"The satem languages (which have the sibilant where the centum equivalents have the velar) include Indo-Iranian, Armenian, Baltic, Slavic, Albanian, and perhaps also a number of barely documented extinct languages, such as Thracian-Dacian."
"The centum group includes all remaining dialects, i.e. Italic, Celtic, Germanic, Hellenic, Tocharian, Anatolian and possibly a number of lesser-known extinct groups"
As you can see, proto-Greek was rather different than Illyric or Armenian or Slavic. :)
"Greek is a Centum language, which would place a possible Graeco-Aryan protolanguage before Satemization, making it identical to late PIE. Proto-Greek does appear to have been affected by the trend of palatalization characteristic of the Satem group, evidenced for example by the (post-Mycenaean) change of labiovelars into dentals before e but the Satemizing influence appears to have reached Greek only after Greek had lost the palatovelars (i.e. after it had already become a Centum language)"
You see the Greek language is a living organism and it has it's defence tools to protect it's chells also history wise your Video is false so go try take some Fyromian words there you will find many albo i am sure
More logical to me is that your unchestors heard our warriors talking about the Δορυ and your unchestors thought they meant their hands and they took the Greek word to name their hands now lets take Σαρισα We have Η Σαρισα της Σαρισας τις Σαρισες των Σαρισών (Ω) Σαρισες.Words coming from there are Σαρώνω(destroy to my way)and the word Σαρισα itself come from the Dorean Σαρ=Destroy on modern Greek we call Σαρακα the handtool witch we cut wood.Σαρακι(canker)and more.
If you clame we got those words from you(think that we see in mordern languages ofc)then those words cant have Grammar on them and thei should be the same at all times but what we see is the opposite.Lets take Δόρυ first it is an Idioklito neutral since it ends at "υ" when we take its tones we have:το Δόρυ,του Δόρατος,τα Δόρατα,των Δόρατων,(ω)Δόρατα also we have many other words coming from the word Δόρυ as δορυφορος(he who bring the Δορυ)that is not possible with a non Greek word.
Another idiot video by an albanian OFC.Ok Albos explain me this: How can someone with the Greek alfabet steal from someone with latin alfabet and to make myself clear. Greek albabet is ofc older than latin and when Σάρισα created it got about 200 years till Latin come to Greece and not to talk about Δόρυ.So by this side you can understand we cant have stolen the name from you now lets take the Hellenic grammar language to pruve me right.
You are absolutely empty. What? Do you believe that the Illyrian language of 3000 years ago was written with the same latin alphabet which is used today in the Albanian language? Hahahahahahahahah. The old alphabet of illyrian was the hellenic one. Be careful: the hellenic, not the greek. Greeks are a bunch of orthodox turks, georgians, armenians and jews who stole the ancient letters of the people of Balkans and invented a liturgy language for their church
@sacrumillyricum YOU PIECE OF SHIT HELLENES LIVE AND YOU HAVE NOTHINK TO DO WITH THEM BEACAUSE YOU DID NOT EXISTED THAT TIME AND AT YOUR LAND LIVED HELLENES.
@AndreasDourin haaaaaa motherfucking gayreek. The only thing thas gayreek is gayness and pedophilia because everything else about your gay race is Illyrian. Albanian is the oldest language spoken in Europe! Fuck Greecce, All gayreek Gods were taught to the gays by the pelasgi, Gayreece has no culture. Fustanella Albanian, Polyphonic Music Albanina. haaa wheres your gay hellenic legacy now
@Deathtogreece2 Our Hellenic legacy is all around you idiot Mathematics,Astronomy,Psysics,Medicine,Architecture,Democracy,Diplomacy,Stategic,All those where forged in Hellas and they builded the world we live today your Albanian legacy show me where it is.IDIOT
@AndreasDourin Yeah Oldest language spoken in Europe = Albanian Oldest people Pelasgians, Greek Gods Pelasgians, haaaaaaaaaaaa wheres your hellenic legacy uh? Look up the origins of the Indo-European Languages and see where did gayreek come from
@Deathtogreece2 Pelasgians where lived in Pelagos(sea in Greek)they got renamed to Ιωνες(Ionian culture if you know)Their discentants where Spartans Makedonians Cretans and Ipirotes.The fact that south Albania has Ionian vilages does not make Albanians Ionians it makes Albania former land of Greeks stupit.That pruves also Arbanites are Greeks and not Albanians.I know m8 that all of you would like to be like us but get your oun history.Fyrom Wtb boy.
@Deathtogreece2 And if you say Albanians are pelasgians tell me why you changed language why you changed Alphabet?And how comes we talk almost the same and we write exacly the same as 5000 years ago(Pelasgian ages).Learn History and dont bite propaganda for breakfast.Not many months ago Albanians sayed they where discentans of Illyrians what you changed your mind now?
@Deathtogreece2 Are you Idiot?Ofc i know do you know?Hellen is a Greek name (Ελλενη)means the woman that conguers with beauty.Hellas is the name we like to call Ελλαδα Hellinas(Ελληνας)the word means People who are identical with each other.The truth is that our unchestors did not called themselfs Ελληνες but Πανέλληνες,Παν comes from Παντα means everythink so Πανέλληνες means "all Hellenes"later only Ελληνες left.But tell me what Albanian means does that name show anythink?
@Deathtogreece2 And about Hellenes Gods you talk about so arogant and you call them your Gods ZEYS IDIOT WAS BORN IN CRETA IN A CAVE NAMED "Δικταιο Ανδρο" and as Cretan myself i know very well the history of my village so sh the fuck up and dont mess with thinks your dont understand you fucking monkey.If in Albania you have your brains cooked by propaganta it is not our fault DONT BRAKE OUR BALLS AND GET YOUR OUN HISTORY I AM SURE YOUR UNCHESTORS WHERE GREAT GET THEIR HISTORY.
@AndreasDourin You are an igonorant greek who lacs common sense and refuses to accept the facts. The ancient Greeks were pelasgians the Helens were Danaioi(Argives) were named after their king Danaus who came from Egypt. Look up the origin of Zeus, Zeus is the Sun "Dill" which originated from Barbaric Tribes aka Pelasgians,
@Deathtogreece2 You're failing to make a point here. You also come from a people that according to modern science trace their roots in Africa just like everyone else in this planet. Would you call the English Egyptians then?
Even if you were to say that the Greeks originate from Africa, their legacy remains the same. The cradle of the Western civilization. Albanians remain what exactly? An old people in the Balcans that were slaves and mercenaries for Greece? Yeah i see ur point
@StormbringerRuler Yes you are correct about that greek Nobody has heard of Albania and very often our history and legacy of our people is denied thanx to the manipulations and propaganda of English and German scholars and Historians. But heres one key Fact that nobody can deny. Our language, Albanian, all historians agree to be the oldest language spoke in Europe Directly came from Pelasgian>Illyria(Classical Greek)>Albanian.
In the same way you claim that Greeks are a bunch of turks, armenians etc, Albanians are a bunch of.. wait.. not sure i can count em all.. Turks, Egyptians, Bulgarians, Serbians (add all e other slavic tribes here) etc etc. The question is do you have any reliable sources?
@StormbringerRuler he is right, Greeks Modern greeks are a mix of Albanians, Turks, Slavs and Semetic Africans (Egyptians) the Argives. Greece is the only country in Europe which doesnt claim any minorities where in fact 100% of its population is made of Minorities.
@Deathtogreece2 You should really come back with that topic when you have some stats. All i see is you claiming stuff when you're not even rlying to the fact that your own country is a mixture of slavic and turcic tribes also since the medieval times. ou're failing to make any point here, with just accusations.
@StormbringerRuler you cant argue sense with someone who is ignorant and delusional. Thats not simply true gayreek 97% of population is pure blood, yes there are few minorities such as Gayrace such as yourself (slaves of Alipasha) Slavs and Bullgars and few jews. But gayreece on the other hand is 100% minorities Albanians make more than 40% of your gay population, Arianitas, Suliotes etc
@Deathtogreece2 You keep mentioning the same stuff but you pride me with no actual proofs and statistics from reliable sources whatsover. Like i said before, i can easily claim i here that 100% of Albanians are a bastard mix of Slavs and Turks and have no connection to the Illyrians whatsoever. So there you go. Each one of us can keep claiming stuff. If you think we're not Greeks, go find e a research and proofs from reliable sources. Until then, stick to being quiet, kid
@StormbringerRuler you can claim all you want that doesnt make it true. but what I say is very true and can be verified very easy. You dont even speak Greek, Classical Greek is very different from Konine Greek which is a mixture of Hebrew, Armenic and Pellasgian. Greeks themselves estimate that over 3 million of greek population are Arianite or of arianite descent 30% of your population. See gayreek your goal is not the truth, is not knowledge or historical facts,
@Deathtogreece2 "you can claim all you want that doesnt make it true"
Exactly! But you are the one that's claiming stuff. Koine Greek is obviously Greek. It's just different as it would be expected after 2.500 years. And since you keep claiming bullshit abut Koine being a mixture of Armenian (LOL!) and Hebrew (LOL AGAIN), here is what actual historians say about Koine Greek..
@Deathtogreece2 The linguistic roots of the Common Greek dialect had been unclear since ancient times. During the Hellenistic age, most scholars thought of Koine as the result of the mixture of the four main Ancient Greek dialects. This view was supported in the early 20th century by Paul Kretschmer in his book "Die Entstehung der Koine", while Ulrich Wilamowitz and Antoine Meillet, based on the intense Ionic elements of the Koine considered Koine to be a simplified form of Ionic
@Deathtogreece2 [...The final answer which is academically accepted today was given by the Greek linguist G. N. Hatzidakis, who proved that the "stable nucleus" of Koine Greek is Attic. In other words, Koine Greek can be regarded as Attic with the admixture of elements especially from Ionic, but also from other dialects]
As you can see, Koine Greek is 100% Greek. I gave you my evidence. Now it's ur time. Lets see you posting your sources if you say that it can be verified easily
@StormbringerRuler thats what I said its a mixture of Classical Greek, Hebrew and Armenian so you will find elements of attic greek in modern greek language. The attic alphabet is not fully translated they only have partial translations. Classical Greek is a dialect of Pelasgian/Illyrian.
@Deathtogreece2 I find it totally amusing that you fail so much to find me ANY reliable sources supporting your claims. It seems that you're only talking out of your ass. I have repeated myself many times. Get me evidence or shut up.
And no, Koine Greek, as i posted in my link below, is 100% Greek. Did you see any "Armenian" or "Hebrew" being mentioned in my link? No. The scholars agree that it comes from a mixture of GREEK dialects so it's only Greek. I wonder why you keep embarassing yourself
@StormbringerRuler There is a fabrication here greek, there is a big lie which is being fed to the world. You are an Argive from Egypt the ones called Danas and you are mixed with Albanian/Slav/Turkish and Armenian. The ones history calls Ancient Greeks were Pelasgians, who worshiped Pelasgian gods like Zeus, The ones history calls Helene were Arigives from Egypt who conquered Pelasgians in the Islands of greece.
@sacrumillyricum Greeks stole the letters of other balkan people? Funny, i thought it was influenced by the Phoenician alphabet. Do you actually READ history or you just talk out of your ass?
I dont really care if you're a descendant of the Illyrians. Even if you are, the Illyrians were a big nothing back then. And well.. they still are. The greatest things the Illyrians have achieved is being the first to talk in a weird language, while Greece was excelling in sciences and arts
@StormbringerRuler Those Greeks you refer too were Pelasgians _Proto Illyrians who got conquered later on by the Hellens(Argives) your ancestors. Its not your fault greek this is the work of the Eurofags the fabrication of false Nation and stolen legacy and land of another Illyria/Albania. They key lies in our language nor you the Eurofags or the filthy slavs can manipulate that. Think what you like greek but the truth is the truth even if you like it or not.
@Deathtogreece2 Lol yes you're right. All of Europe is conspiring against Albania to hide it's glorious history right? Get out of here. :P
But you're not telling me.. what history is that? What did the illyrians do other than being conquered by the other states like the Macedonians? You say you had the oldest language. Even if that is true.. so what? So did the primitive races of men, 6000 years ago in the caves. Is that all the history you got? Pathetic..
ancient sources is the best evidence..Of course there were a mixture with Illyrians but this not means the the ancient Illyrians were the same people as Albanias. Fuckin bigoted vdeos like that who try to give a meaning to ancient Greeks words just only because some words are alike, its really ridiculous if we think that all ancient greek words had a meaning and did not need any similarity to create imaginary stories from people who want to serve benefits &have mysterious purposes. Yr pathetic
This happened because this region was closest to Italy and the powerfyll commander of illirikum could control them better. After many years, another writer, Ammianus Markellinus refers to them again in the region near Kaykasos, when the emperor Konstantios fight the Persians in the east front and Albans are allies with Persians. Even that time a number of this tribe lived there. At last, the tribe in Illyrikum became numerous and strong during the years and we have the state of Albania.
texts and extracts from the books of 3 great sources of the past, Pliny, Ptolemy, Strabon, and why not add Arrianos, speak about the tribe of Albans hundrends of years before Christ and situate them close to Armenia, somewhere in this region near Kaykasos.. Because this tribe triggered many problems to Romans, when the last defeated them, they moved a large population of Alban people in the Illyria region, in a big area with a capital city called Albanopolis (Albans city).
