Landing a PA-38 at Manchester Airport runway 24R (subtitles available)

[pbrew85]

Where's 23L ?

[ATWalex]

how come there is a british airways 747 at 1:44?

[pbrew85]

@ATWalex it's an airport.

[Mogget5]

@ATWalex

It looks like the second runway is still under construction, which would make this video nearly a decade old. I was there in August 1999, and British Airways still operated Boeing 747s from Manchester at that time.

[MrEddieLarge]

Kudos for manchester international lol...idé be crapping my pants....love the tomahawk btw, thats all i have ever flown. Love them. My solo was in one!!. much love.

[danielbarley]

At least teach your passenger about planes before he asks a million and one questions ;-)

[mrwideboy]

A little high a off centre line but nice landing,

[Superstreak1]

Why did they change from 24r and left to 23R and left?

[ewandougie]

@Superstreak1 Magnetic Variation, the runway ended up becoming closer to 050 than 060 when they re-calibrated it

[Superstreak1]

@ewandougie Oh rite thanks mate (:

[fatmanskinnymexican]

the TRAUMAHAWK

[TheWhiteOwl23]

@fatmanskinnymexican lol i reckon.

[blueb0g]

Heh, you're passenger sounds so annoying...

[blueb0g]

@blueb0g *your. Godammit, grammar nazi'ing myself.

[madisonelectronic]

What was the remark about the Tardis?

[MovingHabbo]

Love how there is a scottish guy doing the ATC :)

[OMFGitzDannyP]

How much is the landing fee at Manchester for a PA28?

[MovingHabbo]

Nice video!

[janny1983]

I like this video and i love planes!,Good landing! tht bleep before touchdown was a stall warning wasnt it??

[mazza123hfd]

Can you make more of these please?....

[liamdunfey]

That's a Liverpool Flying School Tomahawk : ) It's now registered as G-LFSM and what's the guy's name who filming haha

[FlightLevelHeaded]

Great sound quality.

[tolpuddleman]

Great vid guys. Reminds me of when I did pretty much the same in a trial lesson years ago. Thanks.

[notalee]

Alan Partridge?

[dangermouse0027]

cool vid

[BMXBOBO]

118 118

[mbpdavies]

Awesome video, haha this must have been so kool. How come you landed there? Did you have to pay? This is what most people dream of lol nice one!

[covladuk1985]

@mbpdavies All landings are paid by a fee unless in emergancy situations

[TheL94e]

cracking video with a dash of northen humour . top video lads !

[rysternightstalk]

how did u get in the cockpit :D

[Jetstarboy]

nice vid but no one will be able to land on 24R again !!

[Trek001]

@Jetstarboy why is that?

[Jetstarboy]

@Trek001

Runway 24R changed to 23R some time ago.

Likewise the same runway in the opposite direction was 06L and is now 05L.

cheers.

[blueb0g]

@Trek001 Because the north pole constantly changes where it is, so MAG headings change.

[Trek001]

@blueb0g oh right - i thought they had closed the runway

[adamski895RS]

BA 747 at manchester? how long ago was that service?

[TherealDeltaEcho]

Really nice video, but very hard to understand that strange language! And sooo polite! They should learn to speak English! ;>)

(BTW.....the silly questions are usally a sign of a nervous passenger, I like a 'sterile cockpit' which means: "SHUT UP on landing and takeoff!"....in any language.

[childsca]

@TherealDeltaEcho

Agreed on the sterile cockpit thing, I did a flight today with 2 other people in my 172 and I couldn't hear a thing. Had to turn on the pilot isolation but the guy in the right seat kept turning it off saying he would be quiet. He never did though. Then he wonders why I'm pissed when I'm taxiing back.

[dalequarmby]

Amazing video 10/10

[MONEERALTABSH]

THE BEST VIDEO I HAVE EVER SEEN

[Ben123planes]

that man is like a politician, asking easy to answer but annoying questions all the time, without even waiting for the asking

[rudyyoungblood2223]

bet the landing fees are alot at manchester, but really kl vid nice one!

