guardians can be taken down fair cost effeciently by the terran while the zerg has to invest a relatively large amount of resources. However if the zerg hits a timing window where the mech transition is occuring (which is really hard to do) then the terran dies as he dosent really have the ability to take down the guardians before they do a large amount of damage to the terran
@nonameposter Yes he dinn't even try.What is wrong with that?And he din't even use 1 science vesel.I think Flashwas intentionatly not using Science vessels because he kew he could beat him anyway.
lol@gavnastyyy, you talk like you had a real idea of broodwar. even more you make it look like zerg didn't know what he was doing hahaha.
it's just lovely how all the retard come and make comments about what the best of the best should've done better, yet yourself you wouldn't be able to 5pool a terran who is 1 base away from you. just ridiculous douches
of course i fucking know kwanro is tons better than i will ever dream of being, and that he obviously has to know what he's doing. i was just saying he lost a bunch of ultras.
@gavnastyyy you didn't understand me correctly. i didnt say something ridiculous like "he is better than you", i said by the way you talk you obsiously are a complete noob who wouldn't stand a game vs another idiot. i'm not comparing you to a pro, i am comparing you to the other precarity retards that you belong to.
@TheHitlerGuy : Critique is not meaning to put someone else down. Do I have to be a politician to criticize a bad politician? No. Kwanro did a really good job there, especially single dropping all those units on the siege tanks, but still: risking ultralisks to clear minefields is fuckin costly which in the end cost him the game.
Seriously lol @ Flash in the first 9 mins. He got so into his experimental valkyrie build that he got tricked by kwanros build order, expecting mutas rather than lurkers. But he knew about that risk when choosing such an unorthodox build - even the commentators laughed when his valkyries were wasted. Props to Flash for experimenting.
But then he starts playing seriously, starting with his gosu counter-drop. Then he simply shows that he's the best terran out there, maybe even the best player.
Kwanro should have changed to mutalisk once he noticed Flash was going for mechanics. Mutalisks are definately stronger for Mechanics. Even though there were goliaths, it had 0/0 upgrades.
loll at the agressive stupidness of Bulgaria downwards trying to say the game is unbalanced with ``arguments`` like comparing units' mineral cost, of course u can always try to reply back and tell me another advantage one race has on another but the fact is they all have certain advantages on each other which balances out and ultimately the game does come down to player's skill play, OK otherwise we wouldn't see stable starcraft leaders such as Jaedong, Flash, Bisu playing different races
@aoahuj I think you are right. Kwanro lost way to many units because of mines. That beeing said Flash has soooo good mine-control.. He always seem to avoid friendly damage by mines.
the winner played really bad (by his standards) at the start (odd tech choices at times), but survived and just absolutely beautiful macro won it for him at the end! so dominant
Well, Flash changed his strategy a lot. He always used to atack zerg players with marines medics, vessels and a few support tanks. In this game we based his atack in a mech army. It was a great game from the terran dominion
Props to Flash for experimenting with an unconventional mech build on a heavily terran-favored map to give us a more entertaining game (almost losing the game in the process).
Only thing I was missing from Flash's part was a valkyrie comeback to handle those queens.
Well, it's all relative, but I would call that heavily terran-favored compared to other maps.
Regardless, it's obvious that Flash is purposely playing a very experimental and risky build order. I don't know his exact reason for this, if it's the map, his opponent or some other circumstance, but I like that he chose to experiment and entertain the viewers rather than going for his standard m&m builds which would likely have been a much easier win.
At anytime all Kwanro had to do was mass Mutas to make the game much harder for Flash. And I'm sure he thought about it too. BUt guess what? Since it's FlaSh, he probably thought it wouldn't work so he never bothered.
Kwanro can mass muta SOOO much faster than Flash can mass Goliath. Not to mention that Goliath do half damage to muta and aren't effective at all in low numbers.
This game illustrates why you CANNOT go Ultra/ling against mech. Mine tank is too cost efficient.
Unupgraded mutas aren't going to do much against whatever upgrades Flash had. Presumably 3 3, but there's something wrong with the video, and it says 0 0 for both players.