You say that you dont like ellas but you want our history our name our language, america sings at you and you dance her way, because of her money, you dont have the fuckingn balls to come straight and fight with us for what you want, and the truth is because you are a fucking zero 0... losers ELLAS FOR EVER , come fight you lesbians, like men against legens and of corse dont exept enything else exepts but death.
‘The Macedonian dialect indeed contained Illyrian words, words like sarissa, the name for a very long pike used by Macedonian soldiers; but these same soldiers could not understand the language of the dangerous neighbours from whom they had borrowed such words.’
Albanians ate centum too. 100 in Abanian is njeqint. All the world is laughing with you desperate efforts to deny the ancient presence of a large nation of the Balkans, in order of your exclusivity. While everybody knows that today's greeks have nothing to do with hellenes. They are a bunch of christian asiaminorians, georgians, armenians and jews who immigrated from Turkey, invented a liturgy language, and stole the hellenic letters to write it. The true hellenes are the ARVANITES
@sacrumillyricum only in Albania you say that The whole word Know that Albanians are Dacians and Satem and they have no Linguistic connection with Illyrian,
they get Latinised but their origianal language of AlboCense still exist in ALbanian Satem
Better erad Linguistis and not Nationalistic pappets,
@iapetoc6 Another nonsense. You say that Albanians were latinized. So, Albanians were there when Latins came in the Balkans. When latins came in the Balkans? And who were the nations living in the land where today live the Albanians when the romans came? THE ILLYRIANS. So, it's just mathematics: Albanians are the descendants of Illyrians. We don't know IF the illyrian language was centum or satem. It is believed it was centum. But there's no proof. But u can believe whatever u want
"The whole world" is not composed by a bunch of drunk greeks believen that even aliens speak a greek dialect and use the greek alphabet. I never said "arvanites are greeks". I spoke about "hellenes". Arvanites were, are and will forever be Albanians. This is a period when they are fooled by greek propaganda and religion who makes them believe that each othodox is a greek. But we are a thousands years old nation, and have patience. And it's good you too read some linguistics.
Today's Greek dress is an imitation of the Albanian one. Fustanella rings a bell? Greece dealt with books and civilizations. Illyrians were the barbarians. Aristotle tells us that Illyrians gave them the name Greek since they came from a certain region. Greie or some gay shit like that.
Dardania(Dardha/PEAR). KING of Dardania=Bardhyllis literally meaning WHITESTAR. FUCK IT GREEKS FAGS
@gator153 That shows how stupid you are..the word "Greek" comes from the ancient world -γραικός (grekos)this was the encient name for Hellas (Greece).... As said by Athanasios Diakos - "Εγώ Γραικός γεννήθηκα, Γραικός θε να πεθάνω" which means - "I was born grekos {Greek} , I want to die grekos {Greek}.
Albania now occupy's the area where Ἄπειρος Apeiros was at one point.
Therefore Alexander was Albanian!!! trololo!!
Thats like saying Im (As British) in fact Roman because the Romans was once here and we have dug up roman coins.
Fucking Dumbass logic, its almost as bad as the Vadarskans who think that by calling themselves Macedonian they suddenly have the History accompanied with that name(despite no evidence at all to back them up)
occupying the area helps our point, but u think all we have on ancient history is location? Who do you think we are, greeks? Seriously? How come names like Illyria, Amalthia, Hyllus, Scodra, Hades, Rhea, Dyrrachium, etc. only have true meaning in Albanian, not to mention the continuance of Illyrian tribes such as Molossoians and Dardanians? the term "dumbass logic" reflects your short-minded comment. Now humor me with how modern day sllavs of macedon are related to ancient?
@YllusMC Those names have meaning in greek, Classical Epirus was Blatantly Hellenic. What planet are you on? clearly not earth, and continuation of illyrian tribes in Epirus or not, you are Albanian and have fuck all to do with illyria, like I say you are just as laughable as the monkeydonians. I made no comment on how the Vadarskans were like the people of ancient Macedon, i said the opposite and made a comparison to your silly revisionist history. Shqiptars have fuck all to do with iIlyria,
first of all, for your racist words of "monkey" name calling people you dont deserve a reply. Second, you clearly are a one sided, you wont even see, let alone except what Albanians have to do with Illyrians. It is clear that you have a "its all greek" point of view, and if proof smacked you silly, you will still deny it! You know nothing of my history, but I know all about yours. Before you comment on something you clearly know nothing about, start by respecting others.
@YllusMC what proof? Those names you spoke of have meanings in lots of languages mainly greek. Honestly you are no better than the monkeydonians (i use that term, or terms like Skopian, to distinguish the nationalist pseudo Macedonian minority in FYR with the majority of people there who just wanna get on with life) as for knowing "nothing about" this is the subject that i study at a top end university free from Bias, its not my fault you have nothing to back your claims with.
@YllusMC all you are saying is that you claim that some illyrian words have only meaning in your language (which isnt correct anyway) and that albania is where illyria/ epirus once was, which when you combine those arguments proves nothing, in fact the same logic could be applied to the romans that were once there, or here in britian, Rome was once here and many words associated with rome have meanings in English, does that mean we are the sons of ceaser?
@YllusMC and 4th now the "common word argument" is dead, what do you have in common with the Epiriots or illyrians other than the area where they once were? Oh that's right, nothing. The Serbians occupy more of the area of illyria than you are they illyrian then? And this is all forgetting of course that the Greek people have been in Epirus since its conception, much like Macedon. Illyria is not claimed by them however, and only by you. So then, are the Turks ethnic Thracians? Of course not.
Let me try to respectfully disagree and reply to all that. I've already heard everything you say. I know all about ancient history, and I know a lot about my language and culture. (1)Ill show you what I believe! If Albanians are Illyrian, and Ilylrians are Pelasgian, the original inhabitants of hellens, any language connection Albanians today have should be considered just as much as yours would. If you agree, I will show you HOW Albanians=Illyrian=Pelasgian, then...
you are going around in circles, youre throwing tangents to our arguments. Do u know how to stay on target, or is your argument as off as the stereotypes about u, fucking the wrong gender? Dont say what the ancient people were, didnt I just say I know all about ancient greeks? Again, I am arguing modern CONNECTIONS with ancient peoples. Im showing how Albanians are Illyrian. You are talking ancient history, what about you? Who the fuck are you? How is your culture ancient?
@YllusMC no, you are, this video is trying to make out that Albania has something to do with Ancient Hellenic Kingdoms, via a few words translated from ENGLISH to Albanian which then are said t have a meaning in Albanian that is more accurate than any other language (ignoring Greek), all the while ignoring the fact that thats not a very strong argument anyway and the fact that you lack evidence to link you to Antiquity more that the Fake Macedonians!
before I show you how Albanians are ancient Illyrians and have connection with ancient hellens, you must first justify your words. Explain to me Albania and caucaus connection, then we can talk. If you cant, then you reveal you are a liar, and not worthy of my time. If you are lying about obvious things, including the arvanite, that tells me you are lying to cover up something! You are so scared of an honest challenge with Albanians, that you have to make things up!
@YllusMC just Google "Caucasian Albania" its all there Ultimately its this video and other like it which make a claim on the history of Epirus or Macedon and then do not substantiate it with very much at all, all the while ignoring the vast Archaeological and historical evidence to show that they are both Hellenic Kingdoms like they always have been associated with right up until recently with the Fake Macedonian bizarre revisionist take on history supported by nothing, please dont be like them!
I have googled caucasian Albania, did you read what I said? I told you I have been looking for connections, but I cant find any! They are two different things. All you said is "google" it, then you went on to talk about this video. I asked for proof, I have searched the internet. There is nothing there to connect my Albania with caucaus one. What connections do you see that Im not?
@YllusMC ok then ignore what I said deal with the claims made by this video irrespective of claims on Illyria, you cannot claim the history of Macedon Or Epirus, that is already claimed by the people who have lived there since antiquity the people who are ethnically, linguistically and culturally decedent from them since the conception of the two kingdoms, the Greeks. No Albanian language or culture or anything found in Pella! No Albanian in Epirus! Only Greek found there, no gjuha shqipe. ;)
no fucker, I just TOLD YOU! I will talk about this video, Im not ignoring it, I will prove all that I said I would, FIRST you prove your claim of Albania and caucaus Albania connection! Why are you dodging this point? You made the claim! If you guys are going to lie about something so obvious, how can we believe you on anything serious? youre just helping my confidence fool!!
@YllusMC mate, up until very recently the status quo of Hellenic history is what it always has been, Macedon belongs to the Greek's they are the people who have lived there since antiquity the people who are ethnically, linguistically and culturally decedent from them and have lived their continuously since its formation. Only recently has the revisionist Skopians and people like you tried to claim that history and until you substantiate that claim there is no need to take you seriously.
you cannot cover shit with piss, you made a claim earlier that Albania is from caucaus, and you cant back it up! I have asked you at LEAST 4 times to prove this one simple point that you made, and you still keep dancing around the subject. u know why? cus youre a fucking liar! Now go to greece, imitate my culture, and learn Albanian so you can properly sing Arvanite songs, the true native and fucking Ancient culture!
@YllusMC This is not about illyria, this is about Macedon, a different thing.
up until very recently history is what it always has been, Macedon belongs to the Greek's they are the people who have lived there since antiquity the people who are ethnically, linguistically and culturally decedent from them and have lived there continuously since its birth. Only recently has Skopjians tried to claim that history and until you substantiate that claim there is no need to take you seriously.
@YllusMC as for the Arvanites in Greece they are descendant of Albanian Migrations during the Middle Ages not, an "Ancient Culture". As for now the Arvanites make up 1.8% of the population of Greece, so not only are they not ancient, they are small in number and don't IN GENERAL like to be associated with Albania.
Now, back to the claims of this Video, substantiate your claims on Macedon, and if you can't, just like the Fyromians, you can fuck off.
@YllusMC You have made fallacious reasoning, you have jumped from Albanian to the Albanians are Illyrians, depite the evidence showing that the Albainians came from the caucassian mountains (just google Caucasian Albania) like i said with the Turk analogy (as they too migrated to the area they now are, its like calling the Turks ethnic Anatolians.) show how you can jump from Illyrian to Epiriot and both to Albanian.
(2)how my language gives better meaning to ancient words than yours. It is a FACT that Albanian language hasnt changed much through history. I dont mind showing you how very european, old, and primitive it is. (3) Everything you guys have say is full of holes. Lets take the Arvanites, why are so many Greeks denying their Albanian blood? This raises questions and makes us not believe anything you say. Do I need to waste my time to prove to you how much Albanian they are?
@YllusMC as for your language it is a slow evolution from borrowed latin, doric greek, 2nd century BC 5th AD, southern Slavic, etc etc etc, by the time your language is formed it is way beyond the time of Epirus as is distinct by the 14th century AD. The Greek words from Macedon funnily enough on this video have the BEST meaning in their own language- Northeastern Greek. The thing is, even if you have something to do with Illyria, you have fuck all to do with Macedon or Epirus.
I think I saw a spark, "even if you have something to do with Illyria" were your words! You are in denial buddy! I have been looking for years for the caucausian Albania and Albania in Europe, please would you show me the links that show how we migrated here? I cant seem to find ANYTHING but the name Albania, which is also the other name of Scotland, and even Albion, the other name of England is similar. Do you think Albanians are a mix of Scottish and caucasians? humor me
I mean the Molossi, the Athamanes, the Aethices, the Tymphaei, the Orestae, and also the Paroraei and the Atintanes, some of them being nearer to the Macedonians and others to the Ionian Gulf.
It is said that Orestes once took possession of Orestias when is, exile on account of the murder of his mother and left the country bearing his name; and that he also founded a city and called it Argos Oresticum.
What language the Pelasgians spoke I cannot say definitely. But if one may judge by those that still remain of the Pelasgians who live above the Tyrrheni1 in the city of Creston—who were once neighbors of the people now called Dorians, and at that time inhabited the country which now is called Thessalian and of the Pelasgians who inhabited Placia and Scylace on the Hellespont, who came to live among the Athenians, and by other towns too which were once Pelasgian
...and afterwards took a different name: if, as I said, one may judge by these, the Pelasgians spoke a language which was not Greek.If, then, all the Pelasgian stock spoke so, then the Attic nation, being of Pelasgian blood, must have changed its language too at the time when it became part of the Hellenes.
.........For the people of Creston and Placia have a language of their own in common, which is not the language of their neighbors; and it is plain that they still preserve the manner of speech which they brought with them in their migration into the places where they live.
@Axeldevil dakort.di greqisht por ne redh te pare keto qe shkruan i kam lexuar dhe nuk kuptoj ku kundervihen me cka shkruajta me poshte(nje mini refim i prehistorise dhe historise se hershme te greqise)?historiografia grehe nuk trajton greket si te mbire nga toka(autokton).nuk eshte si historiografia shqiptare qe me naivitet trajton shqiptaret si qenie jashtetoksore(a nuk di cfar)ku nuk ndryshon asgje,sikur pellazget nderuan kapele dhe u bene ilir pastaj shqiptar.sikur shqiptaret ishi te izoluar
@Axeldevil po flasim or mik per periudha te neolitit dhe me heret.2000 vjet para krishtit dhe me heret deri ne luften e trojes(perafersisht sh 13 p.k)madje kemi isiodin qe kufizon kete mishmash deri 80 vjet pas luftes se trojes me dyndjen e fundit qe ishin doret.nje komb nuk eshte dicka pa jet ,male apo fusha.ka nje dat(periudhe)lindjeje dhe ne shume raste dhe vdekjeje.
