Takeda Ryu Tournament

[andyzoi]

I studied forms of traditional jujutsu but watching this i must say that a Judoka would be much more skilled in throws than here

[DunklerProphet1985]

@MeaRckY Iaido is the Art of drawing and immediately

cutting with a sword.

[JomeXX]

Very well put together video . GREAT!! music editing!

Thanks for the posting

[okami1972]

@JomeXX thank you!

[WienerVollblut]

I just can't understand, why you guys consider yourselves in any position to call Kobilza Ha a disgrace for budo.

As okami said, none of you can proof their skill with one single clip and you probably have never participated with one single training in Kobilza Ha, quite apart from any competition.

You'd better show some skill and respect before daring to offend somebody, who has plenty of both that clumsily. Otherwise you just make fools out of yourselves, judging something, you don't know ^^

[KoriKitti]

@WienerVollblut Hello sir! Would you mind telling me what "Kobilza Ha" is?

[SensieSanzashi]

Whats with the re-invention of the wheel? I mean really, does the world need yet another "NEW Budo" art form? Yadda yadda... in the end, it all boils down to the same raison d'etre and / or objective as being, "max. efficiency with min. effort!" Dare I write, kids, these techniques are for entertainment use only, please don't attempt any of these techniques on the street!

[okami1972]

That you don´t know Takeda Ryu doesn´t mean it is new. In fact this school exists more than 800 years. In my opinion efficiency is something that you can experience on the tatami but it is a waste of time to discuss it in theory, By the way: If you train budo for streetfighting than our approach to budo is as different as it can be...and I have no problem at all with different approaches as long as others respect that I have my own.

[SensieSanzashi]

800 years!...Here's a question: Who cares how long the style, ryu, or whatever system has been around, for if the stylist(s) performing the technique(s) look like crap, what does it matter!? Oh yes, please, and the original systems were never designed for real use / "in the street"! Give me a break! Walk the walk, talk the talk, and call it what it is!

What I do train for, is for certainty that what I am training in, will work, if called upon for self defense; this is BUDO!

[okami1972]

It is not important how old the style is! You wrote about "new budo styles" and I informed you that this one isn´t. This system doesn´t lack efficiency and I am sorry that you don´t like how it looks like! By the way streetfighting normally doesn´t look nice either. Sorry but considering all your stupid comments, presenting yourself as a big sensei with not even one vid uploaded you seem to be a strange little idiot! End of discussion!

[SensieSanzashi]

@okami1972 ..."end of discussion" for you maybe! But, expressing poor manners and being offensive through personal name calling, really shows you are from the street, "the ghetto!" FYI, this never was a discussion, in fact, it was ME expressing my opinion, and like it or not, in the world we live in, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If having and expressing my opinion makes me an idiot, then I dare say, you have just insulted a lot of people!

[okami1972]

@SS ...just expressing MY opinion about YOU and your manners!

[SensieSanzashi]

@okami1972...OK, and if you read my opinion, no where did I write anything against you personally! In fact, I think your techniques are performed very well; a mix of Judo, Aikido, Jiujutsu, Kenjiutsu, and karatedo, etc. Other than that, my opinion(s) were general in nature, in that referring to the name alone and / or the lineage and history of a particular style doesn't mean or shouldn't mean all that much; what is important are the students, and their expression of the ART of BUDO.

[Hbfantasy]

Tommorow i'm going to start takeda ryu am just 13 :D. Im really looking forward to it!

[BushidoBudo9000]

haha, how's your Takeda ryu going? Just thought I might ask :P

[Shinkatana420]

Also Kondo sensei has no clue who you are.

and you are just ripping off the Takeda name.

[okami1972]

For all the so called experts that claim to know about budo history: I would recommend to read the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten by Watatani Kiyoshi and Yamada Tadashi.

A special question to the life and death community: How many people do you kill per week in your budo training?

People like you that talk such nonsense are the real disgrace for budo and also for mankind!

[Shinkatana420]

your questions are nonsense...just like your art.

you turned Daito ryu into Judo???

only reason somone uses the Takeda name ,is to profit from it.

You couldn't do this in Japan or USA ,where real sensei are.

[Shinkatana420]

It was never called Takeda ryu??

The Takeda clan learned Yagyu Shinkage amoung other arts...later they called it daito ryu.

the tradition doesn't start with Takeda thus,it was never named after them.

