Fatah still refuses to recognize Israel, 2009

[flumoxed2]

Israelis don't want peace. Their leaders have historically stole money, BILLIONS from the US and purchased properties in Europe and the US (netenyahu, Bibi Olmert, - all own MULTI MILLION dollar properties in France) while Jews in America (and Europe) riot chanting death to Europe. It's disgusting. In the mean time, there is A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS in Gaza. Palestinians are victims of Israels corrupt government that kills children, rapes women, and instigates violence while saying no to peace.

[davidsegun]

@flumoxed2 hmm no one can beleive that shyt man .. seriously stfu

[Abbadon380]

@flumoxed2 ISREALIS WANT PEACE YA NUT LOOK AT THE VARIOUS COMPROMISES IT MADE look at the Oslo accords IT historically was resupplied by the US to fight Islamo facist regimes AND SERIOUSLY WHAT FUCKUING SHIT JEWS RIOTING even if that were true MUSLIMS DO THAT MORE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS THE LARGE AMOUNT OF AID THAT ISREAL IS GIVING IT THE PALESTINIAN GOVERMENT HAMAS AND REST OF OTHER PALESTINIAN organizations are corrupt and fucking evil

[BushidoCode72]

Palestinians don't want peace. Their leaders have historically stole money, MILLIONS and purchased properties in Europe and the French Reviera (Arafat, Abas, - both own MULTI MILLION dollar properties in France) while Muslims in France (and Europe) riot chanting death to Europe. It's disgusting. In the mean time, there is NO HUMANITARIAN CRISIS in Gaza. Palestinians are victims of their own corrupt government that kills children, rapes women, and instigates violence while saying no to peace.

[PapGripDezi]

so?

Gandhi didn't recognize Israel. I don't recognize Israel. No one should recognize a state that was built on the theft of other people's land.

[SamLyndonShow]

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[92kartelzbak]

dahlan and mahmoud abbas traitors !!!

this guy talkin arrest moujahidin in deffa !!!

t3eshhh KataeeB 3aZ Din L QassaM.

[Feda2y88]

viva Palestine!

viva Fatah!

[iyadpalestine]

When we return to our religion and practice Islam like the Sahaba did, we will get victory.

[Batibeti]

u had 3 chances to beat isreal one time u suprised attacked them and they beat u in 6 days i mean seriously syria Jordan Eygpt all attacked isreal all suprised attacked isreal and eygpt's army got destroyed Isreal had it's guns facing Syria's capitol Jordan's army was wiped off the map look at the history when u try to take back any land u fail badly what do u have left to throw at isreal besides act as an annoyance in Gaza

[iyadpalestine]

Israel got help from Britain and US at that time. They had airplanes and military bases in the ocean. And then the arabs used a bad tactic.

This annoyance in Gaza you are talking about destroyed Israel and succeeded to pull out Israeli forces after 22 days. Israel loosed the war like they loosed the war in 2006. Israels last days is coming.

[Batibeti]

no their not trust me terrorism in the 21st century and after is gonna be nothing more then and annoyance and isreal is in a constant state of war it's weapons are built to fight on the terrain their soldiers train non-stop and learn the land so they can have the advantage theirs weapons are built for fighting in Isreal Isreal expects to be invaded from all sides and guess what if Isreal could have it's way in Gaza the terrorists wouldnt ever want to go back to gaza their wouldnt be a gaza left.

[MCH1984]

"And then the arabs used a bad tactic. "

Wouldn't be the first time.

[rulllar]

Israel got help from Britain and the US at the time? hahaha you joker. Israel got virtually no serious help from other nations in the 6 day war. Israel's main arms came from France at the time - and it stopped sales once war started (unlike USSR which sent many weapons to Arabs). Don't you guys ever know history except saying "The US helped Israel"?

You can lie to yourselves.. it's what those calling for Israel's destruction always did, and it seems always do.

[muimrm]

@Batibeti

Spreading false info is the most underrated sin. Stop doing it,it's wrong,it's immoral,it causes futile conflicts and incites them. Jordan,Syria and Egypt did NOT attack Israel in the six day war,it was quite the opposite.

