The revenge of the Waffen SS, and the courage of Hausser to ignore Hitlers order to defend Kharkov just like he ordered Paulus in Stalingrad. Hausser knew what would have happened to this elite forces had he obyed Hitlers order. A second Stalingrad. Hitler was out of his mind of anger and flew to the east demanded the retake of the city. For once he gave Manstein free hand and after a epic battle which cost the SS approx 80% of their men and material they captured Kharkov again.
@Urgundulum. I thought it was in the spring of 42, but indeed the facts you post are correct. Stupid of Adolf to have split his Armygroups in three and later let Guderian and von Bock loose time over the capture of the Ukraine. A huge military victory that was indeed, but he lost too much time and material to capture Moskou during Operatipn Typhoon. He could indeed have won if he made one single thrust for Moskou, but he didn,t want to listen to his generals whom he didn,t trust.
@zweijntjeHad HITLER listened to GUDERIAN Moscow would had been encircled and won by 1941 or in the worst scenario 1942, but Hitler moved Army group center to help in LENINGRAD and sent GUDERIAN to KIEV, HUGE BLUNDERS that only helped soviets create an enormous 3 line defense in MOSCOW plus reserves forces on its rearguard, so later in the BATTLE OF MOSCOW the germans suffered first defeat with 500 000 casualties.
HITLER was just a insane/maniac/evil and incompetent corporal, OKW was Hitler.
@zweijntje Hitler didn't have any strategic objective in USSR, so he kept moving armies up and down for no reason except insanity, GUDERIAN had in mind MOSCOW he was right, because it was the HEART of USSR with all train terminals, there was chaos and looting in Moscow, it was about to fall, because the german advance didn't stall in any place like STALIN wanted in order to have time and get large mobilization that TIMOSHENKO talked about weeks before, so GUDERIAN was about to win the war, but.
@MrBobe9 That is not exactly right, but indeed Hitler made a big mistake by splitting his Armies in three, He should have listened to Guderian, Von Leeb and von Bock whom almost begged him to make one single thrust towards Moskou. Urgundulum is fully right the German caught the Red Army with it,s pants down, plans of attack on Germany and the rest of Europe where ready, I only thought is was in 42 Stalin wanted to attack.
@zweijntje GUDERIAN invented the BLITZKRIEG he was admired by his men, HITLER was just jealous and also had ABSOLUTE POWER, when you give ABSOLUTE POWER TO A MORON( I mean HITLER made himself the SUPREME COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF HIS ARMIES) that what happens, incompetence and plenty of blunders of a CORPORAL leading GENERALS.
In less than 2 years Hitler's blunders caused 2 million casualties in the EASTERN FRONT/SOVIET UNION. Just STALINGRAD/VOLGA/DON area caused 1 500 000 million german casualties
Hitler did not have a choice. If he would not have attacked the USSR, Stalin would have done so in 42, and with nothing standing in between him but a defeated German Army he would have rolled his tanks right to the coast of the Atlantic. Hitler let the BEF escape in Dunkirk in 1940 because he did,nt want war with the UK, Churchill however wanted war with HitlerGermany. Lucky for him Adolf gave him the opportunity.
actually you are wrong, mostly because the attack of the USSR to germany was planned to start in the first week of july 1941. the USSR even removed all the minefields and the border fences including the barbwire, about 70% of the Red army was stationed in 150KM from the german border, the Red army storehouses were full of europe maps and russian-german vocabulary. so in fact the german army couch the Red army with their pants down.
@Urgundulum This is as correct as possible by my notice. The first serious military studies into this topic indeed made clear Stalin had the plans ready and his Red Army moved into strategic positions to attack Germany somewhere in 41 or 42. Only resently these studies are being taken seriously, it used to be the other way round. Hitler was the great agressor, discussion closed! Ofcourse this war between the 2 Great Dictators still is the most horrible ever fought in the history of warfare.
imagine if germany never would have went east and invaded russia,russia had plans to sweep threw europe after they had dtook poland,they would have aquired the atomic bomb plus all other german scientific break throughs. The use would have been tied up in japan and in the pacific in fact they prob would have never beat them if it was not for the atmoic bomb as the us troops were deserting and running from battle when the japs stood there ground and battled to the death. History is written by usa
@laurence915 You're a silly, illiterate, American-fed loser. Your arguments are completely stupid. Your grammar and syntax make no sense whatsoever. Learn to express yourself properly, and only then start posting up comments about such topics. "written by USA*, it is in my ass! LOL
It was only from the superior skills and training of WAFFEN SS( also they got their best weapons available), that the war didn't finish in 1943 at KURSK, even then the soviets had a ratio of 3 to 5 in soldiers and tanks over germans and they suffered catastrophic losses (despite all the soviet propaganda we heard since ).
It was in 1944 when the soviets because of their huge numbers of tanks and their 400 infantry divisions( also huge losses soviets didn't care) got to push back the germans.
@MrBobe9 And it was after the battle at Kursk the Western Allies where sure Germany was loosing the war. Realising Josef would not stop until he reached the coast of the Atlantic they started planning Operation Overlord. And this operation only was a succes because Adolf was sleeping and no-one dared waking him, so the panzerdivisons in Normandy got into action too late.
@NiggadickJaxHD No It wasn,t That was Operation Typhoon. The battle for Moskou in the winter of 41. The first russian winter the German Army had no protective clothing because Adolf wanted the war to be victorious before Christmass 41 and have a Grand Victory Parade on the Red Square. That was done in 45 but not by the German Army.
@LordHarris1983 The awkward moment when the Russian Army invades your land, rapes your women and takes all your food and anything else valuable you might own
@slim77k Yeah.And you should correct your ignorance of the English language before committing your "thoughts" to written words."Buisness" and "should of".
@slim77k really the same generals that said there would be no landing at normandy and defied hitlers order to reinforce that sector for just one example
You are precisely correct. Had Hitler listened to perhaps the greatest collection of military minds ever assembled, the Wermacht would have taken Moscow BEFORE the dreaded winter of 1941 and would have finished off the Soviet Union in 1942. The disaster at Stalingrad would have been averted had Hitler heeded the advice of his Field Marshals. The outcome of WW2 would have been totally different had Hitler allowed his generals to wage the war. Thank God that he didnt!
John Mosier in his newest book "Deathride" is claiming that the year 1943 was the most bloodiest for Soviet Union. Mosier estimates that Soviet might have lost 7.5 million soldiers during that year and without allies landing in Italy and enourmously growing lend lease help from west to Soviet, Soviet Union might have collapsed that year.
Mosier found the loss rate for russians as terrible bad, not much better than those years 1941-42.
@tranmere789 Untrue. Actually, the Reds were growing stronger due to factories in Urals and American aid. In the first year, Reds lost 4M soldiers; in the rest of the war, only 1 million captured. You surrender when you're outta ammo, and facing certain death, without choice. After 1942, German defeat was certain.
this was the last major German success on the Eastern Front no thanks to the Fuhrer By the way anyone know why the Waffen SS and the USMC are the only ones to use camoflouge fatigues?
Germs/Germans were only good at surprising ppl. Once the real fight starts they always run. If you are beat by Russian farmers and women you are not a good soldier.
@HugoRauss Not I'm no fan of the NAZIs myself but to say they couldn't fight is absurd The Russians lost a lot more men than the Germans as to who was more cruel and brutal I don't know but I do know this when it came to raping helpless women the Russians win that one hands down And don't get down on his level calling each other names I'm from NY by the way and my Grandfather with German ancestors fought with the US Army in France and my Dad fought on Iwo Jima Nazism was a curse but fight? yes
@elamite66 In your opinion what do you think happened to the surrendering 100000 man 6th army and while only 6k came back and I know disease and starvation happend why do you think the returning to germany numbers were so low
@stevemtc1 I think that they died of exposure starvation disease and general ill treatment and over work under harsh conditions and some may have been outright murdered and all this over a period of 12 years I imagine the largest numbers may have died being marched away on the freezing steppe and possibly those who couldn't make it were shot
@fluffy1931 you're a hard kid to get hold of fluffy boy was this the comment where you called me a fuckface etc. because my Father couldn't possilby have been in France and Iwo Jima? If you had read the above comment you can see it says Grandfather in France and Father in the invasion of Iwo Jima That's 1917 and 1945 moron and what's all that bullshit at the bottom the latest computer speak?If you were a man you'd apologize instead of hiding and blocking your inbox but you're a kid right fluffy?
