all those who are speaking a lot of gibberish right here have not for one day taken note of how when you were in deep trouble things miraculously turn around and everything you were worrying about just get sorted out.
God really does exist! just look around you
I don't go to any church but I believe God is watching over us at all times and that our lives are in his hands and for what I have experienced in my life I will never be able to open my mouth in truth and say that god does not exist.
@TheNatdia I think most believers have one experience that proves for them that God is real. Tongues was mine. But every other aspect of God that I questioned crumbled. Never any real proof of healings, no answers to prayer that couldn't be attributed to chance and coincidence, more evidence *against* Jesus being the Messiah than there is evidence *for* him being the Messiah, four different resurrection stories that contradict each other, and so on. Given the overall evidence, tongues had to go.
@Discern4 most people believe tongues is a precanical gift which was needed to write the bible and is no longer needed to spread the Word of God. This is why tongues isn't really seen today except under what many would call questionable circumstances. CS Lewis said "I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."
@TheNatdia Thanks for sharing your experience. I don't doubt your belief but I would challenge you to be the best witness possible. What you claim is called a special revelation and its rare. You believe God exists but do you serve Him and worship Him? Don't you want others to know Him? It seems like going to church might help you to understand God better and help others to know Him better by sharing your experience. I hope you find a church that works well for you.
LOL, try demonic discernment and then I would love to hear from someone say they don't believe in God or demons or the supernatural :D Speaking in tongues is for nonbelievers-not for believers to hear. You left that part out....I agree wholeheartedly that most of what churchy religious people do today is learned behavior but that doesn't disprove in those gifts.
@DreamsOfCottages said " try demonic discernment and then I would love to hear from someone say they don't believe in God or demons or the supernatural :D"
Not sure what you mean?
"Speaking in tongues is for nonbelievers-not for believers to hear. You left that part out"
1 Cor. 14:22 says tongues is a *sign* to the unbeliever - that is, something that helps prove God is real. If believers shouldn't hear tongues, how do they use the gift of interpretation?
@Discern4 You got me there w/ the interpretation LOL. What I meant about the demonic discernment is it makes it hard for anyone to see a demon and then go on their life as if these things are not real. It is an extremely rare Biblical gift but for the few of us who have it (and believe me sometimes we wish we didn't have it)...makes it difficult to ever doubt our faith. I am training to be a certified exorcist. I am able to see and route out demon/demonic manifestation in/around people.
@DreamsOfCottages You may chalk it up to me being loony and I won't fault you if you do. But I have been checked out psychologically and had CAT scans....also I have no childhood traumas to speak of. I have always seen them too, ever since I can remember. Along w/ this "gift" (LOL) comes great faith<this comes in order to deal with them and also remove them. I never knew why I had either for so long until recently when it all came together and finally made some sense :)
@Discern4 Also just to clarify so you don't start talking to me like you would a fundy who needs to learn to study books other than a bible a few things to note. I am a pan-en-theist Christian<that is I believe in a personal God but a God that is in all, of all and through all everything in and outside existence. I believe that Christianity is the closest thing we have here to somewhat make sense of God's character<although flawed and written by cave dwellers LOL. It's what we got :)
@DreamsOfCottages Ok, you believe you see demons - where do you go from here? How does that experience prove which God is the right one? Which heaven do you choose, and which hell do you try to avoid? If there's no hell, where do the demons come from? What is the foundation of your beliefs?
And if your God is "in all", that means He is a part of those demons too. He is in them, and they are in Him. Perhaps they can do nothing apart from His will? It sounds like you're tormented by your own God.
@Discern4 How do I know which God is the right God? I don't claim to specify God. I don't think we would ever be able to really. God is a part of everything, you are right. I don't know exactly what the demons are, Im only human. I only know my own reality and go from there. Even in the Bible demons don't come from hell so I don't understand where you are going w/ that. I don't view hell as a literal place anyways. The Bible is like 99% allegory in my view.