[rulllar]

You do that.

[death5089]

Al-Qassam Rockets are stupid? Why are you trying to hit targets 30km away when the enemy is right in fornt of you? they should have used the Qassams to lure the Israelis in and then use them on the army instead of firing over them into the cities. Sadam Huessein made the same mistake by firing his SCUDS at Israel instead of US troops.

[blalst]

home made grad and katyusha aren't as good as the original ones , any home made weapon isn't as good as original one , but it still work.

rockets are not used against troops because it isn't accurate enough , scud may do will because of it massive area of destruction but missiles here are used to pres the zions.

and they fear it , yeah , but that makes them want to kill ustop the fear , so it's useles unless during an invasion.

[iyadpalestine]

The Fateh coup against Hamas shows that Fateh dont respect democratic elections and the peoples will. They just want power and money. Fateh are traitors.

[blalst]

fateh haven't begun war on hamas hamas did , I'm sure if we had early elections hamas won't surpass 10%.

[iyadpalestine]

Oh please.. don´t start again. Dont you read news? All newspapers around the world said that US was planing to destroy Hamas with help of Fateh. If Hamas didnt do what they did in Gaza Fateh had started to kill Hamas men like they do now in the West bank. But Alhamdullilah Hamas was smart and had open eyes and they knew what was going on.

Inshallah by the way they come to an solution and unity in Cairo in the coming days.

[blalst]

I dont think they will succeed , but I hope they do , and I hope if They do reelctions if hamas lost youl hear news about palestine and how happy they became , if hamas succeed I'll leave palestine and spet on it on the borders.

[iyadpalestine]

Haha...okey.. I hope they win the elections and that the world and especially some palestinians accept the peoples will and democracy that they didnt do in the elections in 2006.

If Hamas win the elections again I dont think you will be alone who leave Palestine. Many zionists will leave with you.

Shalom ;)

[blalst]

first I am not azionist , if alqaeeda ruled Sweden and won elections would you still in your country , I am with fighting to free my land , I dont have issues with aljihad alislamy or aljabha alshaebia or other islamic and communist factions actualy they dont have traitors so they dont get support from any country , and I am with fateh , if any of those or any indebendent politicion went to election I'll elect him , just not hamas and it's allies.

[iyadpalestine]

Haha. First of all Sweden only have 3-5% muslems. You cant compare Al-qaida with Hamas. Hamas is both a political, social and military group. Its two hole different groups and two hole different countries with different situations.

Haha. You support aljihad alislami but dont know that Hamas and al-jihad get their weapons from same people. Are Jihad al-islami traitors because they get weapons from outside? Please hahaha... you dont want them to get weapons from outside. From where then? :S

[iyadpalestine]

Your words are wierd. You dont support Hamas and its allies. You dont know that jihad al islami that you support is allied with Hamas and support and have good connections with Hamas and fights side by side with Hamas. The same thing goes to Al-aqsa brigades. Theey have good connection with Hamas and have made many military attacks together and cooperated together. All military factions are with Hamas and all factions criticize Abbas and say that his government al unlegal.

[iyadpalestine]

Almost all countries in the world get their weapons from outside. Hamas get some weapons from outside but they build many weapons by their own and develop it by their own. Like handgrenades, RPG, rockets, mortar- grenades and IED´s and more... And they also build weapons to other military factions. You support military recistance but also support Fateh. Wierd....Fateh are against the military recistance and arrest mujahedin from ALJIHAD AL ISLAMI in the west bank.. hmmm.. what about that?

[blalst]

why dont you come to gaza for few weeks in vucation or tourism , then you'll see what are hamas weapons ,

al yaaseen anti-tank missile launcher it kills a man if it hit him directly but no chance to compare with RBG anti tank missiles.

home made AK47 it's not bad but not as good as russian orginal ones.

alqassam 1-2 short range rockets with almost no use so they use katyosha and Grad rockets.