[mitchellcadet]

at 1.47 there is a ba 747 wht is odd 4 manchester

[ozzuBuzzo]

@mitchellcadet No second runway!

[wesley2348]

its still being built on this vid.

[Mr3293]

......

[randomer86]

by looking out of the window

[covladuk1985]

How u line up with the runway without ILS?

[ChorleyClaret1981]

by looking out the window!

[jordyat14]

was that sound when you was about to touchdown the stall sound?

if it was COOL!!!

[ChrizRockster]

jordyat14 - yes, the perfect landing is the stall sounder just before the main wheels touch.

[charlieechovictor]

not necessarily, everyone has different airmanship. ;-)

[ChrizRockster]

charlineecho - true, indeed. Just the way most clubs tend to teach I guess.

As always - a safe landing is one you walk away from! 8o)

[defaultytuser]

I did my PPL training in a PA-38 and I still don't understand why so many people hates it

[BingobONGOyesyo]

This clip is way over 10 years old .

Manchester Airport has had a much longer second runway for nearly 10 years now

[Ben123planes]

the passenger could have been a news reporter shooting all these easy-to-answer but anoying questions all the way through that.

[EdNurse]

Whatever!

[perkin158]

tell your passenger to be quiet on landing! good landing though!

[EdNurse]

Whatever! (again)

[Ben123planes]

lol, but it's true!

[matt160177]

That must of cost a packet landing at MAN? Nice vid though :)

[slipstream86]

nice vid, how did u manage to get the recording of ATC?

[Ben123planes]

jack mic

[KERVERAS]

yes worst think asking questions when approaching for landing....!!! trying to make prelanding checks,speak to atc,power,attitude,speed correct altitude and so on....nice landing !!!

[mattyccc2009]

you know your an aviation nerd when 7oclock is your favourite time of the day 707 727 737 747 757.

[vinthan006]

why forget 300 310 318 319 320 321 330 340 350

[mattyccc2009]

Yeah lol

[blueb0g]

Guilty of that :3

[jonathankochhougaard]

Uhh that's high :-P

Nice video though

[mattyccc2009]

how do you know when your a aviation nerd.

when someone says ''cock'' and you think of the fuel cock in a cessna.

[trechan]

or a cockpit

[mattyccc2009]

yeh before anyone says im slaging aviation nerds cause im a very big aviation nerd, and that guy filming you land it most of been anoying trying to land and him asking random questions.

[trechan]

lol I chuckled "National Exhibition Arena"

[Lullymim]

Northern Executive Air ! D'oh !

[GeckoWithAnUzi]

Ah Yes - the good 'ol Tommy. Scared the piss outta me the first time I went up to do my PPL training. Rickety as hell, but you soon grow to love 'em for some bizarre reason...?

[texNoz]

I too hate the Piper Traumahawk.. I've had TWO engine outs and one forced power-on landing in those damn things..

I still love the mushy lil docile cessna for fun jumps..

[Chuckjagermeister]

Oooh I hated the Tom. It makes you steer with your feet and when you pull back the power it's like throwing an anchor overboard. The only thing I liked about it compared to the C-152/172 is when turning base to final you could actually see the runway.

[buckiejagsman]

Use to do flying lessons in the PA-38 until Highland flying School ceased trading a couple of weeks ago. Shame because it was a nice little aircraft to fly and the people at the flying school were superb.

[carlraffaviation]

Heyy buckiejagsman, i flew at Highland FS aswel, i agree about the aircraft fantastic aircraft, i believe theres a new training provider starting up there

[alistairarthur]

Really? I was interested in Highland FS but they stopped before i could begin training. Who is taking it over?

