@AceofDlamonds Good question. I think if it is played correctly it doesn't put too much strain on the wrist. And when blocking topspin, you do need to counter the topspin regardless of which grip you use.
@pingskills Whenever i use the topspin i always seem to have my wrist bent,is there any technique or like a piece of equipment i can use to keep it straight,i know it's a big factor.
@liontoxicatorR We don't get much room here to answer in detail. It sounds like this might need a bit of discussion. It might be best if you post a question on our website under the Ask the Coach section!
Hey Alios, i just wanted to ask, i usually like to strike the ball flat out, no top spin,i feel it's harder to block/return, but whenever i watch professionals play they always use topspin why is that ?
I have a very simple observation. In the penhold grip...backhand becomes more difficult. However, (and I am NO EXPERT at ALL in this sport) could a simple solution possibly be just to wrap the middle finger around as well as the pointer thus continuing to keep the crossover point eliminated yet making backhand easier. I'm sitting here holding my bat and I've even played a bit like this and it seems to work pretty well. Any thoughts?
@meandonlyme1998 Good question. I'm not really sure how to answer this one. Maybe try posting this on our website under our Ask the Coach section and we'll get a real answer for you!
Hey I have a Duel on Monday Do You Think You Can Help Me? How Can I practice in Home? In not a professional! Please can you give me some tips? Thanks :) Im Venezuelan
@raegiorem it's really a personal preference. What grip do you feel most comfortable with. Another consideration might be which grip can you get the best coaching for where you live.
@pingskills Well, our coach said penhold is better so i gave it a try. but im having a hard time using it, but I think I just need more practice, so thanks anyway :))
@raegiorem I don't think it is better as such. There are great players who have used the penhold grip and there are great players who have used the shakehand.
As you say though, everything requires more practice :) Keep working hard and you'll make progress.
@pingskills One last thing, the problem is we dont have a ping pong table in our house, so I just randomly hit the ball and let it bounce on the wall. Is it ok? or it will affect my actual performance during a match because of that practice?
@raegiorem If you don't have a table then hitting against a wall can help. In fact if you look at our free lessons on our website, you'll find one called practicing alone. This will give you some more ideas on how you can practice without a table.
I hold shakehand but I need help, it feels awkward having my hand so far up the bat and having my forefinger pointing horizontaly, so I hold it a little lower and have my forefinger almost vertical(but not in the way) I need to change grip for a backhand, is that okay?
@GooGooGaGa10 Take a look on our website as we have a lesson on the shakehand grip. We have also just answered a question via video about changing your grip during a rally so check out ask the coach or our search for the video on our channel. Basically it is OK to have a small change in grip as long as you are not getting caught out with the wrong grip and losing points. Good luck!
Hi! I've recently watched your video and I was quite surprised with my hand position because when I hold using the penhold grip backhand, my wrist automatically gives it an angle with the red face facing upwards instead of straight or downwards and to make my paddle straight or face downwardsI have to force it and its really uncomfrotable is this normal?
@vblings The problem is that we are shakehand players so know a lot more about this style of play. A lot of our tutorials are still applicable to the penhold grip as the basic principles do not change.
Excellent video! As a beginner penholder, I definitely improved thanks to this alone! But I'm still a bit awkward with my thumb position. I find my thumb applies pressure more towards the reverse side of the racket for a backhand, and for a forehand, the pressure sort of "rolls" onto the forehand side of the racket. Is this normal? Or should my grip be fixed at all times? Thanks again, Pingskills!
@poopootae I'm glad you found it useful. It is OK to have a small variation in grip between the backhand and forehand. As long as it is seamless to switch from backhand to forehand and vice versa.
it took me about 1 summer of practice to get comfortable to play it in game situation - for my friends and it, it tends to generate more power than the forehand (when the forehand doesn't get the left foot power step forward)
I love ur video very much. I changed grips for almost 5 times and i think i prefer pen hold more. I just started playing table tennis a few months ago, and i still have problems with my back hand, every time i hit the ball, it either goes to side or i hit too far away, can anyone help me??
Great videos, but PLEASE# PLEASE PLEASE invest in a pop filter for your recordings. Every time you use a P or B it sounds HORRIBLE! POP FILTER and i would buy your videos!