[iyadpalestine]

Lol, I didnt say anything about AK-47. They build many weapons by themself and they get from outside too. Lol...Qassam 4 rocket with more than 20kg explosive no use? I think ur talking about Qassam 1. Hey its 2009 not 2003. They have devoloped their rockets and are devoloping more. The rockets are not only for causing damage. Its to cause fear and its part of psycological war. Look at videos filmed by zionists when qassam rocket fall in sderot and Ashkelon how they cry and run for their lives.

[blalst]

I told u what weapons the make and what weapons they have , they have some original ak-47 russian made , but most is home made which is not as good , so is rbg missiles , alyaseen is supposed to be anti-tank missile but it isn't capable of destroying a wall , it's good as anti-infantry but ak-47 is way better so it is useles , alqassam is useless too there is empty space between gaza and israel where nobody lives its wide enough to make zions out of alqassam range but not from grad and katyosha.

[blalst]

so what is realy used is grad and katyosha.

[iyadpalestine]

Yes Grad and katyosha is better and stronger than Qassam rockets. But I thought you was against Al-qassam because they get weapons from outside Gaza. Lol.. Grad rockets are russian and Katyusha are chineese. Do you really think that Al-qaassam under seige and everything will build own rockets stronger than russian and chineese?

[death5089]

Grad and Katyusha are both Soviet Russian rockets

[iyadpalestine]

Dont worry about Al-qassam my friend. They had only simple rockets some years ago with no damage at all. Only about 1kg explosive weight. Not there rockets reach some 30 km and have more than 25kg of explosvie weight. They have also other rockets like Grad and katuysha that was able to reach about 45-50km during the war. Next war they will have rockets that reach more than 60 km and in the future their rockets will reach wherever they want in occupied Palestine.

[iyadpalestine]

By the way...it seems you dont know that al-qassam have learned about the katyusha you talk about and they manufacture them by their own.

[iyadpalestine]

Lol.... Al-qassam dont use Al-Yassin anti-tank missile so much. They have RPG-29 who is the strongest RPG after RPG-32.When Al-qassam destroy or damage israeli tanks they use RPG-7, RPG-29 or IED´s. (landmines). That lead to the destruction and damage of more than 25 israeli tanks and several israeli jeeps. during the war on Gaza.

Dont forget that Qassam rockets have range of more than 30km now. 5 years ago it was only 3km. In 5 years from know their rockets will reach Tel Aviv. Inshallah

[blalst]

Ieds can destroy tanks if it was big enough , Devices are the best anti-tand explosives we have , it's homemade but it can crack a tank , as for RBGs we have it never destroyed a tank , just wrecks it , but it can destroy jeebs , some of our machine guns can hit heliochopters but none ever was destroyed , if our resistense want to upgrade it needs anti-air weapons.

[iyadpalestine]

West and those who are against Hamas control most of the media. So if you find anything bad about Hamas its often propaganda and/or lies. So dont believe everything. I read news everyday from about 20 different newspapers, tv-channels and news sites. I see were the lies are coming from and what the reasons is.

[iyadpalestine]

I actually dont understand how Hamas is traitors just because they get some of their weapons from Iran and donations. What have the iranians done to Palestine? Nothing. US and Israel occupied our country and they are the enemy.

[Batibeti]

it's not what Iran has done it's what it's leaders saying it's going to do isreal doesnt like threats they treat it as if u really did attack them cause they got threatened before and they just ignored and that ended up with the holocaust one of Isreal's main goals is never again will the jews be slaughtered

[blalst]

palestine 4 ever

fuck the terrorist zionz

fuck olmert

fuck leberman

fuck israel

fuck hamas

hamas = zions = shit

long live fateh

fatehwill free palestine from zion pigs and hamas dogs.

[iyadpalestine]

Hahahaha. How can Hamas be zionists when THEY was involved in a WAR against the zionist entity and WHEN FATEH didnt do anything. When Fateh is doing the job of the zionists and kill the mijahediin in qalqilya and al khalil and so on, FATEH is zionists. Thats why Israel likes them, Haha. Does Israel like his enemy? No. But why does they shake hand with Fateh and kiss each other and hug each other you blind traitor?