Actully,Daito ryu Kenjutsu is an offbranch of Kintaro Shinto ryu via Yagyu.

its kinda kool to see a tourny like this,but like the other guys said...it is a disgrace to Budo.

Budo is for life and death...not a game.

your making a game out of Budo.why would you be proud of that?

[nadavmezamer]

GREETINGS from Sobokan Takeda-Ryu aikido-jujitsu dojo in ISRAEL! lol, we are the newest in the world-wide union

[erigbzh]

Shameless gits. maroteaux ha, kobilza ha, Kowabunga ha?

A disgrace for budo.

[Delmo67]

how is this a disgrace to Budo?

[erigbzh]

Just watch the vid. From a technical point of view, it's the poorest thing i've ever seen.

But the most pityful is to misuse the name of Takeda. The Takeda Caln, scholl and family have never allowed to create Takeda "ha" outside of their authorities. Roland Maroteaux, this fraud, dared to give his name to a "ha"? Kobilza did the same? How dare they to show themselves in a dojo?

[Aur0rah]

but i enjoy alot of the women aikimotion that is very aikidoesque

[Aur0rah]

this often just turns into some kind of judo

[okami1972]

..just wanted to add that this is not Daito Ryu!

[8dahar1]

Maroteaux!!!!!

[okami1972]

You are wrong! This is Takeda Ryu Kobilza Ha! We have got nothing to do with Mr. Maroteaux!

[8dahar1]

Daito Ryu!!! All the way!!

[okami1972]

Sorry, but you are wrong again!

The roots of Daito Ryu go back to the 16th century when Daito Ryu was founded from a part of the Takeda clan that changed its name after the loss of the Takedas in the civil war. From that time on there was a independent development of both branches.

[8dahar1]

What am I wrong about? I wasn't making any assertions. I simply said "Daito Ryu! All the way!!".

[maceioninjutsu]

WHAT CITY R U GUYS IN?

[okami1972]

Several countries in Europe: Austria, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, Spain, France, Luxembourg, Romania

[elfomyjr]

i need jukenpo rules, cuz i want to join to a jukenpo torunament.

[sabinebarry]

nice video! i especially liked the scene in which the referee is almost hit by the fukurojo. now that's "serious" fighting ;-)

hope you post some more.

greets from graz.

[elfomyjr]

i need jukenpo rules, cuz i want to join to a jukenpo torunament.

[InnerSilence123]

I liked the song!

whats that black thing they use inthe hand? what are those white sticks that they hit each other with whats the idea of that?

[okami1972]

It is called uchikote, a protection, and is used for sogo-randori.

The sticks are called fukurojo, bamboo with a white clothcover. We use these kind of weapons instead of using armour.

In the Takeda school we use fighting as part of our training, therefore we have randori exercises in every disciplin, including Aikido and a Iaido. The idea is to use randori to train skills that you can only develop in a kind of free fighting situation. A martial art is about fighting!

[MrNormalton]

This is not koryu bujutsu, and it doesn't claim to be, but some people are calling it koryu and it ain't.

[ideologger]

Also- what's with the white hakama? Just curious.

[okami1972]

In our school (Takeda Ryu Kobilza Ha) students wear white hakama and sensei blue hakama.

[ideologger]

I like the way the camera vibrates when people are slapping 'we will rock you' out on the mats. Cool looking effect. :)

[ysh1381]

this is great . i do jodo , but this is very excellent clip .

[Novum07]

Don´t have sense... I think. To stake out in that way...

[jerryace77]

Nice keep it,keep posting

[retardno002]

i do not know if i am to comment on this video but by the LOOKS this martial art is not as effective as others when it comes to real fighting out of a tournament, "street" fighting as ppl call it...

[Kurtagic]

It is really very effective, even when it comes to a ruleless fight. It has elements of BJJ, Judo, Sambo, Muay Thai, Karate, etc.

So with Takeda Ryu you should be very well prepared to do modern MMA!

[vanburikwouter]

in the first opinion you are right, because this is Korryu Bujutsu and Koryu self defence and martial arts are designed for defeating samurai with armor or in hakama and gi. but if you understand the true meaning and feeling of martial arts you know that you have mastered your martial art only if you can use it in any way, any time, anywhere. then you have truly mastered your martial arts and you are ready to teach others

[kyusho1]

Excellent! Thank you for sharing.