@gulligagardinen The main thing to concentrate on is brushing the ball on the side. To get a lot of spin you need to brush the ball and have your bat moving quickly.
@gulligagardinen so one important thing is use all the weight of your buddy ... and try to move very fast your bat ... but anyway it also depends of the kind of rubber that U use :)
does learning penhold grip help you play better with shakehand? Because I want to learn penhold but not as my main way to play and I dont wanna waste all that potential practice time learning it
As a 1300 level pen hold player from USA, I find it quite difficult for me to forehand a backspin. I've tried looping and trying to hit the ball earlier with my normal forehand stroke (as shown in this video) but I must be doing it wrong because I have about a 10% accuracy and no confidence in it. Can you guys make a penhold loop video or just a penhold part 2 or something? It's been over a year since this one!
@Kakashinoor Especially with the forehand loop, the principles are very similar for both the shakehand and penhold grips. Try watching the videos on our website about the forehand loop and concentrate on the start and finish position of the stroke. This will be the same and if you can get these right you are well on your way to being able to play it consistently.
no white(caucasian/or black) . i mean .non asian player use penholder.. can you tell why?..cause they don`t wanna be to follow what is best,, another word they thought they`re more smarter than asian......as u can see till now ..who is dominated world table tennis...answer it!!!!
@jetleeming I'm white (non-Asian) but play "RPB". I think it's gradually becoming more popular worldwide. Remember it's still a fairly new thing even in China. Traditional penhold is arguably inferior to shakehand.
Matt, Nice Job. Thank you both for the video. I love the penholder grip. For this style foot work is so important. I'm glad to see matt bends his knees and crouches when he is moving. I think you transition from one position to another much better this way. My problem is that I'm 6'3". Oh well, my problem...
Hm...I'm just a casual player, but when I first started, I held my paddle in a fashion similar to this, just because I thought it was unique and different. Interesting to find out now that there's a name to it with a good video describing the method better for me.
@choiwlee i play this guy who has antispin on the back of his japanese penhold blade and when i serve fast to his backhand he chops and it is very annoying
@extremetabletennis16 Thanks for your response. I have never used antispin rubber. It is more of a defensive rubber I think. Can it be used effectively as an offensive drive/topspin?
Nice video. However, I have a very unique grip. I hold the paddle with just my pinky and my thumb and I use my other fingers to stablize and keep the paddle flush or as angled as I need it. It works with my backhand which is not a typical backhand. There are several ways but each one has to find there own and what works. You guys should do a video on different paddle types. Thanks and great channel
Traditionally a penholder would only use one side of the bat. But nowadays most people starting out with the penhold grip are also learning the "reverse penhold backhand" (rpb) which uses the other side of the bat.
@arash1902 the penhold style yr talking about is the japanese penhold style which only has a rubber on one side, in this video they are using the chinese style penhold which has two sides of rubber.
the part at 1:24 is a load of crap, you dont have to switch sides for the shake hand grip either. Using the penhold grip he repositions the direction of the paddle to prevent from changing sides, you can do the exact same thing using shake hand grip.
1:24 shows the obvious advantage of having range over the shakehand grip. Shakehand doesn't have the excellent blocking range of the penhold grip, which can even block in the middle, and is designed really for being able to play an all around close to the table game. I do believe you are mistaken by your assessment of the video. Penhold players may have bad backhands, but they have super blocking, and incredible forehand range and impressive loops to make up for the lack in game play.
im not saying penhold is not a very good method, I am just saying I can use the shakehand method and do exactly what the kid does to prevent having to turn to the other side of the paddle, hence, I wouldnt say that is a distinct advantage of penhold if I can do the same thing with a shakehand grip.
now that I look at the way I hold a paddle, I dont use either of those grips. Somehow I evolved my grip from shakehand to a deformed shakehand where when "shaking hands" with the paddle it is horizontal and not vertical. Aie Aie Aieee...
Hi i'm a beginner at ping pong. I'm not horrible and I can get 15 to 20 hit rallies. I use "pen holder" but I'm not sure. My korean friends taught me to put my index finger and middle finger over the front face of the paddle or bat or waht ever. But yeah I need some help and advice on how to become a better player. Ne tips?