@Discern4 My main point was only that when you witness something supernatural, like a good many people do~then it makes it hard and nearly impossible to simply write off things that only require faith and are untestable. That is the only thing I was getting at :) And many people never will and I would never expect them to understand without experience something and I definitely never would expect people to just take me at my word~I could be wrong! Take care :) I really enjoy your vids!
@Discern4 At 3:28 the girl was clearly in a deep hypnotic trance before hands were laid on her. It is really upsetting to see this kind of manipulation being used on people. I very much see them as being victims that don't know they are victims.
@uncleboring I wouldn't call it a trance though. I've sat through hundreds of these services, and I've done the whole "enjoying God's presence with your eyes closed and hands raised" thing. The band is playing softly in the background, you've just heard a sermon on how awesome God is, it's all an emotional high that you believe is the "presence of God". But I wouldn't call it an altered hypnotic state. They still need their senses when the pastor touches them so they can fall down on cue.
@Discern4 Part1. I agree with you that it is a programmed thing i.e. "I see people get touched on the head and collapse, so that is what I am supposed to do" (maybe even at a sub-concious level). Some will do it because it is kind of expected (group coersion) but others are genuinely affected by it. I've studied hypnosis and experienced it myself. The preacher will get people to visualise an image (invoke the imagination), touch hypno-sensitive areas like the forehead,
@Discern4 Part2. shoulder and hands. A strong feeling of expectation is generated when people start colapsing, especially in a large group & when the preachers shouts. It is upsetting because some people can be affected at a much deeper level & that is much more difficult to undo. This is genuine abuse which I have a deep hatred of. In regard to people not colapsing when the there were no catchers, as a general rule the mind protects the body and wont allow it to get injured
god sure has a lot of lawyers ( apologists) and a whole lot of salesmen ( preachers), you'd think the most powerful being in the universe would be able to not only defend his existence from doubt but also clear up all the confusion over the interpretations.
The church I attended as a child thought speaking in tongues was silly and ridiculous, and they were the ones who had it right. Every single church is firmly convinced that they are the only ones who have interpreted the word of god correctly. I find all religions ridiculous and pointless.
For anyone having enough balls, here's an idea: Go to a church where they regularly speak in tongues, and at the moment of silence, start interpreting the speech with something like "I created thau through natural selection, and it is my will that you find the truth for yourself. Cease misinterpreting the holy texts, and find the gifts I have placed for you in this world".
I believe child indoctrination only retards the next generation and therefore society as a whole of children were all free thinkers they would have a desire to learn unlike the children today
I wish I knew what it's like to be so "faithful" to a god. There was a time in my life when I called myself a christian, but I always had SERIOUS doubts.
I can't really understand what it's like to hold such a profound belief. I also can't understand what it's like to go from holding the belief to losing it.
I wish I could, but I'm also kind of glad I can't (lol) if that makes any sense.
Burritos make me discern spirits. Senators speak in tongues, it's called bullshit.
"Jalapenoslalalalala, Sourcreamlalalalalala, Cheddarcheeselalalalalala, Refriedbeanslalalalala. "Be careful, who you allow to influence you." That's right preacher man, STFU.
@Discern4 - First, I can't believe how big some of those Pentecostal churches are! Wow, just masses of gullible people.
Second, even when a person doesn't know another man-made language it's still apparent when another is speaking it that they're actually using a different complex language right? Yet when I hear someone religious speaking in "tongues" it's painfully obvious that they're merely speaking gibberish... not some heavenly language.
@PainAddict666 Tongues are from God. So even if it doesn't sounds like a proper language, if it's from God, who are we to question it? Even Paul states that he speaks with the tongues of angels. It's a heavenly language that may sound strange to us, but to God it sounds like a perfect prayer.
(I just gave you the pentecostal answer. You can see how deep the delusion goes)
I grew up pentacostal so alot of this I reemmber, heck I was always scared that the holy spirit would call upon me to translate and I wouldn't have a clue what it was or be too scared heh.
@wolfwing1 yep I can still speak in tongues. I can mix it up a bit too, throw in a few different syllables. Oh man, reminds me of how many countless hours I spent talking gibberish.....
