The new trend in North America among Christian evangelicals who are part of the MLM system is to bring God into the equation. They use God as a promo. This is by far a smack in the face of God due to the ever unethical acts committed by the MLM charletons.
There is only one ultimate goal in MLM...and that is to get into people's wallets. There is a reason that 97% supply the money for the 3%...and that is because 97% percent have a conscience...They end up realizing that all motives for friendship is a facade and has it's basis in manipulation. The back offices in MLM companies blatantly promote the manipulation tactics. It is rather disgusting...MLM has many elements of cults...Those who ruthlessly argue for it are the cult leaders.
To people who are saying that 90% are failing and 10 % are a success.Ask yourself why are the 10% success.Where they just lucky ,I mean thats why the 90% of people play lottery by hoping to get rich quick and 10% actually work on their business and themselves.You know if 90% are failing thats their problem the question is what are you going to do about it.Do you blame like others or you take control of your life.Dont you think that the 10% where in the same or even worse place as you whenstartin
@fuckmania07 more like the 1% succeed cause they were the more determinde and focused, while the other 99% quit either because they heard no a few times and just gave up(building a bussiness and client base takes time), or they quit for more personal reasons..its much more easier to find reasons why something wil fail than to find reason why it can succeed..which is a reason why many people quit anything in their life
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Handling Objections: Is MLM a Pyramid Scheme?
Understand the business first before opening your mouth. You have no credibilty. Listen to those who has like Robert Kiyosaki, Donald Trump, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Phil Zane Pilzer and many more. They all recommend MLM to public because its the only way an average joe to earn big bucks. If you are more credible than these guys talk other wise pls SHUT UP! YOU KNOW NOTHING about MLM!
You just dont have a clue about MLM.You just keep harping on Pyramid scheme claims. Whats wrong with pyramid? Its just a shape. What is the shape of US government, or typical corporation or even your school adminstration? Aren't they all in the same shape? Have you ever find a company where the CEO is paid lesser than his staff?
Are you qualified to make such claims in the 1st place?
Watch brilliant compensation by Tim Sales and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
A bit more knowledge about Ponzi scheme would make it clear, that pyramid scheme stands for abnormal money distribution. Under abnormal we dont complain about CEO earning more money, but about the fact that all MLM companies in average achieve rather a linear growth while the number of employes grow in a rather exponential way. Appart from raw numbers of billion dollars it is clear that an average MLM agent earns 100-200 dollars per month.
Further more it is possible to gain a lot of money by doing MLM however the total risk/ person is very high, in a global sense this means a summ fail in 90% of the cases. So in nutshell: if you sell 2 bananas and you do your work by employing people who do do the same, selling 2 bananas and employing other, then the total profit is 2 banana/person which means you can achieve profit of dozen while at the bottom thousends will suck with a half banana/month income.This stinks.
@somethingirreversib Your understanding about this is totaly wrong. 90% of people fails doesnt not happens only in MLM but in every sector in life be it in sports or business and even love. So why only mentioning MLM. 90% of people retires with less than few thousand dollars because they failed to achieve their dreams. Most of them do not have the desire or effort to achieve their dreams. Its same n MLM too.
The uplines do not sell their products their downlines. So your point is totaly wrong. They however gain a little overriding commission from the sales the downliners had done. It doesnt just happens in MLM, it also happens in any industry. Your supervisor earns certain amount of money from his team's performance and so does his manager from the supervisors' teams. This goes all the way up until it reaches the owners..Can you see the picture clearer now?
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@Xystosis Wheres that logic coming from.You know everyone in the world who is building an mlm business all these people are only just below 1% of earths population and more people are becoming 18 years old every year than the people who are dieing so your comment that the people run out is just mathematically impossible.So please people research before you say sth so everyone can benefit.
@boy577 You, sir, are an idiot. If everyone were required to recruit 8 people, then by the 7th level there would be over 2 billion people in system (since you're so mindblowing stupid, let me do the math 8^7= 2,097,152). There is not enough market base to even satisfy the 4th level, with 4096 people because the products MLMs sell are usually pure shit. So please shut the fuck up before you make yourself sound more stupid than you already are.
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The problem with MLM schemes of almost all types, legal or illegal, is that they destroy relationships. They turn friends, family, and trusted associations into TARGETS. I've watched MLM destroy previously healthy churches, families, and neighborhoods. Most of them rely on cult-like devotion. Most of them are immoral and disgusting.
Do Jobs Work Well For People? I know a lot of people HATE Their job. Jobs absolutely have someone who keeps track of all employees. The mangers is at the top - workers below. Job position are competitive (Scarcity). The home business industries give the MOST IMPORTANT asset of all: Giving people the mental & business tools and trainings TO SURVIVE, without depending on the Government. ENTREPRENEURS CREATE MONEY GENERATING SYSTEMS/FORMULAS TO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR THE REST OF THE PEOPLE.
some MLM companies are indeed schemes, but some a legitimate companies. It all depends on the product that is being sold and how much revenue is made through the sale of the PRODUCT vs. through recruitment. The amount of revenue from the product must be higher than revenue from recruitment. In short, MLM companies with their main revenue from recruitment = pyramid scheme. MLM companies with main revenue from product = legitimate.
FHTM relieves Judy Hammerschmidt of her General Counsel duties!
What a shocker. As of February 2011 Ms. Hammerschmidt is no longer listed as the FHTM General Counsel, or an attorney associated with FHTM, according to their own website.