However, i feel the video failed to highlight the most obvious virtue of the the penhold grip, which is for many the deciding factor in making the swap over. The extra money that can be diverted to beer and other practically harmless vices, from only have to purchase a single rubber.
If you are conscious of appearing a bit cheap, then you have serious personal issues, which cannot be addressed over youtube, but a liberal coating with a permanent marker will suffice as a temporary solution.
The combination of arm movement and just enough to wrist movement at point of contact can create a lot of spin. Try it next time.
Take a look at Ma Lin and Wang Hao in any of the vids, and watch carefully when they pull their forehand back to swing. You'll notice that their paddle is angled further back than the parallel of their hand. They do this so that they can use a lot of wrist movement at contact. Also, their wrist is fully extended in the other direction after the swing.
He doesn't seem to have enough wrist movement in his forehand. One of the major advantages of penhold is that you can get a lot of spin by flicking the wrist up at the moment of impact with the ball.
Man took me today just to find this vid, now i can improve my skills with pen hold because during the summer i wasn't play as i would during school years
Hmm might give this a try. Doesnt look so awkward now that I've seen good form.
jebwatson 3 days ago
@jebwatson Good luck!
pingskills 3 days ago
I was wondering how to put right and left spin on a ball while using the penhold technique???
kingspartan375299 1 week ago
@kingspartan375299 To put sidespin on the ball you need to brush the ball on the side of the ball. This will get the ball spinning around.
pingskills 4 days ago
I wonder, doesn't the Reverse penhold backhand strain the elbow/wrist quite a lot?
Also, I think penholders block topspin shots downwards don't they? Because otherwise it looks as if the ball would fly off of the table.
AceofDlamonds 2 weeks ago
@AceofDlamonds Good question. I think if it is played correctly it doesn't put too much strain on the wrist. And when blocking topspin, you do need to counter the topspin regardless of which grip you use.
pingskills 2 weeks ago
@pingskills Whenever i use the topspin i always seem to have my wrist bent,is there any technique or like a piece of equipment i can use to keep it straight,i know it's a big factor.
liontoxicatorR 4 weeks ago in playlist 1 table tennis
@liontoxicatorR We don't get much room here to answer in detail. It sounds like this might need a bit of discussion. It might be best if you post a question on our website under the Ask the Coach section!
pingskills 4 weeks ago
@pingskills Okay,il be posting on the forums shortly.
liontoxicatorR 4 weeks ago in playlist 1 table tennis
@liontoxicatorR Great. I'll tell Alois to watch out for your question.
pingskills 4 weeks ago
Hey Alios, i just wanted to ask, i usually like to strike the ball flat out, no top spin,i feel it's harder to block/return, but whenever i watch professionals play they always use topspin why is that ?
Thank you !
liontoxicatorR 1 month ago
well i play shakehand and im going to try penhold i hope i can get it down good!
DereKkMuRR 1 month ago
@DereKkMuRR Good luck!
pingskills 1 month ago
I have a very simple observation. In the penhold grip...backhand becomes more difficult. However, (and I am NO EXPERT at ALL in this sport) could a simple solution possibly be just to wrap the middle finger around as well as the pointer thus continuing to keep the crossover point eliminated yet making backhand easier. I'm sitting here holding my bat and I've even played a bit like this and it seems to work pretty well. Any thoughts?
chunkyostrich 1 month ago
@chunkyostrich
I didn't try it whilst playing, but it seems that the forehand angle is a bit different and the general pressure is harder too...
It's just another feeling, I don't think I'd like to play like this...
SuperChessboy 1 month ago
This video is extremely well-made. It is easy to understand, broken down well, and thorough. Good job guys!
Wkesi2 1 month ago
@Wkesi2 Thanks!
pingskills 1 month ago
i don't understand why they played out the instucters voice with music?
claymathhews21 2 months ago
@claymathhews21 We just thought it would make the video more interesting.
pingskills 2 months ago
@pingskills but its too loud..
Golden2Talon 1 month ago
@Golden2Talon Yeah sorry about that. We are getting better at producing our videos now so hopefully all our newer videos have better volume levels.
pingskills 1 month ago
what is reverse penhold?