@elamite66 ..grow a pair. fuckface. it's internet. I removed the post within minutes. It revisionist fantasy comparing russian atrocities with nazi germany artocities and ranking russian atrocities (rape) within the same breath as worst (sources?). Don't mention the nazi occupation & and all the fun & games germany commited for over 4yrs on europe? Genocide, Holocuast , mass murder etc.,
@fluffy1931 you grow a pair fluffy boy If you had a pair you would have apologized like a man remove the post? it's still in my e-mail and whats' all this shit about Nazis and Russians got to do with what you said? But you're just a kid so that's why you're changing the subject to "no nazism on Iwo Jima" like that's got something to do with anything Yeah it's internet but it doesn't have to be like this except for little cunts like you
Even back then, the propaganda ministry were combining war footage with lively orchestra music....it's rather creative and innovative...How would any German who consume this think that the war was lost in the east?
When situation in spring 43 looked really bad, Hitler flew away from high command in his FW200 to Germany, so Manstein could have act free ,handle that crap and turn defeat into Charkow victory.
When situation in spring 43 looked really bad, Hitler flew away from high command in his FW200 to Germany, so Mainstern could have act free ,handle that crap and turn defeat into Charkow victory.
The "Germans were idiots then": wow what an amazing piece deduction and insight!
You're the idiot; why don't silly asses like yourself and @illtakepoint get together and write a book; you both sound like you have PhD's in German history and WW2.
@IceRich05 Yeah right, and you would be dead very quick if you where lucky. Ore maybe you would have fallen into the hands of the Red Army. and be scraping lead wth your fngernails out of the mnes at the Kolima river in Siberia. Hero!!!
ýes. the ashkenazy jews is a kind of mafia hiding everywhere behind false names, false companies etc. who control the military by means of bribes, drugs, homo-sexuality. who plan murders on governments, royal families, and honest good people. in other words, a mafia who wants to pervert the world.
At 30 seconds that guy is handing the motorcycle courier an order for a 12 inch pepperoni pizza from domino`s. You can clearly see at 33 seconds he makes sure to ask for extra pepperoni.
@swpaul04 General Westmoreland was a lacky, that did what he was told to do by his masters. The Vietnam Conflict was not fought to be won, it was fought to be prolonged.
If Manstein would have leaded Germany from 1939 onwards, the world would be pretty screwed up today. He's no politicians, I think, but he's rational and a genius when it comes to warfare, therefore, if he interferes with High Command's decions, he wouldn't be making it worse for the war effort. Unlike how Hitler did.
hitler went crazy!, and got desperate like the soviet got when they where pounded!, but hitler did not have 1000 miles of land as defensive barrier. so germany lost. blame hitler. or his medical team for not developing peniciline what ever its called, but the generals & men where competent, oh yeah blame fossil fuel too!▐▐▐
Ummm, Saigon was the capital of the RVN, they were on our side dickhead. Besides, VN was 4GW not 3GW, Manstein wouldn't have any better ideas than Westmoreland or Abrams.
well said. Westmoreland was a genious of a general. he did the best with the limitaions he had to deal with. I often wonder what direction the war would had taken if he was allowed to strike north and take Hanoi.
Westmoreland would have had no chance, there would have been just a larger death toll in the Vietnam War, the Viet were supported with Chinese soldiers and Chinese manufactured weapons, they had vast amounts of each. Russia at the time Guaranteed Chinas borders from US attack, so the US could not go to the source of manufacturing. That would have been horrendous for the US at the time, especially with the size of the Soviet military, study the size, it was a juggernaut military machine.
if the US had gone North, it would happen the same thing it did in North Korea, the chinese would pour in. They were, and still are very adamant about unwanted neighbours near their borders.
@brendonnz1964 Prior to OSS installing Diem, the Vietnamese hated the PRC as they had been mortal enemies for eons, and they were not Communist at all. The Vietnam Conflict was not fought to hinder the PRC, or even the Soviets for that matter. America sided with hommocidal French colonialists, to SCREW the Vietnamese, and to provoke a slaughter that could be sustained.
@willypete2171 General Westmoreland was an unimaginative butcher, who was a yes man and bootlicking lackey to his masters. He did as he was told, and was rewarded accordingly.
@centurion180ad I'll have to flatly disagree with you. Westmoreland was a highly intelligent and masterful General. He never lost a battle, fought with his hands tied behind his back - was not allowed to go north, and brilliantly handled a logistical nightmare due to Vietnam being on the other side of the world. He did what he was told, because the American public had enough.
@centurion180ad I'll have to flatly disagree with you. Westmoreland was a highly intelligent and masterful General. He never lost a battle, fought with his hands tied behind his back - was not allowed to go north, and brilliantly handled a logistical nightmare due to Vietnam being on the other side of the world. He did what he was told, because the American public had enough.
which then set the stage for Kursk anf then another major set back for the Germans. It must have been so frustrating for Masntein to see his forces get whithered away and be outnumbered...
von Manstein encouraged the offensive, Hitler wanted to call it off, as did everyone else on 20 July, yet Manstein tried to convince him success was near and they should continue. Read David Glantz' Battle of Kursk.
All of the german armored and mobile divisions were depleted, at that point. Almost all of the new heavier tanks which they relied on to punch through were disabled, damaged or destroyed. Infantry when engaged, and got separate from tanks suffered horrendous casualties, with whole battallions lost in day. Germans bet on a breakthrough like the other times, but at this time the Red Army was not the same as in 1941. They knew how to separate infantry from armor and deal with each piecemeal.
@jmbrosendo Kharkov was a bridge too far for the Soviets, in the winter of 1943. The NKVD dug-in like an Alabama tick in the factory district which bled the SS getting them out of there, but the field battles on the flanks of the city were foregone.
@willypete2171 Manstein was a Prussian aristocrat, a Holy Roman Empire Blue Blood elitist. He may have lamented attrition in his own power as his units were blown away, but he was not a sympathetic character in any way. General Gehlen of the Abwehr knew that the Soviets were not a spent force. GEN Manstein was one of the Nazis that listened to him.
Hitler forced Manstein to throw away his strategic reserve in the earlier Kurks-Oboian offensive ad then stripped away vital armored units to counter the Allied landings in Sicily, just before the Soviets counterattacked in force.
I don't know why you consider it "throwing away"... this offensive stopped the Red Army from crossing the Dnieper in Spring '43.
The Red Army later suffered massive casualties crossing a much more prepared Dnieper line in the late Fall of '43 and they wouldn't completely cross until Spring '44
Mansteins success in mauling the Soviets around Kharkov earlier in 1943 prompted Hitler to commit vital forces to operation Citadel later in July - giving Zhukov plenty of time to dig in and fight a war of attrition. It was the Germans who couldn't afford the casualties and they lost the ability to defend a contiguous front after July 1943
Good thing Hitler was a military idiot, otherwise we would all be sprekken de deutsche. When his generals acted on their own they did crap like this here.
4. Germany does not declare war on the USA forcing the USA to concentrate on JAPAN if they attack germany at all, but I would say by then Britian would have been defeated. No Hitler running the war would have meant succesfully determining radar as the reason for Britians success in the air, then the Luftwaffe would have made simple countermeasures.
@MrDhcracker If Germany did not declare war on the USA then the NAZI American & English BANKERS that //created// & //funded// Hitler could have overtly won world war two, so we'd all be UnterMensch slaves to fascist mass murdering Debt Syndicate bankers, but we'd be English speaking rather than German. Come to think of it, that is exactly where we are headed NOW.
