I am very happy to see the vidoe The real events of the Apollo 11 Lunar Landing,from the National Geographic Channel from you, hopefully the others also are happy for You
can anyone prove we been to space because nasa are liars they say buzz aldrin one of the american astronauts was lying about seein ufos so that mean the american government and nasa are sendin delusional people into space
@james7167, no one says Aldrin was lying. He saw a "UFO"--an UNIDENTIFIED flying object. He later decided it was one of the Saturn V's adapter panels. There's nothing delusional about that. Yes, millions of people attest to having watched rockets launched from the Kennedy Space Center into space with their own eyes. You should come and watch it some time.
@kennjohnsen I CAN think, which is how I KNOW that the Moon landings were not faked. Every "clue" thay you loonies come up with has been completely debunked. On the other hand, your reply suggests that you can't even THINK of words of your own.
@kennjohnsen My thinking power is proven by my not being paranoid as you are. All your hoax "theories" have been debunked over and over. We went to the Moon. There was no reason to fake it. You are being taken in by an old Fox network tabloid show.
No, I saw the hoax long before I saw the Fox show. If you can't see the hoax, you certainly don't got thinking power. There was every reason to fake it, because they can't make it, do they got to fake it, and it will be proven.
@kennjohnsen You mean I "certainly don't HAVE thinking power". But I actually do. See, it's not only possible to get to the Moon, it's quite easy. All you need is math, money, and the desire to go. All your 'evidence" of a hoax has been debunked. It would have been harder to fake it in the 60's than to actually do it. So far you have shown no evidence whatsoever of a fake.
FYI: -with jew/zionists in control of USA, all bets are off ! NASA's just another HoloHoax-fraud swindle of gullible USA-taxpayers! NeilArmstrong "the all American boy", should be imprisoned, along with all phony astronauts, -having defrauded public into believing 'loony-landings' were real. When i discovered it was impossible for man to survive in space owing cosmic-radiation, i quit my well-paying job as a foremost Space-suit Design-engineer; -and a Jew-Phd took credit for my work..!!!
Read Dave McGowan's WAGGING THE MOON DOGGIE.....very funny and wakes up people who actually have logic and common sense. Sad how common sense is not so common anymore.
@uzimodem Yeah, & the camera was already set up before they got there? Was the cameraman Bubba the 4th expendable astronot they sent on ahead? Oh, wait, NASA wants people to believe that the camera was mounted to the LEM, even though logistically the angle is way too far for it to be from any part of the LEM or an outstretched made up arm that folded out....Funny how there are 3 remote rovers on Mars right now (allegedly) but not ONE on the Moon which is in our back yard, staring down at us?
@uzimodem The camera was not "already there".Do you really think after spending billions of dollars they couldn`t work out a way to film the first step?.There is only one angle for the first step.That is because the camera was on a spring loaded arm that Armstrong released as he was about to leave the LEM.the camera then moved into position.It`s really not that hard to work out the correct angle etc.the camera was later placed on a tripod to film other angles etc
@uzimodem Have you studied any of the real evidence,or just watched a few YT hoax vids? 1000s of experts in geology,engineering,radiology,physics,astronomy etc have studied the apollo data,film and samples.Apollo brought back 840+ pounds of rock.This has been studied endlessly.It has been compared with the small sample collected and returned by the unmaned soviet LUNA probe.The LRO probe recently took images of the landing site,they`re on YT as "ultra close up Apollo 11".
@swfcocs1 I dont waste time arguing with mentally challenged whack jobs who believe in UFOS, Bigfoot, Elvis sightings and other dumbass bullshit. Pathetic.
@uzimodem What an odd comment.Where did I mention bigfoot etc? Or are you a little irritated because you`ve got no answers for my questions regarding Apollo,so you`ve run home to mummy?
@uzimodem I took a quick look at your site.It all becomes clear.What a racist right wing Jesus freak you are.Did you ever talk to muslims instead of shooting at them? I live in an area with 1000s of UK-pakistani people.People are people the world over.Why the hate to us atheists? When do atheists ever kill in the name of atheism? It`s god botherer`s and their little storybooks who spill 99% of the blood in wars etc.
@swfcocs1 : I took a DETAILED look (unlike your "Quick" look) and it all becomes clear. Your just a left wing race baiting commie soclialist asshole. Talk to muslims? LOL well, not much talking when they are shooting AT you dumbass. People are not people all over, muslims do not regard life as we do. you are so naive, but then you dont get out much do you from you little make believe fantasy land right?pathetic.
@jerichomutant How do you hoax 800+ pounds of moon rocks studied by thousands of scientists not only at NASA but all over the planet? Moon rocks built out of crystalline structures created with almost zero water and pitted with micro craters that our best 2011 state of the art particle accelerators couldn't produce? In order to hoax and fool geologists and scientists world wide, which none dispute the rocks, it would be easier to go and get them than to try and fake them.