[immoonligh7]

this is...absolute trash.

i guess this is one of those other "martial arts".

minus the art.

[jeffilopho]

In every martial art you can find something interesting. And that's also why I took on Takeda Ryu Aikido. No one can judge others only by videos. People like you ought to learn attitude before starting to practice any martial art at all.

[ketsan]

Martial arts aren't around for their artistic merits or because of their aesthetic value.

"Art" in this context just means "skill".

[takezo1977]

takeda-ryu looks great...koryu is great!!!!!!!

bushispirit!!!!

[aikivaxo]

I think this is not Tomiki (shodokan) aikido. competition has Tomiki AIkido, there are World championships by rules of Japan Aikido Association (JAA). but here I have not seen aikido techniques, this is more like Jujutsu.

[okami1972]

You are absolutely right! As mentioned in the title as well as in the description of the video this is a Takeda Ryu Aikido competition by the rules of the International Society for Takeda Budo (ISTB).

[OXID101]

its coes this is Aikibudo (mix aikido and jujutsu) well i think

[MartialScience101]

There are pleanty good reasons to practice Kata... aside from physical conditioning or striking patterns/techniques there can be calming and spiritual aspects. It is a good idea to train live aside from Kata alone. The expierence and contact will help prepare for the similar situation.

[Novum07]

Very interesting but ¿Why to practice in kata during centuries then? It must be a good reason for that...

[okami1972]

Of course there is a reason for practicing kata. In the old kata you have compressed informations about basic principles. The repeated training of fixed forms is a very effective way to memorize details and so the kata helped perserve information through the generations. It was an old way of "information management". But still you always needed to learn how to apply these principles in the free fighting situation. Reading the manual of a car doesn´t mean you can automatically drive the car.

[Novum07]

Ok thank you. Another question: why the old masters like Gichin funakoshi, Ueshiba morihei, even Sokaku Takeda, never did was free combat?

[MartialScience101]

When one obtains master, I think philosophy comes into play. Understaning, caring, and teaching is more of the focus than a live fight or free combat situation at that level. The styles and arts also dictate how one trains. From my training expierce incorporating free fight has helped a great deal.

[okami1972]

I don´t know and I am afraid it is to late to ask them. But why do you consider people from the late 19th and 20th century as "old masters"? I am afraid I have a different understanding of history. These persons were founders of modern martial art sports, not masters of traditional budo. Besides: Sokaku Takeda had nothing to do with Takeda Ryu (beside the fact that he was from Daito Ryu which derived from Takeda Ryu in the 16th century). The family name Takeda is quite common in Japan.

[Marcoshary]

Is there any place we can read the rules? And what´s that black thing they use in their hands, something like a glove?

[Marcoshary]

Interesting!

[danilo666]

I agree with you, okami, unfortunatly in mexico we don't have akido like this, this is the famous aikido shodokan?, anyway great video.

[aikimlt]

Nice budo indeed but the true spirit of budo is no competition no tournaments. Budo The way of the warrior.oss

[okami1972]

I am sorry, but I have to disagree! It is a historical fact, that through the centuries there has always been competition in order to train the soldiers and to learn how to apply techniques under more realistic conditions. I personally don´t know a good fighter who learned how to fight by practicing only kata. I am sorry for you if you don´t have the possibility to fight in your system. You are very welcome to share our experience!

[JSAJunkie]

He's right - well partly ...

The true spirit of Budo did not have "games" competition or tournaments. The samurai (the last practitioners of Budo) would consider our MMA matches as games. They did have duels however. And in our pussified society duels are illegal, so games is as close as we get. If the Samurai were alive today they would approve of our tournaments for lack of something more pure. Then they would all commit Seppuku for the shame of existing in this world.

[okami1972]

I still disagree! Training and preparing for battle needs competitionlike exercises. Neither kata nor killing each other in duels is helpful when you want to develop fighting skills. And please stop explaining the true spirit of budo! This is not only ridiculous but also arrogant!

[MartialScience101]

Very nice demonstrations and applications. I am curious as to rules of engagement. Testing ones strengths and exposing your weakness to make it stronger is part of any martial art and/or combat sport. Training for competition or pure self defense incorporating a live fight/spar/roll will help far more than Kata. Good journey!

[KenBuDO]

nice ..