I don't care much for Nazi propaganda style in this clip. It's a good example of "embedded reporting", which is one sided, unimaginative, and brutal on the message. It's fun to see that it still evokes some feelings in the neo-nazies posting their comments here, the super-race with small tiny brains.
Wholesale images of German wounded? A rout by the Russians? Supply lines being broken by Guerillas?
There really is no place for 'balanced reporting' in propaganda. The entire *point* of it is that it's not balanced.
To be sure, it's pretty heavy on the gunfire, but the Germans had no shortage of other types of propaganda (from the glorious, shining soldier of the SS, to suggestions on postcards set to their enemies that jews were screwing their wives)
Brilliant counter against the Russians. The Waffen-SS are some of the best soldiers in history - well motivated and very determined against overwhelming Red Army numerical advantage. But history is written by the winners and now they are nothing but war criminals. How sad.
@Pyrrhus72 A reinforced NKVD Rifle Battalion was hold-up in the factory district of Kharkov, and cost the Waffen-SS quite a bit of blood & tears to take out. Where was that assaut, in this video?
Pretty intense. My great grandpa was in Waffen SS and died on the Eastern front from a grenade towards the end of the war. He could've even been in this battle.
Yes definitely....Von Paulus should have stood up and either broke out or accepted the Russians first offer of surrender...Not continue to listen to the Austrian and his lunacy....Too many good German soldiers died there that didn't need to...Von Manstein was no coward, he just could have stood taller.
Von Manstein was a good Commander sure....But he didn't have the balls to challenge Hitler when Hitler let the 6th Army perish in Stalingrad.....Hitler was such a wanker.
Von Manstein led the failed relief effort to save the 6th Army. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Hitler's order for the 6th Army to hold their position was actually a good call. They would have been mauled, if not annihilated, breaking out of the Soviet cordon. After that, where could they go? They would have been finished off on the Steppe or trying to retreat across the Don.
Von Paulus was a coward for surrendering. Almost all of his men died in captivity anyway.
What you say is not true. The 6th Army could have withdrawn and not been cut off. Von Paulus was no coward. He obeyed the order not to surrender until the 6th Army was no longer an effective fighting force due to frostbite, lack of ammunition, and starvation.
Said Hitler "The 6th Army has the power to storm the heavans." At one point and time this was practically true, but it could only go so far - especially after being stripped of its armor.
No one ever suggested the 6th Army withdraw until they were already completely cut off, so what are you talking about? What I said was completely true. Von Paulus was an absolute coward. He was an officer of the worst sort, notice how clean and well fed him and his staff were when captured? Then he lied at Nuremburg and said that his men were alive and being treated well, when he knew that almost all of them were already dead. He shouldn't have surrendered, but he was a selfish coward.
by withdrawing in a timely manner, the 6th Army could have been re-connected with their much needed supply train before they were encircled......just look later in the war in Normandy 1944, the German 7th Army withdrew through the Falaise Gap to live and fight another day, avoiding certain annihalation at the hands of the Allies.
Again, withdrawing was never on the table until they were encircled. Have you any idea of the nature of the encirclement? It took just over a day for the Soviets to breach both flanks and unite at Kalach. You honestly think that would have been enough time to withdrawal before the kettle was sealed?!?!
Falaise was a completely different story. That was a slowly advancing front that gradually moved toward encirclement. 17th SS was able to blunt the southern pincer, allowing the withdrawal.
7th Army escaped only after leaving a long line of wrecked tanks and vehicles at Falaise after facing virtually unopposed aerial assault from RAF Hawker Typhoon and Yank P-51 fighters
@illtakepoint As I've understood the 6th Army could have escaped even after being encircled. Relieving forces got to within 48 kilometers from 6th Army's southern positions in Stalingrad, but von Paulus refused to break out. Largely based on Hitlers expressed orders not to...
Found some info on english Wikipedia: Operation_Winter_Storm#Collapse:_19.E2.80.9323_December
@illtakepoint , your point about the Falaise Gap is true, but the Gap itself was the result of a screw up on the part of the Allied command. Had there not been a misunderstanding about Army boundries the Gap wouldn't have been there for them to retreat to. And Paulus couldn't retreat anywhere without Hitler's OK.
@neverindoubt cravenly? not as craven as soldiers of the Red Army if you can measure it by the numbers who surrendered as you evidently do Both German soldeirs and Red Army soldiers knew what surrender meant how come so many more Red army soldiers surrendered? I'm not prepared to judge any man put in that situation but you evidently feel qualified What do you base this qualification on?
@elamite66 ss were slime, and the waffen ss were the excrudesence of slime. Great at bopping helpless victims, not so good at fighting Red Army or US Army heros.
@neverindoubt I've thought more about how I worded the comment above and I didn't mean to imply the Red Army soldier was craven I shouldn't have put it that way The NAZIs were a curse especially considersing what they did in the USSR Poland and to the Jews and Gypsys but I don't think it's true that they couldn't fight The did surprisingly well holding off half the world as long as they did and I don't think the average German soldier was a coward or the kind of psycho case Hitler & Co. were
The consensus of 6th Army men themselves was that Hitler had betrayed them, not Von Paulus.For VP to broadcast anti-Hitler diatribes over radio Moscow 1943-44 was a no brainer. 6th army was overextended and vulnerable, also flanked by poorly equipped Axis forces from Italy Hungary and yes- Romania
@einsatzdeath An open field battle would have greatly helped 6th Army, as the Soviets would have been sandwitched between that and Mansteins limited relief effort. In the open, the Soviets were no match for the Wehrmacht at this time.
@centurion180ad Where do you think the pincers that surrounded Stalingrad broke thru? Open field ... The germans were vastly outnumbered. It was no longer a question of tactics or strategy.. it would have taken a miracle to overcome the numbers
@osalcido85 The Wehrmacht was critically mistaken in concentrating ALL of their armored forces into the city fighting. The Soviets smashed the flanks into an encirclement because NO Wehrmacht armored forces were capable of leaving the city fight to repel them. Reinhard Gehlen realized that Soviet reserves were reaching the front in force, but by that time Hitler was countermanding everyone and choosing not to believe the facts as they became known to him; exactly how our economy is run today.
@centurion180ad Overall the Soviet forces that surrounded Stalingrad outnumbered the Germans in and around the city, if only marginally. Still, the Soviets were able to launch a simultaneous offensive in front of Moscow with even greater numbers than those used at Stalingrad. Even though that failed to break through, that the Soviets could launch two enormous offensives on two widely separated areas of the front proves that the Germans were facing ultimate defeat.
Bellicose Bombastico, I know of the US Census B. reports: whoopty-do. You have something against 'white people' or do you think you know evrything or both? The 'white' population in the USA is growing but it is the opposite in Europe, however any small declines are just that, small. Illegal immigrants are being deported now in both the USA and Europe and in many other nations in the world.
Bellicose27, Why don't you gow-up and quit being an idiot. All you do is curse like an idiot, therefore you must indeed be an idiot, a very ignorant idiot. You are from Canada according to your youtube homesite. Are you a racist Canadian?? Seems as if you are.
Bellicose27, Sorry, I am not overweight, don't drink booze or use drugs, and am not a homosexual like your silly self. I live in Detroit and have both white and black and etc. neighbors and get along fine. I also served with many excellent black and etc. soldiers. Your use of ehtnic slurs exposes your own biggotry and immaturity. You are a FUNNY PUNK.
christof139, Ok you live in a trailer park in Detroit and you dropped out of high school. You are a pedophile and probably did some time in the state prison.
Bellicose, You are bombastic, and quite wrong. Problem of illegal immigration will probably never be completely solved, but some will be eventually granted citizenships, and many will and are being deported, and the criminals will either be jailed or killed while breaking laws. Many legal immigrants and native born Hispanics and Muslims don't want the illegals and criminals among the illegals and are supporting efforts against these illegals.
christof139, You are very naive and quite wrong. US Census reported by 2055 the white population will be the minority in USA. Big corporations love high immigration which translates into lower wages and cheap labour. The President Mexico indicated it is only a matter of time before California, Texas, Arizona return to Mexico!
