Weber's great insight is that religion is manufactured by powerful interests. I think unreasoning superstition remains an abstraction really, Weber recognized "culture" as an concrete economic structure The undertaking of the elite to train working people to servitude was put under the administration of church authorities who acted really as the mass media of their time. The idea that we have been under surveillance for 400 years and the state has a monopoly on violence are his discoveries too
@jazzbo66zz Nicely put. Not to take anything away from Weber, because I honestly don't know anything about him, but I must say, recent observations and analysis suggest that we've been ruled by ruthless individuals for millenia on millenia... and their psychology / beliefs / language / methodology / ideals have been passed on generation after generation. It's because the oppressors won that we have a state modeled after oppression. We just have to want to change that. Now, we can.
Um, India and China didn't go around the world subjugating the world's populations, while the Protestant Work Ethicists did. Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, England, Holland all went abroad and oppressed various people and stole their wealth, then used it to justify their oppressive system.
So yeah, in someone's nightmare, someone worked hard, but it wasn't the capitalists or Protestants, it was all the people in Africa, India, China, and elsewhere. Recall slavery? Imperialism?
That's exactly what i wanted to say. Imperialism, exploitation and struggle against wealth is as old as time. I do agree with Weber on the ability of Protestantism to maintain and justify our "work culture" ideology. I haven't read him extensively so I really should wait before I pass judgment on his ideas.
Those who dislike Weber must at least be aware of two simple points: First, if you think he's somehow arguing that Protestantism is superior and wonderful then you're entirely misguided. The PESC wasn't a manifesto! Rather he objectively describes the emergence of capitalism as resulting from the insanity of the whole idea of salvation anxiety! Second, he did not argue that the protestant ethic was the the sole or primary cause for capitalism, rather, just one in a number of elective affinities.
@tomsega I'll agree with Weber that Capitalism is a dysfunctional system wrought on humanity because of the deep self loathing someone once felt towards themselves, which they unfortunately projected out at others, in a psychological sense.
I am aware that capitalism arose as a way for non-landed a-holes to compete against the landed a-holes. Mercantilism was the result, leading to the world financial markets.
Only a self hater can come up with this: Not worthy till I work my self dead.
protestant ethic is the biggest bullshit theory ever propagated. the WASPs (white angle saxon protestants) became wealthy only by looting other people's land and exploiting other people's labor.
Confronted by powerful economies like China and Japan, their supposedly impregnable walls are crumbling and collapsing.
It's insightful people eventually saw through this protestant ethic as a paper tiger - strength in appearance but is weak and ineffectual inside.
Funny you should say that, when Weber addresses the Catholic south, which was just as colonial as the Prot north. South America? (Furthermore, Catholocism was the tool by which Italy ran the rest of Europe!) What Weber describes is the emergence of all-pervasive rationality. Perhaps the Prot north WAS successfull by "exploiting other peoples labour", as you put it, but it is precisely that tendency; the tendency toward bureaucracy and generating wealth for wealth's sake, which Weber explains.
you're confused. there is no Italy to "control" Europe with Catholicism since Italy for the most of its history is an amalgam of city-states. Colonies, for example, whether colonized by england or spain have remained poor
English colonies/territories = nigeria, south africa, zimbabwe, sudan, sri lanka, kenya, india (pakistan, bangladesh). These english protestant colonies/territories are some of the poorest in the world, racked by constant coup d' etat, instability, and murder.
You're pedantic. Of course I'm aware Vatican city is its own state, the point is S.Europe is Catholic and that power belongs with Latin-speaking Catholicism. With regards England 'colonising only poor countries' Weber never argued the protestant work ethic itself would be introduced to other cultures. In fact you benefit Weber in blurring colonialism and imperialism: those countries colonised (USA, UK) are Western capitalist, whereas imperial realms, without the Prot ethic, "have remained poor"!
drop the "pedantic" talk - I'm just a regular guy making an argument. Why bring the Vatican when it is not even in our argument - unless if you have a hidden agenda. By the way, UK is not a colonized country - it is a colonizer!