Selloi atehere ishin nje fis prifterinjsh ... ne orrakullin e Dodones Pellasgjike(qe Sipas Herodotit nuk flisnin greqish)..........
Pra nje fis prifterinjsh nuk perfshin te gjith Epirin.... sepse me vone ne luften e Peloponezit..... te tre fiset Epirote.. permenden si fise Barbare (Πας μη Έλλην, Βάρβαρος).......
@Axeldevil μα τι εστι βαπβαροσ και τι ελλην!kjo eshte qe nuk kupton.mendova se me kuptove me gjithe ato qe u mundova te te shkruaj.fjala barbar nuk do te thote vetem i huaj ne gjuhe apo ne gjak apo ne zakone por dhe ne organizimin shoqeror.duhet te kuptosh se herodoti konsideron greke te hershem pikerisht kater nga fiset me origjine pellazge :akejte,doret,ionet dhe eolet dhe barbare gjithe pellazget e tjere dhe fiset e tjera.ne luften e peloponezit nje pjes e epiroteve ishin aleate te...
@MrTheKanenas ...aleate te spartes si dore qe ishin.prandaj athinasit si ione dhe me te kulturuar i quanin barbare me percmim.mos u mundo te interpretosh gjithcka ne menyre te thjeshtezuar dhe naive.ne periudha te tjera,per shembull ne luften me mbretereshen teuta(ilire kjo, shenoj) epirotet kerkuan ndihme nga athinasit dhe greket e magna grecia.
@Axeldevil jam i sigurt se flet mire dhe anglisht por nuk e perkthen mire,ndoshta nga nxitimi.thukididi nuk i quan fare barbare megjithese nuk do ishte aspak e cuditshme(i pershkruan si te tille me percmim).akoma dhe ai nga ke mar fragmentin e shenon - Thucydides, however, does not call them Barbaroi.-sa per fjalen barbar ,etimologjia nuk eshte e sigurt por hipoteza e vetme ka te bej me gjuhe.akoma dhe sot ne greqi si dhe ne shqiperine e jugut kur duam te percmojme dike qe jlet ....
Thukidhidhi Fiset "Etoliane" (Apodhoti,Ofianenses,Evritanes) nuk i Quan Barbare... megjithese keta te fundit kishin dialekt te veshtire per ta kuptuar edhe hanin mish te gjall.... pra keta konsiderohen si Helen nga Thukidhidhi....... Nga ana tjeter Fiset Epirote(Molloset,Thesprotet dhe Kaonet) quhen fise Barbare nga i njejti megjithese ishin me larte ne civilizim nga Etolet...
@Axeldevil jam i sigurt se cfar lexoj ne anglisht,megjithate nuk ka rendesi.te me falesh po duhet ta mbyll.ishte vertet interesante dhe e cuditshme per mua biseda(veshtiresohem me kompiuterin).diten e mire dhe pac fat.
@MrTheKanenas ...shpejte,apo percart,apo ne menyre te pakuptueshme dhe na lodh biseda me te bejme nje tingull te ngjashem berber ose burbur(me perseritje).kjo nuk ka shume rendesi sesa menyra qe e perdornin greket e lashte.ne kete tekst epirotet percmohen si te eger ne gjuhe dhe ne menyren qe hane.ne nje tekst p.sh. herodoti(ne istorika) thote per vet helenet ne pergjithesi se tashme jane bere barbare sepse mbrtin me vete kudo arme
Puna eshte qe une po te shkruaj citime nga periudha klasike .... ate cka kane shkruar vete autoret e lashte ... pa hequr as edhe nje presje.... pra nuk po hedh se cfare mendoj une... Secili nxjerr konkluzionet e tija .... sepse Herodoti ka thene...
Το Ελληνικόν, εόν όμαιμόν τε και ομόγλωσσον, και θεών ιδρύματά τε κοινά και θυσίαι ήθεά τε ομότροπα.
@Axeldevil shume dakort.herodoti me nje fjali shkruajti cka mundohesha te shkruaja une gjith mundim ne kete djall kompiuter qe smund ta bej zap.ne se di greqishten e re me thuaj nje fjale nga origjinali(herodoti)qe nuk eshte dhe ne greqishten e sotme.
qe te jesh Grek duhet te jesh te gjitha ato qe permend Herodoti... te jesh grekofon nuk do te thote me doemos te jesh grek... Sepse atehere edhe Arvanitet,Vllehet,Pondsat..... sipas pikveshtrimit tend jane grek... Mos Harro se si e kane huazuar kete te fundit gjuhen...
@Axeldevil e ke fjalen per όμαιμόν ?vertet mendon se ekzitoi,akziston apo do ezistoje ndonjehere ne cdo komb te botes όμαιμόν ?vertet beson dicka te tille?
The Apodoti (Apodotoi, Thuc. iii. 94; Apodotoi, Pol. xvii. 5) inhabited the mountains above Naupactus, on the borders of Locris. They are said by Polybius not to have been Hellenes. (Comp. Liv. xxxii. 34.)
North of these dwelt the Ophionenses or Ophienses (Ophioneis, Thuc. l. c.; Ophieis, Strab. pp. 451,465), and to them belonged the smaller tribes of the Bomienses
@Axeldevil vazhdon te besosh se ke gjetur holy grail(ARBERIAONLINE)dhe nuk mund te lexosh cfar shkruaj(dicka te tille do ta konsideroja,sinqerisht,nder).fillimisht po te jap disa burime,ne origjinal,(mund te kerkosh ne internet, jam i sigurt se dicka duhet te kete):Παριο (Χρονικο) , Ηροδοτος (Α, 2 και Α 57- 58), Εκαταιος Μιλησιος (Στραβων 7, 321), Θουκυδιδης (Α, 3 -9), Πλατων (Μενεξενος), Παυσανιας (Βοιωτικα 5, 1 – 10), Διοδωρος (βιβλιο Μ, 3), Απολοδωρος ( βιβλιοθηκη Ιστορικη).vazhdon
@MrTheKanenas ne keto burime nder te tjerave dhe fragmenti nga strabon qe gjete ne ARBERIAONLINE(a dicka te ngjashme)pervec se shkruhet pak a shume se para luftes se trojes ne greqi jetonin vetem barbare.por dhe keta barbare ishin te ardhur "επηλυδες"-emigrante sic i quan herodoti.flasim per gjysmen e hershme te mijvjecarit te dyte p.k(neoliti dhe me heret).ne kete periudhe nuk ekzistojne greke,epirote illire,maqedon,spartane,ione,athinas etj(qe te te jap nje ide).po nga dolen greket?vazhdon
@MrTheKanenas ne se i besojme shkrimtareve grek te periudhes klasike(jane dhe me te besueshmit per shkak te aferise se tyre kohore ne krahasim me periudhat me te voneshme-kjo per cka shkruan ti)mund te rezultojme pa shume siguri ne dy hipoteza(per mendimin tim njera nuk perjashton tjetren):1-platon(me fjalet e sokratit) si dhe thuqidhidhi(keshtu shqiptohet ne greqisht-fjale unike "shqiptoj" apropo.si mund te shqiptosh anglisht p.sh.?e ke menduar pse) ishte mbreti kretas minoas ai qe ..vazhdon
@MrTheKanenas ...bashkoi keta barbare(shkrimtaret e lashte i quajn barbare sepse nuk jane akoma helene) duke krijuar spermat e para te"polis"d.m.th.ligjet,organizimin ushtarak dhe kulturen bujqesore(deri atehere ishin nomad dhe blegtore).keshtu u krijuan qytetet e para dhe fortifikimet e para.platon thote se minoas deboi perfundimisht piratet finikas dhe siguroi rruget tregtare por kjo nuk mund te jete krejt bindese.vazhdon
@MrTheKanenas 2-herodoti si dhe shumica e klasikeve shkruan se banoret e pare te greqise ishin fiset pellazge(kryesisht),fise trake qe zbriten ne peloponez,pelopet te ardhur nga bregdeti i azise se vogel(frigjia),danajet nga egjypti por me origjine nga kaspia.keto te dhena koincidojne dhe me emertimet qe jep homeri per greket e periudhes mitike(sh 13 p.k).herodoti thote se helenet e pare ishin akejte,doret,eolet dhe ionet(kater nga fiset me te fuqishme me origjin pellazge)sepse ishin ...vazhdon
@MrTheKanenas .....te paret qe krijuan qytete ne greqine kontinentale(ne krete ekzistonin)dhe me pas politia d.m.th.u organizuan ne shtete.nje shenim i rendesishem ketu-nuk ekziston emer i perbashket per keto fise dhe gjithashtu shpesh luftonin midis tyre(sic ndodhi ne gjithe historine e greqise).ekzistonte nje fis helen ne greqine qendrore dhe greket e epirit por asgje e perbashket.per sa i perket problemit tone,doret jane paraardhesit e epiroteve,maqedoneve,spartaneve,nje pjese te kretes..
@MrTheKanenas ....(keta te fundit permenden me heret se te tjeret nga homeri) dhe me pak ne rajone te tjera.iliret ishin gjithmone barbare dhe nuk kishin asnje lidhje me doret.megjithate kane nje lidhje mitike me greket,pasi biri i danait(erdhi nga egjypti por me origjin nga kaspia,ndoshta thjesht ishte finikas)kadmos u debua me dhune nga froni dhe shkoine nje vend verior ku gruan e tij armonine linden illirin gjenarkun e ilireve.se fundi pas luftes se trojes fillojne te permenden .....
@MrTheKanenas ..emertime te perbashketa pervec "akej","danaj" dhe"pellazge" nga homeri dhe helene,greke,evropiane(greket konsiderojne edhe sot shenje bukurie syte e medhenj,cka do te thote dhe kjo fjale e mrekullueshme me nje histori akoma me interesante).me pas u bashkuan dhe u asimiluan dhe fise te tjera kryesisht pellazge dhe trake duke krijuar nje kompleks shtetesh dhe fisnish qe pretendonin secila se ishin me greke se te tjeret(sic ndodh dhe sot)dhe se te tjeret jane barbare....vazhd
@MrTheKanenas emra te perbashketa,jovetem "akej","danaj","pellazge"qe permend homeri(sh.6-7 p.k)por dhe "helene","greke","evropiane"(greket,akoma dhe sot konsiderojne shenje bukurie syte e medhenj,cka do te thote dhe kjo fjale e mrekullueshme me nje histori interesante).te huajt i emeruan me emrin e fisit apo gjinise qe kishin me prane.keshtu etrusket,latinet dhe ne pergjithesi perendimi i quajti greke nga epirotet.kurse perset,kombet simite ne pergjithesi,indianet madje dhe kinezet i quajten ..
@MrTheKanenas .....nga ionet e azise se vogel:yunan,junan,wanan.se fundi or mik,per mua keto qe te shkruajta jane thjesht teorira.e di si e zbulova une te verteten?10 vjec(nuk genjej,te betohem)fillova te lexoj ne shqip te perkthyer iliaden.prkthimi ishte ne gegerisht dhe perkthyesi nje shkodran(emrin nuk e kujtoj dhe me vjen vertet keq,nuk e kam me librin fatkeqesisht).veshtiresohesha shum me dialektin por kjo perralle ishte shume terheqese.kuptohet qe nuk e lexova te tere sepse pash filmin..
@MrTheKanenas "helena e trojes" dhe duhej te luaja me shpata.keto kujtoja kur 5-6 vjet me pas si per mrekulli babai me solli nje"odise" te zhubravitur dhe gjithe shenime neper faqe.terhoqa kapakun qe ishte i keputur dhe lexova:"Ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, Μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
@MrTheKanenas pervec fjales πτολίεθρον kuptoja te gjitha fjalet(edhe kete fjale,pasi ma shpjeguan me ishte e qarte).ne fillim kuptoja fjalet por jo gjith kontekstin.duke e rilexuar disa here me ishte krejt e qarte.fakti se mund te kuptoja pa ndonje shkollim fjalet e homerit ishte nje shok dhe nje zbulim i perbindshem.a me kupton se cdua te them.eshte tjeter gje te kesh nje kontakt teorik me dicka dhe tjeter te te flasi dikush me nje gjuhe 3000 vjecare dhe ti jo thjesht ta kuptosh....
@Axeldevil te duket e cuditshme?ja pse nuk mund te me kuptosh.nuk pretendoj te kuptoj tekste te veshtira si lisian apo shkrimtaret e aleksandris,por platon me siguri.duhet ta dish se greqishtja e sotme nuk eshte shum e ndryshme nga ajo e lashte.madje as nga teksti me i lashte ,iliada dhe odiseja.nuk eshte si latinishtja me italishten apo frengjishten.lete bejme nje test.ti di pak greqisht?
@MrTheKanenas po te kesh iluzionin se te flet gjyshi.e kupton se cila eshte e verteta ime or mik?e kupton pse gjith kjo bisede mua me duket absurde?e kupton se atdheu,per nje grek,mbi te gjitha,eshte gjuha greke qe mbart kulturen e kombit tim qe nga fillimi i historise deri me sot.e kupton se greqia nuk jane malet dhe gerxhet,por kultura greke.si mund te jene shqiptare epirotet kur quhen epirote?si mund te jete shqiptar aleksandri kur quhet aleksander?naten e mire dhe pac fat.