HAMAS FOR EVER!!

[blalst]

hamas and zions kill inocent palestinians they took their land and dont recognize their rights which make them fucking zions.

[iyadpalestine]

Dont listen to propaganda. Hamas dont kill their own people. May happen they kill traitors and spies like Dahlan supporters. Not like Fateh who arrest more than 100 Hamas supporters every week and torture WOMAN prisoners!!!!! Thats far away from the crossline.

[blalst]

who is listining to propaganda < I live in gaza strip under hamas dictatoric rule no one likes hamas excpt for their leaders even alQassam members hates it thats why they changed to jaishel islam faction.

[iyadpalestine]

Haha. No one likes Hamas? Thats why they won the democratic election? If no one like Hamas why there are houndreds of thousands palestinians who walks on the streets with Hamas flags? However you only speaks lies. You want casino, drugs, hookers and alcohole. Thats why you dont want Hamas. Because they dont allow that like Fateh dont allow people to support Hamas, have lahya and niqab. Fateh is slaves to the zionists.

[iyadpalestine]

Just write "Fateh" on youtube you will se only maybe 2 Fateh nasheed/songs. Write Hamas you will find more than 10 pages. Fateh have nothing to be proud of, thats why no one makes anasheed to them. Everyone support Hamas!! Because resistance are the only way to liberate Palestine like Lebanon was liberated from the zionists. If only the Fateh traitors helped Hamas instead of weaken it, we had liberated Westbank. But Fateh takes all weapons from the fighters so they can not fight against Israel!

[blalst]

and write israel and you'll find even more so that doesnt mean israel is better neither is hamas , and you're from sweden so what make you know palestine better than me , (fateh)-by the way it's fateh not fatah- never stopped resistense and most of fighters against the israeli attack few months ago were fateh+jihad islami+jabha shaebia, while hamas didn't do a thing despite what their T.Vs says.

[iyadpalestine]

Yes but more than 50% of the israeli videos are negative and they are populare among the zionists only.

Al-aqsa brigades have no strong connection to Fayyad and Abbas illegal government and during the war on Gaza Mahmoud Abbas told Al-aqsa brigades and other palestinian factions to stop the attacks but they refused, including Al-aqsa brigades. Fateh and Al-aqsa brigades DID HAVE connection before but today everyone hates Abbas and the Fateh leaders. Arafat was good, Barghouti is good. Abbas NO!

[iyadpalestine]

Let me clear something up for you. Im not against Fateh. Im against the leaders IN Fateh now. They are traitors and they are not good for the palestinians. If Barghouti leads Fateh for 1 week only you will se unity among the palestinian factions. But the Abbas-Fayyad-Dayton maffia crew arrest more palestinians than the zionists everyday. Fateh abuse woman in prison. What arab or muslem beats WOMEN in prioson and torture them?? They have no moral or respect.

[iyadpalestine]

Why do you think US and Israel support Abbas? Because he is good for them. He didnt even criticize Israel during the war like a palestinian leader should. Even Swedish leaders criticised Israel more than Abbas. Abbas and Israel was planning the war together so Hamas will loose control of the Gaza strip and give the power to Fateh. But Alhamdullilah Allah was with the resistance. And dont forget that many weapons Al-aqsa brigades use is built by Hamas. Hamas didnt attack because there was truce.

[blalst]

hamas told the people that all the israelies killed were killed by hamas and al-qassam brigades while the truth that they fought absolutely no one but palestians , and abbas and fayyad are traitors to america while hamas itself is traitor to iran , hamas torture its prisoners in best cases , in worst they shoot their knees or kill them , and abbas knew that criticizing israel will do nothing just few words and no one churt israel because U.S give it unlimited support.

[iyadpalestine]

Were do you get your false information from? Hamas told there fighters killed 49 israeli soldiers and that more than 80 soldiers were killed during the war. That means that more than 31 israeli soldiers were killed by other fighters. How can Hamas be traitors to Iran? Iran is a friend, they do not control Hamas. When the hole world is isolating Hamas, they need someone to help them, forexample Iran. Iran is not a enemy. Iran has never killed palestinians. Us or Iran weapons kill our people?