@jerichomutant you seem to negate the facts before you even develop an inclination to study them first. if you're so confident that nasa stage-managed the apollo missions then why don't you just develop your own 200x home telescope (or rent one), snoop around on the moon and try to see if your claims could morph into reality?
i promise this forum, if you can do the above, i'd publicly accept that i and many others had been wrong and would do whatever you tell me to.
Okay... we've just touched down in Universal Studio's and the world will never know how we got past the Van Alan belt which would have irradiated us like T.V. dinners. Just keep the grainy video going on a program that cost billions. RLMFAO!!! Houston... we are about to commit the biggest load of B.S. to that the world has never before seen into one giant leap of bullshit.
how does the replies come right away, say 1.5 to 2 secs???
Call say australia to america & see the time delay, thsts only across the world, NOT all the way to the moon, THEY NEVER WENT TO THE MOON... IT WAS ALL RECORDED ON EARTH IN A HANGAR...
@MrJzielke You are absolutely correct. The time delay should be a minimum of 2.51seconds and there is a lot of video that doesn't not have even a one second delay.
1. Type andrewlongman into your browser's address bar
2. Click first link that pops up
3. Click the Archives button on his page
4. In the Archives Search bar, type in : Earth-Moon Delay
He mathematically breaks it down.
Time Delay is the Smoking Gun, or should I say, the LACK of a time delay.
@MrJzielke The signals travelled at the speed of light,they weren`t transmitted on a phone line.Do the maths.speed of light/distance from moon to earth=slightly under 2 seconds.If NASA was capable of pulling of the biggest hoax in history,don`t you think they`d have thought of that? There is mountains of evidence for Apollo.840+ pounds of rock were returned.this has been analysed by 1000s of geologists worldwide.It has been compared to the small sample from the USSR LUNA probe.
In these forums there are no Apollo believers anymore.
All we have left is some hoax deniers trying to avoid the truth which hurts them.
Their usual and very predictable "400 thousand people"and the"why the Soviets" questions indicate only one thing.Deep inside they crying.They know these two cheap arguments(actually childish assumptions)are their strongest points! However they also know they should have some more powerful arguments.It's scientific proof they needed and they have nothing.
and even if the hoaxers come up with any "proof", they're all drooling over their pet theories of bleeding crosshairs, suspended by wires, shadows not parallel, and whatever they feel convenient to blabber along with their daily diet of expired coke and marmalade chocolate.
i feel the hoaxers have gone too far with their failed "science". it's about time the forum denies them the privilege of voicing by not diverting attention to their s**tload of trash.
from what i have seen on you tube i think america did go into space and land on the moon but i dont think it was hospitable and if any thing went wrong they had the " film set "as a back up plan, which was used ,its all propaganda in the end..............will the truth ever come out ?????
@krisdevalle ......i watch "the sky at night" on the BBC and the presenter Patrick Moore,talks like it really happened,so i was confused at one point, :)
@DeadJesus100 ive watched loads of video clips on you tube and have come to the concluesion its a hoax,and not a very good one at that.........i think it was more to do with get one over on the russians at the end of the day.....but why havent the russians landed on the moon? as they are supposed to be the first and best in theyre space exploration, thanks for ure reply :)
@brendearden05 Well, you must keep in mind that watching clips on youtube does not constitute proper research - anyone posting to YT is not subject to peer review, and may in fact be completely wrong.
I suggest you review proper scientific studies.
You make an excellent point about Russia. In the end their heavy-lift rocket design just wasn't up to scratch. This history can also be checked up on.
@brendearden05 The problem is obvious from your first sentence. You are making your judgement based on watching "loads of video clips on you tube". That is hardly a substitute for advanced scientific education. Why don't you try talking to professional astronomers, geologists and astrophysicists? The Russians have not been the "first and best" in space exploration since the early 1960s.
@DeadJesus100 Brian O'Leary retracted his statements because they were being taken out of context by conspiracy wackjobs. And please provide once single bit of proof that NASA faked the Gemini and Apollo missions. There are thousands of scientists and 820 pounds of moonrocks that refute your claims. Are you really sure NASA could fool every scientist on the planet but they can't fool you?
@DeadJesus100 you are just the biggest idiot I have ever seen in my entire life, it was not a hoax, none of what NASA does is a hoax, the more u keep thinking that, the more of an idiot you are, actually do some research on the subject and then you finally realize that it was real
@DeadJesus100 Argument from authority. The most useless position one can make.
Consider the following:
If we never went, why have the russians never spoken out? Remember there was a cold war on and they would have used any opportunity to discredit the united states. Consider also that they had 9 deep space tracking stations and could easily track the telemetry signal of the CSM.