7:33...the idea that charismatic churches will addendum "god can't move where he's not wanted"often fosters the idea within that church of being MORE sanctified than others.it created a sense of superiority and feeling special in the churches i attended,and likely is to blame for the church hopping i saw now that i consider it.people often moved around to where 'the spirit of god was welcome and proving himself".good vids, Discern4!
@practicalmagic9 Yeah exactly, my church always considered itself better than all the other "lukewarm" churches - after all, we allowed God to move in our services, and we weren't afraid to speak in tongues like other watered-down pentecostal churches like HILLSONG.
(yep, that's the way we were, constantly judging other churches)
BEST VIDEOS SO FAR!!! I was at Pentecostal church for a while and wondered why the person in the sound booth or members playing a instrument never caught the holy ghost. Thanks to the TLD for recommending your channel!!
@ChristopherHitchslap Thank you! Exactly, the people on stage almost never get caught out by the Holy Ghost. Also, if you're in the back rows, you're generally safe from God as well :)
The people who try to figure out what the people who speak in tongues remind me of the fans who try to figure out what a cartoon character is saying when it's speaking a fake language such as when it sounds like chinese when really it's nonsense. It's completely pointless, it doesn't have any real meaning and yet people get really into it.
@9CrystalDragon2 In almost all of the "interpretations" I heard in my church, they are basically a reiteration of what was just preached by the pastor. They mix the basic message of the sermon with a couple scriptures they can remember, and embellish it a bit with what they think God would be saying in response. This is why interpretations never happen during the song service - without a sermon to bounce off of, they wouldn't know what topic to 'interpret'!
A lot of this reminds me of the xkcd comic that went something like "My Hobby: Exploiting that a lot of dreams are strangely common, and some people having them don't know this." Everybody has wondered as a young teenager, or feels as though they are going through a rough patch... chances are an overwhelming majority of them are absolutely right in this self-examination. Thanks for another solid video. Also, where you you get your music? It works in the background very well.
@dab0r Thanks! I wish I had a single source for music, it would make things easier, but I just hunt around till I find something non-commercial that works. The track for this was from a graphics tech demo called "realtech: realoaded".
@assalane I didn't escape christianity until I was 30 - any great thinking I do is a result of years of indoctrination and having a lot of time to analyze this stuff. Too bad I didn't analyze it *critically* at the time!
"Reach out and touch me" made me think they were about to start singing 'Personal Jesus'
Nocturnalux 1 month ago
all those who are speaking a lot of gibberish right here have not for one day taken note of how when you were in deep trouble things miraculously turn around and everything you were worrying about just get sorted out.
God really does exist! just look around you
I don't go to any church but I believe God is watching over us at all times and that our lives are in his hands and for what I have experienced in my life I will never be able to open my mouth in truth and say that god does not exist.
TheNatdia 1 month ago
@TheNatdia I think most believers have one experience that proves for them that God is real. Tongues was mine. But every other aspect of God that I questioned crumbled. Never any real proof of healings, no answers to prayer that couldn't be attributed to chance and coincidence, more evidence *against* Jesus being the Messiah than there is evidence *for* him being the Messiah, four different resurrection stories that contradict each other, and so on. Given the overall evidence, tongues had to go.
Discern4 1 month ago
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@Discern4 most people believe tongues is a precanical gift which was needed to write the bible and is no longer needed to spread the Word of God. This is why tongues isn't really seen today except under what many would call questionable circumstances. CS Lewis said "I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."
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@TheNatdia Thanks for sharing your experience. I don't doubt your belief but I would challenge you to be the best witness possible. What you claim is called a special revelation and its rare. You believe God exists but do you serve Him and worship Him? Don't you want others to know Him? It seems like going to church might help you to understand God better and help others to know Him better by sharing your experience. I hope you find a church that works well for you.
ShawnSwander 2 weeks ago
LOL, try demonic discernment and then I would love to hear from someone say they don't believe in God or demons or the supernatural :D Speaking in tongues is for nonbelievers-not for believers to hear. You left that part out....I agree wholeheartedly that most of what churchy religious people do today is learned behavior but that doesn't disprove in those gifts.