[iyadpalestine]

Haha. And then you say Abbas didnt say anything because it doesnt help. Well, why he said to the palestinians to stop attacking and not to Israel? Why didnt Abbas go to the Doha summit if he was the president of the palestinians? Qatar said that Abbas didnt come because foreign countries pressured him not to come. There you have the truth of Abbas. Abbas according to palestininan law is not a president, but look what a dictator he is.

[blalst]

beside iran isn't a peaceful state , it came out of revolotion and fought with iraq and have a bad relationships with arabs , ask non-palestinian suna arabs about iran.

[iyadpalestine]

I agree that Iran is a bad country and everything. But why care about their internal problems when we have our own problems? Our country is occupied. Our people are being killed, jailed and everything. If a bad country support us, give us some money and weapons. Why not? That doesnt mean we like their politics. The only thing I like with Iran is that they support palestinians more than any other arab country. unfortunately ...

[iyadpalestine]

And you say "some will steal you and some will kill you who's worst??". Well Abbas both kill, steal, sell the country, and work with the israelis. Tell me. What is worse than any other crime? Isnt it worse to cooperate with the main- enemy? Abbas is making everything to make security for the israelis in the west bank. They kill and arrest mujahadeen to prevent them to attack israeli soldiers or settlers. They take all weapons they can find from the fighters in west bank. That is worst crime!

[iyadpalestine]

And because I live in Sweden it doesnt mean i dont know people in Gaza. Actually, I know people in Al-qassam who fought against israel during the war. So everything you say is lies. You proved your a big lier. There are many videos on youtube who proves Hamas killed israeli soldiers your lier. I hope Hamas will arrest and shoot all liers like you in the knees because you are a danger to Palestine with your dangerous fitna lies.

[blalst]

just like a typical hamas terrorist , you get your information from hamas and beleive it , all arab leaders are traitors including fateh and hamas but there are levels of traitory some will steal you and some will kill you who's worst??

beside palestine elected abbas as a president and if I'm not wrong it was the only honest elections in arab world , don't listen to me or to al-qassam members but listen to other palestinians and know about palestine.

[iyadpalestine]

Hamas is not traitors. I agree that most the arab leaders, including Mahmoud Abbas is traitors. But give me one reason why Hamas is traitors? What have they done? Who have they killed? Its true that maybe 2-3% of the ones that have been killed by Hamas whas wrong but most of them was killers, spies and traitors, thats why they were killed. Hamas have made some mistakes. Even Sweden who is the most democratic country in the world make mistakes. Even Sahaba did make mistakes.

[blalst]

your'e talking like a hamas man , I hope you are not because if you are from hamas all this speech will be pointless.

hamas opened fire on about 1000000 palestinian in gaza at arafat's martyr memory , those weren't fateh they were from all political factions.

if you want I can intertain you with thousands of anti humanity hamas crimes.

[iyadpalestine]

Im not from Hamas but I support them. Hamas have make some mistakes like I said before but some of the "crimes" your talking about are not crimes and there are history behind almost every example you come with. The Arafat martyr memory day for example.. I saw a video who shows that some men from the "demonstration" opened fire at Hamas police first and that led to the chaos. There are many lies going on against Hamas because Fateh is jealous because Hamas won the election.

[blalst]

show me that video or upload it and give me the url because I was in there and no one except hamas millitias had wepons and just when they opened fire we ran away some stood there and throw stones on them and were arrested.

[iyadpalestine]

Well go to westbank and look what Fateh do when people rise Hamas flags. Its forbidden. Well maybe Hamas only wants to respond to that and show them the same medicine. Because its forbidden to make Hamas demonstrations and support Hamas in the westbank. Thats why Hamas responded. They shouldnt have done this, I agree. If Fateh are dumasses and undemocratic retards Hamas should not have made the same thing.

[saulboyjt]

Can you trust muslim pigs?

Of course not.

ISRAEL SHOULD DESTROY THESE BEASTS!!!

ISRAEL FOREVER!!!!!!!