People say the US never got to the moon. Funny how telescopes can see the remains of the landing base craft ON THE MOON. Also, the hundreds of people in mission control didn't think it was a fake.
@ntexas100 Actually that`s not correct.You`re right that Apollo went to the moon,but no telescope(even Hubble) is able to see the debris,as the largest debris is only 9m across.Telescopes are designed to see massive objects a huge distance away.The LRO and japanese JAXA moon probes recently did take pictures of the Apollo landing sites,they`re on utube as " ultra close up apollo 11" I hope this helps
@swfcocs1 I was going by what the guy told my wife and I at an observatory in Hawaii. He stated the debris is visible. I have no reason to doubt him, but why should I? Thanks for your comment though.
@swfcocs1 I was going by what the guy told my wife and I at an observatory in Hawaii. He stated the debris is visible. I have no reason to doubt him, but why should I? Thanks for your comment though.
@swfcocs1 I was going by what the guy told my wife and I at an observatory in Hawaii. He stated the debris is visible. I have no reason to doubt him, but why should I? Thanks for your comment though.
@Planetar17 Thats reverse logic.It`s conspiracy theorists who are the accusers of a crime( a "hoax") therefore,as in a court,it is for the accusers to prove guilt not for the defendants to prove their innocence.
get the fuck out of here..no way they got around the radiatin belt..and w/ all of our new gadgets why have we not been back 2 the moon recently...cause we never ever got there in the first place.. yet another lie from the goverment!!
@niksinnn How do you work that out.... check out " in the shadow of the moon"... also photos from the LRO orbiter of the landing sites.... even a small amount of research will tell you it is all for real.
'no way they got around the radiatin belt..and w/ all of our new gadgets why have we not been back 2 the moon recently'
What school can I blame for instilling such ignorance? I challange you to tell us why you hold these inane beliefs, and please provide some evidence to support your position(s).
@jerichomutant How would you expect the moon to look? It`s appearance is identical in images from manned and unmanned missions.the time delay is only 1 way. Just under 2 seconds(speed of light/distance to moon) houston replied instantly,the astronauts replied 2 seconds later when they heard it.The recording is on Earth so we have no delay.Some later versions of the footage have the delay edited out,but the original is freely available
@swfcocs1 i'd rather say that the space experts who are clever enough to fake the missions shouldn't find themselves in a precarius position of not being able to fake the time delay, esp considering that they knew the moon distance of 384,000 km. the delays occurred were short simply because the time delay is under 3s while the recording was done here on the earth and not on the moon. hoaxers avoid this point, esp one called un4g1v3n1 and egmag who think they're experts! :-|)
Proof that the NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC channel has become a source of PROPAGANDA, rather than reporting true SCIENCE....You see, they know damn well the deadly radiation in space...And yet they continue to forward this propaganda for NASA and the MINDFUCKERS of our PLANET! Keep the sheeple stupid and believing in MILLI VANILLI ASTRONUTS!
@un4g1v3n1 It must be amazing to be more knowledgable than us mere "sheep".To be more knowledgable on radiation than 1000s of experts worldwide.Than 1000s of geology experts who`ve studied the moon samples.Than 1000s of astronomy experts who`ve studied the Apollo data.Than 1000s of enginnering experts who`ve studied the saturn 5 and the LEM.than 1000s of experts at the various space agencies worldwide,many unfriendly to the US,who regard Apollo as genuine.It must be amazing!
1 air force ex employee = thousands of nasa conners. it's amazing to know how not only thousands of nasa employees but also millions of other-country population could be fooled into believing the apollo as a hoax!
the newest hi-res lro images beamed back show up exactly the apollo rendezvous 40 years back. even the rover tracks and bootprints. i'll go by the facts and try learning more instead of crying "hoax".
@zambi007i Conspiracy theorists like the feeling that they are party to "secret" knowledge unknown to us simple "sheep".It`s intellectual fascism of the worst kind.All evidence that disproves their case is "fake".All scientists,teachers and politicians are "in on it",in fact anyone who doesn`t share their inane worldview is a "sheeple" etc.This fascism explains why many slip so easily into infantile abuse,often of a racist,anti-semitic,misogynistic or homophobic nature.Strange crowd indeed!
well, i don't blame them, at least entirely. they are quick to cry "hoax" if they spot a rover track missing or flag oscillating in vacuum. that might be ignorance playing on them. it'd definitely do them much good if they choose to study the facts first and form an honest opinion based on what they learn. afap, they have to be educated.
@zambi007i I get the point,but they`re adults and should take responsibilty for their views,however inane! It`s a similar mindset to extreme religious views,there`s the same smug superiority,contempt for all differing views and dogmatism.Regarding education,many regard all education and educators as part of the conspiracy.they constantly claim that they do "research",yet are always vague as to what that involves. It seems to be the dismissal of factsand the instant acceptance of hoax vid "facts"
well, nasa can still do it now. the point is, so much has been understood that there's nothing left to explore except, maybe, set up manned outposts, if that can be done permanently. do you know why do adventurers here on the earth don't try to explore the sahara or the gobi? because of the same reasons.