FifaLinkuz 2 months ago
@FifaLinkuz 5:42
Sm3gH3adx 1 month ago
hey I have a question...
In what situation will you use the Japanese Penhold Grip Stroke??? (The one that mimics a sword drawing attack like samurais... ^^)
tnx
meandonlyme1998 2 months ago
@meandonlyme1998 Good question. I'm not really sure how to answer this one. Maybe try posting this on our website under our Ask the Coach section and we'll get a real answer for you!
pingskills 2 months ago
@pingskills hehe okdoks! ^^
meandonlyme1998 2 months ago
reverse penhold is a bitch
Sm3gH3adx 2 months ago
Thanks a lot pingskills - You have helped me improve more and more with your tutorials. Keep it up :)
MU84R1K 3 months ago
@MU84R1K You're welcome!
pingskills 2 months ago
Hey I have a Duel on Monday Do You Think You Can Help Me? How Can I practice in Home? In not a professional! Please can you give me some tips? Thanks :) Im Venezuelan
Zkayber 3 months ago
@Zkayber We actually have a video on how you can practice alone. Go to our website and check out our lessons page, you'll find it there.
pingskills 3 months ago
@pingskills Thank You Very Much I`ll Subscribe
Zkayber 3 months ago
@Zkayber Great. Make sure you check out our website too. Just Google for PingSkills!
pingskills 3 months ago
I'm a left handed person. So, is it okay for me to use the penhold? or can you please tell me what HOLD Is more appropriate for me. ty :)
raegiorem 3 months ago
@raegiorem it's really a personal preference. What grip do you feel most comfortable with. Another consideration might be which grip can you get the best coaching for where you live.
pingskills 3 months ago
@pingskills Well, our coach said penhold is better so i gave it a try. but im having a hard time using it, but I think I just need more practice, so thanks anyway :))
raegiorem 3 months ago
@raegiorem I don't think it is better as such. There are great players who have used the penhold grip and there are great players who have used the shakehand.
As you say though, everything requires more practice :) Keep working hard and you'll make progress.
pingskills 3 months ago
@pingskills One last thing, the problem is we dont have a ping pong table in our house, so I just randomly hit the ball and let it bounce on the wall. Is it ok? or it will affect my actual performance during a match because of that practice?
raegiorem 3 months ago
@raegiorem If you don't have a table then hitting against a wall can help. In fact if you look at our free lessons on our website, you'll find one called practicing alone. This will give you some more ideas on how you can practice without a table.
Good luck!
pingskills 3 months ago
Thanks for the lesson and suggestions!
scatignani 4 months ago
@scatignani You're welcome.
pingskills 4 months ago
이걸표본이라고 올린건감???내가초록새옷입은사람처럼 쳐서 욕을바가지로 먹었는데..저렇게쳐서 지금 자세 교정하느라 애먹는중인데 저렇게치면 안됨 백스윙안되고 팔꿈치 뒤로 나감안되고 손목이완전 들려있어서 완전추함 그래도 나보단났다
rhkdehd4560 6 months ago
I use the penhold and I never use the backhand. I use some kind of horizontal topspin with like a defense cut. I can't explain better, sorry
BeatUnknownbox 6 months ago 2
Thank you. This is exactly what I'm looking for.
lyricalgza 6 months ago
oohhh yeah!!!!! thnx u very much.......
penhold is great
snantafrd 6 months ago
What paddles are you guys using? im looking for a paddle from butterfly but i dont know which one to get...
MetroSniffStudios 7 months ago
@MetroSniffStudios We are using the PingSkills touch with Vega Pro. We sell these on our website.
pingskills 7 months ago
I hold shakehand but I need help, it feels awkward having my hand so far up the bat and having my forefinger pointing horizontaly, so I hold it a little lower and have my forefinger almost vertical(but not in the way) I need to change grip for a backhand, is that okay?
