Operation Eagle Claw: What went wrong? (Part 1 of 2)

[Rohrkrepierer88]

So they managed to drive the operation into the wall without even seen an enemy soldier . But hey they still managed to blow up a fuel tanker , okay if that was their idea of stealth then is better that they never been closer to the prison .

[JineshJK]

First operation of Delta Force...

[BlacktailDefense]

@JineshJK Not a very auspicious beginning, was it?

You can't place all the blame on them, though --- just about every unit that could possibly get involved basically lobbied their way into the operation.

[JineshJK]

@BlacktailDefense No I didnt put blame on them, just said..

[lanchurch]

well done Iran!

[zouhairuk]

I just love the name they give to the missions Operation Eagle Claw, Operation Enduring freedom bla bla bla

[BlacktailDefense]

@zouhairuk That's because the mission naming system has become politicized. The original randomly-generated name was "Operation Rice Bowl", but some pompous, idiot (Br)asshat decided the mission needed a more "patriotic" name.

[engliscwarrior]

should have sent the sas

[BlacktailDefense]

@engliscwarrior Perhaps so, as the only possible chance of success would be a small, inconspicuous, fast-moving team. Tehran was simply too heavily-guarded to just fly right in using helicopters, and land right in front of the hostages.

[msk1911]

Didn't Delta and the 75th Rangers spearhead the rescue? I guess Wiki is wrong...Humm.

[usmc7242]

@4:35, they ALL knew 6 was the least, exaggeration; @4:50, another totally lie by the author, the number of aircraft was NOT up to the Marine Crews. The aircraft they flew in were NAVY RH-53's, it was Marine Corps RH-53's they trained in, but NOT for the mission. I'll stop here, but this video is so innacurrate, it should be taken down

[usmc7242]

@4:20, totally false again, there was ZERO ability of any one force to accomplish this, and the Col who led the helo crews had ALL services try out for positions as pilots and crews, they ended up with a mixed crew of Airforce, navy and mostly marine commanders of each A/C and Navy/Marine air crews; the number of aircraft depended upon one entire Navy squadron sacrificing their entire squadron for the mission, and 8 was the minimum number they could go with and be supported.

[usmc7242]

@2:47, undeniable, sadly, @3:00, established? exagerration, but, yeah, they FOUND a place to land the C-130's, @3:25, oh, please, ANY remote location would be true of that!, @3:55, totally false statement, Carter let the Generals decide what and when, I have spoken with General Vought, he fought other generals, NOT Carter, @4:05, totally bogus again, this was established jointly from the top down, there was ZERO ability to do this with any one force in November 79, this was created by scratch

[usmc7242]

@2:10, the election was 6 months away? Maybe from April, but not from initial readiness of the Delta and Air forces assembled, @2:24, Carter asked EVERYONE for help, it was Cyrus Vance who led that charge! as for economic pressure, Carter held ALL Iranian assets in the US! He froze all their money! He embargoed their country and the world followed! @2:37, maybe, Carter did start the ball, though, while I hate him, he did start it

[usmc7242]

@40 seconds, correct, the rescue started planning right away

@50 secs:The DOD did NOT take their sweet time, they wanted to go many times, it was Jimmy Carter who delayed the mission, there were numerous false starts

@1:10, again, it was NOT the DOD that chose the e final time deliberately, it was because Carter refused to commit until then

@1:55, that is totally false, there were several mock executions, constant threats of public trials and threats of executions, and taken seriously

[usmc7242]

Right from the start, WHO were the NON American hostages? (25 seconds)

@30 seconds, NO, the Students were actually led by Communist front groups, too, not just Islamic radicals and the MEK, they were NOT pawns of the government, in fact, they handed over control to the Ayatollahs, NOT the government, the government was afraid of the Ayatollahs and waited for Khomenie to rule on things rather than act like the government was in charge

[2205Razors]

Oh, apparently, "rescueattempt" is a site dedicated to the servicemen participating in Eagle Claw operation.

Still, no matter how much firepower *was* going to be used, the rescue team never got into the point where such firepower was to be rained down due to the mess-up in planning phase, and lack of rehearsal. The latter is even admitted by the site.

[usmc7242]

whoever made this video has all his facts so wrong in the first minute , this video is not worth commenting on other than this. I was off the coast for this mission. go to rescueattempt

[BlacktailDefense]

@usmc7242 "o to rescueattempt"?

How, exactly, were a couple of helicopters supposed to wade through countless thousands of jetfighters, SAMs, AA guns, MANPADs missiles, tanks, APCs, and armored cars manned by over 100000 military personnel --- *plus* MILLIONS of militia --- who were masses around the hostages and on 24-HOUR HIGH ALERT without all of them getting shot down on the way in?

Are you *really* stupid enough to believe that's physically possible?

[2205Razors]

@BlacktailDefense Psssst... I think the person REALLY did "go to rescueattempt", but there's no account whatsoever if he succeeded; therefore, it's not worth replying. :p

I've seen someone in YT claiming that US F-22 cRaptors have been flying over North Korea undetected. That just shows how brash are some uneducated claims here in.

[usmc7242]

@BlacktailDefense Umm, It wasn't like that, you are ignorant of history, and also of just how much American firepower as going to be usd along with the number of sympathetic Iranians were still in country

[franknbeans4761]

@BlacktailDefense He never said anything about the actual purpose of the mission. He was saying your facts were wrong. Very wrong.

Everyone knows it was a terrible idea.

[daltonagre]

@franknbeans4761 Eagle Claw would be a failure in any ways. I live in Brazil.

[franknbeans4761]

@daltonagre I agree, that was why I said "Everyone knows it was a terrible idea." I was just pointing out a lot of the facts being wrong.

[daltonagre]

@franknbeans4761 Thanks for your answer. As I wrote before, this operation would be a failure in anyway.

[DemonHide]

Looking forward to part 2. Though if better planned and executed, there would be no part 2 to this...

[BlacktailDefense]

@DemonHide

That's true, but "planning" and "execution" are words without definitions to the US military --- contrast Eagle Claw with the Entebbe Rescue.

I'm contemplating doing reports on other US raids that ended in failure, pyrrhic victories, and cadmean victories. Operation Ivory Coast, Koh Tang, and the Paitilla Field Raid come to mind...

[DemonHide]

@BlacktailDefense I would certainly be interested in viewing those videos. Are you considering D-Day, Khe Sanh, and Desert Storm?

[BlacktailDefense]

@DemonHide

D-Day for sure, as it worked was due more to luck than anything else. The size and simplicity of the screw-ups in Operation Overlord is shocking; if the Brass did everything they were TOLD to, it would have been a cakewalk.

You'll probably see Khe Sanh in future presentations, but I'm not sure if it warrants a one-shot video specifically on the event.

Desert Storm is WAY too large and complex to feature by itself, but you'll see many lessons learned from that war in future videos.

[Ag3nt0fCha0s]

Crisis? No. Political windfall? Yes.

You couldn't make this up.

[BlacktailDefense]

@Ag3nt0fCha0s

It's like they say; war is an extension of politics.

Of course, if said politics are screwed-up, so to will be the result of the war extended from it.