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If you don't like marketers, then you better turn off your TV. You don't like pyramids, then you better not go to that job every day where your time is leveraged for the benefit of a company that is not yours, and you have no prayer of reaching the top.
@fuckmania07 truth of world 3% own 90% of Resources. 97% own 7% of resources... also, your MLM truth, where is the backing? It´s more like 75/25 and with middle classes shrinking everywhere... now would be a good time to revise your belief structure.
plus... sorry to say, outside a mushroom trip (and I lead Ayahuasca Ceremonies) You will not get by the system without using it. ya, earth brick ovens, housing... but $ moves materials, builds websites, spreads information. and MLM is one of the better ones I have seen to give you freedom. It is a third in priority income stream for me in the GOAL to end Capital Slavery with Sustainable Intentional Communities. TRY WORKING MORE :) All is with love btw, don´t take it seriously.
... simply put... this guy is an idiot..., If it´s on mainstream TV you can probably bet its for the benefit of BILLIONAIRES and not so much you...
Also, I promote Bright Earth Foods. A Superfood company and you know what I do, market from around the earth fulfilling amazonian preservation, permaculture projects, social reform. No other business but MLM would give me the luxery to make money ANY WHERE and do so much for the world at the same time.
@JonathanBuddBro MLM is used by big companies, It's a model that works. Not to say all companies are using the model honestly..Many make wild claims and complicated payout systems, hard to learn then you find out they are shaving %'s here and there etc. That's the real issue I think people have that gets them so apprehensive of any mlm model. I'm a member of a food Co-op, we get food credits, bonuses, shares of the company's total gross product sales and more. FREE FOOD... Yeah I'll take MLM
MLM wont work. When your work consists 90% of building the network and 10% percent of selling the product its still a ponzi scheme. The system can only work if the total price*sold products / people is enough. Consider the system cant expand exponential forever, which means the people on the bottom of the tree have to sell more and more. Finally when at the end, the leaves not only have to sell 10000$ each month, but they have to pay hard for the net above. Thats the point when its over.
@somethingirreversib You are mistaken..in the scenario you laid out there you are correct...but there are many many ways to use the "model" of mlm . You sound like you are throwing the baby out with the bath water to me.
You say MLM wont work when x=y y=z and so on...You think all versions of a mlm model equal to your formula? now come on you know better. I'm sorry if you have been burned by a scam artist using the mlm model but it doesn't mean the model is bad. Bad people use anything for bad
@somethingirreversib comparing a ponzi scheme to an MLM format is inaccurate..a ponzi scheme can ONLY make money by bringin in new people solely because there are no products or services bein sold
There are NO Pryramid schemes. That is a hype wash by BIG BUSINESS to keep down independant business owners from BELIEVING in THEMSELVES. Now, there ARE Stupid Business People who do not know how to manage money and networks and have created MLMs, couldn´t control the volume and jumped ship b4 they lost their profits... this is different. No Scheme besides stupidity.
But ya be VERY WARY of anyone who says INSTANT $, it takes work. I am promoting a great SUPERFOOD Free MLM
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What you hate is that you are not influential and not able to help other people to have success.
You probably have not taken the time or been introduced to successful people who know how to have success and can teach you to be influential and positive in your attitude so that you become a person of attraction that others want to work with you.
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I love how all of your accurate descriptions come from tv shows, hopefully you're not using them for financial advise. Check the video "I still think it's apyramid scheme" it's an accurate description of this conversation
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lol, not sure what you're against cause everything is marketing. YOu try to get a date you need to market yourself. All the brands of food you eat is because they successfully marketed to you. All the clothes you wear, etc. what's the problem with the business model of mlm?
After seeing some other than real multi level marketing scam people, I had a theory that multi level market was a excuse pun to disguise the pyramid scam intention since the pyramid scam breaks in multi levels of marketing, in reality recruiting people through products have earned themselves a reputation for such services while there were in fact people afterwards who used that system to in fact not get them any where at all possibly steal there money to make it even WORSE than getting anywhere.
I just got ript off from club sea breeze Kelly Williams. I joined and bought the travel membership and payed a yearly fee of 29.95 to stay an associate. Well I guess Kelly Williams wanted more money because he is making the yearly fee a monthly fee. If you don't pay it you get reduced commissions and then you loose your associate status. What a scam..
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MLM is a marketing strategy! Some like it some hate it... for example I hate corporate america. It is a pyramid scheme! Watch my video and you will see what I mean!
I will agree with one point though. I hate salesmen, even though I am technically one. I am a real estate agent, but I don't try to sell to people. I provide a service to people. I would never sell someone a house they couldn't afford or try to convince someone to sell their house if they haven't already been thinking about it. I help people find shelter, what is so sinful about that? I do expect to be rewarded for my service and effort, and I don't see anything wrong with that.
I meat more Us students that came with diferent progrms to my country and they ALL had student loans.
Just food for thought: one year to a Masters program (or college) costs here just around 500 Euro, this is because the state partially covers costs and there aren't many Private universities to drive the price UP. In the US this could be up to 20 times more :)
Dentist: 100 Euro for a medium teeth job
Man i wouldn't want to be sick with the high costs you have. See Michael Moor's "Sicko"
I'll admit that I am not familiar with the economy in Norway. So, how do universities and dentists get paid? Do they choose to work for little to no pay? Do they receive government subsidies? I think people should be paid what they are worth. I have no student loans because I didn't go to university, but I am doing much better financially than any of my friends who did. I have major issues with the idea that college is the key to success in this world.