In a starcraft game, biggest APM ( action per minute) should be to achieved by zerg players, after terrans and protos players the last. So z>t>p. Anyway it's extremly hard to play terran and to focus everywhere. My opinion ( as an 8 years SC player-all races, but now terran) is that terran race is the hardest. That's why is also the most spectatous and apreciated race. Anyway all races are equal. Depends on other things to win.But hardest to play is terran. Bye
I felt really bad for Kwanro, during the whole game. He got a perfect start and the game slowly slipped from his hands.
Perhaps mutas when Flash was low on gols was his only route to victory.
As for Flash. What can I say... I think this is about the strongest TvZ play i have EVER seen from a terran. failed valk opening to a tech switch. His style was so ridiculously strong. I mean, Kwanro pretty much played like a champ, but he didnt ever threaten Flash after ~15 minutes.
yea, I don't think flash even BUILT a Science Facility. At the 30 minute mark, his tank upgrades were 0-0.
I think Kwanro really didn't know how to respond to it. And he was beaten to confusion during midgame because he had no idea what to do. He probably wouldn't know what 2+2 is because he was so confused.
All I can say... right now is What the fuck. How the fuck do you play a 40 minute game against zerg without building A SINGLE science vessel? There was absolutely NO science facility tech at any point.. seriously what the fuck, was flash just messing with him? seems like it lol
Science Vessels FORCE the opponent to build scourge and mutalisks, wasting the opponents gas and micro to snipe vessels. If all kwanro had was Ultras and Lings, then the science vessels would of had free reign to irradiate the shit out of Ultras and Ovas.
That being said, Flash was going mech so... it's hard to find the gas to spare. Srsly though, crazy game
@VinsonWood Hows ling / ultra is unorthodox? If you mean queens, they were there just to broodling tanks which is also normal, now if he went infested terrans and did some crazy drops with them it would be unorthodox :)
Is it just me or the commentary view was broken. There are times when the upgrades of the units showed up correctly but near the end, everything had 0.0 upgrades.
i'm wondering if a switch to mass muta around the time kwanro made the queens would have allowed him to kill enough tanks to tilt the game in his favor. probably not, but meh.
Flash should be banned from playing starcraft hahaha. he makes the game imba. jokes.. This actually reminds me of Savior. In 2005~2006, everyone says Zerg is imba thanks to him. In 2008~2009, it thanks to Jaedong.
lol noob! It was flash that played terran. There's very slim chance if any to win for the zerg here. Zerg lost because he was using 200 gas units to clear out the mines which are free.
@Apexplyr well the best argument to point how sc is balance is to show him the progress of the game this past 6 years, so that a player can realize how much the game has change. i love the era were protoss were pawning everyone and also the early age of sc where terrans were the best. nowadays is a battle to the top no matter the race, just the player the best example is what flash did in last OSL, he was like the only terran in RO8 and he won the damm thing
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For one you could open your eyes a little bit. Being a game nerd you lose a sight of reality and can't see the big picture. No game is perfectly balanced. And though SC is the leader it is far from perfection.
Skills are not equally distributed. At low levels one has to be very good to play Terran (one mistake and gg) in comparison to Protoss.
Protoss is the most cheasy race there is. It could deny Zerg 12 hatch, harass probes, kill building SCVs, do cannon/gate rushes giving it the edge.
(Part 3) The direct counter to Carriers for the Terran is Goliaths and yet 4 carriers can kill Goliaths of a higher net price. This is not counter. Terran has to be on the edge and constantly limit toss to max 4 carriers, rely on counterattacks (that might not be feasable due to map restrictions).
Maps are another factor. Have you tried playing on a genuine StarCraft map. 12 zealot rush could be unstoppable.
Just for once give an argumented reply like a grown person u prick.
What the hell are you talking about in these comments? You're just rambling on about random shit. What do carriers vs goliaths have to do with balance? Do games just start off with both players getting both? Shut up.
SC is not completely balanced, races have slight advantages against each other (~5%), and if you followed the metagame in any way, you should've realised this a long time ago.
guardians are good againts the retarded computer, they're too slow, come too late, too expensive and their health is too low
llVIU 6 months ago
7 people said no to stim
Saritenite 9 months ago
KIN, KIN!!!