DreamsOfCottages 2 months ago
@DreamsOfCottages said " try demonic discernment and then I would love to hear from someone say they don't believe in God or demons or the supernatural :D"
Not sure what you mean?
"Speaking in tongues is for nonbelievers-not for believers to hear. You left that part out"
1 Cor. 14:22 says tongues is a *sign* to the unbeliever - that is, something that helps prove God is real. If believers shouldn't hear tongues, how do they use the gift of interpretation?
Discern4 2 months ago
@Discern4 You got me there w/ the interpretation LOL. What I meant about the demonic discernment is it makes it hard for anyone to see a demon and then go on their life as if these things are not real. It is an extremely rare Biblical gift but for the few of us who have it (and believe me sometimes we wish we didn't have it)...makes it difficult to ever doubt our faith. I am training to be a certified exorcist. I am able to see and route out demon/demonic manifestation in/around people.
DreamsOfCottages 2 months ago
@DreamsOfCottages You may chalk it up to me being loony and I won't fault you if you do. But I have been checked out psychologically and had CAT scans....also I have no childhood traumas to speak of. I have always seen them too, ever since I can remember. Along w/ this "gift" (LOL) comes great faith<this comes in order to deal with them and also remove them. I never knew why I had either for so long until recently when it all came together and finally made some sense :)
DreamsOfCottages 2 months ago
@Discern4 Also just to clarify so you don't start talking to me like you would a fundy who needs to learn to study books other than a bible a few things to note. I am a pan-en-theist Christian<that is I believe in a personal God but a God that is in all, of all and through all everything in and outside existence. I believe that Christianity is the closest thing we have here to somewhat make sense of God's character<although flawed and written by cave dwellers LOL. It's what we got :)
DreamsOfCottages 2 months ago
@DreamsOfCottages Ok, you believe you see demons - where do you go from here? How does that experience prove which God is the right one? Which heaven do you choose, and which hell do you try to avoid? If there's no hell, where do the demons come from? What is the foundation of your beliefs?
And if your God is "in all", that means He is a part of those demons too. He is in them, and they are in Him. Perhaps they can do nothing apart from His will? It sounds like you're tormented by your own God.
Discern4 2 months ago
@Discern4 How do I know which God is the right God? I don't claim to specify God. I don't think we would ever be able to really. God is a part of everything, you are right. I don't know exactly what the demons are, Im only human. I only know my own reality and go from there. Even in the Bible demons don't come from hell so I don't understand where you are going w/ that. I don't view hell as a literal place anyways. The Bible is like 99% allegory in my view.
DreamsOfCottages 2 months ago
@Discern4 My main point was only that when you witness something supernatural, like a good many people do~then it makes it hard and nearly impossible to simply write off things that only require faith and are untestable. That is the only thing I was getting at :) And many people never will and I would never expect them to understand without experience something and I definitely never would expect people to just take me at my word~I could be wrong! Take care :) I really enjoy your vids!
DreamsOfCottages 2 months ago
@Discern4 At 3:28 the girl was clearly in a deep hypnotic trance before hands were laid on her. It is really upsetting to see this kind of manipulation being used on people. I very much see them as being victims that don't know they are victims.
uncleboring 1 month ago
@uncleboring I wouldn't call it a trance though. I've sat through hundreds of these services, and I've done the whole "enjoying God's presence with your eyes closed and hands raised" thing. The band is playing softly in the background, you've just heard a sermon on how awesome God is, it's all an emotional high that you believe is the "presence of God". But I wouldn't call it an altered hypnotic state. They still need their senses when the pastor touches them so they can fall down on cue.