What is this Greece, pray, from which ye bid me depart? How do you define it? Why, most of the Aetolians themselves are not Greeks; for neither the Agrai, nor the Apodoti, nor the Amphilochi are counted as Greek. Do you then give up those tribes to me?"
@Axeldevil Ουδείς λόγος περί του αντιθέτου .Μακάριοι οι φτωχοί τα ο πνέβματη.Nuk kam ndonje problem me dike qe kerkon ne internet per te gjetur dicka qe i intereson.akoma dhe ne blogs me permbajtje nacionaliste.akoma,akoma dhe ne blogs si ai ARBERIAONLINE ku "vertetohet" ne menyren me kategorike se aleksandri i madh ishte nga mirdita,por kam problem kur dikush nuk interesohet te kuptoje dhe te vleresoje ato cka lexon.aq me keq kur nuk i intereson as ti kontrolloje sa kredibilitet kane.vazhdon
@MrTheKanenas nuk ka rendesi.nuk pretendoj te kesh lexuar halkokondilin.as une e kam lexuar.por di kush ishte dhe per cfare periudhash ka shkruar ne kodet e tij.fragmenti i shkeputur i referohet dekades se dyte pas renies se konstandinopojes kur kishte mbetur vetem peloponezi jasht pushtimit turk(edhe ai,me perjashtim te Mistas ishte nen pushtimin venecian).nuk ka asgje te cuditeshme ne te.per xalkokondilin,shqiptaret e asaj kohe,ishin vellezer ne besim.vazhdon
@MrTheKanenas duhet te dish se arbereshet(nuk kishte shqiptare atehere?vertet si dhe kur u krijua termi shqiptar?vertet nuk e di.)apo ne greqisht arvanitet kishin emigruar qe ne sh.13 ne gjithe greqine dhe me tej.gjitheashtu dhe ne maqedoni.pa dyshim ty te pelqeu(ne se ke kuptuar dinakerine e bloguesit):"Μακεδονικόν γένος".cfar kuptonte xalkokondilis me kete,vetem ai e di.shume bukur kete fragment mund ta perdorin dhe bullgaromaqedonasit per te vertetuar se shqiptaret jane bullgaromaqedonas.vazh
@MrTheKanenas sic te shkruajta dhe rradhen e kaluar,pikerisht ky eshte nacionalizmi.percmon historine"zyrtare"sepse e kane "sajuar"armiqte dhe tradhetaret e kombit,dhe kane "fshehur" historine e "vertete" te cilen mundohen ta zbulojne kerkues te vertete(packa se mund te jene dhe polica,mos te them ndonje profesion me te erret).kjo ndodh dhe ne greqi dhe kudo.greket duan skenderbeun grek,turqit homerin,bullgaret cirilin dhe metodin,bullgaromaqedonet aleksandrin,kroatet konstandinin e madh,...vazh
@MrTheKanenas po shqiptaret?A,ketu gjerat egersohen.nacionalistet shqiptar duan gjithcka:aleksandrin,aristotelin,eskilin(ishte madje cam),akilin(patjeter,si mund te shpetonte i mjeri),dhe lista nuk ka fund.vitet e fundit duan dhe gjithe greket,pa perjashtim(te vjetrit,te rinjte i urrejne).si mund te flasesh logjikisht atehere?ku fillon besimi i mire per njohuri dhe ku mbaron ethja e ulet nacionaliste?haro mua,nje minoritar grek qe mund te jem dhe une nacionalist,po nje i trete(gjerman,kinez).vaz
@MrTheKanenas nje i trete si mund ta konsideroje serioze kete mani?kam frike se do vi nje dite kur ne sheshin skenderbe apo ne stadiumin qemal stafa do organizohen veprimtari me karakter "historik",teatral me veshje te lashtesise,me parakalime qesharake dhe "beteja" me shpata si femij te vegjel.keto budallalleqe beheshin ne diktaturen e koloneleve ne greqi,behen tani ne shkup,behen ne turqi.nuk dua te jetoj nje dite te tille!jo!ja pse shkruaj ketu si budallai.naten e mire dhe pac fat.
dhe ty shqipe siq te thash me heret......lere ket Wikipedia, se ter informacionet me duket se i morre aty.....ajo nuk kredibilitet sepse kush don mund te shkon dhe te ben edit ter teksteve...per ata nuk lejohet ne spjegime historike/skolare....
Per Arvanitet vetem nje send.....siq i thojn arbresh ne italy, Arnaut ne Turqi...Greket i kan than Arvanite....te era jan emra te huja per te than shqiptaret...sikur na thojn Amerikanet Albanian jo Shqiptar...
@Bardh87 mundohem te te shpiegoj nje tekst qe jam i sigurt se e kupton(ne anglisht)por e paraqet per te vertetuar nje kuptim krejt te ndryshem.pjesa qe te perktheva nga origjinali dhe qe nuk ndryshon shume nga perkthimi ne anglisht(megjithe se eshte nje pershtatje)thjesht tregon se tjeter gje ishin iliret dhe tjeter gje ishin epirotet.mos u mundo te keqinterpretosh fragmente te shkeputura nga strabon,herodoti etj.
@nobody6893 po te jap nje shembull me te qarte nga letrat greke te periudhes klasike(me te hershem se Strabon)Ja origjinali--.... ἀλλ' ὥσπερ ὁ καλούμενος ἐπὶ Δευ-
"The satem languages (which have the sibilant where the centum equivalents have the velar) include Indo-Iranian, Armenian, Baltic, Slavic, Albanian, and perhaps also a number of barely documented extinct languages, such as Thracian-Dacian."
"The centum group includes all remaining dialects, i.e. Italic, Celtic, Germanic, Hellenic, Tocharian, Anatolian and possibly a number of lesser-known extinct groups"
As you can see, proto-Greek was rather different than Illyric or Armenian or Slavic. :)
StormbringerRuler 3 days ago
"Greek is a Centum language, which would place a possible Graeco-Aryan protolanguage before Satemization, making it identical to late PIE. Proto-Greek does appear to have been affected by the trend of palatalization characteristic of the Satem group, evidenced for example by the (post-Mycenaean) change of labiovelars into dentals before e but the Satemizing influence appears to have reached Greek only after Greek had lost the palatovelars (i.e. after it had already become a Centum language)"
StormbringerRuler 3 days ago
PIPA FOR ALL GAYGREEKS
Deathtogreece2 1 week ago
Albanians are Albanians come from the Illyrian race and nothing more u say Greeks or what ever Long live Albania so our neighbors!
Cadmentwon 2 months ago
Bullshit
just finf in your lexikon the word Αρις
iapetoc6 2 months ago
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Why you block me, have you fear from me ??? Im not god , God is evryvere and he see evrithing and maybe all racisam from the peoples
.GOD SEE YOU
There will come a day, you'll have shade in front of your own anxiety and fear you very much
Viva la MAKEDONIA 4 all MAKEDONIANS but never 4 Greeks
Devoj4E 2 months ago
You see the Greek language is a living organism and it has it's defence tools to protect it's chells also history wise your Video is false so go try take some Fyromian words there you will find many albo i am sure
AndreasDourin 2 months ago
More logical to me is that your unchestors heard our warriors talking about the Δορυ and your unchestors thought they meant their hands and they took the Greek word to name their hands now lets take Σαρισα We have Η Σαρισα της Σαρισας τις Σαρισες των Σαρισών (Ω) Σαρισες.Words coming from there are Σαρώνω(destroy to my way)and the word Σαρισα itself come from the Dorean Σαρ=Destroy on modern Greek we call Σαρακα the handtool witch we cut wood.Σαρακι(canker)and more.
AndreasDourin 2 months ago
If you clame we got those words from you(think that we see in mordern languages ofc)then those words cant have Grammar on them and thei should be the same at all times but what we see is the opposite.Lets take Δόρυ first it is an Idioklito neutral since it ends at "υ" when we take its tones we have:το Δόρυ,του Δόρατος,τα Δόρατα,των Δόρατων,(ω)Δόρατα also we have many other words coming from the word Δόρυ as δορυφορος(he who bring the Δορυ)that is not possible with a non Greek word.
AndreasDourin 2 months ago
Another idiot video by an albanian OFC.Ok Albos explain me this: How can someone with the Greek alfabet steal from someone with latin alfabet and to make myself clear. Greek albabet is ofc older than latin and when Σάρισα created it got about 200 years till Latin come to Greece and not to talk about Δόρυ.So by this side you can understand we cant have stolen the name from you now lets take the Hellenic grammar language to pruve me right.
AndreasDourin 2 months ago
@AndreasDourin
You are absolutely empty. What? Do you believe that the Illyrian language of 3000 years ago was written with the same latin alphabet which is used today in the Albanian language? Hahahahahahahahah. The old alphabet of illyrian was the hellenic one. Be careful: the hellenic, not the greek. Greeks are a bunch of orthodox turks, georgians, armenians and jews who stole the ancient letters of the people of Balkans and invented a liturgy language for their church
sacrumillyricum 2 months ago
@sacrumillyricum YOU PIECE OF SHIT HELLENES LIVE AND YOU HAVE NOTHINK TO DO WITH THEM BEACAUSE YOU DID NOT EXISTED THAT TIME AND AT YOUR LAND LIVED HELLENES.
AndreasDourin 2 months ago
@AndreasDourin haaaaaa motherfucking gayreek. The only thing thas gayreek is gayness and pedophilia because everything else about your gay race is Illyrian. Albanian is the oldest language spoken in Europe! Fuck Greecce, All gayreek Gods were taught to the gays by the pelasgi, Gayreece has no culture. Fustanella Albanian, Polyphonic Music Albanina. haaa wheres your gay hellenic legacy now
Deathtogreece2 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@Deathtogreece2 Our Hellenic legacy is all around you idiot Mathematics,Astronomy,Psysics,Medicine,Architecture,Democracy,Diplomacy,Stategic,All those where forged in Hellas and they builded the world we live today your Albanian legacy show me where it is.IDIOT
AndreasDourin 2 months ago
@AndreasDourin Yeah Oldest language spoken in Europe = Albanian Oldest people Pelasgians, Greek Gods Pelasgians, haaaaaaaaaaaa wheres your hellenic legacy uh? Look up the origins of the Indo-European Languages and see where did gayreek come from
Deathtogreece2 1 month ago
@Deathtogreece2 Pelasgians where lived in Pelagos(sea in Greek)they got renamed to Ιωνες(Ionian culture if you know)Their discentants where Spartans Makedonians Cretans and Ipirotes.The fact that south Albania has Ionian vilages does not make Albanians Ionians it makes Albania former land of Greeks stupit.That pruves also Arbanites are Greeks and not Albanians.I know m8 that all of you would like to be like us but get your oun history.Fyrom Wtb boy.
AndreasDourin 1 month ago
@Deathtogreece2 And if you say Albanians are pelasgians tell me why you changed language why you changed Alphabet?And how comes we talk almost the same and we write exacly the same as 5000 years ago(Pelasgian ages).Learn History and dont bite propaganda for breakfast.Not many months ago Albanians sayed they where discentans of Illyrians what you changed your mind now?
AndreasDourin 1 month ago
@AndreasDourin do you even know what Hellen means?
Deathtogreece2 1 month ago
@Deathtogreece2 Are you Idiot?Ofc i know do you know?Hellen is a Greek name (Ελλενη)means the woman that conguers with beauty.Hellas is the name we like to call Ελλαδα Hellinas(Ελληνας)the word means People who are identical with each other.The truth is that our unchestors did not called themselfs Ελληνες but Πανέλληνες,Παν comes from Παντα means everythink so Πανέλληνες means "all Hellenes"later only Ελληνες left.But tell me what Albanian means does that name show anythink?
AndreasDourin 1 month ago
@Deathtogreece2 And about Hellenes Gods you talk about so arogant and you call them your Gods ZEYS IDIOT WAS BORN IN CRETA IN A CAVE NAMED "Δικταιο Ανδρο" and as Cretan myself i know very well the history of my village so sh the fuck up and dont mess with thinks your dont understand you fucking monkey.If in Albania you have your brains cooked by propaganta it is not our fault DONT BRAKE OUR BALLS AND GET YOUR OUN HISTORY I AM SURE YOUR UNCHESTORS WHERE GREAT GET THEIR HISTORY.
AndreasDourin 1 month ago
@AndreasDourin You are an igonorant greek who lacs common sense and refuses to accept the facts. The ancient Greeks were pelasgians the Helens were Danaioi(Argives) were named after their king Danaus who came from Egypt. Look up the origin of Zeus, Zeus is the Sun "Dill" which originated from Barbaric Tribes aka Pelasgians,
Deathtogreece2 1 month ago
@Deathtogreece2 You're failing to make a point here. You also come from a people that according to modern science trace their roots in Africa just like everyone else in this planet. Would you call the English Egyptians then?
Even if you were to say that the Greeks originate from Africa, their legacy remains the same. The cradle of the Western civilization. Albanians remain what exactly? An old people in the Balcans that were slaves and mercenaries for Greece? Yeah i see ur point
StormbringerRuler 3 weeks ago
@StormbringerRuler Yes you are correct about that greek Nobody has heard of Albania and very often our history and legacy of our people is denied thanx to the manipulations and propaganda of English and German scholars and Historians. But heres one key Fact that nobody can deny. Our language, Albanian, all historians agree to be the oldest language spoke in Europe Directly came from Pelasgian>Illyria(Classical Greek)>Albanian.