Kerlengo 11 months ago
he thought... if he made guardians,
1: he would have spent a lot of minerals
2: the goliaths can quickly take them out
3: he went for a ultra and queen build
XvBOOMvX 1 year ago
gg but i clap for zerg because using queens ;d
ShniWalker 1 year ago
sc1?
SherpaLeader3 1 year ago
Noob question here - why didn't Kwanro make any guardians? Wouldn't they force Flash out of his minefield pocket defense earlier?
FeanorBR 1 year ago
@FeanorBR
guardians can be taken down fair cost effeciently by the terran while the zerg has to invest a relatively large amount of resources. However if the zerg hits a timing window where the mech transition is occuring (which is really hard to do) then the terran dies as he dosent really have the ability to take down the guardians before they do a large amount of damage to the terran
minerasasd 6 months ago
@minerasasd Oh I see... A lot of depth in competitive SC play. Never really reached that level.
FeanorBR 6 months ago
The Zerg is a noob to the max. Poorest controll ever.
MyLifeForAuir87 1 year ago
Why didn't flash go Air on the Ultralisks?
BlackYoshi2 1 year ago
@BlackYoshi2
It's called scourge men
Unrunning 1 year ago
@BlackYoshi2 well, then kwanro would go scourges... and it would be a total waste for Flash
dragoncenter 1 year ago
fucking queen....
dragoncenter 1 year ago
Why did Flash not fight for air control, try to hunt down the overlords?
nonameposter 1 year ago
@nonameposter Yes he dinn't even try.What is wrong with that?And he din't even use 1 science vesel.I think Flashwas intentionatly not using Science vessels because he kew he could beat him anyway.
NlmDth 1 year ago
flashs vulture raids make me laugh hahahaha
l00seg00tyh0les 1 year ago
around 12-14 minutes in, there was a grace period for Kwanro. If he massed mutalisks and scourge, he could've had the game :(
standbackguy 1 year ago
He just kept making Ultras just to get completely shit on by mines.
I've never seen so many Ultras die in a single game. Truly tragic.
gavnastyyy 1 year ago
lol@gavnastyyy, you talk like you had a real idea of broodwar. even more you make it look like zerg didn't know what he was doing hahaha.
it's just lovely how all the retard come and make comments about what the best of the best should've done better, yet yourself you wouldn't be able to 5pool a terran who is 1 base away from you. just ridiculous douches
TheHitlerGuy 1 year ago
are you serious dude?
of course i fucking know kwanro is tons better than i will ever dream of being, and that he obviously has to know what he's doing. i was just saying he lost a bunch of ultras.
calm down, dude.
gavnastyyy 1 year ago
@gavnastyyy you didn't understand me correctly. i didnt say something ridiculous like "he is better than you", i said by the way you talk you obsiously are a complete noob who wouldn't stand a game vs another idiot. i'm not comparing you to a pro, i am comparing you to the other precarity retards that you belong to.
TheHitlerGuy 1 year ago
@TheHitlerGuy : Critique is not meaning to put someone else down. Do I have to be a politician to criticize a bad politician? No. Kwanro did a really good job there, especially single dropping all those units on the siege tanks, but still: risking ultralisks to clear minefields is fuckin costly which in the end cost him the game.
IamtheAlienator 1 year ago
no blackout to save kwanro :(
GinToYura 1 year ago
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Seriously lol @ Flash in the first 9 mins. He got so into his experimental valkyrie build that he got tricked by kwanros build order, expecting mutas rather than lurkers. But he knew about that risk when choosing such an unorthodox build - even the commentators laughed when his valkyries were wasted. Props to Flash for experimenting.
But then he starts playing seriously, starting with his gosu counter-drop. Then he simply shows that he's the best terran out there, maybe even the best player.