You quite discourteously began your reply with "you're confused", so I thought id' be appropriate to start mine with "you're pedantic" seeing as you picked on a brief sentence I had relegated to brackets. Seeing as this time your main line of attack is picking on a (clearly corrected) typo rather than bothering to make the case for anything, that gives me some sense I've won this discussion, although that wasn't my intention and I am entirely open to your long-thought-out opinions on Weber. Ciao
obviously you made mistakes in your previous arguments (whether you view this as immaterial or not) despite your denial but you're liable to your opinion. Ciao
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JCistGottMitUns 1 month ago
You no good piece of shit whoever waisted thier time and others, Showing off to the other childern, youtube is being infested with crap from morons.
halftimeman 1 month ago
good video. kinda silly, but good
fernandokleinrocha 3 months ago
Great video! But, could you site your sources? Thanks.
nicktumi 4 months ago
this is fucking impossible to watch. gurble gurble gurble . what the fuck they obviously dont talk like that. jesus this is thee worst.
luckyduckydec 5 months ago
How can youtube has wrongly used the name of the famous Indian Sociologist, Andre Beteille as Albert Wesker. Please correct the name immediately.
imocha1961 7 months ago
Great music, really.
warmwarmerdisco 8 months ago in playlist Sociology of Personality
When religion acts as a force for social change then it's called a cult, and once it's dominance is cemented, it matures into a bona fide religion.
WSWarthog 9 months ago
Whoever made this video must have been on crack.
nohxpolitan 9 months ago 9
Yeah, Microphones!
jerryhsu007 9 months ago
Why should we believe non believers. anti christ apostles.
SolarWinds63 1 year ago
:D:D:D the German and the French are definitly amazingly spoken^^-thanks for that!
Deeenja 1 year ago
3:50 Thats the most accurate map of Europe I have ever seen
Zeberdee691 1 year ago
I think this just saved by degree.
Thank Christ for the BBC.
TBV06 1 year ago
@TBV06 i think you need more to save you're degree considering you cant spell LOL
LJay279 1 year ago
@LJay279 i think you mean "your", and "can't".
i hope you're embarrassed, spelling nazi. You insufferable cunts.
roidroid 9 months ago
I like the generic calypso music during intro :-)
canaan1967 1 year ago
Weber's great insight is that religion is manufactured by powerful interests. I think unreasoning superstition remains an abstraction really, Weber recognized "culture" as an concrete economic structure The undertaking of the elite to train working people to servitude was put under the administration of church authorities who acted really as the mass media of their time. The idea that we have been under surveillance for 400 years and the state has a monopoly on violence are his discoveries too
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz Nicely put. Not to take anything away from Weber, because I honestly don't know anything about him, but I must say, recent observations and analysis suggest that we've been ruled by ruthless individuals for millenia on millenia... and their psychology / beliefs / language / methodology / ideals have been passed on generation after generation. It's because the oppressors won that we have a state modeled after oppression. We just have to want to change that. Now, we can.
Ranger4564 1 year ago
@Ranger4564 your right Webers work has been criticised as people owned money before Calvinism was around
MTCoblivsicas12345 1 year ago
Um, India and China didn't go around the world subjugating the world's populations, while the Protestant Work Ethicists did. Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, England, Holland all went abroad and oppressed various people and stole their wealth, then used it to justify their oppressive system.
So yeah, in someone's nightmare, someone worked hard, but it wasn't the capitalists or Protestants, it was all the people in Africa, India, China, and elsewhere. Recall slavery? Imperialism?
Ranger4564 1 year ago
@Ranger4564
That's exactly what i wanted to say. Imperialism, exploitation and struggle against wealth is as old as time. I do agree with Weber on the ability of Protestantism to maintain and justify our "work culture" ideology. I haven't read him extensively so I really should wait before I pass judgment on his ideas.
canaan1967 1 year ago
awesome way to sum up what i had to read for soci 101
vash01000100 1 year ago
correlation does not mean causation weber.
wutdaFU3K 2 years ago
@wutdaFU3K
Could you explain what you mean?
canaan1967 1 year ago
Jesus Christ has returned. I AM.