@EGMAG What makes you think Apollo was "easy"? It cost a huge amount,3 astronauts died.Space travel is still a hugely expensive and risky venture.NASa took risks unacceptable today.Given the cost,any return to the moon will be part of a wider strategy(eg on the way to mars).The LRO and Japanese JAXA moon probes recently took images of the Apollo landing sites.They`re available online under "Apollo 11 ultra close up "
Easy in the sense of the backwards technology of the 60's.
Today's 43 year advanced tech is far and well beyond the sixties; and no one, I repeat not one entity around the world is even or has been the least bit interested in repeating the unimaginably great scientific moonlanding. Ha!
@EGMAG If Apollo was fake,why didn`t the USSR expose the hoax? It`d have been a huge PR win in the cold war for the soviets and a massive blow to the US.Is it feasible that the USSR simply allowed their hated enemies to claim the glory of a moon landing they knew to be "fake"? the USSR had the means and motive to expose Apollo as fake.Why didn`t they?
Do you think Russia did all that they claimed in space too. Holy shit what a fucked up bunch of governments we have! No wonder history is filled with genocides atrocities wars and hatred throughout the world. We are led by many charlatans and greedy power and money hungry liars!
@EGMAG So what space travel is "fake"? when the USSR collapsed their most secret files were revealed.I studied files classed "above top secret" personally for my thesis on the Spanish civil war.No evidence whatsoever emerged of a global conspiracy,in the space race or any other field.I`d agree about the "money hungry liars" part,many poliicians become tainted by power and/or money.There is ,however,simply no evidence of a global conspiracy around Apollo or anything else!
@swfcocs1 This supposition is based on presumed assumptions that the USSR had to ability to 'track' the missions. It is HIGHLY doubtful they had the technology at that time to track the Apollonots to the Moon, however, they were not going to admit that "Da, we huv beeeen out smartid by da Amereeecans". Also, we don't know what the Russians were thinking at the time seeing as no one really got the Moscow Times on their front porch in NY in the early 70's. Finally, the US gov't......
@jerichomutant On 8 July 1972, the US government announced the sale of about one quarter of the entire crop of wheat to the USSR at a fixed price of $1.63 per bushel. The market price at the time of the announcement was $1.50 but immediately soared to a new high of $2.44 a bushel.That's how the USA bought the silence of the USSR on the Moon programme.
Since 1967, the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee has helped the USA while impeding the Soviet Moon programme by all means.
@jerichomutant ...The Proton rocket failure in September 1967 was a result of a diversion.The N-1 rocket failure in June 1969 was a result of in internal engine explosion caused by a foreign metallic object. In 1970, the USSR and the USA secretly agreed to hide from the public some circumstances of the latter's Moon programme. In 1974, the Politburo ordered the destruction of 3 ready-to-fly N-1 rockets. (The USA and Japan's NASDA bought and licensed their NK-33 engines a couple
@jerichomutant ..... of decades later,and NASA will use them, marketed by GenCorp Aerojet as AJ26, in the Orbital Sciences Taurus II expendable launch system.)
Since 1976, no Soviet space robot has flown to the Moon—the Politburo stopped their flights to prevent an Apollo hoax disclosure. And the 1980s Politburo led the USSR to a break-up. As a result, the Russian leadership cancelled the Energia rocket in 1993. All these actions were in favour of the USA.
@jerichomutant ...Oh --the Russians probably couldn't 'TRACK' anything until 1972, and shortly thereafter all *faked* Missions to the Moon went bye-bye. Along with all the mystical 1960/1970's NASA technology. You would think they would have kept some of it as souvenirs or something. The problem with the logic of your initial question, is that you still live in a world of Black and White where it is the Goodies Vs. the Baddies.
@jerichomutant If this ludricous theory is correct,why didn`t they ever expose the "hoax" when grain supplies were stopped or during other times of international tension,such as the USSR war in Afghanistan? Why hasn`t a single file about any of this,not one, emerged since the soviet archives were opened? Other soviet activities emerged,such as the Katyn massacres.The USSR ,like most totalitarian states,kept meticolous records of their activities,did they "forget" to record the Apollo "hoax"?
@swfcocs1 Read 1984. The US and USSR are still working together in the joint space program, along with India et al. Politics isn't black and white, cowboys and indians.