Wintran 1 year ago
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Wintran 1 year ago
Kwanro should have changed to mutalisk once he noticed Flash was going for mechanics. Mutalisks are definately stronger for Mechanics. Even though there were goliaths, it had 0/0 upgrades.
dudgns 1 year ago
kwanro should have used mutalisks rather than ultras.... he had enough minerals&gas.. and terran's mechanics had no upgrades
Mutalisks are stronger to mechanics rather than lurkers or ultras
dudgns 1 year ago
how did Flash have NO upgrades ? that cant be real :O
tuffology 2 years ago
Only Flash is able to pull off something like that, and he is right to be happy about it and even laughing his ass off :)
tuffology 2 years ago
Flash knew he was behind, so he did something crazy, nice work, lol
ColdFusion101 2 years ago
Vults against Ultras...how pimp xD
TheMarine250789 2 years ago
flash smiling in the end, lol
jaihan8720 2 years ago
i'm trying to find Flash's most recent game, was it another winners league from last weekend? this was two weekends ago
chrisbary 2 years ago
flash is so fucking AWESOME/GOSU!!
Nev3rdie00 2 years ago
loll at the agressive stupidness of Bulgaria downwards trying to say the game is unbalanced with ``arguments`` like comparing units' mineral cost, of course u can always try to reply back and tell me another advantage one race has on another but the fact is they all have certain advantages on each other which balances out and ultimately the game does come down to player's skill play, OK otherwise we wouldn't see stable starcraft leaders such as Jaedong, Flash, Bisu playing different races
2CSST2 2 years ago
lol flash is too imba
6NiGoL 2 years ago
FLASH LOOKS LIKE EDWARD CULLEN!!!
am0ni 2 years ago 7
@am0ni wtf no!
aimthailaxu 1 year ago
@am0ni no, edward cullen looks like Flash
llVIU 6 months ago
the zerg lost because he let the spider mines blow up for aoe damage to multiple utralisks
send in one ultra at a time to soak up many mines, or send a overlord + hydralisk to kill mines to save ultras and zerg would have won
aoahuj 2 years ago
@aoahuj I think you are right. Kwanro lost way to many units because of mines. That beeing said Flash has soooo good mine-control.. He always seem to avoid friendly damage by mines.
Andnie 2 years ago
WTF? send ZERGLINGS before your ULTRASS
gwho 2 years ago
FLASH DECIDE TO GO CRAZY BUILD LOLOLO
TomValedro 2 years ago
37:19 Flash using stim pack IRL.
bacon685 2 years ago 13
props to kwanro for trying to be fancy, but a simple batch of mutas wouldve done wonders mid game.
VinsonWood 2 years ago
wow siege tanks really do slaughter ultralisks
VangY34311 2 years ago
the winner played really bad (by his standards) at the start (odd tech choices at times), but survived and just absolutely beautiful macro won it for him at the end! so dominant
geoube 2 years ago
Well, Flash changed his strategy a lot. He always used to atack zerg players with marines medics, vessels and a few support tanks. In this game we based his atack in a mech army. It was a great game from the terran dominion
luiscz1 2 years ago
Props to Flash for experimenting with an unconventional mech build on a heavily terran-favored map to give us a more entertaining game (almost losing the game in the process).
Only thing I was missing from Flash's part was a valkyrie comeback to handle those queens.
Wintran 2 years ago
@Wintran
dude the stat is 7 to 4 for terran in this map, it's pretty balanced.
kyo8219c 2 years ago
@kyo8219c
Well, it's all relative, but I would call that heavily terran-favored compared to other maps.
Regardless, it's obvious that Flash is purposely playing a very experimental and risky build order. I don't know his exact reason for this, if it's the map, his opponent or some other circumstance, but I like that he chose to experiment and entertain the viewers rather than going for his standard m&m builds which would likely have been a much easier win.
Wintran 2 years ago
Or perhaps it's just a classical case of hubris ;)
Wintran 2 years ago
yes thats right, he did it because he thought he would not win as often.
wasdwasdedsf 1 year ago
where did you find its terran favoured
wasdwasdedsf 1 year ago
A few Z- lings could have cleared the path for tons of Ultras!
chrisbary 2 years ago
good game
GTPeNTer 2 years ago
just play sc 2 it is much nicer looking. i got a working crack!
