Music always has 3 rules: Harmony, Melody and Rythm. That is the reason why you noticed polyphopny and counterpoint. For the mathematical construction, here is the difference. Bach used baroque rules which implied scales and very small transposition, whereas Schoenberg used dodecaphony, and wasn't stcuk in scales rules. You are right when you say they have a lot and common, but Schoenberg has way less in common with Bach than with Stravinsky.
@treflir Wrong! They have a lot in common: Use of counterpoint, strict rules, mathematical constructions. Bach used numerology Schoenberg tone rows, which is also a form of numerology. Did I mention polyphony? The use of same material in all voices. There are more similarities than differences between the two. If you only judge it by sound you are missing the point.
by the secong listening features become more apparent . recurrent rythmic patterns become a new motif theme comes back was fighting desc..the minor sec descen .the halb so rasch really neat 3 against 2 and the verkl theme &rhythm .It only gets better let see ! sonata structure not sure about yet .
ur all wrong!
jessegguitar 2 months ago
@bartje11
By the way, my point was to destroy hamporkcheese joke, not to fight against you. Cheers.
Thanks for posting this piece.
treflir 3 months ago
@bartje11
Music always has 3 rules: Harmony, Melody and Rythm. That is the reason why you noticed polyphopny and counterpoint. For the mathematical construction, here is the difference. Bach used baroque rules which implied scales and very small transposition, whereas Schoenberg used dodecaphony, and wasn't stcuk in scales rules. You are right when you say they have a lot and common, but Schoenberg has way less in common with Bach than with Stravinsky.
treflir 3 months ago
@Hamporkcheese
Bach and Schoenberg don't have anything in common. Bach was baroque and only composed using scales, Schoenberg never used at least one.
treflir 3 months ago
@treflir Wrong! They have a lot in common: Use of counterpoint, strict rules, mathematical constructions. Bach used numerology Schoenberg tone rows, which is also a form of numerology. Did I mention polyphony? The use of same material in all voices. There are more similarities than differences between the two. If you only judge it by sound you are missing the point.
bartje11 3 months ago 7
@bartje11 Thank you for your astute observation and for putting Hamporkcheese in his/her place.
wamlf6571 3 months ago
this is what happens when bach meets a train crash...
Hamporkcheese 1 year ago
by the secong listening features become more apparent . recurrent rythmic patterns become a new motif theme comes back was fighting desc..the minor sec descen .the halb so rasch really neat 3 against 2 and the verkl theme &rhythm .It only gets better let see ! sonata structure not sure about yet .
lovesGenet 1 year ago
sounds like verklaerte .same motif .
lovesGenet 1 year ago
This makes me want to cry, where's "Do" ? :(
Leitilumo 1 year ago
what a impressive string quartet!
MagicDonDino 2 years ago
danke
yuehchopin 2 years ago