[hamadaxxl2004]

تحيه فتح يعيش القائد ابو مازن والبطل محمد دحلان

[ChorniyKot]

fatah=hamas=shit

but i believe ordinari palestinian wont to live

peacefuly .

but israel do not need to recognize

fatah and hamas !

[vertesvertes]

muhammed dahlan el fetih fuck FUCK

YAŞASIN HAMAS

VİVA HAMAS

ALLAHU EKBER HAMAS

EL FETİH FUCK

[glenedictaz289]

who cares if fatah doesn't recognize ISRAEL!!!THE ALL-POWERFUL(GOD)is pleased and will continue blessing the nation ISRAEL!!!

[starsa333]

who deal with terrorists will be kill by terror.Islam terrorists are to be cast down Hsrtn above.Help defeat the note from the world for a better future for everyone.

[Dramapix]

La3natol lah 3aleik ya Dahlan......biggest terrorizing thug, sold his soul to the zionists. This is just propaganda...

[XLisaEHammondX]

Before the new Isreal as you know there was a country called Palestine now the people from Palestine don't have a state Iam sure they would rather be living on the land of their forefathers than in refugee camps, If there is no difference between those from Palestine why do the Arab nations treat them as refugees and not as citizens

[peosteve]

Lisa, you apparently don't even have a basic understanding of the reality in the Middle East - the Palestinians are a rallying call for Arab leaders who oppress their own people. Pointing to Israel as the enemy deflects the attention from their own poor human rights records. If the Arabs treat the Palis as citizens, they wouldn't be able to deflect anger towards Israel anymore. Israel's existence is a comfortable excuse for Arab leaders, as sad as that is. The Palestinians end up suffering!

[Adonay96]

wrong. there was never a country of palestine. they are not culturally or ethnically different from other arabs. the only "country" would be the one the UN made that lasted for one day and then was destroyed.

[razzer321]

Arabs are known for their poltician skills that they show.He is just appealing to the Islamist extremism in the palestinian people.I think thats about 80%.Theres two kinds of palestinians those who are terrorists and those who would like to be like terrorists.

[XLisaEHammondX]

And those who want to feel free and educate their children and have a normal life

[razzer321]

Well I forgot about those ones.There,s not many of them.I thought they were extinct.

[peosteve]

It's Hamas and Fatah that are preventing the Palis from having a "normal life". Arabs in Israel are doing just fine, thanks. It's those Palis that live under Arab rule that suffer - few rights, few freedoms, an education system that curses Jews and a media that incites hatred and jihad. That is "normal life" for Palis under Arab rule - if I was a Palestinian, I'd love to live in Israel...

[cyklonb1989]

"if I was a Palestinian, I'd love to live in Israel"

yes, and they do. The majority of arabs in israel, despite their constant attack on their country, wish to stay in israel because the israeli government treat them justly and equally.

[kall4less]

How incredibly, dishonorably, savagely evil this barbarian is.

[highflite1977]

i'm certain hamas and fatah have the memory to recognise israel. they certainly would know it if it if they saw israel. certainly they recognise the phosphorous bombs on gaza, this is evidence to suggest that israel exists. thus it has been proved that hamas and fatah recognise israel. isn't this something you should pay close attention to.

[janmham123]

Nativist817 You obviously are ignorant of the whole issue! the Egyptian, lebonese and Syrian armies have never invaded Isreal but each have been by Isreal. they occupy lands belonging to Syria and Egypt. In 1948 the Jews were given 52% of the Palestinian territory since 1967 Isreal have taken against international law a further 35% of Palestinian land this does not seem like a nation that was under threat but by their actions have made enemies.

[cyklonb1989]

"You obviously are ignorant of the whole issue! the Egyptian, lebonese and Syrian armies have never invaded Isreal but each have been by Isreal."

really? ever heard of the First Arab- Israeli War in 1948?

[janmham123]

The new Isreal has only existed since 1948. The first Arab-Isreali war was to drive Palestinians from the land that had been Palestine for 2000 years! it became a war because Palestinians were protecting their land and homes.The agreement on land sharing agreed by Britain France and the Jewish gave Isreal 52% of land and with no agreement with the Palestinians 48% Isreal now occupies 87% .