That is all MLM is and it avoids traditional marketing. My other question is why do you hate capitalism? Capitalism is the only system that gives people true opportunity. It allows anyone from any upbringing to be successful. I have found that the only people who support socialism are people who can't make anything of themselves and think that no one else should either.
BUT i look around me, and see what this Jungle Capitalism has brought.
Schools Privatised (in the US most students finish education with HUGE Loans ). This is not the case in my country.
Health system Privatized : the US is one of the countries with the WORST health insurance (least number of people with health insurance, and that Can't afford health services).
I do agree with some of your points, but I do not think capitalism is at fault. You can go to school without any debt. Perhaps consumerism is more what you have a problem with. I am 100% capitalist, but I am not a typical materialistic consumer.
It is good that the problems are obvious to you, but what do you have in way of solutions?
BTW, I dont even have health insurance, dont even want it at this point. I go to the Dr once a year and just pay out of pocket, a lot cheaper.
@kuhlraum Read the shock doctrine. Capitalism has massive flaws in it. There's nothing wrong with nationalizing natural resources to be redistributed to infrastructure, rather than it's profits going straight in the pockets of guys who don't need anymore money. Take Alberta Canada. They privatized energy, and for some mystical reason one of the most energy rich places in the world pays RIDICULOUS energy rates. it's a sick system
As a preface I will say that you sound very close minded and uneducated. I do not do MLM, but there are some that have useful products that choose to use MLM as opposed to traditional marketing. Pyramid schemes have no useful service or product. I assume you smoke because you are a liberal, lets say your brand is "A lil more CO2 and methane in the atmosphere" and you get your friends to contribute to global warming with you, the company gives you a percentage for giving them new smokers.
It's funny how you bastardize anything MLM but the mlm model exists through out the main stream sales industry.
Any time you have a sales manager and a sales team, you will find a multi commission sales structure. This is so in real estate sales, car dealerships, mutual fund brokerages/financial services, virtualy any commissioned sales works like this.
I actually work for a financial company that functions as an MLM and is a very real and heavily regulated company (NASD, FINRA, -
insurance regulators and you also have to pass an FBI background to work for the company, yet it functions as an MLM.
So even though you may passionatly hate MLM, the business model it's self is very common and is a smart way to build an asset utilizing leveraged income as opposed to trading dollars for hours with linear income.
Also, amassing wealth is not bad. I enjoy being the "go to" person in my family and contributing to my community. Money just makes you more of who you alread are
Wow, what a tree hugging, hippie, flower child you are.
Look, I think most people (my self included) don't care for the over commercialized, materialistic society we all live in BUT the capitolistic, commercialized nature of our society is the very reason you don't live and sleep on a dirt floor eating mud pies with bugs for nutrition. Seems as though you have a computer to state your opinion on and electricity to run that computer. Seems like you are a participant in what you dispise.
Like I stated. Money only makes you more of who you are. So of course you think it's all bad because you are equating all of our worldly ills on the Bernard Madoff's out there.
What about philanthrapists that build and contribute to hospitals, parks, youth centers,schools. We also pay taxes which contributes as well. It's not just all corruption. We are all part of the same socio/economic infastructure which is commercial, capitolistic based.
Hey, I can respect the desire for change. I back you on that BUT regardless of your jaded attitue and blanket criminalization, legit product based MLM has it's place and in actuallity tends to thrive in bad economic times because more and more people look towards the home based business industry to take controll of their financial situation and not depend on shrinking paychecks/benefits.
I find it more selfish to work to feed ones own face than to build an asset that can benefit others. Peace
@Stagliano27 we are all in this, I didn't choose to be borned here, at this period of time, that's obious, but I dispite capitalism even if I live it everyday, I hate it because it brings trouble, it doesn't measure the impact it causes to the entire planet (not only humans) for you, I see that you just don't care if people is starving, and I would prefer sleeping on dirt actually my goal is to live without money, I respect you, but I will fight for the freedom that system tooked away from me
@atomixerick, Actually your point of view, while well meaning is misguided. Money is not the problem, human behavior IS. Ok, let's follow this train of thought. Take away the money and there will always be a need for a social balance between production of goods and services,supply and demand, hence the need for some kind of monitery/barter system. Even non westernized primitive cultures have their own such balances in place.-
Now, the problem does come to fruition with Western idealism in terms of excess and entitlement of materialism. Now, here is the juxtaposition. The concepts of money and capitolism (the ability to make money) are simply our barter system, gets criminalized because of our own human behavior. Again, take it ALL away and our corrupt nature will still manifest it's self in one way or another. So in reality, capitolism is not the problem.-
So the generalized corrupt association with money aside, the CURRENT reality of our socio/economic structure with millions of people CURRENTLY still starving, I ask you? Is it more noble to shun money and the ability to generate it and to live to feed one's own face, than to be in a position of wealth and Philanthropy to be able to feed the hungry.
I am a business owner and do contribute. You sir are wrong in your judgment with me about not caring if people are starving!
@atomixerick I would say that each culture lives with it's own difference lifestyles, but this global culture is raising is controled by the human behavior related to consume even things we don't "need" we just feel confortable or "better" we get a pleasure in exchange
The animated videos were disturbing. Why so bitter. If you don't like it MLM just don't do it. No one is forcing you are they? Why any one spends time and energy tearing anyone or anything down is beyond me. Tearing down does no good.
Have you ever bought a book from Amazon? They are one the largest affiliate marketers in the world. If you have not heard of affiliate marketing it is the name businesses use for there MLM. Amazon is an mlm company. So is Godaddy. Now days most are.