[carlraffaviation]

yeah, highland aero club used to rent the buildingg to HFS but seeing as they no longer exsist there not there, i believe it will be highlandaero club starting up with a PA28 and possibly a cessna, message me for more info

[baseball1090]

i hat efkying iam really acred of it and iam flyin 2 florida this friday iam really nervise

[fergovideos]

Doesn't Manchester Airport have some safety issues? I avoid it if possible.

[grannyBangproduction]

landing was a little high

[1053857]

the controller asked it you idiot

[grannyBangproduction]

wasnt listening

[GMTVlover2009]

Nice video

[geveva18]

Sexy accents!

[ILOVEBEECHCRAFT]

northern executive air...lol

[mpaton2006]

Is MSF still going?

I trained there about 7 years ago, was a great place, if expensive. I paid about 700 quid in landing fees (about 20 quid a shot back then (plus VAT))

My instructors were Claire Davidson, Jonathon Drayton and James Murphy.

Congleton 3 VFR to Sleap, Tatenhill or Wolverhampton was the norm, although I remember once going off 6L via the low level corridor!

[AnthonyHWilson]

Manchester Airport has only this week lost ALL long haul flights by British Airways and BMI has also pulled the plug on ALL long haul flights in the same week! This was in addition to recording a record 10% drop in passengers from the previous year!

Manchester like it's grotty little airport is in serious terminal decline!

Google it!

[ministryod10]

Its a very nice airport...but over the years it has got s little quit in some terminals and it has 3 terminals and 2 runways a bit big for a airport in northen england!

[ministryod10]

Man ATC must be mad when they told him to LAND L0NG!

[TranceMan1818]

They say land long so you can vacate the runaway Faster than landing at the end of the runaway and taxing to the exit point they want you to get off the runway asap for the bigger jets to land

[hyper4lifedude]

this video was so much more entertaining with the talking in the cockpit!

[adamwilko86]

Taxi to the NEA.... "The National Exibition Arena". That cracked me up hahaha.

Nice vid.

[covladuk1985]

NEA Stands For Northern Executive Aviation LTD(Hanger 7) Situated At Manchester Airport, Nitwit.

[adamwilko86]

I know. Duh!! That's why i found it funny and it cracked me up

[covladuk1985]

Also you were abit high as the Papi/Vasi Says 4 Whites!

[therb777]

He was high because they told him to land long... Nice except for not retracting the flaps upon touchdown

[mpaton2006]

you want to try landing on the glideslope at 70kias on a 3 mile runway when the taxi turnoff to the parking area is 2/3 of the way down the runway and you have an A330 behind you on a 5 mile final!

[man1utd1]

ermmm may i ask since when did manchester airport have a 3 mile runway? both runway's are 10,000ft (3000m) long.

[covladuk1985]

Urgh Manchester Airport. The Big Jets Think They Own The Place, Nice To See A Small Aircraft Taking Controll Of The Runway For A Change.

[zero7777]

Great vid and nice touch to get the ATc in there. Just started my ppl training in the tomahawk thanks for sharing :)

[nolhrt]

Reminds me of my days learning to fly at a big airport. You always get the hurry up from controllers at big airports. The jets are barrelling in at 160 knots while you bimble along at 60. BTW bluenose, a stall warning just at touchdown is considered a good thing. %0 foot off the ground, a bad thing! And Prescott, he were high because he were asked to land long! Sheesh! All these Microsoft pilots!

[locdown120]

chill wit all dat dude

[doive1231]

This is a very funny video. I liked your commentary throughout. I thought if you were on the runway then it is "yours" and no-one else can land. Pity you get the hurry up from controllers just because your small.

[SPrescott2611]

very nice video i like the fact you have the ATC in the video. Nice landing althought judging by the white lights at the side of the runway you were too high but you had loads of runway so who cares i'm not going to be one of these gits who critisise everything.

nice landing and yes i do remember the flight simulator chalenge on the krypton factor it was great.

[glenwoofit]

You alyways come in high on a visual approach in a light aircraft compared to the 3 degrees glide slope of the PAPI's otherwise you are low and slow for a long time, Not good if the donkey stops! Also he was asked to Land Long.

