want to continue to say is "HE CHEATED FIRST" it's old and tiresome. If my husband ever looked at me the way Olli did to Christian in the street I would be devastated :( Makes sense he moved on.
hannicaid 6 months ago
Charlie - isn't she a real piece of art. What I can't get is how worked up she got over Olli signing the contract but yet showed no emotion a while back when Christian was sleeping with Theresa in her apartment while at the same time hoping that they would get back together. I'm not saying that he should have signed but Olli is grasping at straws now for any help he can get. It didn't help with Christian saying he was to old to model the day before. Thumbs up for Christians support (ass)
garyandjane73 6 months ago 2
@garyandjane73 What grasping at straws? Olli took the job once he read from the consumer research that he had scored very favorably with those surveyed. His ego, not his anxiety, was signing that contract. He was flattered and a bit impressed with himself. He was also extremely cool and composed at the signing. In fact, he put Tanya in her place. That doesn't seem the definition of panic and desperation.
daiselladarling 6 months ago
@daiselladarling I think that you may have misunderstood what I was trying to say or I just didn't present it right. I totally agree with you. He was very much in control and cool about it. What I was trying to get across was that people basically don't like growing old and having someone saying that to them. A few episodes ago with that young guy, it was brought out about his age. Age plays a part when you get older. That's why a lot of people get plastic surgery
garyandjane73 6 months ago
@garyandjane73 Sorry, I did misunderstand. And you're quite right. Now that he's "single" again, he's got to rebrand and re-market the same old self. That's going to take a good deal more effort than it would have 3 years earlier. Maybe, that extra effort and the unpredictability of it all may make him reassess his marriage.
daiselladarling 6 months ago
I actually have respect for Olli taking the modeling gig, and as if Chris has the right to an opinion or jealousy. Olli's using the modeling money to supplement his business and properties, whereas all Chris's got is some horse job and a convenient vaj that's belongs to a repulsive woman.
Olli should shave and grow his hair like in the past; it'll take all that age he's so insecure about off his face. And find an older mature beefy hottie with even more gray then he's got. That would be hot.
Iclabon72 6 months ago
@Iclabon72 Actually, you're not quite correct. Christian has a half-interest in NoLimits. So he doesn't have merely his horse job. Any money Olli spends on the bar will benefit Christian. Are you still glad Olli has taken the modeling gig and is going to dump some of that money into the bar and the building it's in? Maybe Olli should draw a line down the center of NoLimits and spend his modeling money only on the half that belongs to him.
daiselladarling 6 months ago
But that's the thing with soaps. You never know what the soap is going to decide is to dramatic and painful a hurdle for Chrolli to overcome. Exactly how big of a deal is Christian's cheating and strong hetero urges, when VL can put he and Olli back together regardless of whether the solution to do so makes true sense. IMO, I don't see how they can overcome this.
To be honest, Chris has been repressing his straight needs their whole relationship? Was Olli forever going to be enough?
Iclabon72 6 months ago
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daiselladarling 6 months ago
@Iclabon72 I understand your psychologizing and arriving at your conclusion that Christian has been repressing his heterosexuality or his bisexuality throughout the boys' entire relationship. What I don't quite see, however, are the actual incidents. Are the three kisses that preceded the alleged shtupping of Jessica (one with Mariam, two with Rebecca) the whole of your evidence? If you've found more concrete evidence, I'm really interested in revisiting the episodes they're found in. Thanks.
daiselladarling 6 months ago
@daiselladarling That's what I thought. Christian never had sex with anyone during their marriage until the alleged Jessica threesome which we know did not happen. So the Theresa affair iwas after Olli kicked Chris out of their home. Is that how you remember it?
shenadoa 6 months ago
@shenadoa Precisely......the Theresa-shtupping occurred after Christian was living at the stables. Christian was living at the stables because Olli found it impossible to regain his equilibrium while having Christian constantly around. If we're going to pscyhologize about repressed heterosexuality, I want to muddy the waters by suggesting that each of three kisses and the alleged shtupping were in response to Christian's feeling angry at and frustrated with Olli's indifference to his needs.
daiselladarling 6 months ago
@daiselladarling That's what I have noticed as well. Chris has "dallied" with gals as a way to get back at Olli for ignoring him or ignoring his feelings It was clear that Chris brought Theresa to Charlie's FS just to spite Olli. Do you buy the idea that Chris is straight but only gay for Olli? I have never seen that in real life?