@jerichomutant Read 1984? I did a college thesis on George Orwell and if you`re interptreting 1984,or animal farm,to fit a conspiracy theorist agenda I suggest you read up on the man who wrote them.He was referring to actual totallitarian societies,especially Stalins Russia,where your beliefs got you shot.I suggest you read "homage to Catalonia",his diary of his experiences fighting in the POUM against fascism in the Spanish civil war.That was fighting,and dying,against real fascist tyranny
@jerichomutant if the ussr didn't have the tech to track spacecrafts, then they sure possibly couldn't track one of their own! i'd say even japan had mastered satellite tracking after hiroshima.
you're sounding exactly like "if today's technology can give us tft lcds, amoleds, hologram displays &c, then why don't they manufacture crts and valve tubes and serve us b&w b***s**t."
please excuse me for using a swear word here but i've no intention to abuse anyone. all i say is we do have the cutting edge tech of the "future", but it'd look only foolish to try to create something at a much higher cost of what has already been done, woould it not?
@EGMAG i didn't probably say it in simple terms. i said it'd be redundant in terms of finance, economy and technology to try to go back to the moon for a day or two, then come back with the same old rocks of 70s and then show the evidence once more to state before the world that the usa indeed went there.
the world is looking forward to a more or less a permanent base on the moon with human stays of more than a month and you talk satire. in fact, your post is paradoxical!
The whole plan in the first place was elimination of the ozone layer, EMF, &Van Allen Belts with nuclear weapons to space tunnel to the moon, and other test experimentation nuke nations followed suit. Look what is happening to earth today from these past mistakes! The atmosphere is dwindling from the domino effect of those sub-atomic radioactive particles dissipating our protective layers. The moon was to be a safe launch area to other planets. Equals moon-hoax! Earth is in trouble!
The whole plan in the first place was elimination of the ozone layer, EMF, &Van Allen Belts with nuclear weapons to space tunnel to the moon, and other test experimentation nuke nations followed suit. Look what is happening to earth today from these past mistakes! The atmosphere is dwindling from the domino effect of those sub-atomic radioactive particles dissipating our protective layers. The moon was to be a safe launch area to other planets. Equals moon-hoax! Earth is in trouble!
@EGMAG keeping our mutual unpleasantries aside, i really did find your comment intelligible. yes, you're correct in saying that the so-called 'scientists' have not only destroyed the earth but are also making it irreparable to a great extent. leaving this aside, we've to acknowledge the great strides science and scientists have made in the recent past. advancements in many fields have not just opened up new vistas but have also helped mankind in many ways. (contd..)
@EGMAG and yes, mars is quite a few centuries, if not decades, far off. three or four days of space travel may be possible but who knows more than a month of space exposure might spring up what kinds of unexpected issues!
vab blasting was a mistake but it was not done to provide a tunnel. only a foolish scientist would think like that. any "hole" in vab would immediate "fill" up with radiation from the sun. the tests studied how long the radiation levels would take to level down to normal.
Interesting reply. I did not get it in my inbox. ?. Remember almost 4000 nuclear tests in the past 55 years, were run worldwide by all concerned nations which added to ozone delition & global warming; not underarm aerosols like governmentS want us to think. Religious scammers keep "SUGGESTING" the end days and apocalyspes so often it is enough to cause WW 3 it for sure. Nations need to call truces, forget nuclear bombings, & begin a new age of sober solutions to the world problems.
@EGMAG now that's changed the wavelength. of course, what you've said is true of this world. however, we're still a part of it as long as we continue using all or some of its resources. you go and buy gas for your car out of your need. but the gov wants you the middle-class to spend money like hell so that some day the class might get extinct. osho had said that we don't need nations at all. all this world needs is love, to be one big worldly family. however, i doubt that will happen!
@EGMAG now that's changed the wavelength. of course, what you've said is true of this world. however, we're still a part of it as long as we continue using all or some of its resources. you go and buy gas for your car out of your need. but the gov wants you the middle-class to spend money like h*ll so that some day the class might get extinct. osho had said that we don't need nations at all. all this world needs is love, to be one big worldly family. however, i doubt that will happen!
@EGMAG imagine reinventing vacuum tubes and crt television sets and eagerly wait for b&w sh*t to be aired so you can safely say - man did invent vacuum tubes and crts. there's no way that was a hoax. so is your thinking. well, it's up to the newer nations like china and india to take the bold initiative. we've to wait and see the conclusions.
@EGMAG that's your viewpoint. it won't change the world's view (about 3 billion people - adults) believing with evidence. you can't change that, can you?
@EGMAG you know what you're probably among the last of the 7 bil. you need to wake up and see that 7 billion people consist of men, women, old people, children, infants etc. the 3 billion i mentioned is the adult population (men & women) who can understand the apollo missions video and say at least something about "your anomalies" and "inconsistencies".
this shows you deliberately choose to ignore all the related facts before commenting.
@EGMAG PROOF PROOF PROOF, not more incompetent wild eyed speculation.