GooGooGaGa10 7 months ago
@GooGooGaGa10 Take a look on our website as we have a lesson on the shakehand grip. We have also just answered a question via video about changing your grip during a rally so check out ask the coach or our search for the video on our channel. Basically it is OK to have a small change in grip as long as you are not getting caught out with the wrong grip and losing points. Good luck!
pingskills 7 months ago
@pingskills thanks alot!:)
GooGooGaGa10 7 months ago
@GooGooGaGa10 You're welcome.
pingskills 7 months ago
Isn't the backhand push a little bit too high?
mingcheng123 7 months ago
Hi! I've recently watched your video and I was quite surprised with my hand position because when I hold using the penhold grip backhand, my wrist automatically gives it an angle with the red face facing upwards instead of straight or downwards and to make my paddle straight or face downwardsI have to force it and its really uncomfrotable is this normal?
novabrine 7 months ago
sweet music
cwaite20 7 months ago
Could you upload more penhold tutorials? This is good but it seems this is only penhold tutorial in your videos.
vblings 7 months ago
@vblings The problem is that we are shakehand players so know a lot more about this style of play. A lot of our tutorials are still applicable to the penhold grip as the basic principles do not change.
pingskills 7 months ago
My backhand is powerful
SniperRifle357 7 months ago
I am a penholder
SniperRifle357 7 months ago
Excellent video! As a beginner penholder, I definitely improved thanks to this alone! But I'm still a bit awkward with my thumb position. I find my thumb applies pressure more towards the reverse side of the racket for a backhand, and for a forehand, the pressure sort of "rolls" onto the forehand side of the racket. Is this normal? Or should my grip be fixed at all times? Thanks again, Pingskills!
poopootae 8 months ago
@poopootae I'm glad you found it useful. It is OK to have a small variation in grip between the backhand and forehand. As long as it is seamless to switch from backhand to forehand and vice versa.
pingskills 7 months ago
it took me about 1 summer of practice to get comfortable to play it in game situation - for my friends and it, it tends to generate more power than the forehand (when the forehand doesn't get the left foot power step forward)
vinni522 8 months ago
I love ur video very much. I changed grips for almost 5 times and i think i prefer pen hold more. I just started playing table tennis a few months ago, and i still have problems with my back hand, every time i hit the ball, it either goes to side or i hit too far away, can anyone help me??
TheNerdyTannator 9 months ago
What is the best paddle for penhold under 50$? And what is th difference?
evanfbit 9 months ago
i like penhold
wangsam988 9 months ago
should i use a dhs skyline or dhs hurricane for my forehand
wluc1 10 months ago
@wluc1 It is really a personal choice. Which do you like better?
pingskills 9 months ago
Great video. Really help getting the main strokes down for the penhold grip.
LordNibbler2300 10 months ago
@LordNibbler2300 Glad you liked it.
pingskills 10 months ago
Great videos, but PLEASE# PLEASE PLEASE invest in a pop filter for your recordings. Every time you use a P or B it sounds HORRIBLE! POP FILTER and i would buy your videos!
lclaycomb 10 months ago
@lclaycomb thanks for the tip. I've not heard of a pop filter before.
pingskills 10 months ago
how do I make a hard sidespin serve with the penhold grip?
gulligagardinen 11 months ago
@gulligagardinen The main thing to concentrate on is brushing the ball on the side. To get a lot of spin you need to brush the ball and have your bat moving quickly.
pingskills 11 months ago
@gulligagardinen so one important thing is use all the weight of your buddy ... and try to move very fast your bat ... but anyway it also depends of the kind of rubber that U use :)
hectp11 10 months ago
wow great video, I am now so much more confident with penhold, can not wait for some basement table tennis!
DWILLMVP1 11 months ago
@DWILLMVP1 I'm glad you liked the video.
pingskills 11 months ago
how about reverse backhand?
wesley621375 11 months ago
@wesley621375 It's in there from about the 6:00 mark.
pingskills 11 months ago
strange loop
worapongable 11 months ago
i got some difficulties with the Korean/Japanese backhand as it keeps getting a sidespin,any help?
tabletennispenhold 1 year ago
@tabletennispenhold You could try asking this question on the ask the coach section of our website and see if we can find any answers for you.
pingskills 1 year ago
@tabletennispenhold
me too have same problem, when i hit the ball with chinese backhand, the ball goes spinned and side, not straight, :S
CrashThomasRacing 1 year ago
does learning penhold grip help you play better with shakehand? Because I want to learn penhold but not as my main way to play and I dont wanna waste all that potential practice time learning it
lolirockso 1 year ago
Omg AL! Best trainer
V3NOMgamingCOD 1 year ago
A very good video!
hkjkdsifu 1 year ago
Aykuncum, pazartesi bu forehand'ı çalışacağız ona göre...
rahip 1 year ago
As a 1300 level pen hold player from USA, I find it quite difficult for me to forehand a backspin. I've tried looping and trying to hit the ball earlier with my normal forehand stroke (as shown in this video) but I must be doing it wrong because I have about a 10% accuracy and no confidence in it. Can you guys make a penhold loop video or just a penhold part 2 or something? It's been over a year since this one!