WAAPFIRE 2 years ago
for singleplayer only. and it's not like graphics make the game
ClifftonBeach 2 years ago
At anytime all Kwanro had to do was mass Mutas to make the game much harder for Flash. And I'm sure he thought about it too. BUt guess what? Since it's FlaSh, he probably thought it wouldn't work so he never bothered.
Wxue89 2 years ago
Except since Flash had the whole mech engine going he could have massed goliaths pretty quickly in response.
GahloWake 2 years ago
Kwanro can mass muta SOOO much faster than Flash can mass Goliath. Not to mention that Goliath do half damage to muta and aren't effective at all in low numbers.
This game illustrates why you CANNOT go Ultra/ling against mech. Mine tank is too cost efficient.
Neo0mega 2 years ago
Unupgraded mutas aren't going to do much against whatever upgrades Flash had. Presumably 3 3, but there's something wrong with the video, and it says 0 0 for both players.
FLABREZU 2 years ago
i know that game and its fucking stupit really man man what the hel its a game!!!
MrRoderik3000 2 years ago
writing stupid with a T in the end is STUPID
SuperHns 2 years ago 2
Oh, and props to MBCgame for using Dream Theater as one of their background songs. (:
Ghost2867 2 years ago
i'm sorry, but what game is this?!
darthez 2 years ago
Starcraft...
FLABREZU 2 years ago
To idiots talking about unbalance: let's take a look at some stats! :P
Terrans in the top 10 Kespa rankings: 1
Terrans in the top 10 ELO rankings: 3
Terran winners of the last 10 OSLs: 2
Terran winners of the last 10 MSLs: 2
Hmm... MAYBE FLASH IS JUST THE BEST PLAYER ON THE PLANET?! SHUT UP.
FLABREZU 2 years ago
jaedong>flash
Rebel4Life69 2 years ago
Rebel4life69=dumbcunt
dabomb2003 2 years ago
rofl sounds to me like a flash fan boy feeling sad because of the MSL? =)
Rebel4Life69 2 years ago
Flash is a GODDAMN BEAST.
FLABREZU 2 years ago 2
Noob zerg cheese attempt.
dabomb2003 2 years ago
hearing both background music tracks is really weird.
TheKirbyraeg 2 years ago
This whole game is just...bizarre.
EnsignN7 2 years ago 2
the best tvz in a very long time , incredible tech switch from flash into mech , very good counter to flash build by kwanro also
p.s this are the games that starcraft was made :)
lostreason1 2 years ago 2
Epic game...Btw most cost effective goliath ever on 30:13.. ^^
GG
djlink18 2 years ago
worst defiler play ive ever seen =D
eakzor 2 years ago
why don;t u show us how u use defilers, or how do u use them againt flash :)
lostreason1 2 years ago
now that wouldn't be fair to flash, ill just send 'em ultralisk instead
eakzor 2 years ago
Bulgaria what u say it's ok.
In a starcraft game, biggest APM ( action per minute) should be to achieved by zerg players, after terrans and protos players the last. So z>t>p. Anyway it's extremly hard to play terran and to focus everywhere. My opinion ( as an 8 years SC player-all races, but now terran) is that terran race is the hardest. That's why is also the most spectatous and apreciated race. Anyway all races are equal. Depends on other things to win.But hardest to play is terran. Bye
hresticosul 2 years ago
the last kwanaro went guardians flash raped him, flash is too good with his scans and if he sees guards coming he gets wraiths and eats them.
Nabuleone 2 years ago
I can't believe how much time Kwanro took to mass queens without trying guardians.
lordjimbo2 2 years ago
delay SC2, I want more Flash.
elarson77 2 years ago
kwanro noob, wtf was he doing with his ultralisks?
andrew30511 2 years ago 2
incredible comeback from flash..watching this game i sad 10 times in my mind it s gg for zerg but...
alexiverson28 2 years ago
jesus man how many ultras died to mines
b0b0dagreat 2 years ago
those flash fan screams r like... *speechless
damnlame4eva 2 years ago
I felt really bad for Kwanro, during the whole game. He got a perfect start and the game slowly slipped from his hands.