[B757204]

Lol, nice vid!

[bluenose81huskys]

lol - nearl Fcucked up there, stalling on Landing! I presume You learnt from that and am glad your mate flying with you didnt have a scooby do - lol

[glenwoofit]

Just before the Touch Down the Stall Warner should Sound it sounds about 5 Knots above the stall and the audible signal is what tells you your about to lose a lot of lift and hence flop on the the runway At that phase of the landing you are not looking at your Airspeed Indicator.

A Stall in a PA38 is something you don't want to do, They don't call them TerrorHawks for nothing!

[mrciscocischetti]

Hi, very good quality video. Jeez, I'd rather land on a long concrete runway instead of the one I'm used to land on!!!

Click on my account to find it out.

[FoxDougan]

I'm about to start training for my PPL in September, so it's really interesting to hear the radio traffic - it provides much more of an insight than the ones without it. It sounds complicated mind :P

[gcacer]

You approach way to high on the turn

[captianofthesky1]

thats what land long means

[captianofthesky1]

well u have landing marks so u land longer than them or u over shoot by 500 or 1,000m

[chestacity4lyf]

wats a pa38?

[tombewick380]

type of plane lol. DUH!

[chestacity4lyf]

really!!!!!?????

i thought it was a bird.......

wot i ment was is t small or big or something?

[FoxDougan]

Look on Wikipedia for a PA38/Piper Tomahawk, all the info is on there.

[chestacity4lyf]

thanks

[mrdiddlydonk]

Excellent vid! What does "land long" mean?

[TranceMan1818]

it means land long eg land in the middle of the runaway so he can vacate quicker so the big beast air planes can land 747ect if he landed at the end of the runaway it would take longer to vacate

[mrdiddlydonk]

Thanks for the comeback. I had a feeling that was what it meant but just wanted to check. Excellent to hear all the voice comms too. Really enjoyed this vid.

[pinguif21]

huge runway

[Exocisme]

How did you record the voice of the ATC ? - Good vid btw (:

[EdNurse]

This was actually done very easily - a cheap lav mic was inserted into the passenger's headphones (ie mine), then this mic was connected to the camera. Thus the internal headset feed and the radio output were recorded.

[EdNurse]

My comment below was about recording the ATC audio by the way - I hate the way YouTube organises comments (or not, as the case is!).

[spicedclay]

When the tower asks to land long.. how far down the runway do you need to be before the wheels touch?

[hal9001]

Excellent video. There isn't enough video of actual landings in the UK. Thanks.

[liamsandie]

great video, thanks for sharing!

[planemadmatt]

Great video...Well done!

[metall2462]

hey is it not your intention to touchdown on the numbers at Manchester? I learned to fly in the states...on that same aircraft too. I was taught to aim to touch down just at or past the runway threshold.

[rolfmanuk]

Not at Manchester, No. You have to vacate the runway as quickly as possible as the next 747 is only minutes behind. You'll she that I'm off the runway very soon after tuchdown at the correct exit for the NEA apron.

[ddhh1]

Great! Fantastic video, lets see some more.

[matty1992101]

how did u manage to get the camera to hear ATC? did you just record it?

[matty1992101]

i want to know that too!

[Tomtheflyboy]

now that 24L(23L) has been built, I always seem to takeoff on it lol

it was funny when you thought u were on the ground and then the stall warner kicked in and u landed.

it was weird watching this as I'm used to watching it through a Jet window

Tomtheflyboy

[rorymarsh]

It is Manchester Airport, the two runways run parallel to one another, the reason why he's high on final is to vacate the runway as quickly as possible for the other aircraft in sequence on the ILS. It's good to watch small aircraft land at manchester, makes a change to seeing a constant flow of jets!

[rolfmanuk]

Yes, the long landing is intentional as they need you to get out of the way as quickly as possible.

