Advanced Aikido: Principles of Motion : Randori Kokyunage: Advanced Aikido Techniques

[NOTENGAMIEDO]

also, Tokyo Riot Police has developed their own system which is more agressive...my Sensei was trained by them and I am practicing too...

PEACE!

[Spartacus217]

Imagine training your whole life for a fight that never comes. What a waste. A true martial art develops a person's mind, body, and spirit. A good martial art effects a person's entire life. Nothing's wasted.

[Spartacus217]

I hate assholes that use the phrase "my man". It's like calling someone "chief" or "ace". Acually "my man" has a shittier quality to it.

[Static7181]

Aikido is acutally more legs than arms. Since your whole body is connected, your arms act more like a guide and your power really comes from your legs and your lower abs. This way, you can stay totally relaxed through the techniques and it is easier to feel uke's energy (i.e., where they are strong and where they are weak).

[Deke101]

Judging from your comment, the only clown here is you, Bubba.

[gmme00]

Easily done on a weak attacker yes, very strong attacker, no, but there are hunreds of moves that I can easily excecute on the average attacker who mainly will head hunt and wrestle when they are in close. Aikido is very effective. If you are highly skilled in Aikido meaning you can also strike viciously with all parts of your body, you will have the edge especially over someone who has not trained in any art.

[algaddafi]

Well..I don't agree with the people above. I myselfe trained a lot of styles: kyokushin Karate, Kickboxing, Boxin, Krav Maga. But this is just a different system and as long as you are koherent with the system you should be able to defend your own life in real life situations. Actually I think this kind of aikido ist realistic. Maybe think of it as a kind of inspiration what sort of defense techs are available out there.

Greetings from Germany

[solpapisolmook]

When these morons train this bullshit, do they honestly believe this is what fighting looks like? How fucking stupid do you have to be to train this crap for self-defense?

God help you in a real life-or-death situation if you train in this nonsense and find yourself having to fight for your life. This shit will absolutely get you killed.

[Sparrowhawk1138]

Not everyone practices aikido for self defense, moron.

[solpapisolmook]

Aikido was created for self-defense, cocksucker.

[Deke101]

Gee, I have used it in 'real' life many times. Not only am I still alive, I didn't even get hurt OR have to hurt anyone.

Find a dojo and try this 'bullshit' out for yourself.

[solpapisolmook]

No thanks. I'll listen to the guys at my BJJ gym who wasted years of their lives taking this crap, who warn me against its uselessness.

One guy told me he decided, after 6 years, to stop Aikido after a Judoka came in and wiped the floor with him.

He didn't understand why his magical Aikido training couldn't help him!!

[Deke101]

BJJ... Well, since your comments disrespect the very beginnings of your own chosen art, it kind of makes you an oaf.

Look up the beginnings of BJJ and Judo. Look at the history of Judo and it's founder Jigoro Kano. Ask yourself why Kano sent his top students to train with Morihei Ueshiba, the founder of Aikido. I would never say disrespectful things about another martial art. To each his own. You could stand to learn a thing or two from true Budo.

[solpapisolmook]

1. Can you provide a source for this claim?

2. Assuming it's true, it still stands that my buddy who trained Aikido for 6 years got his ass beaten around in two seconds by a Judoka. He's not a small guy either.

3. He also told me something interesting; when I asked him if Aikido is practical, he flat out said no, but did tell me that the original 8 students of Usheiba (I think Gozo Shioda was one of them) were able to use it in real life, and used to pick bar fights with it. Only them.

[Deke101]

So, you wish to have an adult conversation instead of playing 'Mine is Better Than Yours.'

OK. Look up Jigoro Kano, Morihei Ueshiba. You will see their connection in the early developement of these arts as well as their mutual respect for each other, which is what true Budo is about.

As far as one getting his 'ass beaten,' we are all at different levels in training. If an Aikidoka tries to stick to static technique, he will most certainly be beaten.

[Static7181]

We train cops and prison guards in Aikido. It isn't the art, its the man training in an art that makes a difference. I'm sure there are many BJJ guys who don't train as hard as they should who would get creamed against a well trained Aikidoka or anyone else. I would recommend attending a class. The priciples are virtually identical to Judo, Jujutsu, and Ninjutsu...they all come from the same place. BTW, if you're only concerned with beating up people, you are missing alot in your training.