Perhaps mutas when Flash was low on gols was his only route to victory.
As for Flash. What can I say... I think this is about the strongest TvZ play i have EVER seen from a terran. failed valk opening to a tech switch. His style was so ridiculously strong. I mean, Kwanro pretty much played like a champ, but he didnt ever threaten Flash after ~15 minutes.
AassPils 2 years ago
lol no point trying... if a good terran has vult + tank only ht or reavers can make a difference.
elroi92 2 years ago
That was a lot of ultras and mines and tanks.
I also loved the valkyrie opening, even though it failed hard. And Flash wins anyway, that's pretty insane...
hyhhy 2 years ago
lol i feel bad for kwanro.
J0kerofHearts 2 years ago
it shows kwanro as 0-0 too wtF its not possible.
nukerush 2 years ago
was there some glitch with the upgrades? theres no way flash was 0-0 and no way kwanro didnt upgrade melee attack WTF
nukerush 2 years ago
80 plus commnets. but none commenting about the opening song!
shadow gallery !
cyclotane 2 years ago
Big mistake not backing up those Ultras with defilers - and even bigger mistake not to let lings drag the mines to the tanks.
overtrist 2 years ago
He tried to drag. The vultures and tanks kill the zerglings before the mines explode most of the time.
FLABREZU 2 years ago
Kwanro needs to build some cheap lings to clear those mines. Not ram expensive ultras into them.
IIGrudge 2 years ago
Another great match for both of these players :D!!!
keykanonmania84 2 years ago
@keykanonmania84
they're koreans retard
Gaspacho79 2 years ago
??????????
When did I say they are non-Koreans??
I am Korean too and I think you got me wrong, man.
keykanonmania84 2 years ago
INSANE mechanics owned enormous zerg troops.
p.s. i seriously saw over 1000 mines set on the map ;)
junho1252 2 years ago
packtory???
DizzleFest 2 years ago
PACK - TOUR - EE - A
vegason123 2 years ago
@DizzleFest science pessles and pultrures too.
antikmart 2 years ago
You know what, FlaSh hardly disappoints me :-) Not because I'm too easy, it's because he's tooooo GOOD !
minhchi1211 2 years ago
Flash is number one right now, no doubt about it.
chaidaro 2 years ago 2
Insane game play by both players!!
gundamz 2 years ago
@gundamz both players?
all there was to see is flash own the crap outta kwanro :PP
yoni199 2 years ago
what was kwanro thinking ?
he rammed all those mines with ultra's
could've used lings instead
yumemirutenshi 2 years ago
Wow, double mindfucked. This game should be titled "how to lose slowly"
FliBerries 2 years ago 3
yea, I don't think flash even BUILT a Science Facility. At the 30 minute mark, his tank upgrades were 0-0.
I think Kwanro really didn't know how to respond to it. And he was beaten to confusion during midgame because he had no idea what to do. He probably wouldn't know what 2+2 is because he was so confused.
ninjasks89 2 years ago 2
no upgrades?
jeutiub 2 years ago
I really enjoyed Kwanro's ultra only drop style....:D
Tx66 2 years ago 2
the zerg really should have switched to muta at like 20 min and camp them over the factory
but as a flash fan im glad he didnt
INS1cells 2 years ago
somebody get Flash a get well card. He's sick right now (courtesy of Kenny The Jet Smith)
ninjasks89 2 years ago 3
haha wtf
VinsonWood 2 years ago
It is just epic! Unbelivible game from flash!
levorgo 2 years ago
Incredible the way Flash laid down those mines..
99% of other players wouldn't have the apm to do that. Wow, just incredible.
horange84 2 years ago
All I can say... right now is What the fuck. How the fuck do you play a 40 minute game against zerg without building A SINGLE science vessel? There was absolutely NO science facility tech at any point.. seriously what the fuck, was flash just messing with him? seems like it lol
divick630 2 years ago 4
I hear ya. lol
But im' sure Flash did have a science facility for mech upgrades.
horange84 2 years ago
u can see at the 30 min mark flash is 0-0 at upg
yoni199 2 years ago
@divick630
Flash: science Vessel is so yesterday.
kyo8219c 2 years ago
midgame on, there was no muta nor lurkers so why would he need sci vessels?
both players played unorthodox, not surprising the tech wasn't the same as standard play.