I spend time and Energy because i have certain convictions.
Some of them are that MLM's are bullshit SCAMS and are pushing people more towards love of money, material goods gained without WORK or MERIT or something being PRODUCED.
And NO, TEARING DOWN can be GOOD.
We tore down FASCISM, COMMUNISM, SLAVERY, SEGREGATION and CAPITALISM is NEXT, and the list is endless. And i HOPE MLM's will soon be on this list :).
You spend your time LEARNING NOTHING, CREATING NOTHING just trying to SCAM more and more people into your PYRAMID SCHEME with the prospect of EASY MONEY.
I think this is DETRIMENTAL to human society, just BREEDS ignorant, gready, MONEY loving people, caring only for themselves and it is not the kind of society i LIKE to live in, so i'm trying to SPEAK against it.
We are KILLING the PLANET, wasting all RESOURCES, letting POOR people DIE, and i am trying to let people know what THEY are doing.
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You go for it Tarfin! I loved the video even though I'm a network marketer. ("successful"??.. they're ALL successful apparently!!!).
But I'm a marketer who loves the industry.. not the money. It's a good thing to challenge thinking and maybe some people are in it for the wrong reasons.
Youhave every right to your own point of view. And I'd say you've been hurt somewhere along the way. And that should never have happened.
lol - your videos funny mate well put together, BUT give me a personal example of why MLM is a scam?.... instead of standing behind TV clips!! with the mindset you have YOU WILL NEVER succeed in running your own business....but thats ok some people are just not ready to take control of their lives, and to have what they truely desire in life...A Successful Home Business is possible, and their are ppl that make 100k a month all year round! they must be scamming half the world each day!haha
I now people that have wasted years chasing the dream of FAST and EASY MONEY in MLM organizations and achieved nothing
And this WEALTH that some members of the MLM's are making is based on the actual WORK/MONEY of the people at the base, and if the MLM does not produce any VALUE in the market (and most DO NOT) than this is just a SCHEME to move MONEY from LOTS of people to a FEW
Society is more and more today as a PYRAMID, that doesn't mean i have to like it
I really dont think you be blaming MLM on your misfortune... it is your responsiblity, to change what doesn't work in your business... your right some mlm'ers recruit and dont train their down line, if that is your case you must find someone that can help lead you to success...but in the end if you treat it like a hobby youl get hobby results! forget the 3 foot rule and look at attraction marketing its the future of online IM. good luck in what ever you do, i hope you succeed one day..
No you have not. You are a critic. Critics can only tear down. You have a lot of changing to do before you will ever be able to build something good. Let go and follow your own dream. Don't tear down others. Sorry you are so bitter. Some of the clips are funny.
It will go away right around the same time that Corporate America goes away. MLM gets stronger every day, and this little recession we have is only explodiong MLM.
This RECESSION is not as mild as you make it sound AND i still hope that some of the benefits of it will be to get rid of practices and MONEY HUNGRY people like you.
In this CRISIS only the people that can produce something of VALUE will get through alright.
CORPORATE AMERICA is a Pyramid scheme. You become a "PEST" when you are hunting people...you become LEADER when people hunt YOU. That is the difference!
Brilliant video!! Steve Carell from like 15 years ago!
Didn't agree with the "King Of Queens" clip of the "Pyramid Scheme" eventually collapsing. Amway / Quixtar has been in doing business since like 1959. When is the 'scheme' going to collapse??
The new trend in North America among Christian evangelicals who are part of the MLM system is to bring God into the equation. They use God as a promo. This is by far a smack in the face of God due to the ever unethical acts committed by the MLM charletons.
agrowingtime 1 week ago
There is only one ultimate goal in MLM...and that is to get into people's wallets. There is a reason that 97% supply the money for the 3%...and that is because 97% percent have a conscience...They end up realizing that all motives for friendship is a facade and has it's basis in manipulation. The back offices in MLM companies blatantly promote the manipulation tactics. It is rather disgusting...MLM has many elements of cults...Those who ruthlessly argue for it are the cult leaders.
agrowingtime 1 week ago
To people who are saying that 90% are failing and 10 % are a success.Ask yourself why are the 10% success.Where they just lucky ,I mean thats why the 90% of people play lottery by hoping to get rich quick and 10% actually work on their business and themselves.You know if 90% are failing thats their problem the question is what are you going to do about it.Do you blame like others or you take control of your life.Dont you think that the 10% where in the same or even worse place as you whenstartin
boy577 3 weeks ago
@boy577 you really think MML's work? I'm doing an over the top eye roll right now. That's all i have to say to you.
desboukis 1 day ago
@fuckmania07 more like the 1% succeed cause they were the more determinde and focused, while the other 99% quit either because they heard no a few times and just gave up(building a bussiness and client base takes time), or they quit for more personal reasons..its much more easier to find reasons why something wil fail than to find reason why it can succeed..which is a reason why many people quit anything in their life
carsonc29 2 months ago
You'll find your answer under this topic in youtube.
Handling Objections: Is MLM a Pyramid Scheme?
Understand the business first before opening your mouth. You have no credibilty. Listen to those who has like Robert Kiyosaki, Donald Trump, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Phil Zane Pilzer and many more. They all recommend MLM to public because its the only way an average joe to earn big bucks. If you are more credible than these guys talk other wise pls SHUT UP! YOU KNOW NOTHING about MLM!
cashthrunet 2 months ago
You just dont have a clue about MLM.You just keep harping on Pyramid scheme claims. Whats wrong with pyramid? Its just a shape. What is the shape of US government, or typical corporation or even your school adminstration? Aren't they all in the same shape? Have you ever find a company where the CEO is paid lesser than his staff?