[cyklonb1989]

don't change the topic. your statement is "You obviously are ignorant of the whole issue! the Egyptian, lebonese and Syrian armies have never invaded Isreal but each have been by Isreal."

I pointed out this is not true. Now either present a counterargument to show this is true or admit you are wrong.

[XLisaEHammondX]

On which part am I wrong on the fact that the new Isreal has only existed since 1948? that the land was palestine for the past 2000 years before 1948? If Isreal keep insisting on invading and occupying and taking lebonese, syrian and egyptian land and you think thats just and if these nations go to war with Isreal to defend their land then! obviously I am wrong in your eyes and proud I have a sense of morality

[cyklonb1989]

what the hell, I am talking to janmham123, who the fuck are you?

[Adonay96]

the arab nations declared war on israel. israel fought back and won. the arab countries (including the destroyed palestinian one) just seem to have a problem with loosing a war against non-muslims

[Nativist817]

Israel wouln;t have invaded any country if it wasn't attacked first."occupying" is a red herring too, once you defeat someone, YOU get to take their land. I guess we live in "Occupied America" because we took it from the Indians huh?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

So creepy Islam is.

[janmham123]

Isreal does not recognise Palestinians! on vast occasions I have heard Isreali spokesmen and women refer to Palestinians as arabs. Look at the pre and post Isreali maps of Palestine that proves to me who the victims are. Why does Isreal have the fourth largest army in the world they have six million population. This tells me it's for invasion not protection.

[Nativist817]

You're a FOOL. They have a large army because EVERY neighboring country wants them DEAD!

[blalst]

every neighbour country has a weak army any moderate army can defeat them in a month.

[modelfan1979]

In a March 31, 1977 interview with the newspaper Dagblad de Verdieping Trouw, PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhse'in said: The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people,

[malzbierchef]

Thats because every person from the age of 18-65(im not sure) is counting as a soldier!

[Adonay96]

first, palestinians are arabs. they are the same race, speak the same language, and mostly have the same religion. palestinians just try to seem like they are a different people when they are not. second, as far as conscripted men, israel is 31st, not fourth and has a population of 7.4 million. stop lying...

[12CIFOM]

Each islamic cult accuse other of deception and that is what their leader taught them well.

All muslims, without trying gain PhD in taqqiya.

[fashistputin]

Animals.

[cafeafuh]

ועוד יש בינינו כאלה שחושבים שיש עם מי לעשות שלום.

כדאי שהשמאל הישראלי ההזוי יתעורר למציאות שבה אנו חיים.

שלום באזורינו לא יהיה. רוצים שלום ? תלכו לחיות בשוויץ.

[Sharon1000000]

LOL WHAT A SUPRISE...

[rford191]

Taqiyya at work, folks. Tell the eager to believe west one thing, believe and do another.

[rulllar]

fatah is a disgrace. Dahlan has been shown as a complete hack. After being such a 'strongman', he was nowhere to be seen when Gaza fell so quickly to Hamas. He had about a decade of control over Gaza, and the result is a massive failure. It seems people never learn from their mistakes.

[SatchmoSings]

Mr. Dahlan is a rather pragmatic, for a politician, anyway.

Too bad the Israelis and the rest of the world AREN'T.

You should NEVER talk with terrorists; NEVER.

There is absolutely NOTHING that can be discussed with them.

[ovadia222]

and stupid Europe + Obama + some looney Israelis consider these people a partner for "peace" talks, give them money.

it's an insult to human intelligence.

[lookhearseee]

Palestinians don't desire peace. They don't deserve a state. They curse us while taking our money. They will fight Israel to the death of their own sacrificed children. There is no alternative. They must be crushed.

[jkpboca]

And we're giving these people aid... shameful!

[mah29732]

Of course "moderate" Fatah still refuses to recognize Israel. It's armed wings and fellow PLO factions have waged war in supporting Hamas and also Hezbollah.