SSWolf80, All you can do is call people names, therefore I will descend to your level and retaliate: You are a stupid uneducated punk that has never served any nation yet alone our own. The Nazi regime was an evil regime based on delusions, illusions, etc. etc. etc. You are a worthless schmuck, a putz. Kanst du die Deutsche Sprache sprechen du schwein kopf.
It doesn't matter how "terrible" Hitler is thought to be. What's a million times worse is that obama is calling the shots. God help us all in this miserable bullshit, rotten leadership. That muslim loving jackass doesn't even have proper citizenship, it's being fought in the courts ever since he slid into office.
obama was born in hawaii and the governor of hawaii has already shown proof in october and just the other day. you sound like one of those hysterical people that thinks obama is gonna take away all your guns.
Yeah, my family can say the same about you. My family fought to keep America OUT of our coutry, but you people forced your way in by bombing our cities when thw war had nothing to do with you at all. You people made up ridiculous reason's to declare war only to invade other nations. Come on, it's time to accept that you were wrong, something you tell everyone else. Get used to it.
You need to realize something you sick pig, American soldiers were and are the one's fighting in someone else's country, not in or for their own. My family fought proudly in German uniform to keep you and your flag OUT OF OUR NATION AND OUR BUSINESS. How exactly do you justify thinking you're the only one who wore a military uniform in order to serve his country? You're not the only one who fought for their freedom and just principle.
Eventually, Hitler became a classic example of an authorative leadership style: inflexible, insecure and dismissive. Input from the generals was unwelcome and unwanted. Open ended questions were considered attempts to challenge his authority. Non compliance meant reproachment, dismissal or death. Easy to sympathize with a Hans Guderian or Manstein. I think we all have worked for a guy like this at some point in our careers. Overall flawed management style leading to crushing defeats.
This battle basically saved all of western Europe from going communist. Had the Soviets won this battle they could have pushed all of Army group south out of the Ukraine and took the Balkan countries before the USA and Great Britain landed at Normandy.
The revenge of the Waffen SS, and the courage of Hausser to ignore Hitlers order to defend Kharkov just like he ordered Paulus in Stalingrad. Hausser knew what would have happened to this elite forces had he obyed Hitlers order. A second Stalingrad. Hitler was out of his mind of anger and flew to the east demanded the retake of the city. For once he gave Manstein free hand and after a epic battle which cost the SS approx 80% of their men and material they captured Kharkov again.
zweijntje 4 days ago
@Urgundulum. I thought it was in the spring of 42, but indeed the facts you post are correct. Stupid of Adolf to have split his Armygroups in three and later let Guderian and von Bock loose time over the capture of the Ukraine. A huge military victory that was indeed, but he lost too much time and material to capture Moskou during Operatipn Typhoon. He could indeed have won if he made one single thrust for Moskou, but he didn,t want to listen to his generals whom he didn,t trust.
zweijntje 1 month ago
@zweijntjeHad HITLER listened to GUDERIAN Moscow would had been encircled and won by 1941 or in the worst scenario 1942, but Hitler moved Army group center to help in LENINGRAD and sent GUDERIAN to KIEV, HUGE BLUNDERS that only helped soviets create an enormous 3 line defense in MOSCOW plus reserves forces on its rearguard, so later in the BATTLE OF MOSCOW the germans suffered first defeat with 500 000 casualties.
HITLER was just a insane/maniac/evil and incompetent corporal, OKW was Hitler.
MrBobe9 1 month ago
@zweijntje Hitler didn't have any strategic objective in USSR, so he kept moving armies up and down for no reason except insanity, GUDERIAN had in mind MOSCOW he was right, because it was the HEART of USSR with all train terminals, there was chaos and looting in Moscow, it was about to fall, because the german advance didn't stall in any place like STALIN wanted in order to have time and get large mobilization that TIMOSHENKO talked about weeks before, so GUDERIAN was about to win the war, but.
MrBobe9 1 week ago
@MrBobe9 That is not exactly right, but indeed Hitler made a big mistake by splitting his Armies in three, He should have listened to Guderian, Von Leeb and von Bock whom almost begged him to make one single thrust towards Moskou. Urgundulum is fully right the German caught the Red Army with it,s pants down, plans of attack on Germany and the rest of Europe where ready, I only thought is was in 42 Stalin wanted to attack.
zweijntje 4 days ago
@zweijntje GUDERIAN invented the BLITZKRIEG he was admired by his men, HITLER was just jealous and also had ABSOLUTE POWER, when you give ABSOLUTE POWER TO A MORON( I mean HITLER made himself the SUPREME COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF HIS ARMIES) that what happens, incompetence and plenty of blunders of a CORPORAL leading GENERALS.
In less than 2 years Hitler's blunders caused 2 million casualties in the EASTERN FRONT/SOVIET UNION. Just STALINGRAD/VOLGA/DON area caused 1 500 000 million german casualties
MrBobe9 1 day ago
Hitler did not have a choice. If he would not have attacked the USSR, Stalin would have done so in 42, and with nothing standing in between him but a defeated German Army he would have rolled his tanks right to the coast of the Atlantic. Hitler let the BEF escape in Dunkirk in 1940 because he did,nt want war with the UK, Churchill however wanted war with HitlerGermany. Lucky for him Adolf gave him the opportunity.
zweijntje 1 month ago in playlist ss/kharkov
@zweijntje
actually you are wrong, mostly because the attack of the USSR to germany was planned to start in the first week of july 1941. the USSR even removed all the minefields and the border fences including the barbwire, about 70% of the Red army was stationed in 150KM from the german border, the Red army storehouses were full of europe maps and russian-german vocabulary. so in fact the german army couch the Red army with their pants down.
Urgundulum 1 month ago
@Urgundulum This is as correct as possible by my notice. The first serious military studies into this topic indeed made clear Stalin had the plans ready and his Red Army moved into strategic positions to attack Germany somewhere in 41 or 42. Only resently these studies are being taken seriously, it used to be the other way round. Hitler was the great agressor, discussion closed! Ofcourse this war between the 2 Great Dictators still is the most horrible ever fought in the history of warfare.
zweijntje 4 days ago
After Kharkov he should have chosen the "backhand method".
otester 2 months ago
Your a noob
doggiestyle16507 3 months ago
best army ever!
saientist 3 months ago
Только на тертий раз освободили Харьков от нациков
JeTrey777 4 months ago
imagine if germany never would have went east and invaded russia,russia had plans to sweep threw europe after they had dtook poland,they would have aquired the atomic bomb plus all other german scientific break throughs. The use would have been tied up in japan and in the pacific in fact they prob would have never beat them if it was not for the atmoic bomb as the us troops were deserting and running from battle when the japs stood there ground and battled to the death. History is written by usa
laurence915 4 months ago
@laurence915 You're a silly, illiterate, American-fed loser. Your arguments are completely stupid. Your grammar and syntax make no sense whatsoever. Learn to express yourself properly, and only then start posting up comments about such topics. "written by USA*, it is in my ass! LOL
glebdyn 3 months ago
It was only from the superior skills and training of WAFFEN SS( also they got their best weapons available), that the war didn't finish in 1943 at KURSK, even then the soviets had a ratio of 3 to 5 in soldiers and tanks over germans and they suffered catastrophic losses (despite all the soviet propaganda we heard since ).
It was in 1944 when the soviets because of their huge numbers of tanks and their 400 infantry divisions( also huge losses soviets didn't care) got to push back the germans.
MrBobe9 6 months ago
@MrBobe9 And it was after the battle at Kursk the Western Allies where sure Germany was loosing the war. Realising Josef would not stop until he reached the coast of the Atlantic they started planning Operation Overlord. And this operation only was a succes because Adolf was sleeping and no-one dared waking him, so the panzerdivisons in Normandy got into action too late.
zweijntje 1 month ago
This footage is REAL.Get some allied footage and I might care as much.