Are you qualified to make such claims in the 1st place?
Watch brilliant compensation by Tim Sales and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
cashthrunet 2 months ago
A bit more knowledge about Ponzi scheme would make it clear, that pyramid scheme stands for abnormal money distribution. Under abnormal we dont complain about CEO earning more money, but about the fact that all MLM companies in average achieve rather a linear growth while the number of employes grow in a rather exponential way. Appart from raw numbers of billion dollars it is clear that an average MLM agent earns 100-200 dollars per month.
somethingirreversib 1 month ago
Further more it is possible to gain a lot of money by doing MLM however the total risk/ person is very high, in a global sense this means a summ fail in 90% of the cases. So in nutshell: if you sell 2 bananas and you do your work by employing people who do do the same, selling 2 bananas and employing other, then the total profit is 2 banana/person which means you can achieve profit of dozen while at the bottom thousends will suck with a half banana/month income.This stinks.
somethingirreversib 1 month ago
@somethingirreversib Your understanding about this is totaly wrong. 90% of people fails doesnt not happens only in MLM but in every sector in life be it in sports or business and even love. So why only mentioning MLM. 90% of people retires with less than few thousand dollars because they failed to achieve their dreams. Most of them do not have the desire or effort to achieve their dreams. Its same n MLM too.
cashthrunet 3 weeks ago
The uplines do not sell their products their downlines. So your point is totaly wrong. They however gain a little overriding commission from the sales the downliners had done. It doesnt just happens in MLM, it also happens in any industry. Your supervisor earns certain amount of money from his team's performance and so does his manager from the supervisors' teams. This goes all the way up until it reaches the owners..Can you see the picture clearer now?
cashthrunet 3 weeks ago
kesian..tak paham/jumpa lagi peluang sebenar.moga moga tuhan kau jumpakan kau dengan peluang yang betul.
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MLM cannot work, as soon, they would grow so big that there would be too much supply and no demand
Xystosis 4 months ago
@Xystosis Wheres that logic coming from.You know everyone in the world who is building an mlm business all these people are only just below 1% of earths population and more people are becoming 18 years old every year than the people who are dieing so your comment that the people run out is just mathematically impossible.So please people research before you say sth so everyone can benefit.
boy577 3 weeks ago
@boy577 You, sir, are an idiot. If everyone were required to recruit 8 people, then by the 7th level there would be over 2 billion people in system (since you're so mindblowing stupid, let me do the math 8^7= 2,097,152). There is not enough market base to even satisfy the 4th level, with 4096 people because the products MLMs sell are usually pure shit. So please shut the fuck up before you make yourself sound more stupid than you already are.
Xystosis 3 weeks ago
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haha hello to planet earth! :) if you dont like MLM turn off your TV dont watch advertisements because you too are also involve in networking.
agravante19 6 months ago
The problem with MLM schemes of almost all types, legal or illegal, is that they destroy relationships. They turn friends, family, and trusted associations into TARGETS. I've watched MLM destroy previously healthy churches, families, and neighborhoods. Most of them rely on cult-like devotion. Most of them are immoral and disgusting.
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some MLM companies are indeed schemes, but some a legitimate companies. It all depends on the product that is being sold and how much revenue is made through the sale of the PRODUCT vs. through recruitment. The amount of revenue from the product must be higher than revenue from recruitment. In short, MLM companies with their main revenue from recruitment = pyramid scheme. MLM companies with main revenue from product = legitimate.
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LouisDiBianco 11 months ago
If you don't like marketers, then you better turn off your TV. You don't like pyramids, then you better not go to that job every day where your time is leveraged for the benefit of a company that is not yours, and you have no prayer of reaching the top.
sanfromoju 11 months ago
@fuckmania07 truth of world 3% own 90% of Resources. 97% own 7% of resources... also, your MLM truth, where is the backing? It´s more like 75/25 and with middle classes shrinking everywhere... now would be a good time to revise your belief structure.
JonathanBuddBro 11 months ago
plus... sorry to say, outside a mushroom trip (and I lead Ayahuasca Ceremonies) You will not get by the system without using it. ya, earth brick ovens, housing... but $ moves materials, builds websites, spreads information. and MLM is one of the better ones I have seen to give you freedom. It is a third in priority income stream for me in the GOAL to end Capital Slavery with Sustainable Intentional Communities. TRY WORKING MORE :) All is with love btw, don´t take it seriously.
JonathanBuddBro 11 months ago
... simply put... this guy is an idiot..., If it´s on mainstream TV you can probably bet its for the benefit of BILLIONAIRES and not so much you...
Also, I promote Bright Earth Foods. A Superfood company and you know what I do, market from around the earth fulfilling amazonian preservation, permaculture projects, social reform. No other business but MLM would give me the luxery to make money ANY WHERE and do so much for the world at the same time.