Deathtogreece2 2 weeks ago
@sacrumillyricum Your ignorance knows no boundaries.
In the same way you claim that Greeks are a bunch of turks, armenians etc, Albanians are a bunch of.. wait.. not sure i can count em all.. Turks, Egyptians, Bulgarians, Serbians (add all e other slavic tribes here) etc etc. The question is do you have any reliable sources?
StormbringerRuler 3 weeks ago
@StormbringerRuler he is right, Greeks Modern greeks are a mix of Albanians, Turks, Slavs and Semetic Africans (Egyptians) the Argives. Greece is the only country in Europe which doesnt claim any minorities where in fact 100% of its population is made of Minorities.
Deathtogreece2 2 weeks ago
@Deathtogreece2 You should really come back with that topic when you have some stats. All i see is you claiming stuff when you're not even rlying to the fact that your own country is a mixture of slavic and turcic tribes also since the medieval times. ou're failing to make any point here, with just accusations.
StormbringerRuler 2 weeks ago
@StormbringerRuler you cant argue sense with someone who is ignorant and delusional. Thats not simply true gayreek 97% of population is pure blood, yes there are few minorities such as Gayrace such as yourself (slaves of Alipasha) Slavs and Bullgars and few jews. But gayreece on the other hand is 100% minorities Albanians make more than 40% of your gay population, Arianitas, Suliotes etc
Deathtogreece2 1 week ago
@Deathtogreece2 You keep mentioning the same stuff but you pride me with no actual proofs and statistics from reliable sources whatsover. Like i said before, i can easily claim i here that 100% of Albanians are a bastard mix of Slavs and Turks and have no connection to the Illyrians whatsoever. So there you go. Each one of us can keep claiming stuff. If you think we're not Greeks, go find e a research and proofs from reliable sources. Until then, stick to being quiet, kid
StormbringerRuler 6 days ago
@StormbringerRuler you can claim all you want that doesnt make it true. but what I say is very true and can be verified very easy. You dont even speak Greek, Classical Greek is very different from Konine Greek which is a mixture of Hebrew, Armenic and Pellasgian. Greeks themselves estimate that over 3 million of greek population are Arianite or of arianite descent 30% of your population. See gayreek your goal is not the truth, is not knowledge or historical facts,
Deathtogreece2 5 days ago
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@Deathtogreece2 "you can claim all you want that doesnt make it true"
Exactly! But you are the one that's claiming stuff. Koine Greek is obviously Greek. It's just different as it would be expected after 2.500 years. And since you keep claiming bullshit abut Koine being a mixture of Armenian (LOL!) and Hebrew (LOL AGAIN), here is what actual historians say about Koine Greek..
StormbringerRuler 5 days ago
@Deathtogreece2 The linguistic roots of the Common Greek dialect had been unclear since ancient times. During the Hellenistic age, most scholars thought of Koine as the result of the mixture of the four main Ancient Greek dialects. This view was supported in the early 20th century by Paul Kretschmer in his book "Die Entstehung der Koine", while Ulrich Wilamowitz and Antoine Meillet, based on the intense Ionic elements of the Koine considered Koine to be a simplified form of Ionic
StormbringerRuler 5 days ago
@Deathtogreece2 [...The final answer which is academically accepted today was given by the Greek linguist G. N. Hatzidakis, who proved that the "stable nucleus" of Koine Greek is Attic. In other words, Koine Greek can be regarded as Attic with the admixture of elements especially from Ionic, but also from other dialects]
As you can see, Koine Greek is 100% Greek. I gave you my evidence. Now it's ur time. Lets see you posting your sources if you say that it can be verified easily
StormbringerRuler 5 days ago
@StormbringerRuler thats what I said its a mixture of Classical Greek, Hebrew and Armenian so you will find elements of attic greek in modern greek language. The attic alphabet is not fully translated they only have partial translations. Classical Greek is a dialect of Pelasgian/Illyrian.
Deathtogreece2 4 days ago
@Deathtogreece2 I find it totally amusing that you fail so much to find me ANY reliable sources supporting your claims. It seems that you're only talking out of your ass. I have repeated myself many times. Get me evidence or shut up.
And no, Koine Greek, as i posted in my link below, is 100% Greek. Did you see any "Armenian" or "Hebrew" being mentioned in my link? No. The scholars agree that it comes from a mixture of GREEK dialects so it's only Greek. I wonder why you keep embarassing yourself
StormbringerRuler 3 days ago
@StormbringerRuler There is a fabrication here greek, there is a big lie which is being fed to the world. You are an Argive from Egypt the ones called Danas and you are mixed with Albanian/Slav/Turkish and Armenian. The ones history calls Ancient Greeks were Pelasgians, who worshiped Pelasgian gods like Zeus, The ones history calls Helene were Arigives from Egypt who conquered Pelasgians in the Islands of greece.
Deathtogreece2 4 days ago
@Deathtogreece2
Sure a guy with a handle "death2greece2" give speechs about minorities. You are full of shit you fascist assshole.
GemistusPletho 1 week ago
@sacrumillyricum Greeks stole the letters of other balkan people? Funny, i thought it was influenced by the Phoenician alphabet. Do you actually READ history or you just talk out of your ass?
I dont really care if you're a descendant of the Illyrians. Even if you are, the Illyrians were a big nothing back then. And well.. they still are. The greatest things the Illyrians have achieved is being the first to talk in a weird language, while Greece was excelling in sciences and arts
StormbringerRuler 3 weeks ago
@StormbringerRuler Those Greeks you refer too were Pelasgians _Proto Illyrians who got conquered later on by the Hellens(Argives) your ancestors. Its not your fault greek this is the work of the Eurofags the fabrication of false Nation and stolen legacy and land of another Illyria/Albania. They key lies in our language nor you the Eurofags or the filthy slavs can manipulate that. Think what you like greek but the truth is the truth even if you like it or not.
Deathtogreece2 2 weeks ago
@Deathtogreece2 Lol yes you're right. All of Europe is conspiring against Albania to hide it's glorious history right? Get out of here. :P
But you're not telling me.. what history is that? What did the illyrians do other than being conquered by the other states like the Macedonians? You say you had the oldest language. Even if that is true.. so what? So did the primitive races of men, 6000 years ago in the caves. Is that all the history you got? Pathetic..
StormbringerRuler 2 weeks ago
αρις-αριδος driller, penetrate machine
εσ-αρισσω virb means to penetrate
noun is εσαρισσα =sarissa
GOD TELL YOUR LIES ELSEWHERE ZEUS10
ES-ARISSO = TO PENETRATE
ESARISSA = THE TOOL THAT EFFORTS TO PENETRATE
εΣ-ΑΡΙΣΣΑ
Learn Greek before you make stupid lectures
iapetoc6 3 months ago
@iapetoc6 nice :)
kaberisisidoros 3 months ago
ancient sources is the best evidence..Of course there were a mixture with Illyrians but this not means the the ancient Illyrians were the same people as Albanias. Fuckin bigoted vdeos like that who try to give a meaning to ancient Greeks words just only because some words are alike, its really ridiculous if we think that all ancient greek words had a meaning and did not need any similarity to create imaginary stories from people who want to serve benefits &have mysterious purposes. Yr pathetic
radamanthys4kalamata 3 months ago
This happened because this region was closest to Italy and the powerfyll commander of illirikum could control them better. After many years, another writer, Ammianus Markellinus refers to them again in the region near Kaykasos, when the emperor Konstantios fight the Persians in the east front and Albans are allies with Persians. Even that time a number of this tribe lived there. At last, the tribe in Illyrikum became numerous and strong during the years and we have the state of Albania.
radamanthys4kalamata 3 months ago
texts and extracts from the books of 3 great sources of the past, Pliny, Ptolemy, Strabon, and why not add Arrianos, speak about the tribe of Albans hundrends of years before Christ and situate them close to Armenia, somewhere in this region near Kaykasos.. Because this tribe triggered many problems to Romans, when the last defeated them, they moved a large population of Alban people in the Illyria region, in a big area with a capital city called Albanopolis (Albans city).
radamanthys4kalamata 3 months ago
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fuck grece igiptian grece is egiptian te qifsha greqin mor grek te qifsha razen kryqin gjakun etj etj
illyrianss001 3 months ago
fuck albania....μα καλα ειστε τοσο μαλακες που νομιζετε οτι ειστε κατι...γαμω την μανας σας την πουτανα...να ψοφισετε ολοι....ενιασας καριολια ερχετ οι ωρα σας....μουνοπανα....ενιασας....κολο γυφτη
mene14387 3 months ago
You say that you dont like ellas but you want our history our name our language, america sings at you and you dance her way, because of her money, you dont have the fuckingn balls to come straight and fight with us for what you want, and the truth is because you are a fucking zero 0... losers ELLAS FOR EVER , come fight you lesbians, like men against legens and of corse dont exept enything else exepts but death.
MrMondaios 3 months ago
next time, quote the full text:
‘The Macedonian dialect indeed contained Illyrian words, words like sarissa, the name for a very long pike used by Macedonian soldiers; but these same soldiers could not understand the language of the dangerous neighbours from whom they had borrowed such words.’
(Stringfellow Barr, The Will of Zeus, p 327)
ArvaniteLegacy 3 months ago
@ArvaniteLegacy next time write the truth
simmilar words αρις-αριδος
go and learn Greek grammar and learn that σαρισσα (notice 2 ss) means to penetrate to drill,
the bullshit of Zeus10 go else where, Albanians are not Illyrians but Dacians
they are satem while Illyrians were centum,
all the world is laughing with your fixtional stories,
iapetoc6 3 months ago
@iapetoc6
Albanians ate centum too. 100 in Abanian is njeqint. All the world is laughing with you desperate efforts to deny the ancient presence of a large nation of the Balkans, in order of your exclusivity. While everybody knows that today's greeks have nothing to do with hellenes. They are a bunch of christian asiaminorians, georgians, armenians and jews who immigrated from Turkey, invented a liturgy language, and stole the hellenic letters to write it. The true hellenes are the ARVANITES
sacrumillyricum 3 months ago 2
@sacrumillyricum only in Albania you say that The whole word Know that Albanians are Dacians and Satem and they have no Linguistic connection with Illyrian,
they get Latinised but their origianal language of AlboCense still exist in ALbanian Satem
Better erad Linguistis and not Nationalistic pappets,
The whole world is laughing with you
iapetoc6 2 months ago
@iapetoc6 Another nonsense. You say that Albanians were latinized. So, Albanians were there when Latins came in the Balkans. When latins came in the Balkans? And who were the nations living in the land where today live the Albanians when the romans came? THE ILLYRIANS. So, it's just mathematics: Albanians are the descendants of Illyrians. We don't know IF the illyrian language was centum or satem. It is believed it was centum. But there's no proof. But u can believe whatever u want
sacrumillyricum 2 months ago
@sacrumillyricum so now Arvanites are Greeks, ina nother post all Albanians say that Arvanites are Albanians,
better read linguistic Gennetic and History my friend,
you just say Bullshit whatever
iapetoc6 2 months ago
@iapetoc6
"The whole world" is not composed by a bunch of drunk greeks believen that even aliens speak a greek dialect and use the greek alphabet. I never said "arvanites are greeks". I spoke about "hellenes". Arvanites were, are and will forever be Albanians. This is a period when they are fooled by greek propaganda and religion who makes them believe that each othodox is a greek. But we are a thousands years old nation, and have patience. And it's good you too read some linguistics.
sacrumillyricum 2 months ago
Today's Greek dress is an imitation of the Albanian one. Fustanella rings a bell? Greece dealt with books and civilizations. Illyrians were the barbarians. Aristotle tells us that Illyrians gave them the name Greek since they came from a certain region. Greie or some gay shit like that.
Dardania(Dardha/PEAR). KING of Dardania=Bardhyllis literally meaning WHITESTAR. FUCK IT GREEKS FAGS
gator153 3 months ago
@gator153 That shows how stupid you are..the word "Greek" comes from the ancient world -γραικός (grekos)this was the encient name for Hellas (Greece).... As said by Athanasios Diakos - "Εγώ Γραικός γεννήθηκα, Γραικός θε να πεθάνω" which means - "I was born grekos {Greek} , I want to die grekos {Greek}.
RockProductions2012 3 months ago
@gator153 bardylliis also means 'singer' hahahaha
iapetoc6 3 months ago
Albanian Falanxes?
There wasn't Albania in that time.
Miauriceful 4 months ago
@Miauriceful there was illyria
gator153 3 months ago
ΗΑΗΑΗΑΗΑΗΑΗΑΗΑΗΑ!!!!!!!!!! WHAT "HISTORY " DO YOU LEARN?
FROM WHAT ANCIENTS SOURCES YOU DERIVE YOUR CONCLUSIONS? GIVE us, A NAME OF AN ANCIENT ALBANIAN WRITER! CAN YOU give ? E? CAN YOU?
WHAT A JOKE! HAHAXAXAHAXAXAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHXAHAXAHA
KRONOSELLAS 4 months ago
and they were hoplons not dorys. stop committing identity fraud against the Hellenic People.
Μέγας Ἀλέξανδρος would weep.
thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
Alexanders mum was Epiriot.
Albania now occupy's the area where Ἄπειρος Apeiros was at one point.
Therefore Alexander was Albanian!!! trololo!!
Thats like saying Im (As British) in fact Roman because the Romans was once here and we have dug up roman coins.