Kakashinoor 1 year ago
@Kakashinoor Especially with the forehand loop, the principles are very similar for both the shakehand and penhold grips. Try watching the videos on our website about the forehand loop and concentrate on the start and finish position of the stroke. This will be the same and if you can get these right you are well on your way to being able to play it consistently.
pingskills 1 year ago
thanks so mutch for this video! it was very usefully.
gulligagardinen 1 year ago
@gulligagardinen You're welcome. I'm glad you liked it.
pingskills 1 year ago
What if you're using one of those Japanese cork penhold paddles? They only have rubber on one side so how would I counter topspin?
kevtyan 1 year ago
@kevtyan If you've only got rubber on one side then you won't be able to play the Reverse Penhold Backhand.
pingskills 1 year ago
@NC56Fiesta Your welcome.
pingskills 1 year ago
what is he rated?
herlequin 1 year ago
@herlequin We don't use the rating system that the US does.
pingskills 1 year ago
@wenotubeyou lol i did the same thing except i didnt buy one i carved one out of a shake hand blade :P.... there are a few clips on my channel
decoyla 1 year ago
really nice I start in ping pong and I learn with your technique it so nice
reviewpaintball911 1 year ago
@wenotubeyou Great. Good luck with your Table Tennis.
pingskills 1 year ago
Thank you for the good tips very good video!!!!
I´m a Penholder and I love those Techniques
very very cool!!!
Kwonghun 1 year ago
im a penholder but im comfortable with the chinese style. i can also play shakehand
yobmas722 1 year ago
is penhold grip better than shake hand grip? which grip do professionals use more or they use a combination of both in one play?
nlsnestevez 1 year ago
@nlsnestevez
shakehold grip is the most commonly used grip in the world. most chinese players use the penhold grip, but its rare to find europeans using it.
MrObame 1 year ago
aight, almost the same nickname :x
pingskillz 1 year ago
is it legal to change styles in between rallies? like exchanging between penhold and shakehand after every shot you make?
tawatayohaha 1 year ago
Thanks. nice vid. i think i might beat my bud with a litle training on this.
ZeaMoore4 1 year ago
real men play penholder
angryscottishdude 1 year ago 67
@angryscottishdude
yup
TheBobobot 1 year ago
@pingskills i have eye glasses. Is it allowed in competitions?
terminatorjason 1 year ago
@terminatorjason Yup it is allowed.
PreppyPoser1 1 year ago
no white(caucasian/or black) . i mean .non asian player use penholder.. can you tell why?..cause they don`t wanna be to follow what is best,, another word they thought they`re more smarter than asian......as u can see till now ..who is dominated world table tennis...answer it!!!!
jetleeming 1 year ago
@jetleeming in my university, there's a black guy uses penhold, but his movement just a little bit funny.
qskyq 1 year ago
@jetleeming I'm white (non-Asian) but play "RPB". I think it's gradually becoming more popular worldwide. Remember it's still a fairly new thing even in China. Traditional penhold is arguably inferior to shakehand.
rickdudesterman 1 year ago
Man I just can't get the backhand shot very good with this grip.. I'll keep working on it... xD
txkyle2013 1 year ago
obv chinease ppl are masters on table tennis
badboymilorad 1 year ago
First things first.
Matt, Nice Job. Thank you both for the video. I love the penholder grip. For this style foot work is so important. I'm glad to see matt bends his knees and crouches when he is moving. I think you transition from one position to another much better this way. My problem is that I'm 6'3". Oh well, my problem...
Thanks Again.