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JonathanBuddBro 11 months ago
@JonathanBuddBro MLM is used by big companies, It's a model that works. Not to say all companies are using the model honestly..Many make wild claims and complicated payout systems, hard to learn then you find out they are shaving %'s here and there etc. That's the real issue I think people have that gets them so apprehensive of any mlm model. I'm a member of a food Co-op, we get food credits, bonuses, shares of the company's total gross product sales and more. FREE FOOD... Yeah I'll take MLM
hop2freefood2go 9 months ago
MLM wont work. When your work consists 90% of building the network and 10% percent of selling the product its still a ponzi scheme. The system can only work if the total price*sold products / people is enough. Consider the system cant expand exponential forever, which means the people on the bottom of the tree have to sell more and more. Finally when at the end, the leaves not only have to sell 10000$ each month, but they have to pay hard for the net above. Thats the point when its over.
somethingirreversib 9 months ago
@somethingirreversib You are mistaken..in the scenario you laid out there you are correct...but there are many many ways to use the "model" of mlm . You sound like you are throwing the baby out with the bath water to me.
You say MLM wont work when x=y y=z and so on...You think all versions of a mlm model equal to your formula? now come on you know better. I'm sorry if you have been burned by a scam artist using the mlm model but it doesn't mean the model is bad. Bad people use anything for bad
hop2freefood2go 9 months ago
@somethingirreversib comparing a ponzi scheme to an MLM format is inaccurate..a ponzi scheme can ONLY make money by bringin in new people solely because there are no products or services bein sold
carsonc29 2 months ago
There are NO Pryramid schemes. That is a hype wash by BIG BUSINESS to keep down independant business owners from BELIEVING in THEMSELVES. Now, there ARE Stupid Business People who do not know how to manage money and networks and have created MLMs, couldn´t control the volume and jumped ship b4 they lost their profits... this is different. No Scheme besides stupidity.
But ya be VERY WARY of anyone who says INSTANT $, it takes work. I am promoting a great SUPERFOOD Free MLM
JonathanBuddBro 11 months ago
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Heschkimo 1 year ago
@hhvf06: And once again here is HalfAss06 crying like a bitch, because he didn't have the balls to make it in Primerica!!! Well maybe if you didn't give such a half ass effort, but then again that is why your name is HalfAss isn't it?
jgilles85 1 year ago
Yep. Multi level marketing = Pyramid scheme. Just like Primerica.
hhvf06 1 year ago
What you hate is that you are not influential and not able to help other people to have success.
You probably have not taken the time or been introduced to successful people who know how to have success and can teach you to be influential and positive in your attitude so that you become a person of attraction that others want to work with you.
wellthmaker 1 year ago
@wellthmaker If you want to help other people, you can help other people by recommending them other ways to make money. You don't have to just put them on your downline.
TheSacJB 1 year ago
I do believe that being your own boss is a good thing. But not MLM.
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MyBeefree 1 year ago
lol, not sure what you're against cause everything is marketing. YOu try to get a date you need to market yourself. All the brands of food you eat is because they successfully marketed to you. All the clothes you wear, etc. what's the problem with the business model of mlm?
delli2011 1 year ago
After seeing some other than real multi level marketing scam people, I had a theory that multi level market was a excuse pun to disguise the pyramid scam intention since the pyramid scam breaks in multi levels of marketing, in reality recruiting people through products have earned themselves a reputation for such services while there were in fact people afterwards who used that system to in fact not get them any where at all possibly steal there money to make it even WORSE than getting anywhere.
TheRevenantStudios 1 year ago
I just got ript off from club sea breeze Kelly Williams. I joined and bought the travel membership and payed a yearly fee of 29.95 to stay an associate. Well I guess Kelly Williams wanted more money because he is making the yearly fee a monthly fee. If you don't pay it you get reduced commissions and then you loose your associate status. What a scam..
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Herbalife10Now 1 year ago
love the video,
i did mlm before.
and worked my ass off,it cost me alot of money.i am happy it is over.and the headacks went away.
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djsvalk 2 years ago
MLM is a marketing strategy! Some like it some hate it... for example I hate corporate america. It is a pyramid scheme! Watch my video and you will see what I mean!
TheHilkiah 2 years ago
Also, just want to say it is cool that you can have a discussion and not just resort to name calling and the like that is so common online.
kuhlraum 2 years ago
I will agree with one point though. I hate salesmen, even though I am technically one. I am a real estate agent, but I don't try to sell to people. I provide a service to people. I would never sell someone a house they couldn't afford or try to convince someone to sell their house if they haven't already been thinking about it. I help people find shelter, what is so sinful about that? I do expect to be rewarded for my service and effort, and I don't see anything wrong with that.
kuhlraum 2 years ago 2
I meat more Us students that came with diferent progrms to my country and they ALL had student loans.
Just food for thought: one year to a Masters program (or college) costs here just around 500 Euro, this is because the state partially covers costs and there aren't many Private universities to drive the price UP. In the US this could be up to 20 times more :)
Dentist: 100 Euro for a medium teeth job
Man i wouldn't want to be sick with the high costs you have. See Michael Moor's "Sicko"
tarfin 2 years ago
I'll admit that I am not familiar with the economy in Norway. So, how do universities and dentists get paid? Do they choose to work for little to no pay? Do they receive government subsidies? I think people should be paid what they are worth. I have no student loans because I didn't go to university, but I am doing much better financially than any of my friends who did. I have major issues with the idea that college is the key to success in this world.
kuhlraum 2 years ago
and I would not want to live in any country than the United States of America.
WorldVenturesScam 2 years ago
Great video. I have wanted to go to study in the EU. ( I am assuming you live in Europe).
I envy the healthcare and the way of life. I am sick of the US attitude. Any advice on immigrating to Europe?
agenthelios 1 year ago
That is all MLM is and it avoids traditional marketing. My other question is why do you hate capitalism? Capitalism is the only system that gives people true opportunity. It allows anyone from any upbringing to be successful. I have found that the only people who support socialism are people who can't make anything of themselves and think that no one else should either.
kuhlraum 2 years ago 3
I am doing just fine thank you :).