Fucking Dumbass logic, its almost as bad as the Vadarskans who think that by calling themselves Macedonian they suddenly have the History accompanied with that name(despite no evidence at all to back them up)
Altrollia
Republic of Troll
thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
@thegreathistorian7
occupying the area helps our point, but u think all we have on ancient history is location? Who do you think we are, greeks? Seriously? How come names like Illyria, Amalthia, Hyllus, Scodra, Hades, Rhea, Dyrrachium, etc. only have true meaning in Albanian, not to mention the continuance of Illyrian tribes such as Molossoians and Dardanians? the term "dumbass logic" reflects your short-minded comment. Now humor me with how modern day sllavs of macedon are related to ancient?
YllusMC 4 months ago
@YllusMC Those names have meaning in greek, Classical Epirus was Blatantly Hellenic. What planet are you on? clearly not earth, and continuation of illyrian tribes in Epirus or not, you are Albanian and have fuck all to do with illyria, like I say you are just as laughable as the monkeydonians. I made no comment on how the Vadarskans were like the people of ancient Macedon, i said the opposite and made a comparison to your silly revisionist history. Shqiptars have fuck all to do with iIlyria,
thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
@thegreathistorian7
first of all, for your racist words of "monkey" name calling people you dont deserve a reply. Second, you clearly are a one sided, you wont even see, let alone except what Albanians have to do with Illyrians. It is clear that you have a "its all greek" point of view, and if proof smacked you silly, you will still deny it! You know nothing of my history, but I know all about yours. Before you comment on something you clearly know nothing about, start by respecting others.
YllusMC 4 months ago
@YllusMC what proof? Those names you spoke of have meanings in lots of languages mainly greek. Honestly you are no better than the monkeydonians (i use that term, or terms like Skopian, to distinguish the nationalist pseudo Macedonian minority in FYR with the majority of people there who just wanna get on with life) as for knowing "nothing about" this is the subject that i study at a top end university free from Bias, its not my fault you have nothing to back your claims with.
thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
@YllusMC all you are saying is that you claim that some illyrian words have only meaning in your language (which isnt correct anyway) and that albania is where illyria/ epirus once was, which when you combine those arguments proves nothing, in fact the same logic could be applied to the romans that were once there, or here in britian, Rome was once here and many words associated with rome have meanings in English, does that mean we are the sons of ceaser?
Of course not.
Go back to school.
thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
@YllusMC I know this is my 3d reply, but what language did the Ancient Ἄπειρος speak? - Ancient Greek, northwestern.
What games did they participate in? - Olympic
What Pantheon did they worship? - The Greek gods and Achilles as well as having 2nd most important oracle.
What culture did they possess? - Hellenic
What common enemy did they share with Μακεδονία? - The Illyrians
Which area did they support against rome in italy twice in history?- Great Greece
What names did they bear?- Greek
thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
@YllusMC and 4th now the "common word argument" is dead, what do you have in common with the Epiriots or illyrians other than the area where they once were? Oh that's right, nothing. The Serbians occupy more of the area of illyria than you are they illyrian then? And this is all forgetting of course that the Greek people have been in Epirus since its conception, much like Macedon. Illyria is not claimed by them however, and only by you. So then, are the Turks ethnic Thracians? Of course not.
thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
@thegreathistorian7
Let me try to respectfully disagree and reply to all that. I've already heard everything you say. I know all about ancient history, and I know a lot about my language and culture. (1)Ill show you what I believe! If Albanians are Illyrian, and Ilylrians are Pelasgian, the original inhabitants of hellens, any language connection Albanians today have should be considered just as much as yours would. If you agree, I will show you HOW Albanians=Illyrian=Pelasgian, then...
YllusMC 4 months ago
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@YllusMC but what language did the Ancient Ἄπειρος speak? - Ancient Greek, northwestern.
What games did they participate in? - Olympic
What Pantheon did they worship? - The Greek gods and Achilles as well as having 2nd most important oracle.
What culture did they possess? - Hellenic
What common enemy did they share with Μακεδονία? - The Illyrians
Which area did they support against rome in italy twice in history?- Great Greece
What names did they bear?- Greek
thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
@thegreathistorian7
you are going around in circles, youre throwing tangents to our arguments. Do u know how to stay on target, or is your argument as off as the stereotypes about u, fucking the wrong gender? Dont say what the ancient people were, didnt I just say I know all about ancient greeks? Again, I am arguing modern CONNECTIONS with ancient peoples. Im showing how Albanians are Illyrian. You are talking ancient history, what about you? Who the fuck are you? How is your culture ancient?
YllusMC 4 months ago
@YllusMC no, you are, this video is trying to make out that Albania has something to do with Ancient Hellenic Kingdoms, via a few words translated from ENGLISH to Albanian which then are said t have a meaning in Albanian that is more accurate than any other language (ignoring Greek), all the while ignoring the fact that thats not a very strong argument anyway and the fact that you lack evidence to link you to Antiquity more that the Fake Macedonians!
thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
@thegreathistorian7
before I show you how Albanians are ancient Illyrians and have connection with ancient hellens, you must first justify your words. Explain to me Albania and caucaus connection, then we can talk. If you cant, then you reveal you are a liar, and not worthy of my time. If you are lying about obvious things, including the arvanite, that tells me you are lying to cover up something! You are so scared of an honest challenge with Albanians, that you have to make things up!
YllusMC 4 months ago
@YllusMC just Google "Caucasian Albania" its all there Ultimately its this video and other like it which make a claim on the history of Epirus or Macedon and then do not substantiate it with very much at all, all the while ignoring the vast Archaeological and historical evidence to show that they are both Hellenic Kingdoms like they always have been associated with right up until recently with the Fake Macedonian bizarre revisionist take on history supported by nothing, please dont be like them!
thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
@thegreathistorian7
I have googled caucasian Albania, did you read what I said? I told you I have been looking for connections, but I cant find any! They are two different things. All you said is "google" it, then you went on to talk about this video. I asked for proof, I have searched the internet. There is nothing there to connect my Albania with caucaus one. What connections do you see that Im not?
watch?v=ZsgJEVULT5c&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
YllusMC 4 months ago
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@YllusMC sigh.. what language did the Ancient Ἄπειρος and Μακεδονία speak? - Ancient Greek, northwestern/eastern
What games did they participate in? - Olympic
What Pantheon did they worship? - The Greek gods and Achilles as well as having 2nd most important oracle
What culture did they possess? - Hellenic
What common enemy did they share Μακεδονία? - The Illyrians (you :P )
Which area did they support against rome in italy twice in history?- Great Greece
What names did they bear?- Greek
thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
@YllusMC ok then ignore what I said deal with the claims made by this video irrespective of claims on Illyria, you cannot claim the history of Macedon Or Epirus, that is already claimed by the people who have lived there since antiquity the people who are ethnically, linguistically and culturally decedent from them since the conception of the two kingdoms, the Greeks. No Albanian language or culture or anything found in Pella! No Albanian in Epirus! Only Greek found there, no gjuha shqipe. ;)
thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
@thegreathistorian7
no fucker, I just TOLD YOU! I will talk about this video, Im not ignoring it, I will prove all that I said I would, FIRST you prove your claim of Albania and caucaus Albania connection! Why are you dodging this point? You made the claim! If you guys are going to lie about something so obvious, how can we believe you on anything serious? youre just helping my confidence fool!!
YllusMC 4 months ago
@YllusMC mate, up until very recently the status quo of Hellenic history is what it always has been, Macedon belongs to the Greek's they are the people who have lived there since antiquity the people who are ethnically, linguistically and culturally decedent from them and have lived their continuously since its formation. Only recently has the revisionist Skopians and people like you tried to claim that history and until you substantiate that claim there is no need to take you seriously.
thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
@thegreathistorian7
you cannot cover shit with piss, you made a claim earlier that Albania is from caucaus, and you cant back it up! I have asked you at LEAST 4 times to prove this one simple point that you made, and you still keep dancing around the subject. u know why? cus youre a fucking liar! Now go to greece, imitate my culture, and learn Albanian so you can properly sing Arvanite songs, the true native and fucking Ancient culture!
Long live Illyria= Land of the free!
YllusMC 4 months ago
@YllusMC This is not about illyria, this is about Macedon, a different thing.
up until very recently history is what it always has been, Macedon belongs to the Greek's they are the people who have lived there since antiquity the people who are ethnically, linguistically and culturally decedent from them and have lived there continuously since its birth. Only recently has Skopjians tried to claim that history and until you substantiate that claim there is no need to take you seriously.
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thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
@YllusMC as for the Arvanites in Greece they are descendant of Albanian Migrations during the Middle Ages not, an "Ancient Culture". As for now the Arvanites make up 1.8% of the population of Greece, so not only are they not ancient, they are small in number and don't IN GENERAL like to be associated with Albania.
Now, back to the claims of this Video, substantiate your claims on Macedon, and if you can't, just like the Fyromians, you can fuck off.
thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
@YllusMC You have made fallacious reasoning, you have jumped from Albanian to the Albanians are Illyrians, depite the evidence showing that the Albainians came from the caucassian mountains (just google Caucasian Albania) like i said with the Turk analogy (as they too migrated to the area they now are, its like calling the Turks ethnic Anatolians.) show how you can jump from Illyrian to Epiriot and both to Albanian.
thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
@thegreathistorian7
(2)how my language gives better meaning to ancient words than yours. It is a FACT that Albanian language hasnt changed much through history. I dont mind showing you how very european, old, and primitive it is. (3) Everything you guys have say is full of holes. Lets take the Arvanites, why are so many Greeks denying their Albanian blood? This raises questions and makes us not believe anything you say. Do I need to waste my time to prove to you how much Albanian they are?
YllusMC 4 months ago
@YllusMC as for your language it is a slow evolution from borrowed latin, doric greek, 2nd century BC 5th AD, southern Slavic, etc etc etc, by the time your language is formed it is way beyond the time of Epirus as is distinct by the 14th century AD. The Greek words from Macedon funnily enough on this video have the BEST meaning in their own language- Northeastern Greek. The thing is, even if you have something to do with Illyria, you have fuck all to do with Macedon or Epirus.
thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
@thegreathistorian7
I think I saw a spark, "even if you have something to do with Illyria" were your words! You are in denial buddy! I have been looking for years for the caucausian Albania and Albania in Europe, please would you show me the links that show how we migrated here? I cant seem to find ANYTHING but the name Albania, which is also the other name of Scotland, and even Albion, the other name of England is similar. Do you think Albanians are a mix of Scottish and caucasians? humor me
YllusMC 4 months ago
@YllusMC Show me how you have anything to do with Macedon or Epirus and stop going around in circles otherwise your no better than the Skopjians.
thegreathistorian7 4 months ago
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true video
IllyriPower 5 months ago
Strabo Geography, book 7 , chapter 7
I mean the Molossi, the Athamanes, the Aethices, the Tymphaei, the Orestae, and also the Paroraei and the Atintanes, some of them being nearer to the Macedonians and others to the Ionian Gulf.
It is said that Orestes once took possession of Orestias when is, exile on account of the murder of his mother and left the country bearing his name; and that he also founded a city and called it Argos Oresticum.
vazhdon.........
Axeldevil 5 months ago
@Axeldevil
............Argos Oresticum. But the Illyrian tribes which are near the southern part of the mountainous
country and those which are above the Ionian Gulf are intermingled with these peoples; for
above Epidamnus and Apollonia as far as the Ceraunian Mountains dwell the Bylliones,
the Taulantii, the Parthini, and the Brygi. Somewhere near by are also the silver mines
of Damastium,64 around which the Dyestae and the Encheleii (also called Sesarethii)
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Axeldevil 5 months ago
@Axeldevil
....together established their dominion; and near these people are also the Lyncestae,
the territory Deuriopus, Pelagonian Tripolitis, the Eordi, Elimeia, and Eratyra
Axeldevil 5 months ago
.....εἰ τούτοισι τεκμαιρόμενον δεῖ λέγειν, ἦσαν οἱ Πελασγοὶ βάρβαρον γλῶσσαν ἱέντες.εἰ τοίνυν ἦν καὶ πᾶν τοιοῦτο τὸ Πελασγικόν, τὸ Ἀττικὸν ἔθνος ἐὸν Πελασγικὸν ἅμα τῇ μεταβολῇ τῇ ἐς Ἕλληνας καὶ τὴν γλῶσσαν μετέμαθε. καὶ γὰρ δὴ οὔτε οἱ Κρηστωνιῆται οὐδαμοῖσι τῶν νῦν σφέας περιοικεόντων εἰσὶ ὁμόγλωσσοι οὔτε οἱ Πλακιηνοί, σφίσι δὲ ὁμόγλωσσοι: δηλοῦσί τε ὅτι τὸν ἠνείκαντο γλώσσης χαρακτῆρα μεταβαίνοντες ἐς ταῦτα τὰ χωρία, τοῦτον ἔχουσι ἐν φυλακῇ.