It is Manchester and was shot about 2000, possibly 2001 when the second runway was still being built. You can see the works in progress if you look.

[zh127]

This is defenitley MAN/EGCC, as you can hear it being said numerous times by both ATC and the pilot.

mole646 yes he is high, but at the request of the Air Traffic Controller. By moving the intended TDZ or aiming point down the runway by flying higher on approach the pilot cuts his taxi time vacating the runway.

This is especially important with a faster aircraft approaching behind it. The overall distance of the runway is 3048m, so I think the pilot had a bit to spare...

[mole646]

You were high on final!

[ministryod10]

that is NOT manchester airport thats gatwick manchester airport has 2 runways!!!

[thorn4045]

Incorrect. Several issues show that its clearly MAN - runway 24R (now 23R) doesn't exist at LGW. The pilot calls up with 'Manchester Tower'. MAN TWRs frequency is 118.620 - GND is 121.850. The NEA exists at MAN, not LGW.

You can tell thats its MAN just from looking at it! The parallel runways aren't directly next to each other - 23L starts further west that 23R so it's not totally clear in the video.

[ministryod10]

-sighs- well it looks like gatwick

[AirbusBoeing2008]

except for the fact doesn't ministyod10. I loved this vid btw roflmanuk :D

[MJBRAND767]

Irrelevant to the subject of aviation or anything else "Can anyone see me?"

Not the brightest lamp in the street really??!!

Good Video though!

[nandoARG25]

mmm. loooooooooong touch over half of the runway.

[RyEyur2k7]

*Oh look theres manchester airport* Noo well it is where were landing - if the main building said london gatwick then i think they turned left at the wrong cloud :P

[jonapot]

rflol....r we on the ground yet!!! hahaha

[ross1991]

hahahaha are we on the ground yet

[grahamfairclough]

I've landed a PA38 at Manchester a lot of times. Each time is a buzz; probably one of the best joys of light aircraft flying in the UK.

[homepage1011]

Awesome!!! Should be good fun landing at international airport and fly with those big ones!

[JeSuisUnPetitPois]

What radio station did were they listening to. Sounds great!!

[fjshepherd93]

They were passed (note that this is unusual) to Final Director on 121.350 (their job is to guide aircraft to the ILS/approach when busy), then to the aerodrome controller (Tower) on 118.625.

[fjshepherd93]

Ah, the days before 6 figure frequencies...

[firewulff]

I like that "Are we on the ground yet?" BANG!! " Ahh we are now!!!" hahaha

[ThepowerofGE90]

very nice landing, nice approuch aswell, at birmingham most if not all visitor aircraft like PA38's, cessna's, and citations are told to land long, i guess air traffic want then off the runway as soon as possible,, that must be nerve rackin knowing theres a boeing 777 4 miles behind you lol

great landing

5 stars

[Rehnn83]

Cool - nice video - Nice audio capture as well.

[oo7im]

G-BWNR is now G-LFSM at LPL flyingschool. I'm training for my PPL at Liverpool and I've flown G-SM once or twice. Quite a nice kite i think you'll agree :)

[rolfmanuk]

Does it still have the "clockwork" radio, as described by Ed as being out of the TARDIS? I always thought that it worked better that the "digital" one above it which is why I used it.

[tompus1]

hahaha, you ever been to manchester?

tit

[JourneymanStudios]

Your passenger - "whats that noise" *looks nervous* :D hehe

Very high approach however overall good landing :)

[rolfmanuk]

The height is deliberate. GA is asked to land long so they can vacate the runway quickly at the right point. That's the taxiway I turned down.

[JourneymanStudios]

Ahh i see... thought there would be a reason. cool stuff :)

[salem61]

I wonder where ProfessorRobRight got his information from!

[pocock24]

nice bit high lol

[ilovevids]

great video 5/5

[fjshepherd93]

If it's any consolation, my first ever landing was about as good as that... at Woodford.