SidNightWalker 6 months ago
was this the battle with the Turning point of the Great frost?
NiggadickJaxHD 6 months ago
@NiggadickJaxHD No It wasn,t That was Operation Typhoon. The battle for Moskou in the winter of 41. The first russian winter the German Army had no protective clothing because Adolf wanted the war to be victorious before Christmass 41 and have a Grand Victory Parade on the Red Square. That was done in 45 but not by the German Army.
zweijntje 1 month ago
@LordHarris1983 The awkward moment when the Russian Army invades your land, rapes your women and takes all your food and anything else valuable you might own
luisgarcia7 6 months ago
@luisgarcia7 trust me the germans did it ten times worse than the russians... the russians could only goes as fdar as berlin .
popper504 4 months ago
The Waffen SS proved they could fight during this battle.
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ravensting 7 months ago
The awkward moment when you have to use flak as artillery
luisgarcia7 8 months ago
@luisgarcia7 lmao but the shit worked in a way. anyhow thegermans were great atthrowing ad hoc formations together
popper504 5 months ago
A guy called Fluffy argues with a Gy called elamite-...
jasincl 8 months ago
Look at those little Panzer II tanks still rolling in 1943
jackzero99 10 months ago
hitler was a politician, he had no buisness in warfare, he should of trusted his generals more.
slim77k 1 year ago 10
@slim77k Yeah.And you should correct your ignorance of the English language before committing your "thoughts" to written words."Buisness" and "should of".
strangemenssana 5 months ago
@slim77k really the same generals that said there would be no landing at normandy and defied hitlers order to reinforce that sector for just one example
andersdesertfoxV 3 months ago
@slim77k he was a fuckin dumbass
Sgreenenov13 3 months ago
@slim77k HITLER WHAS A NOOB
MrAapenkind 3 months ago
@slim77k "he should of trusted his generals more".Is that English?
strangemenssana 2 months ago
@slim77k thank god he didn't !
PeterMock 3 weeks ago
You are precisely correct. Had Hitler listened to perhaps the greatest collection of military minds ever assembled, the Wermacht would have taken Moscow BEFORE the dreaded winter of 1941 and would have finished off the Soviet Union in 1942. The disaster at Stalingrad would have been averted had Hitler heeded the advice of his Field Marshals. The outcome of WW2 would have been totally different had Hitler allowed his generals to wage the war. Thank God that he didnt!
bburrage20 2 weeks ago
John Mosier in his newest book "Deathride" is claiming that the year 1943 was the most bloodiest for Soviet Union. Mosier estimates that Soviet might have lost 7.5 million soldiers during that year and without allies landing in Italy and enourmously growing lend lease help from west to Soviet, Soviet Union might have collapsed that year.
Mosier found the loss rate for russians as terrible bad, not much better than those years 1941-42.
tranmere789 1 year ago
@tranmere789 Untrue. Actually, the Reds were growing stronger due to factories in Urals and American aid. In the first year, Reds lost 4M soldiers; in the rest of the war, only 1 million captured. You surrender when you're outta ammo, and facing certain death, without choice. After 1942, German defeat was certain.
neverindoubt 9 months ago
Die sowjetischen Strassen waren immer feindlich zur deutschen Armee.
notaire2 1 year ago
this was the last major German success on the Eastern Front no thanks to the Fuhrer By the way anyone know why the Waffen SS and the USMC are the only ones to use camoflouge fatigues?
elamite66 1 year ago
@elamite66 Because the Waffen SS are the role model for the USMC
zweijntje 1 month ago
Germs/Germans were only good at surprising ppl. Once the real fight starts they always run. If you are beat by Russian farmers and women you are not a good soldier.
vincevince801 1 year ago
@vincevince801 u are a freaken ugly bastard
HugoRauss 1 year ago
@HugoRauss Not I'm no fan of the NAZIs myself but to say they couldn't fight is absurd The Russians lost a lot more men than the Germans as to who was more cruel and brutal I don't know but I do know this when it came to raping helpless women the Russians win that one hands down And don't get down on his level calling each other names I'm from NY by the way and my Grandfather with German ancestors fought with the US Army in France and my Dad fought on Iwo Jima Nazism was a curse but fight? yes
elamite66 9 months ago
@elamite66 In your opinion what do you think happened to the surrendering 100000 man 6th army and while only 6k came back and I know disease and starvation happend why do you think the returning to germany numbers were so low
stevemtc1 8 months ago
@stevemtc1 I think that they died of exposure starvation disease and general ill treatment and over work under harsh conditions and some may have been outright murdered and all this over a period of 12 years I imagine the largest numbers may have died being marched away on the freezing steppe and possibly those who couldn't make it were shot
elamite66 8 months ago
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fluffy1931 8 months ago
@fluffy1931 you're a hard kid to get hold of fluffy boy was this the comment where you called me a fuckface etc. because my Father couldn't possilby have been in France and Iwo Jima? If you had read the above comment you can see it says Grandfather in France and Father in the invasion of Iwo Jima That's 1917 and 1945 moron and what's all that bullshit at the bottom the latest computer speak?If you were a man you'd apologize instead of hiding and blocking your inbox but you're a kid right fluffy?
elamite66 8 months ago
@elamite66 ..grow a pair. fuckface. it's internet. I removed the post within minutes. It revisionist fantasy comparing russian atrocities with nazi germany artocities and ranking russian atrocities (rape) within the same breath as worst (sources?). Don't mention the nazi occupation & and all the fun & games germany commited for over 4yrs on europe? Genocide, Holocuast , mass murder etc.,
There was no nazism on Iwo Jima. pls gtfoh
fluffy1931 8 months ago
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elamite66 8 months ago
@fluffy1931 you grow a pair fluffy boy If you had a pair you would have apologized like a man remove the post? it's still in my e-mail and whats' all this shit about Nazis and Russians got to do with what you said? But you're just a kid so that's why you're changing the subject to "no nazism on Iwo Jima" like that's got something to do with anything Yeah it's internet but it doesn't have to be like this except for little cunts like you
elamite66 8 months ago
@elamite66 ... again assclown . post was removed. ..,swallow a penis. and get over it nazi fagtard.
fluffy1931 8 months ago
@vincevince801
right creep, I'll keep that brilliant insight in mind and put it in my book
that's a good one,,,, ha ha ha ah ah :))
konigtigertank 1 year ago
Even back then, the propaganda ministry were combining war footage with lively orchestra music....it's rather creative and innovative...How would any German who consume this think that the war was lost in the east?
dvsxavier 1 year ago
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When situation in spring 43 looked really bad, Hitler flew away from high command in his FW200 to Germany, so Manstein could have act free ,handle that crap and turn defeat into Charkow victory.
ww2footage 1 year ago
When situation in spring 43 looked really bad, Hitler flew away from high command in his FW200 to Germany, so Mainstern could have act free ,handle that crap and turn defeat into Charkow victory.
ww2footage 1 year ago
fuck hitler
kill3400 1 year ago
If I was born say in 1920 I would have been very quick to join the SS Panzer Divisions.
IceRich05 1 year ago
@IceRich05 Most young people growing up in Germany wanted to sign up for military service. Young German men considered it a proud thing to do.
manz900 1 year ago
@manz900 Germans were idiots then.
trzcinarowice 1 year ago
@trzcinarowice
The "Germans were idiots then": wow what an amazing piece deduction and insight!
You're the idiot; why don't silly asses like yourself and @illtakepoint get together and write a book; you both sound like you have PhD's in German history and WW2.
konigtigertank 1 year ago
@konigtigertank The only IDIOT is you, an uglu freaken idiot
HugoRauss 1 year ago
@HugoRauss
freakin ugly idiot bastard you are
AtBunkergateSeven 10 months ago
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@konigtigertank The only IDIOT is you, an ugly freaken idiot and bastard
HugoRauss 1 year ago
trzcinarowice The only IDIOT is you, an ugly freaken idiot and bastard
HugoRauss 1 year ago
@IceRich05 Yeah right, and you would be dead very quick if you where lucky. Ore maybe you would have fallen into the hands of the Red Army. and be scraping lead wth your fngernails out of the mnes at the Kolima river in Siberia. Hero!!!
zweijntje 1 month ago
the taking of these cities was not necessary, only take moscow. other wise keep moving and flanking no pitched battles unless for moscow.