VinsonWood 2 years ago
Science Vessels FORCE the opponent to build scourge and mutalisks, wasting the opponents gas and micro to snipe vessels. If all kwanro had was Ultras and Lings, then the science vessels would of had free reign to irradiate the shit out of Ultras and Ovas.
That being said, Flash was going mech so... it's hard to find the gas to spare. Srsly though, crazy game
divick630 2 years ago
im no korean progamer, but sci vessels don't force me to make mutas lol, some scourge for sure though.
VinsonWood 2 years ago
@VinsonWood Hows ling / ultra is unorthodox? If you mean queens, they were there just to broodling tanks which is also normal, now if he went infested terrans and did some crazy drops with them it would be unorthodox :)
MrOovie 2 years ago
@MrOovie Spawn spawn broodling on tanks is NOT "normal". It's not the first time... but it's definitetly not normal at all.
Andnie 2 years ago
first off, when terran use mech, zerg usually go muta/hyralisk and brooling tanks isn't very standard play at all, i don't know what your on lol.
VinsonWood 2 years ago
yes very normal. so when was the last time you saw that?
wasdwasdedsf 1 year ago
i like how they fought at Tier 3 (if u know wat i mean) for 26 mins
intense game
gg for flash
zyy1993 2 years ago
Is it just me or the commentary view was broken. There are times when the upgrades of the units showed up correctly but near the end, everything had 0.0 upgrades.
That was an awesome anyhow.
MOrningOrbit 2 years ago
is this the ace match?
cometcrash 2 years ago
yes
zyy1993 2 years ago
At 37:20 how much does Flash look like Commodus from Gladiator when he's watching everyone get killed in the colosseum?
Neo21803 2 years ago 6
Kwanro is fail
EPIC FAIL
redda2 2 years ago
뮤탈가면 발키리에 맞아 뒤짐
WingedCity01 2 years ago
40:07
supermonk75 2 years ago
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supermonk75 2 years ago
the number of ultras seen in this game
was OVER 9000!!
12bajs34 2 years ago
i'm wondering if a switch to mass muta around the time kwanro made the queens would have allowed him to kill enough tanks to tilt the game in his favor. probably not, but meh.
mfonti 2 years ago
@mfonti I think it would be kinda futile with 0 upgrades on those mutas, they would have to be fighting at least 2-1 gols.
OptimusNice 2 years ago
Flash should be banned from playing starcraft hahaha. he makes the game imba. jokes.. This actually reminds me of Savior. In 2005~2006, everyone says Zerg is imba thanks to him. In 2008~2009, it thanks to Jaedong.
kentran9 2 years ago
42 minutes are not bad considering Flash opened with Valkyries against 2-base-lurker.
JudeauSC 2 years ago 5
kwanro wtf? how the heck do u lose this.
LauncelotXD 2 years ago
Kwanro should have switched over to the Flash build to fight against Flash's build. Fire fire with fire right?
In seriousness, those mines were what won Flash the game.
Krnballerzzz 2 years ago
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zerg is clearly the worst race in the game at top level
StyleKrong 2 years ago
lol noob! It was flash that played terran. There's very slim chance if any to win for the zerg here. Zerg lost because he was using 200 gas units to clear out the mines which are free.
modenkid 2 years ago
vultures are free?
wasdwasdedsf 1 year ago
Spider mines are free. Make one vulture, 3 of them comes for one upgrade.
You get a good unit to fight zerglings for 75 minerals, and 3 perfect counter to Dark Swarm + Ultra for free!
What a deal.
modenkid 1 year ago
siege tanks only have 5hp, you get 145hp for free.
wasdwasdedsf 1 year ago
LOL
Did you get your retarded soul for free?
Or did you have to do an upgrade to get one for free?
modenkid 1 year ago
what? thats exactly what you said with your previous comment. I copied it and used it in context with another unit
wasdwasdedsf 1 year ago
Sorry, I can't fix your problem, though.
