To John Travolta and His Friends

[erinkwalsh]

LRH is NOT a god, faith should come without a price!!!!!!!!!!!! Nice to get the scoop on the false prophet!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OriginalIntentDoc]

Tory, I was a friend of John Travolta's best friend Anson Downs and was in Scientology myself. This fucking YouTube won't let me post my entire message to you so please go to Film Reform Discussion Forum to read the entire thing. Thanks James Jaeger

[missmarplestampon]

Jett was really ugly anyway. Something that freaky and ugly shouldnt be allowed to live.

[annacramful]

@missmarplestampon -idiot

[SonnyBoyPics]

I know a scientologist who needs some serious meds...too bad his "religion" will not let him...pathetic. He yells a lot and then says "thank you"...I got it now....lmao

[lizzjulz]

wonderful video tory...this makes me so sad and scared for who i know in this. **sigh**

I am truly hope one of his friends gets through to him with this. It is just so sad

[zenki36830]

Come see us in boston (annon) ;-)

norway... more like snoreway!

[hl2vshalo2]

psyciatry and Psycology have been PROVEN to work. scientology followers come off as quite dumb if they cant see that.

[kingazzaman]

Off topic man, but I love your handle: "hl2vshalo2"

Half life and Halo both own and so does your YT name. Kudos

[hl2vshalo2]

@kingazzaman thanks

[ChurchOfCylontology]

Rock on Tory. I wish you, Larry Bren and Headley would get together and write part 2.

[TheDragonCult]

LRH is Xemu. He is the one who delivered the R6 implants (ie: brainwashing by forcing others to watch days worth of false and created events) and once he achieved himself to be the first and only OT9, the LRH thetan discarded its body where it is beginning the same process on another planet a galaxy away.

[NotTooObvious]

i thought travolata was not too proud to be scientologist until he showed up to that celebration the other day.

[greatgiginthesky2739]

GO TORY!!! :)

[AnonTbomb]

John....most of your movies really suck. I mean REALLY suck. but people like you man, wake up.

[webyourstuff]

Hey, Tory -

Luv your stuff... BUT... Scientology does work. Scientology as delivered by the Church Of Scientology doesn't work, because it's done wrong.

Good that you keep speaking out, but PLEASE don't throw the baby out with the bath water!

Scientology does work.

[ToryMagoo44]

Really? Which part? I'm not saying ALL of Scientology doesn't work, but the vast majority doesn't. The parts that do, Hubbard stole from others, and people can get either for free, or for $20 at their local bookstores, under "Self-Improvement", or their libraries, totally for free. I hate that expression, btw. I've heard it since I left. There is no "Baby" to throw away, imnsho. Scientology working is an oxymoron. Take care, and be well, TLC

[webyourstuff]

Yes, some things out here parallel what's in there. I've found literature predating LRH. That's irrelevant.

You call on J.T. to admit Scientology doesn't work. The rest of what you said was excellent. Suppose hears you. He says "keep talking", you say "Scientology doesn't work", he says, "I've seen it work". You've lost your case.

Travolta must have seen SOME gains.

Tory, You know those gains are there!

[ToryMagoo44]

When you're at the top....there is a reality that NO ONE Knows, who hasn't done it. I know it, and he knows what I'm talking about.

You can pitch all day how "Scientology works".....I know what he knows and he knows what I'm speaking about.

Best :) Tory/Magoo

[webyourstuff]

Ok. You know John. I don't. If what you said was aimed at that being, and arrives, excellent!

[Dracopol]

What "gains"? With tormented, belabored "auditing" methods, the ridiculous exercises, and pop-psychology you could have gotten out of the right paperback for $10?

[trinity12357]

@webyourstuff

My question is: if the Tech does work, then why did LRH resort to scuzzy methods to "teach" it? If he was really trying to save humanity, wouldn't he publish it non-profit so the most people could have it?

I'm not slamming your beliefs, but its obvious, from LRH actions, he didn't believe in the tech. And he invented it. That there calls into question how any of it could "work".

[trinity12357]

On second thought, the parts of the tech that appear to "work" are probably parts ripped off from other spiritual traditions, religions and *gasp* psychiatry. ;)

[webyourstuff]

Hi Trinity -

Good questions, but I can't answer them in the letter count on this reply.

My answer would cover things like: Ron's contribution vs Miscavage's contribution, Ron is not God, how corruption entered in.

I got thru OT4 when I was in Scientology, and the good I got out of it, I am not willing to give back.

Then the door closed. Ethics and more ethics. Few were "ethical enough" to get through. Those that did were so fearful of a misstep, they made poor case gain.

[rbrhood]

Take another look at the history of the church. Miscavige did not start the corruption and abuse by any means. Hubbard came up with the idea of overboarding while his fleet was at sea. Long before Lisa McPherson, there was a young woman named Susan Meister, who wound up dead on the Apollo. If you think Hubbard was not aware of operations Snow White and Freakout, you are deluding yourself. The list goes on. Hubbard was evading the authorities just as Miscavige seems to be.

[NotTooObvious]

webyourstuff, tory has other videos that explain what she's talking about. if you say something doesn't work, they send you 2 ethics or try 2 get you "handled" so you think it does work. u aren't allowed 2 discuss anything u learn in scientology with others, so you walk around like a zombi thinking you must be the only one who doesn't think it works. they use classic cult methods to maintain all this. you can't see scientology doesn't work unless you can catch a glimpse from outside their world

[wkryan]

Thanks for making a video about it. I posted the comment about Jet's Autism a little while back and I do think this is more of an issue than others may think. Especially considering that the Travolta's denied his Autism for as long as I can remember - siting Kawasaki Syndrome instead - and only now do I hear them acknowledge that he was Autistic.