Discern4 1 month ago
@Discern4 Part1. I agree with you that it is a programmed thing i.e. "I see people get touched on the head and collapse, so that is what I am supposed to do" (maybe even at a sub-concious level). Some will do it because it is kind of expected (group coersion) but others are genuinely affected by it. I've studied hypnosis and experienced it myself. The preacher will get people to visualise an image (invoke the imagination), touch hypno-sensitive areas like the forehead,
uncleboring 1 month ago
@Discern4 Part2. shoulder and hands. A strong feeling of expectation is generated when people start colapsing, especially in a large group & when the preachers shouts. It is upsetting because some people can be affected at a much deeper level & that is much more difficult to undo. This is genuine abuse which I have a deep hatred of. In regard to people not colapsing when the there were no catchers, as a general rule the mind protects the body and wont allow it to get injured
uncleboring 1 month ago
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@Discern4 Part3. (for those that are hypnotised). BYW this has been one of my most favorite videos so far.
uncleboring 1 month ago
Madness of a socially, acceptable nature. Madness, all the same.
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago
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dmilesexec 2 months ago
This is a fine video. Thanks for taking the time to make it.
comingatchu 3 months ago
@comingatchu thank you!
Discern4 3 months ago
god sure has a lot of lawyers ( apologists) and a whole lot of salesmen ( preachers), you'd think the most powerful being in the universe would be able to not only defend his existence from doubt but also clear up all the confusion over the interpretations.
Requiemxtoxinnocence 3 months ago
The church I attended as a child thought speaking in tongues was silly and ridiculous, and they were the ones who had it right. Every single church is firmly convinced that they are the only ones who have interpreted the word of god correctly. I find all religions ridiculous and pointless.
8698gil 3 months ago
For anyone having enough balls, here's an idea: Go to a church where they regularly speak in tongues, and at the moment of silence, start interpreting the speech with something like "I created thau through natural selection, and it is my will that you find the truth for yourself. Cease misinterpreting the holy texts, and find the gifts I have placed for you in this world".
boenrobot 3 months ago 2
Man, I remember this shit. Funny is, even as a Christian, I always called bullshit. Guess that's why I'm atheist
jippzmcghee 3 months ago 4
Why is the interpretation always 16th century language lol
MrAdwolfe1 3 months ago
I've been saying this for years smh great work bro
MrAdwolfe1 3 months ago
The power of suggestion, social conditioning and a bit of confirmation bias; That's all that's needed for a religion to flourish.
tex959 3 months ago
I believe child indoctrination only retards the next generation and therefore society as a whole of children were all free thinkers they would have a desire to learn unlike the children today
nickmcV123 3 months ago
I wish I knew what it's like to be so "faithful" to a god. There was a time in my life when I called myself a christian, but I always had SERIOUS doubts.
I can't really understand what it's like to hold such a profound belief. I also can't understand what it's like to go from holding the belief to losing it.
I wish I could, but I'm also kind of glad I can't (lol) if that makes any sense.
Zentz29 3 months ago
Burritos make me discern spirits. Senators speak in tongues, it's called bullshit.
"Jalapenoslalalalala, Sourcreamlalalalalala, Cheddarcheeselalalalalala, Refriedbeanslalalalala. "Be careful, who you allow to influence you." That's right preacher man, STFU.
Tunnelfish2 3 months ago
@Discern4 - First, I can't believe how big some of those Pentecostal churches are! Wow, just masses of gullible people.
Second, even when a person doesn't know another man-made language it's still apparent when another is speaking it that they're actually using a different complex language right? Yet when I hear someone religious speaking in "tongues" it's painfully obvious that they're merely speaking gibberish... not some heavenly language.
PainAddict666 3 months ago
@PainAddict666 Tongues are from God. So even if it doesn't sounds like a proper language, if it's from God, who are we to question it? Even Paul states that he speaks with the tongues of angels. It's a heavenly language that may sound strange to us, but to God it sounds like a perfect prayer.
