The weapons of the Mirai is US built and odd to see that they're using these weapons against US forces.
I respect the fact that the Japanese makers of this show also show a good side of the Americans in the series that the Americans are not just the enemy but people who have families, show respect and etc in the series.
The USA and Japan and Philippines are both great countries.
but the tomahawk is unrealistic: the JMSDF doesnt use em to have no offensive-capabilities. the mirai might be pretty modern, but i dont think that the japanese will change their mind about war.
Watching Zipang makes me wish that The Final Countdown was done in an episodic format, either as a graphic novel or a show like this.
The Nimitz barely took a dip into the time stream compared to the Mirai, since its adventure had to fit into the length of a movie; I can only imagine how things would have changed if the Nimitz was forced to stay in the 1940s for longer than it did.
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WTF... how dumb can they get... firing main deck cannons at aircrafts... --.^ and if some1 is gonna tell me that it was their aa-gunz then im goin' to make myself a pope of an anti-zipang relligion. god... and a rocket (i guess another uber-tomahawk) ripping of wing...
i wish it was so simple to blow up an aircraft carrier with just one tomahawk missile ^^ it would make navy life so much easier though.
i sure won't even think about watchin' that anime.
well good luck with targeting aircrafts, even the old ones, with single barrel main deck cannons, u will really need it. huge amount of luck or divine intervention.
okay, i can imagine sinkin old AC with a single tomahawk, it may be possible.
still, which AC would allow destroyer or any other enemy ship (considering their scouting/radar ability) to get close enough to even give it opportunity to fire. thats just silly.
First of all, the concept of the show here is that a top-modern AEGIS cruiser gets sent back to WWII.
These have superior radar and scouting abilities to anything found in WWII, even AC's.
Modern deck guns like that also are very advanced. Laser range finders and dunamic lead (like I had on my tank when I was in the service) and flak-shells that explode on proximity and/or a pre-set range.
You should really check out this show, it's pretty realistic for an anime.
modern cruisers that use Aegis Combat System with their best radars can spot, mark and track enemy planes/ships at max range somewhere around 100 nautilus miles (190km). that is less (slightly but still) than average scouting range of a common scout plane launched for example from IJN AC Shokaku (1941). this makes approach to ww2 AC hard but perhaps possible.
if thats the case, modern gunboats hav aa weapon systems which rarely includes main deck gunz.
hard to not be realistic when boat with superior firepower appears in past. i guess its just watchin the Mirai sinking oldies in each and every episode. but maybe ill check it out.
@l0nelydude hmm, im not jap, but i read this comic. Actually, the concept of this comic has nothing insulting America. The story line is very well. : /
The story could only really work with a Japanese crew. If the story featured an American crew, they would simply join the US and annihilate the opposition. The Allies are considered the good guys, so there is no conflict at all there.
But in Zipang, the crew are modern Japanese. They are peaceful allies of America, and don't want to fight. But at the same time, Japan is their country and of course they don't want the cities to be nuked. So the crew is conflicted about what to do.
Don't give me that crap. It's a show about the motivations of the men on the ship, and the nature of things in Japan. It's a good concept, and it's done justice. Don't view this as a fit of pique.
@harlequin2262 20$ says that if we made a show about sending a modern warship into the past to slap the japs, there'd be a shitstorm of "WOW WUT A BUNCH OF FUKKED UP JRKS!!1!"
@l0nelydude It got dragged into the past on the way to war game exercises with the US Navy, mate. They ended up almost sailing into Pearl Harbor and they don't exactly side with their counterparts, they try to stay out of it and it ends up costing them quite abit because they get attacked by both sides repeatedly.
@l0nelydude The difference is the concepts, the Japs sent that ship to US war games and it got caught in some random storm that brought them to the past. They tried to stay out of it completely but end up getting dragged into WW2 as the ship can't sail forever without being resupplied. They get attacked by both sides and betrayed by the Japanese of the past as well. In Final Countdown, they actually try to stop Pearl Harbour rather than stay out the war like the crew of the Mirai in Zipang.
@l0nelydude Except for the part where the 'dirty japs with a modern boat' seriously have no wish to engage either USN or IJN forces, but were repeatedly forced into doing so.
They actually made a serious attempt to not change history, but just by BEING there they did so, and by their want to save lives, both American and Japanese.
@Pzgraf AEGIS destroyer. ( /DDG/ - 182, after all.)
But then again, at this point, after lengthening to accomodate hangar and aircraft, that Yukinami (similar/close to identical to Atago class, or Arleigh Burke class Flight IIa) easily rivals the length and displacement of the Ticonderoga class AEGIS cruisers, so...
Is this the part of WW2 where the Japanese entered the Give All Weapons cheat code to win? I don't remember that part in my history book.
BankaiIchigo12345 4 days ago
love this anime but If anyone likes this concept you should read the Axis of time novels by John Birmingham there great books
crazykidd65 1 year ago
Horray for the anime version of the Final Countdown ( the 1981 move with a simmilar story )
solidsnake2234 1 year ago
The weapons of the Mirai is US built and odd to see that they're using these weapons against US forces.
I respect the fact that the Japanese makers of this show also show a good side of the Americans in the series that the Americans are not just the enemy but people who have families, show respect and etc in the series.
The USA and Japan and Philippines are both great countries.
e0o9kii 1 year ago
@e0o9kii
Mirai isn't even a real ship! It's made up for this anime.
BankaiIchigo12345 4 days ago
but the tomahawk is unrealistic: the JMSDF doesnt use em to have no offensive-capabilities. the mirai might be pretty modern, but i dont think that the japanese will change their mind about war.
horten229pilot 1 year ago
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mehdan2 2 years ago
Watching Zipang makes me wish that The Final Countdown was done in an episodic format, either as a graphic novel or a show like this.