Rico8458 1 year ago
@Rico8458 but the cities produced tanks etc
fatuglypug 1 year ago
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ýes. the ashkenazy jews is a kind of mafia hiding everywhere behind false names, false companies etc. who control the military by means of bribes, drugs, homo-sexuality. who plan murders on governments, royal families, and honest good people. in other words, a mafia who wants to pervert the world.
lithopoonwit 1 month ago
tHeWasTeDYouTh 1 year ago
Nice.....................
desertfoxone 1 year ago
At 30 seconds that guy is handing the motorcycle courier an order for a 12 inch pepperoni pizza from domino`s. You can clearly see at 33 seconds he makes sure to ask for extra pepperoni.
horrorsquid 1 year ago
@horrorsquid Sieg, sieg, sieg, Dominos!
shatchett0 1 year ago
@horrorsquid If he doesn't get his order in 30 min., the pizza is free!
themanroom126 1 year ago
Stupied germans escaped to the west like crazy!
kosiak10851 1 year ago
You can speak ,and breen your "smart" opinions,but never put us on
the nees.
All envadors in Russia finished the same way-killed,tacking as the POW and killed
for crimes against russian civilians.Filthy dogs got a bloody and.
aluston91 1 year ago 2
Westmoreland was no genius. He continued to fight a limited conventional war against a guerilla enemy.
He also failed to build up the South Vietnamese military until it was too late.
swpaul04 1 year ago
@swpaul04 General Westmoreland was a lacky, that did what he was told to do by his masters. The Vietnam Conflict was not fought to be won, it was fought to be prolonged.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
Paul Hauser and Von Manstien military geniuses along with definitely Zhukov.
BB4liffe 1 year ago
If Manstein would have leaded Germany from 1939 onwards, the world would be pretty screwed up today. He's no politicians, I think, but he's rational and a genius when it comes to warfare, therefore, if he interferes with High Command's decions, he wouldn't be making it worse for the war effort. Unlike how Hitler did.
onedOLlarDuDE 1 year ago
Have you read his biography? According to him he never ,ever, mad a mistake, it wall all the high command. I find that suspect.
swpaul04 1 year ago
hitler went crazy!, and got desperate like the soviet got when they where pounded!, but hitler did not have 1000 miles of land as defensive barrier. so germany lost. blame hitler. or his medical team for not developing peniciline what ever its called, but the generals & men where competent, oh yeah blame fossil fuel too!▐▐▐
Czaendermajer 1 year ago
Manstien should have been in the US army in vietnam, He would have pounded every inc including Saigon
bearing44 2 years ago
Ummm, Saigon was the capital of the RVN, they were on our side dickhead. Besides, VN was 4GW not 3GW, Manstein wouldn't have any better ideas than Westmoreland or Abrams.
toddskillingtime 1 year ago
well said. Westmoreland was a genious of a general. he did the best with the limitaions he had to deal with. I often wonder what direction the war would had taken if he was allowed to strike north and take Hanoi.
willypete2171 1 year ago
Westmoreland would have had no chance, there would have been just a larger death toll in the Vietnam War, the Viet were supported with Chinese soldiers and Chinese manufactured weapons, they had vast amounts of each. Russia at the time Guaranteed Chinas borders from US attack, so the US could not go to the source of manufacturing. That would have been horrendous for the US at the time, especially with the size of the Soviet military, study the size, it was a juggernaut military machine.
brendonnz1964 1 year ago
if the US had gone North, it would happen the same thing it did in North Korea, the chinese would pour in. They were, and still are very adamant about unwanted neighbours near their borders.
jmbrosendo 1 year ago
@brendonnz1964 Prior to OSS installing Diem, the Vietnamese hated the PRC as they had been mortal enemies for eons, and they were not Communist at all. The Vietnam Conflict was not fought to hinder the PRC, or even the Soviets for that matter. America sided with hommocidal French colonialists, to SCREW the Vietnamese, and to provoke a slaughter that could be sustained.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
@willypete2171 General Westmoreland was an unimaginative butcher, who was a yes man and bootlicking lackey to his masters. He did as he was told, and was rewarded accordingly.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
@centurion180ad I'll have to flatly disagree with you. Westmoreland was a highly intelligent and masterful General. He never lost a battle, fought with his hands tied behind his back - was not allowed to go north, and brilliantly handled a logistical nightmare due to Vietnam being on the other side of the world. He did what he was told, because the American public had enough.
willypete2171 1 year ago
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@centurion180ad I'll have to flatly disagree with you. Westmoreland was a highly intelligent and masterful General. He never lost a battle, fought with his hands tied behind his back - was not allowed to go north, and brilliantly handled a logistical nightmare due to Vietnam being on the other side of the world. He did what he was told, because the American public had enough.
willypete2171 1 year ago
Manstein with his SS Panzer Corps including Liebstandarte Division pounded the overextended Russians.
Kharkov and Belgorod fell despite huge numerical Russian advantage. Mansein's advance was stopped only by the 1943 spring thaw.
rocketman581 2 years ago
which then set the stage for Kursk anf then another major set back for the Germans. It must have been so frustrating for Masntein to see his forces get whithered away and be outnumbered...
willypete2171 1 year ago 2
True. All the genius of the German army was squandered because of Hitler. Oh well.
vomit49894 1 year ago
von Manstein encouraged the offensive, Hitler wanted to call it off, as did everyone else on 20 July, yet Manstein tried to convince him success was near and they should continue. Read David Glantz' Battle of Kursk.
DannyBoy777777 1 year ago
All of the german armored and mobile divisions were depleted, at that point. Almost all of the new heavier tanks which they relied on to punch through were disabled, damaged or destroyed. Infantry when engaged, and got separate from tanks suffered horrendous casualties, with whole battallions lost in day. Germans bet on a breakthrough like the other times, but at this time the Red Army was not the same as in 1941. They knew how to separate infantry from armor and deal with each piecemeal.
jmbrosendo 1 year ago
@jmbrosendo Kharkov was a bridge too far for the Soviets, in the winter of 1943. The NKVD dug-in like an Alabama tick in the factory district which bled the SS getting them out of there, but the field battles on the flanks of the city were foregone.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
@willypete2171 Manstein was a Prussian aristocrat, a Holy Roman Empire Blue Blood elitist. He may have lamented attrition in his own power as his units were blown away, but he was not a sympathetic character in any way. General Gehlen of the Abwehr knew that the Soviets were not a spent force. GEN Manstein was one of the Nazis that listened to him.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
Why do we spell it now as Kharkov when the map in the video reads Charkov?
SuperWestworld 2 years ago
fucking japan
djsimo149 2 years ago
Hitler forced Manstein to throw away his strategic reserve in the earlier Kurks-Oboian offensive ad then stripped away vital armored units to counter the Allied landings in Sicily, just before the Soviets counterattacked in force.
IanHunedoara8 2 years ago 2
I don't know why you consider it "throwing away"... this offensive stopped the Red Army from crossing the Dnieper in Spring '43.
The Red Army later suffered massive casualties crossing a much more prepared Dnieper line in the late Fall of '43 and they wouldn't completely cross until Spring '44
osalcido85 2 years ago
Mansteins success in mauling the Soviets around Kharkov earlier in 1943 prompted Hitler to commit vital forces to operation Citadel later in July - giving Zhukov plenty of time to dig in and fight a war of attrition. It was the Germans who couldn't afford the casualties and they lost the ability to defend a contiguous front after July 1943
IanHunedoara8 2 years ago
Propaganda back then was as powerful as Sham-Wow commercials.
hugostv 2 years ago
This attack on the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv was the last German offensive in the east.