BUT i look around me, and see what this Jungle Capitalism has brought.
Schools Privatised (in the US most students finish education with HUGE Loans ). This is not the case in my country.
Health system Privatized : the US is one of the countries with the WORST health insurance (least number of people with health insurance, and that Can't afford health services).
1 BILLION OBESE people and 1 BILLION STARVING.
The PROBLEMS are Obvious in my view.
tarfin 2 years ago 3
I do agree with some of your points, but I do not think capitalism is at fault. You can go to school without any debt. Perhaps consumerism is more what you have a problem with. I am 100% capitalist, but I am not a typical materialistic consumer.
It is good that the problems are obvious to you, but what do you have in way of solutions?
BTW, I dont even have health insurance, dont even want it at this point. I go to the Dr once a year and just pay out of pocket, a lot cheaper.
kuhlraum 2 years ago
@kuhlraum Read the shock doctrine. Capitalism has massive flaws in it. There's nothing wrong with nationalizing natural resources to be redistributed to infrastructure, rather than it's profits going straight in the pockets of guys who don't need anymore money. Take Alberta Canada. They privatized energy, and for some mystical reason one of the most energy rich places in the world pays RIDICULOUS energy rates. it's a sick system
unholyaquarius 5 months ago
As a preface I will say that you sound very close minded and uneducated. I do not do MLM, but there are some that have useful products that choose to use MLM as opposed to traditional marketing. Pyramid schemes have no useful service or product. I assume you smoke because you are a liberal, lets say your brand is "A lil more CO2 and methane in the atmosphere" and you get your friends to contribute to global warming with you, the company gives you a percentage for giving them new smokers.
kuhlraum 2 years ago
It's funny how you bastardize anything MLM but the mlm model exists through out the main stream sales industry.
Any time you have a sales manager and a sales team, you will find a multi commission sales structure. This is so in real estate sales, car dealerships, mutual fund brokerages/financial services, virtualy any commissioned sales works like this.
I actually work for a financial company that functions as an MLM and is a very real and heavily regulated company (NASD, FINRA, -
Stagliano27 2 years ago
insurance regulators and you also have to pass an FBI background to work for the company, yet it functions as an MLM.
So even though you may passionatly hate MLM, the business model it's self is very common and is a smart way to build an asset utilizing leveraged income as opposed to trading dollars for hours with linear income.
Also, amassing wealth is not bad. I enjoy being the "go to" person in my family and contributing to my community. Money just makes you more of who you alread are
Stagliano27 2 years ago
Don't get me wrong. I Also disapprove of "main stream sales industry"
Putting a dollar sign on anything and BOMBARDING society with
ADVERTISEMENTS from every direction,
waging BATTLE for MIND SHARE of people,
MANIPULATING people into BUYING,
creating NEEDS to buy evermore,
getting at Parent through KIDS,
ADVERTISING to KIDS preparing them to be the NEXT generation of CONSUMERS.
To mention but a FEW. I also think this is wrong and MLM companies are one of the BEST examples
tarfin 2 years ago
Wow, what a tree hugging, hippie, flower child you are.
Look, I think most people (my self included) don't care for the over commercialized, materialistic society we all live in BUT the capitolistic, commercialized nature of our society is the very reason you don't live and sleep on a dirt floor eating mud pies with bugs for nutrition. Seems as though you have a computer to state your opinion on and electricity to run that computer. Seems like you are a participant in what you dispise.
Stagliano27 2 years ago
Like I stated. Money only makes you more of who you are. So of course you think it's all bad because you are equating all of our worldly ills on the Bernard Madoff's out there.
What about philanthrapists that build and contribute to hospitals, parks, youth centers,schools. We also pay taxes which contributes as well. It's not just all corruption. We are all part of the same socio/economic infastructure which is commercial, capitolistic based.
Hey, if you have a better way, let us in on it
Stagliano27 2 years ago
IF i am a Participant that does NOT mean that i CAN"T desire of work for CHANGE.
tarfin 2 years ago
Hey, I can respect the desire for change. I back you on that BUT regardless of your jaded attitue and blanket criminalization, legit product based MLM has it's place and in actuallity tends to thrive in bad economic times because more and more people look towards the home based business industry to take controll of their financial situation and not depend on shrinking paychecks/benefits.
I find it more selfish to work to feed ones own face than to build an asset that can benefit others. Peace
Stagliano27 2 years ago
@Stagliano27 we are all in this, I didn't choose to be borned here, at this period of time, that's obious, but I dispite capitalism even if I live it everyday, I hate it because it brings trouble, it doesn't measure the impact it causes to the entire planet (not only humans) for you, I see that you just don't care if people is starving, and I would prefer sleeping on dirt actually my goal is to live without money, I respect you, but I will fight for the freedom that system tooked away from me
atomixerick 1 year ago
@atomixerick, Actually your point of view, while well meaning is misguided. Money is not the problem, human behavior IS. Ok, let's follow this train of thought. Take away the money and there will always be a need for a social balance between production of goods and services,supply and demand, hence the need for some kind of monitery/barter system. Even non westernized primitive cultures have their own such balances in place.-
Stagliano27 1 year ago
Now, the problem does come to fruition with Western idealism in terms of excess and entitlement of materialism. Now, here is the juxtaposition. The concepts of money and capitolism (the ability to make money) are simply our barter system, gets criminalized because of our own human behavior. Again, take it ALL away and our corrupt nature will still manifest it's self in one way or another. So in reality, capitolism is not the problem.-
Stagliano27 1 year ago
So the generalized corrupt association with money aside, the CURRENT reality of our socio/economic structure with millions of people CURRENTLY still starving, I ask you? Is it more noble to shun money and the ability to generate it and to live to feed one's own face, than to be in a position of wealth and Philanthropy to be able to feed the hungry.