("True love' is a fantasy, in my opinion)
shenadoa 6 months ago
@shenadoa About the “true love” remark – I agree. In my view all people fall in love not with the person they are with but with their notion, the notion in their heads, of the person they have decided to share their lives with. IRL. In real life that is. So, go ahead people, true love does not exist, all you romantic, just go cut your veins, you’ll never find your fairytale irl, right? Hell, NO! Fairytales is what make us believe, what make us hope, and finally – what make us drive forward.
illisidi1 6 months ago
@illisidi1 But living in a fantasy when the real person is in front of us is a mental illness. Dreams and fanatasies are fine for the future but they do not belong to the present. Once you have found someone with whom you can share your life, accept them for who they are. The pain comes when you expect them to be your fanatsy. Accepting them as they are is your love for them.
shenadoa 6 months ago 15
@shenadoa You know, another friend of mine, heterosexual, made an interesting observation. He said “A woman might be with a man for various reasons – looking for protection, for security, or because of her own insecurity, even for money. But a man can’t be with a woman who doesn’t love him”.
illisidi1 6 months ago
@illisidi1 "But a man can’t be with a woman who doesn’t love him”. Well for 3,000 yrs marraige was a business arrangement. Romantic love as we call did not exist until about the 14th century. Your friends comparison points out the social inequality between men and women. Shouldn't the saying be, "A man doesn't need to be with a woman he doesn't love because he is finacially independent and can just move to the next romance.'?
shenadoa 6 months ago
@shenadoa Considering the “madness” stage, the “stage of the illusions” that do exist I hope you agree with that fades into something different – more settled feeling in partnership, companionship if you’d like. Some couples stay together, some – separate, after having their “eyes open”. Following that line of thought, If it’s the same for two homosexual couples means that any homosexual couple is doomed from the beginning – which I absolutely refuse to agree with!
illisidi1 6 months ago
About cheating and sleeping with other and many men/women for the sake of the pure sex – well, you got me there. As much as I hate to admit and have pretty hard time accepting as well (I’l old-facion minded in that respect) there is an explanation for that. Couple of entomologist explained it to me once – but since I was a bit drunk, I can’t recall the actual words.
illisidi1 6 months ago
The idea however was something like this – people are still driven by instincts as well by logic and mind. So one of the most basic instincts is continuation of the genetic material men are wearing, which means – spreading the seed as much as possible.
illisidi1 6 months ago
I know, its complete rubbish for me, but they got me there as well by some complicated speech about men’s evolvement between the evolvement of humans as species up to the point when primal instincts are in direct controversy with the society’s directives and morals.
illisidi1 6 months ago
I think men cheat more then women, and I think they do it without thinking much neither before, nor after the actual event, so, the explanation sounded convincing for me – no matter how much I didn’t like it. That’s a blade that can freely turned against me, and probably will.
Sorry, if I offended your feelings, I didn’t mean that. It’s one of those “what if he’s right” things that really gets me from time to time and doesn’t leave me in piece.
illisidi1 6 months ago
@illisidi1 Don't worry. I wasn't offended. Just having trouble keeping that idea in my head.
shenadoa 6 months ago
@illisidi1 "But a man can’t be with a woman who doesn’t love him”. Ouch! This comment from your friend is really annoying me. It sounds to me like pure sexist bullshit. Men eagerly sleep with women who don't love them. Men stay married to women who don't love them. Men marry women who don't love them. And young men can easily be raped by a woman he neither loves nor even finds attractive.