P0rkn 1 year ago
hi sir.,.,., can you teach us more pen hold tricks.,.,. specially the spins.,.,.,.
carlolouis1 1 year ago
Can you explain how to serve with the penhold. Cuz when I see Ma Lin serving he's not serving with the penhold itself... is he?
Thanks in advance
MrTwixinator 1 year ago
hahaha wrong techniques so wrong
anarsolmon 1 year ago
Happy 1 year aniversity for this video!
fullcabspin 1 year ago
He almost looks like he's gonna smile at some point xD
PreppyPoser1 1 year ago
i jus notice the horse stance on the azn dude
aghost153 1 year ago
Hm...I'm just a casual player, but when I first started, I held my paddle in a fashion similar to this, just because I thought it was unique and different. Interesting to find out now that there's a name to it with a good video describing the method better for me.
BamboozledByAnime 1 year ago
To all people who thinks the kid's movements are kind of unnatural, it's really natural for a skinny person to move like that.
takkyuHero 1 year ago
don't use shakehand paddles to show penhold grip
pwcw221 1 year ago
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Im used to a long handle when using rbp..does the c-pen hurt your finger when you do rbp??
harrypotter12377 1 year ago
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Im used to a long handle when using rbp..does the c-pen hurt your finger when you do rbp??
harrypotter12377 1 year ago
Im used to a long handle when using rbp..does the c-pen hurt your finger when you do rbp??
harrypotter12377 1 year ago
thanks, I'm Korean/Japanese Penhold and I really needed help on my backhand technique
inohseverything 1 year ago 4
Matt's movement for backhand loop is way to big
XxPenguinsroxX 1 year ago
The rpb is commonly seen on Chinese penhold blade. Has anyone use the rpb with a Japanese penhold blade like the Butterfly Hinoki Senkoh 5-ply?
I use to the Japanese penhold blade with a single rubber sheet, but would like to try out the rpb technique.
Your comments appreciated.
choiwlee 2 years ago
@choiwlee i play this guy who has antispin on the back of his japanese penhold blade and when i serve fast to his backhand he chops and it is very annoying
extremetabletennis16 1 year ago
@extremetabletennis16 Thanks for your response. I have never used antispin rubber. It is more of a defensive rubber I think. Can it be used effectively as an offensive drive/topspin?
choiwlee 1 year ago
@choiwlee not really it's more for tricking your opponent coz they are used to normal rubbers when it comes back differently they make mistakes
extremetabletennis16 1 year ago
@extremetabletennis16 Yes I think so.
choiwlee 1 year ago
The rpb is commonly seen on Chinese style penhold blade, How is it on the Japanese penhold blade like say the Butterfly Hinoki Senkoh 5-ply blade?
I use the Japanese penhold square blade with a single sheet of rubber and now would like to try out the rpb technique.
Would a sticky/tacky rubber be ideal for the rpb?
choiwlee 2 years ago
Nice video. However, I have a very unique grip. I hold the paddle with just my pinky and my thumb and I use my other fingers to stablize and keep the paddle flush or as angled as I need it. It works with my backhand which is not a typical backhand. There are several ways but each one has to find there own and what works. You guys should do a video on different paddle types. Thanks and great channel
MidnightRunnerShow 2 years ago
Is it difficult to do a backhand push or block using the penhold grip?
bukaroo12 2 years ago
thank you.. this presentation help me lot in my weekend games.
makky1111q 2 years ago
"pinhole" grip?
otterboxiphone 2 years ago
i like how you guys make it seem so easy.
AinokeA365 2 years ago
Most of the penhold paddles have rubber on one side. Does it mean that the backhand shown in this video isn't very common?
arash1902 2 years ago 7
Traditionally a penholder would only use one side of the bat. But nowadays most people starting out with the penhold grip are also learning the "reverse penhold backhand" (rpb) which uses the other side of the bat.
pingskills 2 years ago 4
@arash1902 actually the number 1 of the world uses his penhold backhand a lot!
maxk880 8 months ago
@arash1902 the penhold style yr talking about is the japanese penhold style which only has a rubber on one side, in this video they are using the chinese style penhold which has two sides of rubber.
broro100 7 months ago
can somebody help me if i use penhold and i want to spin re4verse backhand... it appears that my fingers are too long ...
what to do now??
nuijnpwnsxD 2 years ago
Tuck them in, which is demonstrated here.
jellybeansinc 2 years ago
thanks i saw some grip that helps a bit more
nuijnpwnsxD 2 years ago
no offence but looks live matt is holding something valuable in his left hand during this reverse backhand
JJchingy 2 years ago 2
siomaybakar, stop being a stupid inmature crybaby and grow up
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siomaybakar 2 years ago
look up clips of players like Wang Hao or Ma Lin and see how "gay" it is. they have skills and precision your "gay" ass could not even fathom.