Ukraine's population fell by 14 million during WW2
ANDPRY 2 years ago
Good thing Hitler was a military idiot, otherwise we would all be sprekken de deutsche. When his generals acted on their own they did crap like this here.
MrDhcracker 2 years ago
:) in your dreams
justiakas 2 years ago
1. No war with Russia
2. Jets used as figthers and mass produced early
3. North Africa recieves reinforcements
4. Germany does not declare war on the USA forcing the USA to concentrate on JAPAN if they attack germany at all, but I would say by then Britian would have been defeated. No Hitler running the war would have meant succesfully determining radar as the reason for Britians success in the air, then the Luftwaffe would have made simple countermeasures.
MrDhcracker 2 years ago
1. No war with Russia -> no war at all -> economical collapse of German economy
2. Why not nuclear bomb or lasers? A few years here or there -- what's the difference? :)
4. Where from? All available Hitler's troops were already fighting in Russia
5. You would say... :) I would say not.
justiakas 2 years ago
@MrDhcracker If Germany did not declare war on the USA then the NAZI American & English BANKERS that //created// & //funded// Hitler could have overtly won world war two, so we'd all be UnterMensch slaves to fascist mass murdering Debt Syndicate bankers, but we'd be English speaking rather than German. Come to think of it, that is exactly where we are headed NOW.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
I don't care much for Nazi propaganda style in this clip. It's a good example of "embedded reporting", which is one sided, unimaginative, and brutal on the message. It's fun to see that it still evokes some feelings in the neo-nazies posting their comments here, the super-race with small tiny brains.
mathneuro 2 years ago
And what would you have them broadcast?
Wholesale images of German wounded? A rout by the Russians? Supply lines being broken by Guerillas?
There really is no place for 'balanced reporting' in propaganda. The entire *point* of it is that it's not balanced.
To be sure, it's pretty heavy on the gunfire, but the Germans had no shortage of other types of propaganda (from the glorious, shining soldier of the SS, to suggestions on postcards set to their enemies that jews were screwing their wives)
Tonjevic 2 years ago
Brilliant counter against the Russians. The Waffen-SS are some of the best soldiers in history - well motivated and very determined against overwhelming Red Army numerical advantage. But history is written by the winners and now they are nothing but war criminals. How sad.
Pyrrhus72 2 years ago
@Pyrrhus72 A reinforced NKVD Rifle Battalion was hold-up in the factory district of Kharkov, and cost the Waffen-SS quite a bit of blood & tears to take out. Where was that assaut, in this video?
centurion180ad 1 year ago
2:41 what gun is that? or most probably a vehicle?
It seems something on half-track..any suggestion?
nikolas93ts 2 years ago
Could it be the "hummel"?
CasparStef 2 years ago
no, the hummel has a much larger gun...
illtakepoint 2 years ago
my guess is it's a variant of the Schutzenpanzerwagen SdKfz 251, which was the workhorse of half-tracks for the germans.
illtakepoint 2 years ago
I though same....still that gun confuse me...maybe a 37mm or 28mm version....
nikolas93ts 2 years ago
Pretty intense. My great grandpa was in Waffen SS and died on the Eastern front from a grenade towards the end of the war. He could've even been in this battle.
karlkarlkarl1234 2 years ago 5
The Red Army won the war 75 out of ever 100 dead germans were killed by the red army
Breass24 2 years ago
Yes definitely....Von Paulus should have stood up and either broke out or accepted the Russians first offer of surrender...Not continue to listen to the Austrian and his lunacy....Too many good German soldiers died there that didn't need to...Von Manstein was no coward, he just could have stood taller.
byza101 2 years ago 2
why didnt i get an invite to this party?
EssexRef1976 2 years ago
Where did he get the footage?
WaffenSS212 2 years ago
Von Manstein was a good Commander sure....But he didn't have the balls to challenge Hitler when Hitler let the 6th Army perish in Stalingrad.....Hitler was such a wanker.
byza101 2 years ago 2
Paul Hauser was a different kind of general, who dared to displease "The Führer". That's why his men called him "Papa Hauser".
CanisLupusSolitarius 2 years ago
Von Manstein led the failed relief effort to save the 6th Army. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Hitler's order for the 6th Army to hold their position was actually a good call. They would have been mauled, if not annihilated, breaking out of the Soviet cordon. After that, where could they go? They would have been finished off on the Steppe or trying to retreat across the Don.
Von Paulus was a coward for surrendering. Almost all of his men died in captivity anyway.
einsatzdeath 2 years ago
What you say is not true. The 6th Army could have withdrawn and not been cut off. Von Paulus was no coward. He obeyed the order not to surrender until the 6th Army was no longer an effective fighting force due to frostbite, lack of ammunition, and starvation.
Said Hitler "The 6th Army has the power to storm the heavans." At one point and time this was practically true, but it could only go so far - especially after being stripped of its armor.
Robert111 2 years ago 2
No one ever suggested the 6th Army withdraw until they were already completely cut off, so what are you talking about? What I said was completely true. Von Paulus was an absolute coward. He was an officer of the worst sort, notice how clean and well fed him and his staff were when captured? Then he lied at Nuremburg and said that his men were alive and being treated well, when he knew that almost all of them were already dead. He shouldn't have surrendered, but he was a selfish coward.
einsatzdeath 2 years ago
@Robert111 But Hitler called him a coward and said that a fieldmarshal dosent get captures
stupidmonkey86 1 year ago
by withdrawing in a timely manner, the 6th Army could have been re-connected with their much needed supply train before they were encircled......just look later in the war in Normandy 1944, the German 7th Army withdrew through the Falaise Gap to live and fight another day, avoiding certain annihalation at the hands of the Allies.
illtakepoint 2 years ago 9
Again, withdrawing was never on the table until they were encircled. Have you any idea of the nature of the encirclement? It took just over a day for the Soviets to breach both flanks and unite at Kalach. You honestly think that would have been enough time to withdrawal before the kettle was sealed?!?!
Falaise was a completely different story. That was a slowly advancing front that gradually moved toward encirclement. 17th SS was able to blunt the southern pincer, allowing the withdrawal.
einsatzdeath 2 years ago
Montgomery failed to "seal the kettle" at Argentan as Patton had wanted, thus allowing the 7th Army to escape.
illtakepoint 2 years ago
You see how different of a case it is then.
einsatzdeath 2 years ago
yeah, they were trapped for good.....ALWAYS PROTECT YOUR FLANK HITLER !!!
illtakepoint 2 years ago 2
7th Army escaped only after leaving a long line of wrecked tanks and vehicles at Falaise after facing virtually unopposed aerial assault from RAF Hawker Typhoon and Yank P-51 fighters
IanHunedoara8 1 year ago
@illtakepoint As I've understood the 6th Army could have escaped even after being encircled. Relieving forces got to within 48 kilometers from 6th Army's southern positions in Stalingrad, but von Paulus refused to break out. Largely based on Hitlers expressed orders not to...