(I just gave you the pentecostal answer. You can see how deep the delusion goes)
Discern4 3 months ago
I grew up pentacostal so alot of this I reemmber, heck I was always scared that the holy spirit would call upon me to translate and I wouldn't have a clue what it was or be too scared heh.
wolfwing1 3 months ago
@wolfwing1 lol yeah I always hoped God wouldn't give me the gift of interpretation, I didn't want to embarrass myself in front of 500 people :)
Discern4 3 months ago
@Discern4 heh can you still speak in tongues? :> I can do it at the drop of a hat :>
wolfwing1 3 months ago
@wolfwing1 yep I can still speak in tongues. I can mix it up a bit too, throw in a few different syllables. Oh man, reminds me of how many countless hours I spent talking gibberish.....
Discern4 3 months ago
Great videos! I hear you my man.
Skepticktok 3 months ago
halle ua nee nee ja ach nee oe eo oe mu ha hu ha ha ha!
i can do this too :D
MrWaddefak 3 months ago
These ppl are seriously psychotic, I have no other words to describe it
Akashic8Lamb 3 months ago in playlist More videos from Discern4
i wanna be an interpreter...hahaha.
ladicius 3 months ago
7:33...the idea that charismatic churches will addendum "god can't move where he's not wanted"often fosters the idea within that church of being MORE sanctified than others.it created a sense of superiority and feeling special in the churches i attended,and likely is to blame for the church hopping i saw now that i consider it.people often moved around to where 'the spirit of god was welcome and proving himself".good vids, Discern4!
practicalmagic9 3 months ago
@practicalmagic9 Yeah exactly, my church always considered itself better than all the other "lukewarm" churches - after all, we allowed God to move in our services, and we weren't afraid to speak in tongues like other watered-down pentecostal churches like HILLSONG.
(yep, that's the way we were, constantly judging other churches)
Discern4 3 months ago
"this isn't me talking, it's god remembering" Right.... -_-
mrx0066600 3 months ago 8
BEST VIDEOS SO FAR!!! I was at Pentecostal church for a while and wondered why the person in the sound booth or members playing a instrument never caught the holy ghost. Thanks to the TLD for recommending your channel!!
ChristopherHitchslap 3 months ago
@ChristopherHitchslap Thank you! Exactly, the people on stage almost never get caught out by the Holy Ghost. Also, if you're in the back rows, you're generally safe from God as well :)
Discern4 3 months ago
its time our species grew up =/
stiimuli 3 months ago 13
@stiimuli amen to that.
Discern4 3 months ago
Must see
Derren Brown - Miracles for Sale
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5133P3R 3 months ago 2
@5133P3R that was a must see thank you
TheAnimeAtheist 3 months ago
@5133P3R : I saw this!! IT WAS BRILLIANT!!!
Alineniz 3 months ago
The people who try to figure out what the people who speak in tongues remind me of the fans who try to figure out what a cartoon character is saying when it's speaking a fake language such as when it sounds like chinese when really it's nonsense. It's completely pointless, it doesn't have any real meaning and yet people get really into it.
9CrystalDragon2 3 months ago
@9CrystalDragon2 In almost all of the "interpretations" I heard in my church, they are basically a reiteration of what was just preached by the pastor. They mix the basic message of the sermon with a couple scriptures they can remember, and embellish it a bit with what they think God would be saying in response. This is why interpretations never happen during the song service - without a sermon to bounce off of, they wouldn't know what topic to 'interpret'!
Discern4 3 months ago
A lot of this reminds me of the xkcd comic that went something like "My Hobby: Exploiting that a lot of dreams are strangely common, and some people having them don't know this." Everybody has wondered as a young teenager, or feels as though they are going through a rough patch... chances are an overwhelming majority of them are absolutely right in this self-examination. Thanks for another solid video. Also, where you you get your music? It works in the background very well.
dab0r 3 months ago
@dab0r Thanks! I wish I had a single source for music, it would make things easier, but I just hunt around till I find something non-commercial that works. The track for this was from a graphics tech demo called "realtech: realoaded".
Discern4 3 months ago
you are a great thinker
assalane 3 months ago
@assalane I didn't escape christianity until I was 30 - any great thinking I do is a result of years of indoctrination and having a lot of time to analyze this stuff. Too bad I didn't analyze it *critically* at the time!
Discern4 3 months ago