[starcatcher7777]

Islam is a crime against ALL humanity and NO Muslim is a member of humanity anymore than a rabid dog is a pet!

Killing ANY AND ALL Muslims globally is a "good" thing for humanity and a bounty should be placed on ALL Muslims globally! AS THOSE THAT SUPPORT THEM AND GIVE THEM ANY AID OR COMFORT! That includes and politico !

[evospecies2]

Starcatcher, do I understand that you are proposing to exterminate some one and a half billion people? Mmmmm... that's like you are proposing the mother of all holocausts.

With all due respect, what makes you better than a Muslim, having the holy mission to establish Islam world wide and exterminate all that do not submit to Islam? Is it the cause that justifies the means?

[starcatcher7777]

evo:

What would you do with them? Move them into your community ? I cannot think of a better poster child of genocide than Muslim or Aztecs; can you?

Or do you think human sacrifice is just another religion ?

Tell me, what vile acts of Muhammed do you condemn? Lets find out where your moral compass is and then lets start from there!

If the cause does not justify the means then what does?

[evospecies]

(1) Starcatcher, your ideas and Islams have something in common: the full extermination of an opponent. This concept is as old as humanity. There is a difference though: Islam has no ethics that condemn such an approach, on the contrary Islam proclaims it, while Western world ethics consider this approach immoral. Hence, my question: what makes you better than a Muslim? Do you have a better cause? Causes never justify means! Means can only be reasonably justified by ethics.

[starcatcher7777]

evo:

Total WAR ; Total TERROR FOR TERROR NO QUARTER!

[evospecies]

Starcarcher, your fallback to senseless oneliners reveals that you have little to say on the subject. But at least it establishes where your moral compass is.

[starcatcher7777]

evo:

What do you suggest you do with Rabid Dogs like Muslims ? Move them into you your community ? HOW ABOUT SOME FGM AND cut the clits off your female family members? For a little taste of Islam for starters ?

2009.03.15 Pakistan Multan 2 0 A young husband and his pregnant wife, both doctors, are brutally murdered by Islamists for being minority Ahmadiyya.

2009.03.15 Yemen Shibam 5 4 Four Korean tourists and a local are murdered by fundamentalist bombers.

[evospecies]

Starcatcher, did I not anser that question alreadY? I referred you to a list of literature where sensible people discuss solutions other than your rabid views.

[evospecies]

(2) Starcatcher, justifying means with causes inevitably leads to massacre, terrorism, torture, murder and submission. This is what Islam demonstrates. If the West takes that path, it is no better than Islam.

With all due respect, this positions my moral compass and yours.

Your rightful question what then to do I have a difficulty to answer within this limited space. I would direct you to the literature list of Evospecies, the books by Robert Spencer and Gregory Davis.

[starcatcher7777]

EVO:

What part of Total WAR dont you get:

You think they can and do all of the above and YOU THINK WE SHOULD TIE OUR OWN HANDS?

You are a fools fool!

[evospecies]

Starcatcher, I advise you to go read the literature I mentioned and then come back to this subject.

Otherwise, calling someone names is a sign of weakness, it is a logical fallacy and completely weightless. From your reactions it appears that the subject is way over your head.

[starcatcher7777]

Evo:

Here how about YOU READ THE REALITY !

More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined

2009.03.19 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 An aid worker is gunned down in his car by Islamic militia assassins.

2009.03.17 Pakistan Pirwadhai 14 25 At least fourteen people are killed when a suicide bomber detonates at a crowded bus stop.

[evospecies]

Starcatcher, please, the point is not the lack of morality of Islam and how this affects its followers. We know all about that reality. Your problem is your violent and dangerous tunnel vision and your total refusal to listen to reason.

You asked me a question, I responded, and you did not even mind my answer.

This discussion is closed.

[starcatcher7777]

evo:

YOU ARE VERY WRONG THAT IS EXACTY THE POINT THE TOTAL AND COMPLETE LACK OF MORALITY OF ISLAM!

LMOA: Reason? Tell me about your EURO-TRASH reasoning? LOL Dhimmi!