I guess you have reading issues, too.
I said "for one upgrade"
That's why I said you got your retarded soul for an upgrade, but obviously your retarded mind didn't get it.
Does siege tank have 5 hp and get 145 more for one upgrade?
Seems like you are just trying to get me to argue with you with some stupid reason - who knows why - and I don't care for your mental illnesses.
modenkid 1 year ago
yep, you buy a vulture. so whos saying,
no, youre not buying the mines, im giving them to you?
wasdwasdedsf 1 year ago
cheaper than a freakin zealot and no gas.... for speed + range + mines and both good early + late-game. VUlture = win
epixeltwin 1 year ago
@StyleKrong Thats why the #1 sc player in the world is zerg? SC is balanced. Get over it.
Apexplyr 2 years ago
@Apexplyr well the best argument to point how sc is balance is to show him the progress of the game this past 6 years, so that a player can realize how much the game has change. i love the era were protoss were pawning everyone and also the early age of sc where terrans were the best. nowadays is a battle to the top no matter the race, just the player the best example is what flash did in last OSL, he was like the only terran in RO8 and he won the damm thing
champignones 2 years ago
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Flash played terran last I checked. And if you're reffering to jaedong he gets stomped by airforce ace players and stork bcuz of race imbalance.
StyleKrong 2 years ago
Yeah, Jeadong fucking sucks! I mean, it's not like he's won 3 OSLs or anything...
FLABREZU 2 years ago
Kwanro actually done well but Flash is imba
lemonbone 2 years ago
so epic....
polvista 2 years ago
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The Zerg played his best (if not better than Flash this game). But what can he do when the game is imba?!?
Bulgaria10 2 years ago
Bulgaria was born retarded (it's not his fault his momma smoked crack). But what can I do to show his idiotic mind that SC is balanced?!?
LucLeFou 2 years ago
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For one you could open your eyes a little bit. Being a game nerd you lose a sight of reality and can't see the big picture. No game is perfectly balanced. And though SC is the leader it is far from perfection.
Skills are not equally distributed. At low levels one has to be very good to play Terran (one mistake and gg) in comparison to Protoss.
Protoss is the most cheasy race there is. It could deny Zerg 12 hatch, harass probes, kill building SCVs, do cannon/gate rushes giving it the edge.
Bulgaria10 2 years ago
(Part 2) In ZvP Zerg could play a whole lot of the game being unscoutable forcing Protoss to guess or play overdefencively.
Micro is a huge factor as one needs to click over 180 APM to be good. Not all of us can afford to stay all day infront of SC playing Micro Tournament.
Pathfinding sucks hard. Trapped SCVs, buggy scarabs, only perpendicular and diagonal movement.
There are units that one should not allow the opponent to have. For example: Carriers.
Bulgaria10 2 years ago
(Part 3) The direct counter to Carriers for the Terran is Goliaths and yet 4 carriers can kill Goliaths of a higher net price. This is not counter. Terran has to be on the edge and constantly limit toss to max 4 carriers, rely on counterattacks (that might not be feasable due to map restrictions).
Maps are another factor. Have you tried playing on a genuine StarCraft map. 12 zealot rush could be unstoppable.
Just for once give an argumented reply like a grown person u prick.
Bulgaria10 2 years ago
lol stop complaining you newb. STARCRAFT is balanced.
Let's play on bnet, we could set a scenario where you have the "advantage" and id still rape you ez.
ok?
LucLeFou 2 years ago
How does that help your thesis that StarCraft is balanced?
You see, you're a nerd and only care about stats and winning and not the art of the game.
Bulgaria10 2 years ago
What the hell are you talking about in these comments? You're just rambling on about random shit. What do carriers vs goliaths have to do with balance? Do games just start off with both players getting both? Shut up.
FLABREZU 2 years ago
pathetic. you started the argument, you get an argument
wasdwasdedsf 1 year ago
@LucLeFou
SC is not completely balanced, races have slight advantages against each other (~5%), and if you followed the metagame in any way, you should've realised this a long time ago.
Gaspacho79 2 years ago