IAMJESUSmovie 2 years ago
this is great, thanks for posting
rocketshiptorehab 2 years ago
lol nice job. nice humour
seigneurvoland666 2 years ago
Those who dislike Weber must at least be aware of two simple points: First, if you think he's somehow arguing that Protestantism is superior and wonderful then you're entirely misguided. The PESC wasn't a manifesto! Rather he objectively describes the emergence of capitalism as resulting from the insanity of the whole idea of salvation anxiety! Second, he did not argue that the protestant ethic was the the sole or primary cause for capitalism, rather, just one in a number of elective affinities.
tomsega 2 years ago
who gives a damn about your god, weber
campaigners 2 years ago
Why are you searching for his videos in that case..
tomsega 2 years ago 3
@tomsega I'll agree with Weber that Capitalism is a dysfunctional system wrought on humanity because of the deep self loathing someone once felt towards themselves, which they unfortunately projected out at others, in a psychological sense.
I am aware that capitalism arose as a way for non-landed a-holes to compete against the landed a-holes. Mercantilism was the result, leading to the world financial markets.
Only a self hater can come up with this: Not worthy till I work my self dead.
Ranger4564 1 year ago
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tomsega 2 years ago
I am a WASP and proud.
Belegaer 3 years ago
protestant ethic is the biggest bullshit theory ever propagated. the WASPs (white angle saxon protestants) became wealthy only by looting other people's land and exploiting other people's labor.
Confronted by powerful economies like China and Japan, their supposedly impregnable walls are crumbling and collapsing.
It's insightful people eventually saw through this protestant ethic as a paper tiger - strength in appearance but is weak and ineffectual inside.
tacotony24 3 years ago
Funny you should say that, when Weber addresses the Catholic south, which was just as colonial as the Prot north. South America? (Furthermore, Catholocism was the tool by which Italy ran the rest of Europe!) What Weber describes is the emergence of all-pervasive rationality. Perhaps the Prot north WAS successfull by "exploiting other peoples labour", as you put it, but it is precisely that tendency; the tendency toward bureaucracy and generating wealth for wealth's sake, which Weber explains.
tomsega 2 years ago
you're confused. there is no Italy to "control" Europe with Catholicism since Italy for the most of its history is an amalgam of city-states. Colonies, for example, whether colonized by england or spain have remained poor
English colonies/territories = nigeria, south africa, zimbabwe, sudan, sri lanka, kenya, india (pakistan, bangladesh). These english protestant colonies/territories are some of the poorest in the world, racked by constant coup d' etat, instability, and murder.
tacotony24 2 years ago
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tomsega 2 years ago
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You're pedantic. Of course I'm aware Vatican city is its own state, the point is S.Europe is Catholic and that power belongs with Latin-speaking Catholicism. With regards England 'colonising only poor countries' Weber never argued the protestant work ethic itself would be introduced to other cultures. In fact you benefit Weber in blurring colonialism and imperialism: those countries colonised (USA, UK) are Western capitalist, whereas imperial realms, without the Prot ethic, "have remained poor"!
tomsega 2 years ago
(USA and Australia, rather)
tomsega 2 years ago
drop the "pedantic" talk - I'm just a regular guy making an argument. Why bring the Vatican when it is not even in our argument - unless if you have a hidden agenda. By the way, UK is not a colonized country - it is a colonizer!
tacotony24 2 years ago
You quite discourteously began your reply with "you're confused", so I thought id' be appropriate to start mine with "you're pedantic" seeing as you picked on a brief sentence I had relegated to brackets. Seeing as this time your main line of attack is picking on a (clearly corrected) typo rather than bothering to make the case for anything, that gives me some sense I've won this discussion, although that wasn't my intention and I am entirely open to your long-thought-out opinions on Weber. Ciao
tomsega 2 years ago
obviously you made mistakes in your previous arguments (whether you view this as immaterial or not) despite your denial but you're liable to your opinion. Ciao
tacotony24 2 years ago