[solpapisolmook]

I don't believe there are guys in my BJJ gym who could be "creamed" against a well-trained Aikidoka. Maybe a 6th Dan or something, but not your average guy. I'd believe a well trained Muay Thai fighter, or catch wrestler, or Krav Maga, Sambo, or Systema guy could fuck a not-so-great BJJ guy up, but not an Aikidoka.

Your art was created for the sword-wielders.

There's a reason SO MANY people claim, of all the arts, that Aikido is the most useless today.

Can you guess what that is????

[Static7181]

This is just a silly and worthless conversation not based in any kind of reality. It doesn't suprise me that BJJ and UFC people would say that. By saying these things you are inhibiting your own growth as a martial artist.

[Static7181]

Hey, I just wanted to say one last thing because the reality is that niether your or my opinions will be changed by this conversation -- when you look at the techniques of the various arts, they are all based on the same principles, (e.g., when I look at Karate, I see Aikido in their technique). Maybe if you foster this ability to see through to the underlying commonalities, you will begin to chill out a little, because I get the feeling you could have a heart-attack at any second.

[H4I2I2EE]

"There's a reason SO MANY people claim, of all the arts, that Aikido is the most useless today."

There is a reason why most of those people who seem to be saying that aren't well trained and/or never trained at all(they only see it in videos).

I think what happens is people get impatient and don't really get it right away so they give up and say "it's useless" in order to make themselves feel better about failing at something.

[solpapisolmook]

And I think you're wrong. I told you, one of the guys at my gym did Aikido for a full 6 years (IN JAPAN). He's one of the best BJJ guys at my gym, so he knows how to pick up an art and train it right. He's also not the smallest guy out there.

From his mouth; when I asked him why he quit after 6 years, he said it was simple- a judoka came into his gym and wiped the fucking floor with him. He was more than happy to tell me he got his ass kicked.

Aikido is a useless art.

[H4I2I2EE]

It's ironic, I guarantee you he picked up BJJ rather quickly cuz of his Aikido training. I have actually heard of that happening before from reading forums and stuff.

My teacher has been doing Aikido since he was 17 in Japan, where he is from. He is elderly now so that is over 50 years of Aikido. Plus he has done western boxing and also Judo from his school years in Japan. He says Aikido has proved the more useful in the street in real fights he has been in over his lifetime.

[H4I2I2EE]

...so no offense, I think I will take his word over your buddy's

[solpapisolmook]

So congratulations, after 50 years of Aikido training, it becomes street practical. For people who are 5 years or below, it's going to do nothing but get them killed. Maybe even 10 years or below.

As for Aikido helping him train BJJ; I asked him that too. I can't remember what he said exactly, but he said it helped only in one way, and that had to do with his ability to either get or defend the triangle choke. I honestly don't remember.

He was being perfectly honest. No agenda.

[H4I2I2EE]

I said over his lifetime. Doesn't that mean to you that it must have been useful DURING the fifty years?

[solpapisolmook]

Uch, for God's sake.....

Ok-- after 20 years. Are you happy?

[H4I2I2EE]

Like you were there...so you know better than him if and when it was useful or not...some people should have to pass a logical reasoning test before they post comments geez.

[solpapisolmook]

I've had Aikidokas themselves tell me that for self-defense, Aikido takes years and years to get a grip of. You'll find videos here on youtube of them saying this.

Look at the evolution of martial arts and see for yourself; look at hybrid martial arts, which are created purely for street defense. Look how they don't incorporate Aikido but they do incorporate many others styles. Why do you think this is? Look at mixed martial arts; why are competitors never trained in Aikido? Come on.

[solpapisolmook]

For God's sake, just look at this video. Does this training drill look ANYTHING like how people really fight? You're either willfully ignorant, stupid, or just in plain denial.

I understand the denial part if you're an Aikidoka. I'd be pretty pissed off too if I wasted years of my life practicing an art that will get me killed if I were to use it anywhere outside of the dojo.