I am a business owner and do contribute. You sir are wrong in your judgment with me about not caring if people are starving!
Stagliano27 1 year ago
@atomixerick I would say that each culture lives with it's own difference lifestyles, but this global culture is raising is controled by the human behavior related to consume even things we don't "need" we just feel confortable or "better" we get a pleasure in exchange
atomixerick 1 year ago
How are MLM'S BULLSHIT?
MouthforWar78 2 years ago
The animated videos were disturbing. Why so bitter. If you don't like it MLM just don't do it. No one is forcing you are they? Why any one spends time and energy tearing anyone or anything down is beyond me. Tearing down does no good.
Have you ever bought a book from Amazon? They are one the largest affiliate marketers in the world. If you have not heard of affiliate marketing it is the name businesses use for there MLM. Amazon is an mlm company. So is Godaddy. Now days most are.
MkMnyJnkHm 2 years ago
I spend time and Energy because i have certain convictions.
Some of them are that MLM's are bullshit SCAMS and are pushing people more towards love of money, material goods gained without WORK or MERIT or something being PRODUCED.
And NO, TEARING DOWN can be GOOD.
We tore down FASCISM, COMMUNISM, SLAVERY, SEGREGATION and CAPITALISM is NEXT, and the list is endless. And i HOPE MLM's will soon be on this list :).
And Stop LYING AMAZON is not a MLM.
tarfin 2 years ago
You spend your time LEARNING NOTHING, CREATING NOTHING just trying to SCAM more and more people into your PYRAMID SCHEME with the prospect of EASY MONEY.
I think this is DETRIMENTAL to human society, just BREEDS ignorant, gready, MONEY loving people, caring only for themselves and it is not the kind of society i LIKE to live in, so i'm trying to SPEAK against it.
We are KILLING the PLANET, wasting all RESOURCES, letting POOR people DIE, and i am trying to let people know what THEY are doing.
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Vishwamitrawq 3 years ago
You go for it Tarfin! I loved the video even though I'm a network marketer. ("successful"??.. they're ALL successful apparently!!!).
But I'm a marketer who loves the industry.. not the money. It's a good thing to challenge thinking and maybe some people are in it for the wrong reasons.
Youhave every right to your own point of view. And I'd say you've been hurt somewhere along the way. And that should never have happened.
Hang on there mate. It'll be okay.
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GayleHillman 3 years ago
lol - your videos funny mate well put together, BUT give me a personal example of why MLM is a scam?.... instead of standing behind TV clips!! with the mindset you have YOU WILL NEVER succeed in running your own business....but thats ok some people are just not ready to take control of their lives, and to have what they truely desire in life...A Successful Home Business is possible, and their are ppl that make 100k a month all year round! they must be scamming half the world each day!haha
whosthetube91210 3 years ago
I have attended MLM presentations.
I now people that have wasted years chasing the dream of FAST and EASY MONEY in MLM organizations and achieved nothing
And this WEALTH that some members of the MLM's are making is based on the actual WORK/MONEY of the people at the base, and if the MLM does not produce any VALUE in the market (and most DO NOT) than this is just a SCHEME to move MONEY from LOTS of people to a FEW
Society is more and more today as a PYRAMID, that doesn't mean i have to like it
tarfin 3 years ago
I really dont think you be blaming MLM on your misfortune... it is your responsiblity, to change what doesn't work in your business... your right some mlm'ers recruit and dont train their down line, if that is your case you must find someone that can help lead you to success...but in the end if you treat it like a hobby youl get hobby results! forget the 3 foot rule and look at attraction marketing its the future of online IM. good luck in what ever you do, i hope you succeed one day..
whosthetube91210 3 years ago
I already Have thanks.
And not due to any Business or MLM scheme or anything related to MONEY.
And if you realize this some day you might succeed too.
tarfin 3 years ago
No you have not. You are a critic. Critics can only tear down. You have a lot of changing to do before you will ever be able to build something good. Let go and follow your own dream. Don't tear down others. Sorry you are so bitter. Some of the clips are funny.
MkMnyJnkHm 2 years ago
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chen521880 3 years ago
It will go away right around the same time that Corporate America goes away. MLM gets stronger every day, and this little recession we have is only explodiong MLM.
rampagemarketing 3 years ago
I'm afraid you are WRONG.
This RECESSION is not as mild as you make it sound AND i still hope that some of the benefits of it will be to get rid of practices and MONEY HUNGRY people like you.
In this CRISIS only the people that can produce something of VALUE will get through alright.
I think this is not the case with MLM's.
tarfin 3 years ago
CORPORATE AMERICA is a Pyramid scheme. You become a "PEST" when you are hunting people...you become LEADER when people hunt YOU. That is the difference!
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PartnerForCash 3 years ago
Brilliant video!! Steve Carell from like 15 years ago!
Didn't agree with the "King Of Queens" clip of the "Pyramid Scheme" eventually collapsing. Amway / Quixtar has been in doing business since like 1959. When is the 'scheme' going to collapse??
coolbreeze19651965 3 years ago
Right about NOW :) ... couple of months let's say.
tarfin 3 years ago
I hope so!
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