The Nimitz barely took a dip into the time stream compared to the Mirai, since its adventure had to fit into the length of a movie; I can only imagine how things would have changed if the Nimitz was forced to stay in the 1940s for longer than it did.
ThInTrM 2 years ago
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WTF... how dumb can they get... firing main deck cannons at aircrafts... --.^ and if some1 is gonna tell me that it was their aa-gunz then im goin' to make myself a pope of an anti-zipang relligion. god... and a rocket (i guess another uber-tomahawk) ripping of wing...
i wish it was so simple to blow up an aircraft carrier with just one tomahawk missile ^^ it would make navy life so much easier though.
i sure won't even think about watchin' that anime.
true, pure failure
libog0 2 years ago
Those cannons can very well target aircraft, and should have no problems with an old WWII fighter.
And a modern Tomahawk against an old carrier with no modern counter-measure systems?
Well duh, ofcourse the ship will sink.
Pzgraf 2 years ago 13
well good luck with targeting aircrafts, even the old ones, with single barrel main deck cannons, u will really need it. huge amount of luck or divine intervention.
okay, i can imagine sinkin old AC with a single tomahawk, it may be possible.
libog0 2 years ago
still, which AC would allow destroyer or any other enemy ship (considering their scouting/radar ability) to get close enough to even give it opportunity to fire. thats just silly.
libog0 2 years ago
First of all, the concept of the show here is that a top-modern AEGIS cruiser gets sent back to WWII.
These have superior radar and scouting abilities to anything found in WWII, even AC's.
Modern deck guns like that also are very advanced. Laser range finders and dunamic lead (like I had on my tank when I was in the service) and flak-shells that explode on proximity and/or a pre-set range.
You should really check out this show, it's pretty realistic for an anime.
Pzgraf 2 years ago 13
modern cruisers that use Aegis Combat System with their best radars can spot, mark and track enemy planes/ships at max range somewhere around 100 nautilus miles (190km). that is less (slightly but still) than average scouting range of a common scout plane launched for example from IJN AC Shokaku (1941). this makes approach to ww2 AC hard but perhaps possible.
if thats the case, modern gunboats hav aa weapon systems which rarely includes main deck gunz.
libog0 2 years ago
hard to not be realistic when boat with superior firepower appears in past. i guess its just watchin the Mirai sinking oldies in each and every episode. but maybe ill check it out.
howgh
libog0 2 years ago
@Pzgraf Except for, you know, they're dirty japs with a modern boat in WWII.
Oh well, we still nuked them twice, I guess if this is their way of making themselves feel better, so be it.
l0nelydude 1 year ago
@l0nelydude hmm, im not jap, but i read this comic. Actually, the concept of this comic has nothing insulting America. The story line is very well. : /
Phonourm 1 year ago
@l0nelydude
The story could only really work with a Japanese crew. If the story featured an American crew, they would simply join the US and annihilate the opposition. The Allies are considered the good guys, so there is no conflict at all there.
But in Zipang, the crew are modern Japanese. They are peaceful allies of America, and don't want to fight. But at the same time, Japan is their country and of course they don't want the cities to be nuked. So the crew is conflicted about what to do.
AnonymousDiv0 1 year ago
@l0nelydude
Don't give me that crap. It's a show about the motivations of the men on the ship, and the nature of things in Japan. It's a good concept, and it's done justice. Don't view this as a fit of pique.
harlequin2262 1 year ago
@harlequin2262 20$ says that if we made a show about sending a modern warship into the past to slap the japs, there'd be a shitstorm of "WOW WUT A BUNCH OF FUKKED UP JRKS!!1!"
l0nelydude 1 year ago
@l0nelydude
You did. It was called Final Countdown, and it did reasonably well at the box office. Mid 80s.
It was also an aircraft carrier.
harlequin2262 1 year ago
@l0nelydude It got dragged into the past on the way to war game exercises with the US Navy, mate. They ended up almost sailing into Pearl Harbor and they don't exactly side with their counterparts, they try to stay out of it and it ends up costing them quite abit because they get attacked by both sides repeatedly.
ValiantVendetta 1 year ago
@l0nelydude The difference is the concepts, the Japs sent that ship to US war games and it got caught in some random storm that brought them to the past. They tried to stay out of it completely but end up getting dragged into WW2 as the ship can't sail forever without being resupplied. They get attacked by both sides and betrayed by the Japanese of the past as well. In Final Countdown, they actually try to stop Pearl Harbour rather than stay out the war like the crew of the Mirai in Zipang.
ValiantVendetta 1 year ago
@l0nelydude Except for the part where the 'dirty japs with a modern boat' seriously have no wish to engage either USN or IJN forces, but were repeatedly forced into doing so.
They actually made a serious attempt to not change history, but just by BEING there they did so, and by their want to save lives, both American and Japanese.
SayokoHatsuya 9 months ago
@Pzgraf AEGIS destroyer. ( /DDG/ - 182, after all.)
But then again, at this point, after lengthening to accomodate hangar and aircraft, that Yukinami (similar/close to identical to Atago class, or Arleigh Burke class Flight IIa) easily rivals the length and displacement of the Ticonderoga class AEGIS cruisers, so...
SayokoHatsuya 9 months ago
@libog0 Thank you for demonstrating that you know absolutely fucking jack shit about the modern AEGIS combat system.
SayokoHatsuya 9 months ago
lol xD
nayeemxX 3 years ago