I'll give you proof that we DID land on the Moon. " FOOTPRINTS" ! go look at the latest LROC images and explain how that movie studio got on the Moon, lmfao.
the final nail in the flat earth society's coffin = FOOTPRINTS at all 6 landing sites. face the truth and recant.
Forget it. Eggmagg is one of these Twoofers thinking he is smarter than all those scientists and engineers that acknowledged the Moon landings for decades. He's some kind of René. Or worse...
@EGMAG and for the forum's info, mars has already been conquered, albeit unmanned. though a manned exploration of mars is quite a few centuries into the future, still the mars rovers are definitely a 'small step' toward achieving this goal.
These forums appear to be programmed with answers and not from real live people. Often the replies are repetitive and redundant, as if a robot computer makes them up, and even lies most of the time.
i wouldn't say that. i don't think i'm a robot. and i don't think you're either! a web bot might answer using a standard rule but that'd immediately seem to be so. take eg us. we didn't start on a good note but now here we are, discussing and arguing as civilized humans. that's the essence of a forum. place one's side and hear the other's. it does make a good conversation.
i don't post in haste like you. i've read quite a lot to challenge you or any hoaxer to a sane discussion. it's only when you hoaxers avoid facing questions directly that truth believers like me get posts like yours.
my friend, in all seriusness, laughing off matters won't get anyone anywhere near the truth. it's only when you try comprehending the facts with an open mind that you'll come to know the truth.
btw, it's pretty useless of me trying to convince you. it's your choice!
The landing sites pictures were not proved as legitimate. America never let the risks outweigh the rewards so unacceptable and risky is baloney. You can forget Mars. Unless they find a way to overcome all the dangerous barriers to the moon they'll never get there!
In fact the moon-stage for the alleged landings is so sloppy and full of telltale clues as to its non-authenticity it isn't even funny!
@EGMAGIs it feasible that NASA,an agency capable of pulling off the biggest "hoax" in history,would release footage full of the "errors" that hoaxsters claim are present?.Do you know what a continuity editor does on a film set? Wouldn`t NASA have used some to check the film? All the"telltale" clues have been refuted countless times.James Van Allen went on record repeatedly to refute the hoax theory that the VA belts were deadly to Apollo.Were NASA genius plotters and incompetents simultaneously?
Oh because its a great thing to be in the army isn't it? It sure helps develop the future and spirit of humanity to go into the army and kill people for the sake of politics. Really, you are spouting on about how its all fraud and they did nothing great for their country, and you are running off to be nothing more than a mere tool of crooked politics which are well known to be full of lies and deceit? Where were those WMD's again? Oh no it was a mispell, they meant oil fields right?
12 mins to land something they never did once on earth, arent these guys lucky bastards ... then down to less than 30 seconds, wow the tension LMFAO ...
@pt1gard Exactly. NASA in the year 2011 can not launch a rocket, land that rocket, then relaunch that rocket..........but they supposidly performed much more intricate maneuvers in 1969???? With the Atari joystick controls? HAHAHAHA.
If Armstrong, and all the other APOLLONOTS had the REAL COURAGE, and RIGHT STUFF, they would have served the US in the VIET NAM war, instead of participating in FAKE SPACE MISSIONS, and becoming MILLI VANILLI heroes!
They are cowards, liars, thieves, and traitors. And those who hero-worship them are the most idiotic, unlearned, morons on the entire planet!
This is why they are so desperately defended by disinfo spewing trolls, such as can be seen by the morons spewing their poison here.
@un4g1v3n1 Do some research,Aldrin was a decorated fighter pilot.The irony of being called "unlearned" by someone who takes utube vids on face value whilst ignoring the expert opinion of 1000s of experts is astounding! What evidence do you study before reaching a conclusion about a particular subject?
@hunchbacked You could start at jodrell bank telescope in Manchester England,they have a library of academic papers,many on Apollo.the Natural history museum in London has a whole section on Monnrocks written by geology experts.The space agencies worldwide(many unfriendly to the US) have information facilities or libraries containing similar material.There are 100s of universities worldwide with geology and/or astronomy depts.All contain viewable material.Is that enough?
@un4g1v3n1 MOst of the AstroNOTs were Free Masons or should I say, Moon Masons. Buzzard All-Grin even brought his 33rd Degree Free Mason flag to the moon where it probably waved in the wind like the starchy stars and stripes. Now, let's think about this???? Why would being a Free Mason, a member of a SECRET society, known for keeping SECRETS, dramatically increase one's likely-hood of participating in a FAKE MOON trip where the NASA NAZI's would want you to stay Hush-Hush about the HOAX?
And as a final aside. The apollo astronots, and those few in NASA who were aware of the fraud they perpetuated on the minds of the citizens of the world. The money the stole from American taxpayers, was just one of the crimes they committed. The other, and most important, was the fact they committed treason against their country, and citizenry. They all should be tried, and hung like the traitors they are! And those who continue to defend this lie, should be hung with the same ropes!