Axeldevil 5 months ago
Ne Greqisht Herod.1.57
ἥντινα δὲ γλῶσσαν ἵεσαν οἱ Πελασγοί, οὐκ ἔχω ἀτρεκέως εἰπεῖν. εἰ δὲ χρεόν ἐστι τεκμαιρόμενον λέγειν τοῖσι νῦν ἔτι ἐοῦσι Πελασγῶν τῶν ὑπὲρ Τυρσηνῶν Κρηστῶνα πόλιν οἰκεόντων, οἳ ὅμουροι κοτὲ ἦσαν τοῖσι νῦν Δωριεῦσι καλεομένοισι （οἴκεον δὲ τηνικαῦτα γῆν τὴν νῦν Θεσσαλιῶτιν καλεομένην）καὶ τῶν Πλακίην τε καὶ Σκυλάκην Πελασγῶν οἰκησάντων ἐν Ἑλλησπόντῳ, οἳ σύνοικοι ἐγένοντο Ἀθηναίοισι, καὶ ὅσα ἄλλα Πελασγικὰ ἐόντα πολίσματα τὸ οὔνομα μετέβαλε:
Axeldevil 5 months ago
@Axeldevil te lutem me lexon η μαι γραφεις κανονικα?
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
Herodotus 1.57
What language the Pelasgians spoke I cannot say definitely. But if one may judge by those that still remain of the Pelasgians who live above the Tyrrheni1 in the city of Creston—who were once neighbors of the people now called Dorians, and at that time inhabited the country which now is called Thessalian and of the Pelasgians who inhabited Placia and Scylace on the Hellespont, who came to live among the Athenians, and by other towns too which were once Pelasgian
vazhdon....
Axeldevil 5 months ago
@Axeldevil
...and afterwards took a different name: if, as I said, one may judge by these, the Pelasgians spoke a language which was not Greek.If, then, all the Pelasgian stock spoke so, then the Attic nation, being of Pelasgian blood, must have changed its language too at the time when it became part of the Hellenes.
vazhdon...
Axeldevil 5 months ago
@Axeldevil
.........For the people of Creston and Placia have a language of their own in common, which is not the language of their neighbors; and it is plain that they still preserve the manner of speech which they brought with them in their migration into the places where they live.
Axeldevil 5 months ago
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Ίσοκρ Πανηγ. 19.
Περί δε των Θρακών λέγεται, ότι κατοικούντες κατά τον άλλον χρόνον γείτονες με τους Αθηναίους δια την εκστρατείαν εκείνην ανεχώρηοαν , ώστε
μετά την αναχώρησίν των πολλά έθνη και γένη παντοδαπά εκατοίκησαν εις το μεταξύ της χώρας και πόλεις πολλαί εκτίσθησαν.
Axeldevil 5 months ago
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Axeldevil 5 months ago
@Axeldevil eshte ne dhimotiki dhe jo ne origjinal kjo e fundit.te lutem me thuaj ne se kupton ato qe shkruan se filloj te dyshoj.
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas
eshte ne katharevousa...
Axeldevil 5 months ago
@Axeldevil dakort.di greqisht por ne redh te pare keto qe shkruan i kam lexuar dhe nuk kuptoj ku kundervihen me cka shkruajta me poshte(nje mini refim i prehistorise dhe historise se hershme te greqise)?historiografia grehe nuk trajton greket si te mbire nga toka(autokton).nuk eshte si historiografia shqiptare qe me naivitet trajton shqiptaret si qenie jashtetoksore(a nuk di cfar)ku nuk ndryshon asgje,sikur pellazget nderuan kapele dhe u bene ilir pastaj shqiptar.sikur shqiptaret ishi te izoluar
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas
Nje sekond ....se ke thene me perpara qe te gjitha jane huazuar nga greket... mos i ngatrro gjerat...
shiko se c'eshte bere token helene... pra nje mish mash rracash qe nderronin atdhe nje here ketej nje here andej......
Axeldevil 5 months ago
@Axeldevil po flasim or mik per periudha te neolitit dhe me heret.2000 vjet para krishtit dhe me heret deri ne luften e trojes(perafersisht sh 13 p.k)madje kemi isiodin qe kufizon kete mishmash deri 80 vjet pas luftes se trojes me dyndjen e fundit qe ishin doret.nje komb nuk eshte dicka pa jet ,male apo fusha.ka nje dat(periudhe)lindjeje dhe ne shume raste dhe vdekjeje.
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas
Selloi atehere ishin nje fis prifterinjsh ... ne orrakullin e Dodones Pellasgjike(qe Sipas Herodotit nuk flisnin greqish)..........
Pra nje fis prifterinjsh nuk perfshin te gjith Epirin.... sepse me vone ne luften e Peloponezit..... te tre fiset Epirote.. permenden si fise Barbare (Πας μη Έλλην, Βάρβαρος).......
Axeldevil 5 months ago
@Axeldevil μα τι εστι βαπβαροσ και τι ελλην!kjo eshte qe nuk kupton.mendova se me kuptove me gjithe ato qe u mundova te te shkruaj.fjala barbar nuk do te thote vetem i huaj ne gjuhe apo ne gjak apo ne zakone por dhe ne organizimin shoqeror.duhet te kuptosh se herodoti konsideron greke te hershem pikerisht kater nga fiset me origjine pellazge :akejte,doret,ionet dhe eolet dhe barbare gjithe pellazget e tjere dhe fiset e tjera.ne luften e peloponezit nje pjes e epiroteve ishin aleate te...
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas
Sipas mendimit tend atehere edhe Vllehet qe jane latinofon ... jane Italian apo Romak...(me qe the per gjuhen....)
Axeldevil 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas ...aleate te spartes si dore qe ishin.prandaj athinasit si ione dhe me te kulturuar i quanin barbare me percmim.mos u mundo te interpretosh gjithcka ne menyre te thjeshtezuar dhe naive.ne periudha te tjera,per shembull ne luften me mbretereshen teuta(ilire kjo, shenoj) epirotet kerkuan ndihme nga athinasit dhe greket e magna grecia.
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas sa per selloi ku shkruan herodoti se nuk flisnin greqisht?ndoshta bej gabim po nuk mbaj mend dicka te tille.
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas
Kete per barbaros qe quhej organizim shoqeror eshte gabim... Barbaros=Jo Grek
Ja citimi i meposhtem....
vazhdon...
Axeldevil 5 months ago
@Axeldevil
At this period there were three main divisions of the Aetolians, the Apodoti, Ophionenses, and Eurytanes.
The last, who were the most numerous of the three, spoke a language which was unintelligible,
and were in the habit of eating raw meat. (Thuc. iii. 102.) Thucydides, however, does not call them Barbaroi;
and notwithstanding their low culture and uncivilized habits, the Aetolians ranked as Hellenes, partly..
Pra Thukididi qe permend 3 epirot tribes=barbarian...
Axeldevil 5 months ago
@Axeldevil jam i sigurt se flet mire dhe anglisht por nuk e perkthen mire,ndoshta nga nxitimi.thukididi nuk i quan fare barbare megjithese nuk do ishte aspak e cuditshme(i pershkruan si te tille me percmim).akoma dhe ai nga ke mar fragmentin e shenon - Thucydides, however, does not call them Barbaroi.-sa per fjalen barbar ,etimologjia nuk eshte e sigurt por hipoteza e vetme ka te bej me gjuhe.akoma dhe sot ne greqi si dhe ne shqiperine e jugut kur duam te percmojme dike qe jlet ....
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas
Nuk po e kupton .....
Thukidhidhi Fiset "Etoliane" (Apodhoti,Ofianenses,Evritanes) nuk i Quan Barbare... megjithese keta te fundit kishin dialekt te veshtire per ta kuptuar edhe hanin mish te gjall.... pra keta konsiderohen si Helen nga Thukidhidhi....... Nga ana tjeter Fiset Epirote(Molloset,Thesprotet dhe Kaonet) quhen fise Barbare nga i njejti megjithese ishin me larte ne civilizim nga Etolet...
Axeldevil 5 months ago
@Axeldevil jam i sigurt se cfar lexoj ne anglisht,megjithate nuk ka rendesi.te me falesh po duhet ta mbyll.ishte vertet interesante dhe e cuditshme per mua biseda(veshtiresohem me kompiuterin).diten e mire dhe pac fat.
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas
Ok .... ja kalofsh mire..
Axeldevil 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas ...shpejte,apo percart,apo ne menyre te pakuptueshme dhe na lodh biseda me te bejme nje tingull te ngjashem berber ose burbur(me perseritje).kjo nuk ka shume rendesi sesa menyra qe e perdornin greket e lashte.ne kete tekst epirotet percmohen si te eger ne gjuhe dhe ne menyren qe hane.ne nje tekst p.sh. herodoti(ne istorika) thote per vet helenet ne pergjithesi se tashme jane bere barbare sepse mbrtin me vete kudo arme
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas
Po te shkruaj cfare thote Thukidhidhi... tani nqs ti e kupton ndryshe eshte puna jote...
Axeldevil 5 months ago
Puna eshte qe une po te shkruaj citime nga periudha klasike .... ate cka kane shkruar vete autoret e lashte ... pa hequr as edhe nje presje.... pra nuk po hedh se cfare mendoj une... Secili nxjerr konkluzionet e tija .... sepse Herodoti ka thene...
Το Ελληνικόν, εόν όμαιμόν τε και ομόγλωσσον, και θεών ιδρύματά τε κοινά και θυσίαι ήθεά τε ομότροπα.
Axeldevil 5 months ago
@Axeldevil shume dakort.herodoti me nje fjali shkruajti cka mundohesha te shkruaja une gjith mundim ne kete djall kompiuter qe smund ta bej zap.ne se di greqishten e re me thuaj nje fjale nga origjinali(herodoti)qe nuk eshte dhe ne greqishten e sotme.
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas
qe te jesh Grek duhet te jesh te gjitha ato qe permend Herodoti... te jesh grekofon nuk do te thote me doemos te jesh grek... Sepse atehere edhe Arvanitet,Vllehet,Pondsat..... sipas pikveshtrimit tend jane grek... Mos Harro se si e kane huazuar kete te fundit gjuhen...
Axeldevil 5 months ago
@Axeldevil e ke fjalen per όμαιμόν ?vertet mendon se ekzitoi,akziston apo do ezistoje ndonjehere ne cdo komb te botes όμαιμόν ?vertet beson dicka te tille?
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
Apodotoi
The Apodoti (Apodotoi, Thuc. iii. 94; Apodotoi, Pol. xvii. 5) inhabited the mountains above Naupactus, on the borders of Locris. They are said by Polybius not to have been Hellenes. (Comp. Liv. xxxii. 34.)
North of these dwelt the Ophionenses or Ophienses (Ophioneis, Thuc. l. c.; Ophieis, Strab. pp. 451,465), and to them belonged the smaller tribes of the Bomienses
Axeldevil 5 months ago
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MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
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@Axeldevil vazhdon te besosh se ke gjetur holy grail(ARBERIAONLINE)dhe nuk mund te lexosh cfar shkruaj(dicka te tille do ta konsideroja,sinqerisht,nder).fillimisht po te jap disa burime,ne origjinal,(mund te kerkosh ne internet, jam i sigurt se dicka duhet te kete):Παριο (Χρονικο) , Ηροδοτος (Α, 2 και Α 57- 58), Εκαταιος Μιλησιος (Στραβων 7, 321), Θουκυδιδης (Α, 3 -9), Πλατων (Μενεξενος), Παυσανιας (Βοιωτικα 5, 1 – 10), Διοδωρος (βιβλιο Μ, 3), Απολοδωρος ( βιβλιοθηκη Ιστορικη).vazhdon
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas ne keto burime nder te tjerave dhe fragmenti nga strabon qe gjete ne ARBERIAONLINE(a dicka te ngjashme)pervec se shkruhet pak a shume se para luftes se trojes ne greqi jetonin vetem barbare.por dhe keta barbare ishin te ardhur "επηλυδες"-emigrante sic i quan herodoti.flasim per gjysmen e hershme te mijvjecarit te dyte p.k(neoliti dhe me heret).ne kete periudhe nuk ekzistojne greke,epirote illire,maqedon,spartane,ione,athinas etj(qe te te jap nje ide).po nga dolen greket?vazhdon
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas ne se i besojme shkrimtareve grek te periudhes klasike(jane dhe me te besueshmit per shkak te aferise se tyre kohore ne krahasim me periudhat me te voneshme-kjo per cka shkruan ti)mund te rezultojme pa shume siguri ne dy hipoteza(per mendimin tim njera nuk perjashton tjetren):1-platon(me fjalet e sokratit) si dhe thuqidhidhi(keshtu shqiptohet ne greqisht-fjale unike "shqiptoj" apropo.si mund te shqiptosh anglisht p.sh.?e ke menduar pse) ishte mbreti kretas minoas ai qe ..vazhdon
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas ...bashkoi keta barbare(shkrimtaret e lashte i quajn barbare sepse nuk jane akoma helene) duke krijuar spermat e para te"polis"d.m.th.ligjet,organizimin ushtarak dhe kulturen bujqesore(deri atehere ishin nomad dhe blegtore).keshtu u krijuan qytetet e para dhe fortifikimet e para.platon thote se minoas deboi perfundimisht piratet finikas dhe siguroi rruget tregtare por kjo nuk mund te jete krejt bindese.vazhdon
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas 2-herodoti si dhe shumica e klasikeve shkruan se banoret e pare te greqise ishin fiset pellazge(kryesisht),fise trake qe zbriten ne peloponez,pelopet te ardhur nga bregdeti i azise se vogel(frigjia),danajet nga egjypti por me origjine nga kaspia.keto te dhena koincidojne dhe me emertimet qe jep homeri per greket e periudhes mitike(sh 13 p.k).herodoti thote se helenet e pare ishin akejte,doret,eolet dhe ionet(kater nga fiset me te fuqishme me origjin pellazge)sepse ishin ...vazhdon
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas .....te paret qe krijuan qytete ne greqine kontinentale(ne krete ekzistonin)dhe me pas politia d.m.th.u organizuan ne shtete.nje shenim i rendesishem ketu-nuk ekziston emer i perbashket per keto fise dhe gjithashtu shpesh luftonin midis tyre(sic ndodhi ne gjithe historine e greqise).ekzistonte nje fis helen ne greqine qendrore dhe greket e epirit por asgje e perbashket.per sa i perket problemit tone,doret jane paraardhesit e epiroteve,maqedoneve,spartaneve,nje pjese te kretes..