But that doesn't mean that what I'm saying is not true.  Further, it doesn't mean you can't switch styles now.

[H4I2I2EE]

I wouldn't switch styles this soon in my training. I like the style of Aikido I am training in. It is self defense oriented. It's called Korindo. It isn't well known even in the Aikido community so the possibility of you knowing anything about it is that much less.

[solpapisolmook]

Which means you train a lot of tenkan.

Tell me; if you had to bet your life on it, would you be confident that your training in tekan, for instance, would save you if someone was coming at you with a knife, REALLY TRYING TO CUT YOU AND KILL YOU?

Be honest.

I train BJJ, so I won't lie and say that BJJ can save me from weapons attacks.

Do you have the same honesty in you?

[H4I2I2EE]

Yes, I would be confidant that the training of the art itself gives me the tools but if I tense up(fear) and don't move appropriately it wouldn't matter what art I had studied. We practice taisabaki movements that make use of the rotation of the hips which come in handy if your opponent is stronger than you. The whole body moving is more powerful than just straight up arm strength.

[solpapisolmook]

Obviously, you don't have the same honesty. Or you're just unable to see the reality of the situation (which, I'll concede, is common among Aikidokas).

Remember: in real life, attackers don't cooperate with you and do fancy little breakfalls after they stand there doing nothing so you can show off some flashy kotagaeshi or whatever.

[H4I2I2EE]

"Remember:in real life,attackers don't cooperate with you and do fancy little breakfalls after they stand there doing nothing so you can show off some flashy kotagaeshi or whatever."

AH HAH just what I thought,the tell tale sign that lets you know that someone doesn't really understand what Aikido is all about and/or how it works, but I am not surprised. How can you if you don't practice it? Some things in life have to be felt. They can't just be seen or told about. It's just not that simple.

[solpapisolmook]

Yes, some things DO have to be felt. But some things are so obvious just from looking and constantly seeing ludicrousness, than it's not necessary to feel.

[H4I2I2EE]

I agree SOMETHINGS but I don't agree that Aikido is one of those things.

We do Rondori which is like sparring with random attacks/attackers but you can't do that right out of the gate as in BJJ(I believe) cuz accidents can happen and you can get seriously injured. You don't really do Rondori until black belt and the attackers have to be an even higher grade than you are.

If you bring some Joe off the street and say attack me randomly and do Kotegaishi he could end up with his wrist broken.

[Deke101]

One guy gets beaten by a Judoka and THAT makes Aikido useless... Hmm.

[solpapisolmook]

There are about 10 000 threads online discussing the uselessness and impracticality of Aikido.

Hmm.

[Deke101]

I have USED it. It HAS worked for me. It HAS worked for others. There are 10000 threads explaining that we never went to the moon. There are 10000 thread saying that NO planes hit the World Trade Center on 9-11. Do you agree with any of them because of their numbers? There is no end to the number of clods who can use a computer these days.

[solpapisolmook]

Be that as it may- when it comes to martial arts, no other MA has as many people attacking it for its uselessness as much as Aikido. The Sensei in this video, Gary Boaz, even wrote it to me on one of these boards that Aikido is largely impractical.

Shut the fuck up.

[Deke101]

"Shut the fuck up."

I was wondering when you would resort to the infantile. You prove martial arts has taught you nothing. Peace.

[solpapisolmook]

When I would resort to insulting you for your stupidity? Right after putting you in your place with nothing to say back to me because I'm right. Thank you.

[Deke101]

lol. You go ahead and think that, tough guy. Stick to trolling. Adult debate is obviously not your forte.

Peace.

[solpapisolmook]

Comment posted without responding to my point, which makes you look like a bitch: number 3 and counting!!

[Deke101]

What point? You're just slinging insults like a clown, as your type usually does. This argument is pointless. At this point, all I am doing is amusing myself as I watch your meltdown.

[solpapisolmook]

Meltdown? Haha- you wish. You're the one training a useless art, my man!

[Deke101]

Yes, yes, I know. 'Mine is BETTER than yours.' If you can end it with a 'nanny, nanny, boo-boo, your argument will be complete. Have fun learning how to beat people up like on a playgroud. That is all you seem to care about. You can have the last say, too.