Now, as for the continued attacks by PAN's and useless trolls on myself, and other Apollo truthers...Their words provide all the proof of their REAL intentions. First off, I could give a shit less what they think, write, or blather on about. I, as you, know what I am, and who I serve. I rose my hand in an oath to it. It's for the freedoms those in America are suppose to have been afforded by it's Constitution. That includes the freedom these trolls enjoy as they shit all over the TRUTH!
I spent ten years investigating every angle of the Apollo fraud, mostly the REAL ENVIRONMENT of space, within and beyond the protective cocoon which keeps us all alive on this blue jewel of the MILKY WAY. Anyone who invests even an IOTA of time, learning about SPACE and the many types of deadly radiation, and other dangers, will quickly see Apollo as the financial heist, and propaganda tool it served as. And those who continue to try and defend Apollo have no interest in truth, or are TROLLS!
For the unfortunate viewer who ends up reading the moronic troll blatherings coming from the PAN morons who infect every Apollo related video with their text-book, troll flaming, be sure of one thing. None of these PAN's have an iota of interest in discussing truth. Otherwise they would watch a few SCIENCE programs about space, and HEAR the astro/solar physicists telling them how we are alive due to our magnetosphere, and that the radiation in space beyond is DEADLY! But they HATE truth!
I CHALLENGE ANY PRO-APOLLO NUTTER TO GO TO THE NGDC, view the MAJOR SOLAR FLARES recorded by NOAA during Apollo mission dates, and explain to the Apollo Fairy Tale believers how test pilots in tin cans could possibly survive events flooding their tin can, or hitting them directly while 'supposedly' bouncing around, singing on the moon, with 250 to 1000's of REM's per hour? 500 REM's and you are DEAD!
Go back to sleep PAN's, and keep dreaming your APOLLO FAIRY TALES!
@un4g1v3n1 James Van Allen himself went on record repeatedly to refute the hoax theory that the VA belts would be deadly to Apollo.The evidence is available online at the clavius site.Scientific papers written by experts in radiation have been written about Apollo at universities all over the world.papers have also been written by experts in geology,engineering,physics,maths and astronomy.The Apollo data,footage and samples are studied to this day.Are all these people "asleep"?
@un4g1v3n1 Sourceless? The Van Allen evidence is on the Clavius website.Papers written on Apollo are available to study from Jodrell bank telescope in Manchester,UK.You failed to answer my question-Are these people all "asleep"? Speaking of a lack of originality,I can`t believe anyone is still using the weakest link as a "comedy" put down.That is truly unoriginal.What is the challenge? I would be genuinely interested in answering your challenge.
Why all the name calling? Why can't you talk to people, they are not your enemy because they do not beleive the same things as you. ' propagandist pan trolls' ? Oh for gods sake what is that meant to mean?
Why won't you people ever stick around and argue your case?
@swfcocs1 I'm sure this was after he got a visit from the NASA NAZI henchmen who like to drive trains into people and their families and cut off people's fingers..........Did you know that Neil Armstrong lost his ring finger in a 'farming accident'??? Geez, not to
which is real, they landed or never landed?
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NASACrooks 1 month ago
poop
606JC 1 month ago
nasa just wanted to win soviet!
Clevercutechick 2 months ago
can anyone prove we been to space because nasa are liars they say buzz aldrin one of the american astronauts was lying about seein ufos so that mean the american government and nasa are sendin delusional people into space
james7167 3 months ago
@james7167, no one says Aldrin was lying. He saw a "UFO"--an UNIDENTIFIED flying object. He later decided it was one of the Saturn V's adapter panels. There's nothing delusional about that. Yes, millions of people attest to having watched rockets launched from the Kennedy Space Center into space with their own eyes. You should come and watch it some time.
LunarTuner 2 months ago
@james7167 Can you prove you have been to school? Your post suggests otherwise.
Mozart1220 1 month ago
@Mozart1220
Can you prove you can think, your post suggest not.
kennjohnsen 1 month ago
@kennjohnsen I CAN think, which is how I KNOW that the Moon landings were not faked. Every "clue" thay you loonies come up with has been completely debunked. On the other hand, your reply suggests that you can't even THINK of words of your own.
Mozart1220 1 month ago
@Mozart1220
Can you prove your thinking power, I don't think so, Your believe in the obvious Moon Hoax proves you are a low thinking ordinary.
kennjohnsen 1 month ago
@kennjohnsen My thinking power is proven by my not being paranoid as you are. All your hoax "theories" have been debunked over and over. We went to the Moon. There was no reason to fake it. You are being taken in by an old Fox network tabloid show.