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas ....(keta te fundit permenden me heret se te tjeret nga homeri) dhe me pak ne rajone te tjera.iliret ishin gjithmone barbare dhe nuk kishin asnje lidhje me doret.megjithate kane nje lidhje mitike me greket,pasi biri i danait(erdhi nga egjypti por me origjin nga kaspia,ndoshta thjesht ishte finikas)kadmos u debua me dhune nga froni dhe shkoine nje vend verior ku gruan e tij armonine linden illirin gjenarkun e ilireve.se fundi pas luftes se trojes fillojne te permenden .....
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas ..emertime te perbashketa pervec "akej","danaj" dhe"pellazge" nga homeri dhe helene,greke,evropiane(greket konsiderojne edhe sot shenje bukurie syte e medhenj,cka do te thote dhe kjo fjale e mrekullueshme me nje histori akoma me interesante).me pas u bashkuan dhe u asimiluan dhe fise te tjera kryesisht pellazge dhe trake duke krijuar nje kompleks shtetesh dhe fisnish qe pretendonin secila se ishin me greke se te tjeret(sic ndodh dhe sot)dhe se te tjeret jane barbare....vazhd
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas emra te perbashketa,jovetem "akej","danaj","pellazge"qe permend homeri(sh.6-7 p.k)por dhe "helene","greke","evropiane"(greket,akoma dhe sot konsiderojne shenje bukurie syte e medhenj,cka do te thote dhe kjo fjale e mrekullueshme me nje histori interesante).te huajt i emeruan me emrin e fisit apo gjinise qe kishin me prane.keshtu etrusket,latinet dhe ne pergjithesi perendimi i quajti greke nga epirotet.kurse perset,kombet simite ne pergjithesi,indianet madje dhe kinezet i quajten ..
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas .....nga ionet e azise se vogel:yunan,junan,wanan.se fundi or mik,per mua keto qe te shkruajta jane thjesht teorira.e di si e zbulova une te verteten?10 vjec(nuk genjej,te betohem)fillova te lexoj ne shqip te perkthyer iliaden.prkthimi ishte ne gegerisht dhe perkthyesi nje shkodran(emrin nuk e kujtoj dhe me vjen vertet keq,nuk e kam me librin fatkeqesisht).veshtiresohesha shum me dialektin por kjo perralle ishte shume terheqese.kuptohet qe nuk e lexova te tere sepse pash filmin..
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas "helena e trojes" dhe duhej te luaja me shpata.keto kujtoja kur 5-6 vjet me pas si per mrekulli babai me solli nje"odise" te zhubravitur dhe gjithe shenime neper faqe.terhoqa kapakun qe ishte i keputur dhe lexova:"Ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, Μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσε•
πολλῶν δ’ ἀνθρώπων ἴδεν ἄστεα καὶ νόον ἔγνω,
πολλὰ δ’ ὅ γ’ ἐν πόντῳ πάθεν ἄλγεα ὃν κατὰ θυμόν,
ἀρνύμενος ἥν τε ψυχὴν καὶ νόστον ἑταίρων....".pesova shok............
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas pervec fjales πτολίεθρον kuptoja te gjitha fjalet(edhe kete fjale,pasi ma shpjeguan me ishte e qarte).ne fillim kuptoja fjalet por jo gjith kontekstin.duke e rilexuar disa here me ishte krejt e qarte.fakti se mund te kuptoja pa ndonje shkollim fjalet e homerit ishte nje shok dhe nje zbulim i perbindshem.a me kupton se cdua te them.eshte tjeter gje te kesh nje kontakt teorik me dicka dhe tjeter te te flasi dikush me nje gjuhe 3000 vjecare dhe ti jo thjesht ta kuptosh....
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas
Pse kujton se e kupton greqishten e lashte? ahahahahh
Axeldevil 5 months ago
@Axeldevil te duket e cuditshme?ja pse nuk mund te me kuptosh.nuk pretendoj te kuptoj tekste te veshtira si lisian apo shkrimtaret e aleksandris,por platon me siguri.duhet ta dish se greqishtja e sotme nuk eshte shum e ndryshme nga ajo e lashte.madje as nga teksti me i lashte ,iliada dhe odiseja.nuk eshte si latinishtja me italishten apo frengjishten.lete bejme nje test.ti di pak greqisht?
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas
Kopia me e vjeter e Iliades daton ne mesjete..
Axeldevil 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas po te kesh iluzionin se te flet gjyshi.e kupton se cila eshte e verteta ime or mik?e kupton pse gjith kjo bisede mua me duket absurde?e kupton se atdheu,per nje grek,mbi te gjitha,eshte gjuha greke qe mbart kulturen e kombit tim qe nga fillimi i historise deri me sot.e kupton se greqia nuk jane malet dhe gerxhet,por kultura greke.si mund te jene shqiptare epirotet kur quhen epirote?si mund te jete shqiptar aleksandri kur quhet aleksander?naten e mire dhe pac fat.
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
Polybius (book XVIII sect 5) Plb. 18.5.8
What is this Greece, pray, from which ye bid me depart? How do you define it? Why, most of the Aetolians themselves are not Greeks; for neither the Agrai, nor the Apodoti, nor the Amphilochi are counted as Greek. Do you then give up those tribes to me?"
Axeldevil 5 months ago
Elpizw na se kalipsa kyrie "Kanena"...
Axeldevil 5 months ago
@Axeldevil Ουδείς λόγος περί του αντιθέτου .Μακάριοι οι φτωχοί τα ο πνέβματη.Nuk kam ndonje problem me dike qe kerkon ne internet per te gjetur dicka qe i intereson.akoma dhe ne blogs me permbajtje nacionaliste.akoma,akoma dhe ne blogs si ai ARBERIAONLINE ku "vertetohet" ne menyren me kategorike se aleksandri i madh ishte nga mirdita,por kam problem kur dikush nuk interesohet te kuptoje dhe te vleresoje ato cka lexon.aq me keq kur nuk i intereson as ti kontrolloje sa kredibilitet kane.vazhdon
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas nuk ka rendesi.nuk pretendoj te kesh lexuar halkokondilin.as une e kam lexuar.por di kush ishte dhe per cfare periudhash ka shkruar ne kodet e tij.fragmenti i shkeputur i referohet dekades se dyte pas renies se konstandinopojes kur kishte mbetur vetem peloponezi jasht pushtimit turk(edhe ai,me perjashtim te Mistas ishte nen pushtimin venecian).nuk ka asgje te cuditeshme ne te.per xalkokondilin,shqiptaret e asaj kohe,ishin vellezer ne besim.vazhdon
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas duhet te dish se arbereshet(nuk kishte shqiptare atehere?vertet si dhe kur u krijua termi shqiptar?vertet nuk e di.)apo ne greqisht arvanitet kishin emigruar qe ne sh.13 ne gjithe greqine dhe me tej.gjitheashtu dhe ne maqedoni.pa dyshim ty te pelqeu(ne se ke kuptuar dinakerine e bloguesit):"Μακεδονικόν γένος".cfar kuptonte xalkokondilis me kete,vetem ai e di.shume bukur kete fragment mund ta perdorin dhe bullgaromaqedonasit per te vertetuar se shqiptaret jane bullgaromaqedonas.vazh
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas sic te shkruajta dhe rradhen e kaluar,pikerisht ky eshte nacionalizmi.percmon historine"zyrtare"sepse e kane "sajuar"armiqte dhe tradhetaret e kombit,dhe kane "fshehur" historine e "vertete" te cilen mundohen ta zbulojne kerkues te vertete(packa se mund te jene dhe polica,mos te them ndonje profesion me te erret).kjo ndodh dhe ne greqi dhe kudo.greket duan skenderbeun grek,turqit homerin,bullgaret cirilin dhe metodin,bullgaromaqedonet aleksandrin,kroatet konstandinin e madh,...vazh
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas po shqiptaret?A,ketu gjerat egersohen.nacionalistet shqiptar duan gjithcka:aleksandrin,aristotelin,eskilin(ishte madje cam),akilin(patjeter,si mund te shpetonte i mjeri),dhe lista nuk ka fund.vitet e fundit duan dhe gjithe greket,pa perjashtim(te vjetrit,te rinjte i urrejne).si mund te flasesh logjikisht atehere?ku fillon besimi i mire per njohuri dhe ku mbaron ethja e ulet nacionaliste?haro mua,nje minoritar grek qe mund te jem dhe une nacionalist,po nje i trete(gjerman,kinez).vaz
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
@MrTheKanenas nje i trete si mund ta konsideroje serioze kete mani?kam frike se do vi nje dite kur ne sheshin skenderbe apo ne stadiumin qemal stafa do organizohen veprimtari me karakter "historik",teatral me veshje te lashtesise,me parakalime qesharake dhe "beteja" me shpata si femij te vegjel.keto budallalleqe beheshin ne diktaturen e koloneleve ne greqi,behen tani ne shkup,behen ne turqi.nuk dua te jetoj nje dite te tille!jo!ja pse shkruaj ketu si budallai.naten e mire dhe pac fat.
MrTheKanenas 5 months ago
Edhe..
Χαλκοκονδύλης..(1423 – 1490)
«Αλβανούς γαρ έγωγε μάλλον τι τοις Μακεδόσι
προστίθεσθαι αν λέγοιμι ή άλλω τινί των κατά την οικουμένην εθνών`
ουδενί τε γαρ συμφέρονται, ότι μη το Μακεδονικόν γένος»
Axeldevil 5 months ago
mos lexo ne wikipedia e me ma perkthy ketu...sepse shihet kur tregon oren qe ke marr 3-4 ore per te shkruar keto komente....
Bardh87 8 months ago
dhe ty shqipe siq te thash me heret......lere ket Wikipedia, se ter informacionet me duket se i morre aty.....ajo nuk kredibilitet sepse kush don mund te shkon dhe te ben edit ter teksteve...per ata nuk lejohet ne spjegime historike/skolare....
Per Arvanitet vetem nje send.....siq i thojn arbresh ne italy, Arnaut ne Turqi...Greket i kan than Arvanite....te era jan emra te huja per te than shqiptaret...sikur na thojn Amerikanet Albanian jo Shqiptar...
Bardh87 8 months ago
dhe populli im esht me i lasht se te dy Greket/Slavet....
nuk esht qudi sa serbet perdorin templat Illyrian dhe u munduan ti thojn botes se ata ishin Illirit e lashte dhe me at ide e mbaruan yugoslavin....
edhe Greket ne tjetren an na kan adaptuar traditet dhe veshjet si fustanellat, etj dhe jan munduar te thojn se jan te tyre...
Por nje send, gjakun si thua si esht i njejt kurr nuk do te kan...Gjakun e trimerise siq pat Leka, Pirro, Kastrioti, Dukagjini, etj etj
Bardh87 8 months ago
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Bardh87 8 months ago
Hmm.....perse mundohesh te me spjegosh nje text qe e kuptoj shume mire..a mos ke humb rrugen?
Are you trying to be smart and start a debate?
Did you just read a quote I posted about the Epirotes without any comment and assume what my intentions were?? Your a lost little kid
Lol hajt mos ma qaj karin....
Bardh87 8 months ago
@Bardh87 mundohem te te shpiegoj nje tekst qe jam i sigurt se e kupton(ne anglisht)por e paraqet per te vertetuar nje kuptim krejt te ndryshem.pjesa qe te perktheva nga origjinali dhe qe nuk ndryshon shume nga perkthimi ne anglisht(megjithe se eshte nje pershtatje)thjesht tregon se tjeter gje ishin iliret dhe tjeter gje ishin epirotet.mos u mundo te keqinterpretosh fragmente te shkeputura nga strabon,herodoti etj.
nobody6893 8 months ago
@nobody6893 po te jap nje shembull me te qarte nga letrat greke te periudhes klasike(me te hershem se Strabon)Ja origjinali--.... ἀλλ' ὥσπερ ὁ καλούμενος ἐπὶ Δευ-
καλίωνος κατακλυσμός· καὶ γὰρ οὗτος περὶ τὸν Ἑλληνικὸν
ἐγένετο τόπον μάλιστα, καὶ τούτου περὶ τὴν Ἑλλάδα τὴν
ἀρχαίαν. αὕτη δ' ἐστὶν ἡ περὶ Δωδώνην καὶ τὸν Ἀχελῷον·
οὗτος γὰρ πολλαχοῦ τὸ ῥεῦμα μεταβέβληκεν· ᾤκουν γὰρ οἱ
Σελλοὶ ἐνταῦθα καὶ οἱ καλούμενοι τότε μὲν Γραικοὶ νῦν δ'
Ἕλληνες…….
Αριστοτέλης Μετεωρολογικά A 352 vazhdon
nobody6893 8 months ago