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siomaybakar 2 years ago
the part at 1:24 is a load of crap, you dont have to switch sides for the shake hand grip either. Using the penhold grip he repositions the direction of the paddle to prevent from changing sides, you can do the exact same thing using shake hand grip.
jopeters 2 years ago
1:24 shows the obvious advantage of having range over the shakehand grip. Shakehand doesn't have the excellent blocking range of the penhold grip, which can even block in the middle, and is designed really for being able to play an all around close to the table game. I do believe you are mistaken by your assessment of the video. Penhold players may have bad backhands, but they have super blocking, and incredible forehand range and impressive loops to make up for the lack in game play.
PreppyPoser1 2 years ago
im not saying penhold is not a very good method, I am just saying I can use the shakehand method and do exactly what the kid does to prevent having to turn to the other side of the paddle, hence, I wouldnt say that is a distinct advantage of penhold if I can do the same thing with a shakehand grip.
jopeters 2 years ago
now that I look at the way I hold a paddle, I dont use either of those grips. Somehow I evolved my grip from shakehand to a deformed shakehand where when "shaking hands" with the paddle it is horizontal and not vertical. Aie Aie Aieee...
jopeters 2 years ago
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siomaybakar 2 years ago
you really need a dose of reality.
Diuable 2 years ago
Ahahaha the asian kid looks so bored
Penhold; it works
AznKaat 2 years ago
Hi i'm a beginner at ping pong. I'm not horrible and I can get 15 to 20 hit rallies. I use "pen holder" but I'm not sure. My korean friends taught me to put my index finger and middle finger over the front face of the paddle or bat or waht ever. But yeah I need some help and advice on how to become a better player. Ne tips?
SpoonyInfidel 2 years ago
urgh i suck. i'm considering getting a robot to help me practice my RPB shots =.=
JonBlink 2 years ago
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744ceni 2 years ago
However, i feel the video failed to highlight the most obvious virtue of the the penhold grip, which is for many the deciding factor in making the swap over. The extra money that can be diverted to beer and other practically harmless vices, from only have to purchase a single rubber.
If you are conscious of appearing a bit cheap, then you have serious personal issues, which cannot be addressed over youtube, but a liberal coating with a permanent marker will suffice as a temporary solution.
jerry2477 2 years ago
thats very true, but only for korean penholders
tedbratton 2 years ago
Very helpful instructive video. We are all much indebted for the upload.
jerry2477 2 years ago 12
The combination of arm movement and just enough to wrist movement at point of contact can create a lot of spin. Try it next time.
Take a look at Ma Lin and Wang Hao in any of the vids, and watch carefully when they pull their forehand back to swing. You'll notice that their paddle is angled further back than the parallel of their hand. They do this so that they can use a lot of wrist movement at contact. Also, their wrist is fully extended in the other direction after the swing.
jamesjyu 2 years ago
He doesn't seem to have enough wrist movement in his forehand. One of the major advantages of penhold is that you can get a lot of spin by flicking the wrist up at the moment of impact with the ball.
jamesjyu 2 years ago
Man took me today just to find this vid, now i can improve my skills with pen hold because during the summer i wasn't play as i would during school years
Thanks Pingskills you own
Bartz59 2 years ago
Matt plays the forehand different between the other penhold players. It looks weird
kidchino2 2 years ago
OMG If you look closer, he looks like Wang Liqin!
takkyuHero 2 years ago
Finally a good vid for penholders!
I'm playing with it for 2 years now...
Since a short time I'm using the RPB in competitions too. I'll try these techniques now.
I hope that I prove that shakehand isn't the BEST grip just because everyone is using it.
jeroeniskoning 2 years ago