Way to Go Tory! Keep it up

[66kompis]

I really hope that he'll wake up and leave but it just seems like they have too much leverage on him............Great video though!

[thejohnsmith]

Great video Tory...keep 'em comming.

[StopUnumNow]

Another great video Tory.

Many thanks for posting

[Richardgwm]

Religion kills

[hangover71]

WOW....!!!!

Why to go  !!!

[chrisjabur]

By the way, the friend I mentioned in my last comment (her name is Lucélia Holland), stopped talking to me because I started criticising Scientology.

[62bentonjoe]

thank you so much tory

[chrisjabur]

Hi Tory, how are you? I have a question. I've seen Tom Cruise's video against psychiatry and criticising Brooke Shields for using drugs against PPD. You say Scientology is against psychology (which is a different area), as well as psychiatry. But I've got a friend, living in São Paulo, who's a psychologist and who worked in a clinic here in my town attending people. My question is: how does a psychologist becomes a Scientologist?

[FeralRat]

You would think a trained psychologist, of all people, would be able to readily identify the mind control techniques used in cults. :S

[ToryMagoo44]

There are many books written by professionals, about CULTS. Google is your friend ;) Tory/Magoo

[FeralRat]

Oh yeah, it's very interesting stuff. Though even in the general psychology course I took in college (or was it high school?), there was a brief section covered on mind control and cults.

[Goldowolf]

Great video. Thank you for sharing.

[2009Together]

GOOGLE > ( How Don Jason Escaped Scientology )

[rbrhood]

Thank you. There's now someone who did the training routines with Travolta and someone who did them with Cruise speaking out. (Those ashtrays are going to need therapy!)

[RichardTaitor]

We are watching you! You are doing a great job, love the voice of reasonable decent.

[supermarky]

they have too much on him

[ToryMagoo44]

naw....that's a common mis-conception.

The *last* thing Scientology would do is spread secrets about their Celebrities. Why? They (C of $) knows these people have access to TONS of media, and could expose their abuses faster than anyone.

He's safe to leave...he just needs to make the leap: LEAP AND THE NET WILL APPEAR :) TLC

[rbrhood]

It might also be his family. Maybe he's not convinced he can get his wife to join him. In that case he'd' be facing a divorce, and I can understand why he wouldn't put his daughter through that in the current circumstances, having lost Jett.

[PirateofAnonymous]

@ToryMagoo44

You're right in that people like Haggis has tons of media and would expose Scn if they tried to blackmail him or release his PC folder.

But to some - maybe like John - they can threaten to do it and while John could certainly retaliate in media, knowing that all his secrets could become public might discourage him from ever saying anything.

Fear is what keeps a lot of members inside and Travolta is no exception.

[yorkandpomona]

that drill is teaching you to take crap and to give it, that its ok to be treated badly and that its ok to treat others badly. breaking u donw and beating u up. The whole thing being against the meds and psychiatry is wrong.....just like the teachers in $cientology schools don't need credentials....just like the many many people who have died like Kendrick Moxon's daughter in the rpf camp, just like the family's broken up and child labor...peace for all to blow THXZ TORY!!!!!

[llama9274]

Torry, You have made me very well informed about $cilons and the evils that follow them.

I thank you :)

[Dracopol]

There ought to be a way to get to John Travolta, Tom Cruise, and the rest. There is always a back-channel, a path with few degrees of separation. "No man is an island."

[colbour]

thank you tory

[Fogslifted]

Great message. I've always had a feeling since researching this that people like Travolta, and Cruise are kept away from the abuses that "Regular" people deal with daily. At least I hope so. I feel like Travolta and Cruise, and I'm sure many others are good people. They could still do all the good things they do without attatching it to scientology. It's causing them to lose their own identity in my opinion. I actually first heard of it through Lisa Marie Presley.

[Fogslifted]

Lisa was talking about kids being over medicated.

It was some show like 20\20 or something? Anyway I actually agreed with what she was saying at the time. I hadn't realized she was TOTALLY against ANY medication. I mean some kids are helped by them. I agree some doctors are to quick to diagnose. But that doesn't mean it's wrong for ALL. It was Tom Cruise with Matt L. that for me crossed the line. I do research also, that doesn't qualify me as a doctor! Anyway, I pray your message gets through.

[2009Together]

GOOGLE > ( Deaths of Scientology ) > GOOGLE > ( Lisa McPherson ) > GOOGLE > ( The Truth Rundown ) >

[cheappassion]

Marc Headly is great!!!! I'm going to order his book, Blown for Good, next week.

[SlappyThePenguin]

Excellent message!

[KittyKatSpanker]

John Travolta. WAKE UP

[KittyKatSpanker]

Netherlands reporting in. Get on the gay parade canal boats god damn it.  lets Party Hard.

[GwLDS]

the more i learn about the church of Scientology the more i feel for the people who have been hurt by this group.

it is good that there are people like you who care enough to inform and help those still in this group

[justanothermoralfag]

True, the cult's policies killed his son, but he's just as much to blame. Fuck you, John.

[ToryMagoo44]

:) You're most welcome. The main people I feel like I'm a spokesperson for are the families or loved ones who have experienced or fear "Disconnection"--one of Scientology's worst abuses. They can't speak out---or they'll lose their loved one.

Thus I speak. If you're in that catagory---you're most welcome :) Either way.... My love to you,

Tory/Magoo

PS: Enjoy Denver!

[bagelboi66]

Very powerful Tory. I hope he and others see it. And thanks for the encouragement you give us all :)