What do you see in his staement that isn't BS? I'm lost.
shenadoa 6 months ago
@shenadoa He’s a typical alpha-male, so I can understand a comment like that coming from him, but – beleave me or not, he’s highly romantic person as well. I think, and this is just me, he was referring to the men’s instinct to be the one in the eyes of the woman, the strongest, the biggest shelter, the provider, the protector.
illisidi1 6 months ago
@illisidi1 These statements that you seem to think portray your friend as being romantic in the "old school" sense of strong, protective male are really about control not romance.
daiselladarling 6 months ago
@illisidi1 The only thing that women need to be protected from is men. The protective male is a tyrant.
Rumake 6 months ago
@shenadoa More than less...
GrigorKant 6 months ago in playlist Chrolli @ Verbotene Liebe
@GrigorKant I don't understand?
shenadoa 6 months ago
@shenadoa I want my f-ing fearytale! This is supposed to be a TV-show! This is supposed to entertain! Get it realistic, and it will go down the drain. No one wants to watch THEIR lives, people want to watch a BETTER VERSION of their lives.
illisidi1 6 months ago
@illisidi1 If I understand your argument is that TV shows, movies, novels are supposed to be fairytales to give us relief from reality? Yes, I agree with you there.
shenadoa 6 months ago
@shenadoa If I wanted something THAT close to real life to show me how much it sucks, I would go and watch the three “Alien”s – you know the emblematic horror sci-fi movie, which bottom line is “There is no escape. Whatever you do, however hard you fight, the end is imminent, and you’ll lose. Go jump in some lava”.
illisidi1 6 months ago
But, okay, let’s talk IRL stuff. There is no “true love”. BUT there is, in my view, finding a person, who is getting that close to your perception of him as it can. He will be more than that of course, but if he’s close enough, you can ignore the rest. What is a real relationship? Compromises, compromises, compromises. Oh, I almost forgot! And compromises!
illisidi1 6 months ago
@shenadoa One friend told me – “to love someone means to give him what he wants, not to have what you want”. And if one is lucky enough, they will meet a person who will share that view. Is it the “real love”? No. But it’s the next best thing, and it exists. It can be found if people do not despair and stop looking for it. And that’s why they need their fairytales – to keep their hopes up.
illisidi1 6 months ago
@illisidi1 But reality will always be a letdown after a fairytale and therein lays the conflict. "You are not living up to my fairytale (expectations), so therefore, you don't love me". It seems to me that it is because of the fairytale that relationships fail. I like what your friend said but I would say it this way. "When you receive whoever comes into the space of Now as a noble guest, when you allow each person to be as they are, they begin to change."
shenadoa 6 months ago
Yes, I think we understand each other perfectly. Living in an imaginary world is a mental illness indeed, but hay - people… uh… sane people are suppose to know that. About what your friend said – I love it, its absolutely true and very elegantly put. It goes both ways, however – you allow them in your space, they allow you in theirs. As they change, so do you.
illisidi1 6 months ago
@shenadoa Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. Compromising gives the chance for the couple to evolve together. But we are talking IRL stuff. And Chrolli’s a fairytale, no matter how real it sounds.
illisidi1 6 months ago
@shenadoa That made me think – aren’t we, men, the bigger dreamers? And what happens when two men are in THAT position – in love with each other. Okay we agreed that in our respective personal views ‘real love’ does not exists, but lets pretend for the sake of the argument – other people might not share ours.
Please, Ladies, don’t hate me for this comment, it’s not sexist, I’m just elaborating.
illisidi1 6 months ago
@illisidi1 The genetic difference between a color blind person and a color seeing person dictates 2 realities. The genetic difference between mena nd women does the same thing. Then there is the perceived requirement of a woman to own her man. isn't that what all the false eyelashes, stuffed bras and war paint is all about? And the social pressure for a man to be a steriod pumped muy macho male. All this and more makes for our separation from each other. Still, what is true love?
shenadoa 6 months ago
@daiselladarling You may already have commented on this. I haven't read every comment. Some comments from female fans I find offensive. It seems to me they are telling a gay guy how he has to live his life and then throwing a hissy fit when Chris doesn't live up to their expectations. As if a straight man or straight woman knew anything about the realationship between 2 gay men.