Found some info on english Wikipedia: Operation_Winter_Storm#Collapse:_19.E2.80.9323_December
JeVeoy 1 year ago
@illtakepoint to put it short, if idiot Hitler had left fighting to his generals, we'd be speaking germen now.
hardcoremedic 1 year ago
@illtakepoint , your point about the Falaise Gap is true, but the Gap itself was the result of a screw up on the part of the Allied command. Had there not been a misunderstanding about Army boundries the Gap wouldn't have been there for them to retreat to. And Paulus couldn't retreat anywhere without Hitler's OK.
daddycrockett23 1 year ago
@illtakepoint 6th army were pussies
neverindoubt 1 year ago
@neverindoubt
keep your ignorant and assinine comments among those who don't know any better
konigtigertank 1 year ago
Happily, almost all of the SS who cravenly surrendered were sent to siberia, and almost none of them returned.
neverindoubt 1 year ago
@neverindoubt cravenly? not as craven as soldiers of the Red Army if you can measure it by the numbers who surrendered as you evidently do Both German soldeirs and Red Army soldiers knew what surrender meant how come so many more Red army soldiers surrendered? I'm not prepared to judge any man put in that situation but you evidently feel qualified What do you base this qualification on?
elamite66 9 months ago
@elamite66 ss were slime, and the waffen ss were the excrudesence of slime. Great at bopping helpless victims, not so good at fighting Red Army or US Army heros.
neverindoubt 9 months ago
@neverindoubt I've thought more about how I worded the comment above and I didn't mean to imply the Red Army soldier was craven I shouldn't have put it that way The NAZIs were a curse especially considersing what they did in the USSR Poland and to the Jews and Gypsys but I don't think it's true that they couldn't fight The did surprisingly well holding off half the world as long as they did and I don't think the average German soldier was a coward or the kind of psycho case Hitler & Co. were
elamite66 8 months ago
@illtakepoint I think you missed something. The 7th army was actually annihilated in the Falaise pocket.
ebola92 9 months ago
The consensus of 6th Army men themselves was that Hitler had betrayed them, not Von Paulus.For VP to broadcast anti-Hitler diatribes over radio Moscow 1943-44 was a no brainer. 6th army was overextended and vulnerable, also flanked by poorly equipped Axis forces from Italy Hungary and yes- Romania
IanHunedoara8 1 year ago
@einsatzdeath An open field battle would have greatly helped 6th Army, as the Soviets would have been sandwitched between that and Mansteins limited relief effort. In the open, the Soviets were no match for the Wehrmacht at this time.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
@centurion180ad Where do you think the pincers that surrounded Stalingrad broke thru? Open field ... The germans were vastly outnumbered. It was no longer a question of tactics or strategy.. it would have taken a miracle to overcome the numbers
osalcido85 1 year ago
@osalcido85 The Wehrmacht was critically mistaken in concentrating ALL of their armored forces into the city fighting. The Soviets smashed the flanks into an encirclement because NO Wehrmacht armored forces were capable of leaving the city fight to repel them. Reinhard Gehlen realized that Soviet reserves were reaching the front in force, but by that time Hitler was countermanding everyone and choosing not to believe the facts as they became known to him; exactly how our economy is run today.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
@centurion180ad Overall the Soviet forces that surrounded Stalingrad outnumbered the Germans in and around the city, if only marginally. Still, the Soviets were able to launch a simultaneous offensive in front of Moscow with even greater numbers than those used at Stalingrad. Even though that failed to break through, that the Soviets could launch two enormous offensives on two widely separated areas of the front proves that the Germans were facing ultimate defeat.
osalcido85 1 year ago
Yeah, manstein was a good commander, not like Sepp Dietrich of the SS that got his troops needlessly killed to satisfy Hitler's ravings and lunacy.
christof139 2 years ago
This battle was a great victory of Mannstein and his soldiers.
Blue1942DV 2 years ago
Bellicose Bombastico, I know of the US Census B. reports: whoopty-do. You have something against 'white people' or do you think you know evrything or both? The 'white' population in the USA is growing but it is the opposite in Europe, however any small declines are just that, small. Illegal immigrants are being deported now in both the USA and Europe and in many other nations in the world.
christof139 2 years ago
christof139
What are you smoking?
Get off the fucking pipe!
Or maybe your smoking space coke?
The white population is dying in the USA get with the program mother fucker!
Bellicose27 2 years ago
christoff139
The white population will be the minority by 2052! Get the black cock out of your asshole ok!
Bellicose27 2 years ago
Bellicose27, Why don't you gow-up and quit being an idiot. All you do is curse like an idiot, therefore you must indeed be an idiot, a very ignorant idiot. You are from Canada according to your youtube homesite. Are you a racist Canadian?? Seems as if you are.
christof139 2 years ago
christof139:
Are you a racist American?
Your probably a member of the kkk!
Go eat a hamburger you fat American!
Is tonight your crossing burning night?
Bellicose27 2 years ago
Bellicose27, Sorry, I am not overweight, don't drink booze or use drugs, and am not a homosexual like your silly self. I live in Detroit and have both white and black and etc. neighbors and get along fine. I also served with many excellent black and etc. soldiers. Your use of ehtnic slurs exposes your own biggotry and immaturity. You are a FUNNY PUNK.
christof139 2 years ago
christof139, Ok you live in a trailer park in Detroit and you dropped out of high school. You are a pedophile and probably did some time in the state prison.
Bellicose27 2 years ago
In the end Europe will be Muslim and THE USA will return to the Mexicans (Native American AZALTAN).
White people do not reproduce (Europeans). The Jewish population is vibrant and the Muslim population is growing very fast.
Bellicose27 2 years ago
Bellicose, You are bombastic, and quite wrong. Problem of illegal immigration will probably never be completely solved, but some will be eventually granted citizenships, and many will and are being deported, and the criminals will either be jailed or killed while breaking laws. Many legal immigrants and native born Hispanics and Muslims don't want the illegals and criminals among the illegals and are supporting efforts against these illegals.
christof139 2 years ago
christof139, You are very naive and quite wrong. US Census reported by 2055 the white population will be the minority in USA. Big corporations love high immigration which translates into lower wages and cheap labour. The President Mexico indicated it is only a matter of time before California, Texas, Arizona return to Mexico!
Bellicose27 2 years ago
SSWolf80, All you can do is call people names, therefore I will descend to your level and retaliate: You are a stupid uneducated punk that has never served any nation yet alone our own. The Nazi regime was an evil regime based on delusions, illusions, etc. etc. etc. You are a worthless schmuck, a putz. Kanst du die Deutsche Sprache sprechen du schwein kopf.
christof139 2 years ago
It doesn't matter how "terrible" Hitler is thought to be. What's a million times worse is that obama is calling the shots. God help us all in this miserable bullshit, rotten leadership. That muslim loving jackass doesn't even have proper citizenship, it's being fought in the courts ever since he slid into office.
SSWolf80 2 years ago
what's wrong with loving muslims?
tikicop 2 years ago
obama was born in hawaii and the governor of hawaii has already shown proof in october and just the other day. you sound like one of those hysterical people that thinks obama is gonna take away all your guns.
FlamingCannibal 2 years ago
Yeah "SSWolf80", you must be the ultimate USA super patriot. I'm a USA veteran and people like you are exactly what I served to stand against.
christof139 2 years ago
Yeah, my family can say the same about you. My family fought to keep America OUT of our coutry, but you people forced your way in by bombing our cities when thw war had nothing to do with you at all. You people made up ridiculous reason's to declare war only to invade other nations. Come on, it's time to accept that you were wrong, something you tell everyone else. Get used to it.
SSWolf80 2 years ago
You need to realize something you sick pig, American soldiers were and are the one's fighting in someone else's country, not in or for their own. My family fought proudly in German uniform to keep you and your flag OUT OF OUR NATION AND OUR BUSINESS. How exactly do you justify thinking you're the only one who wore a military uniform in order to serve his country? You're not the only one who fought for their freedom and just principle.
SSWolf80 2 years ago
Eventually, Hitler became a classic example of an authorative leadership style: inflexible, insecure and dismissive. Input from the generals was unwelcome and unwanted. Open ended questions were considered attempts to challenge his authority. Non compliance meant reproachment, dismissal or death. Easy to sympathize with a Hans Guderian or Manstein. I think we all have worked for a guy like this at some point in our careers. Overall flawed management style leading to crushing defeats.
SOLISDEUS 2 years ago
it seems like the germans usually do better when they ignore hitler's orders ^^
Sojourner7ruth 2 years ago 2
The Leibstandarte considered it's main task, as
lying Kharkov at the Furher's feet
ditkaq 2 years ago
This battle basically saved all of western Europe from going communist. Had the Soviets won this battle they could have pushed all of Army group south out of the Ukraine and took the Balkan countries before the USA and Great Britain landed at Normandy.
RenegadeCossack 2 years ago