Mozart1220 1 month ago
@Mozart1220
No, I saw the hoax long before I saw the Fox show. If you can't see the hoax, you certainly don't got thinking power. There was every reason to fake it, because they can't make it, do they got to fake it, and it will be proven.
kennjohnsen 1 month ago
@kennjohnsen You mean I "certainly don't HAVE thinking power". But I actually do. See, it's not only possible to get to the Moon, it's quite easy. All you need is math, money, and the desire to go. All your 'evidence" of a hoax has been debunked. It would have been harder to fake it in the 60's than to actually do it. So far you have shown no evidence whatsoever of a fake.
Mozart1220 1 month ago
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FYI: -with jew/zionists in control of USA, all bets are off ! NASA's just another HoloHoax-fraud swindle of gullible USA-taxpayers! NeilArmstrong "the all American boy", should be imprisoned, along with all phony astronauts, -having defrauded public into believing 'loony-landings' were real. When i discovered it was impossible for man to survive in space owing cosmic-radiation, i quit my well-paying job as a foremost Space-suit Design-engineer; -and a Jew-Phd took credit for my work..!!!
AryanKnight 4 months ago
ahhhh I wanna go to the moon!!
AroundSun 4 months ago
4:54 Aldrin: "Lights come on, indicating that you have 60 sec of fuel, THATS NOT, a whole LOT, and a 100 feet" .....
Westham4everUKshine 5 months ago
@MrAviator96 to hell if I know. the retard who made the comment put it in. might want to ask that dumbass.
uzimodem 5 months ago
Heythegigis up has a great channel
/watch?v=SeQ46eqgypM&feature=related Shows how they faked it with fake plaster of paris moon balls etc.
jerichomutant 5 months ago
Read Dave McGowan's WAGGING THE MOON DOGGIE.....very funny and wakes up people who actually have logic and common sense. Sad how common sense is not so common anymore.
jerichomutant 5 months ago
@jerichomutant ... moondoggie is great stuff, Im writing a book on the BS ... you know the truth, spread the word on nasa hoax
pt1gard 5 months ago
@pt1gard Dave McGowan is a fantastic writer and manages to shake one's senses back to reality with common sense and logic.
jerichomutant 5 months ago
@uzimodem Yeah, & the camera was already set up before they got there? Was the cameraman Bubba the 4th expendable astronot they sent on ahead? Oh, wait, NASA wants people to believe that the camera was mounted to the LEM, even though logistically the angle is way too far for it to be from any part of the LEM or an outstretched made up arm that folded out....Funny how there are 3 remote rovers on Mars right now (allegedly) but not ONE on the Moon which is in our back yard, staring down at us?
jerichomutant 5 months ago
@jerichomutant :the camera was already there? wow, whack job alert! pathetic.
uzimodem 5 months ago
@uzimodem The camera was not "already there".Do you really think after spending billions of dollars they couldn`t work out a way to film the first step?.There is only one angle for the first step.That is because the camera was on a spring loaded arm that Armstrong released as he was about to leave the LEM.the camera then moved into position.It`s really not that hard to work out the correct angle etc.the camera was later placed on a tripod to film other angles etc
swfcocs1 5 months ago
@uzimodem Have you studied any of the real evidence,or just watched a few YT hoax vids? 1000s of experts in geology,engineering,radiology,physics,astronomy etc have studied the apollo data,film and samples.Apollo brought back 840+ pounds of rock.This has been studied endlessly.It has been compared with the small sample collected and returned by the unmaned soviet LUNA probe.The LRO probe recently took images of the landing site,they`re on YT as "ultra close up Apollo 11".
swfcocs1 5 months ago
@swfcocs1 I dont waste time arguing with mentally challenged whack jobs who believe in UFOS, Bigfoot, Elvis sightings and other dumbass bullshit. Pathetic.
uzimodem 5 months ago
@uzimodem What an odd comment.Where did I mention bigfoot etc? Or are you a little irritated because you`ve got no answers for my questions regarding Apollo,so you`ve run home to mummy?
swfcocs1 5 months ago
@uzimodem I took a quick look at your site.It all becomes clear.What a racist right wing Jesus freak you are.Did you ever talk to muslims instead of shooting at them? I live in an area with 1000s of UK-pakistani people.People are people the world over.Why the hate to us atheists? When do atheists ever kill in the name of atheism? It`s god botherer`s and their little storybooks who spill 99% of the blood in wars etc.
swfcocs1 5 months ago
@swfcocs1 : I took a DETAILED look (unlike your "Quick" look) and it all becomes clear. Your just a left wing race baiting commie soclialist asshole. Talk to muslims? LOL well, not much talking when they are shooting AT you dumbass. People are not people all over, muslims do not regard life as we do. you are so naive, but then you dont get out much do you from you little make believe fantasy land right?pathetic.
uzimodem 5 months ago
@jerichomutant How do you hoax 800+ pounds of moon rocks studied by thousands of scientists not only at NASA but all over the planet? Moon rocks built out of crystalline structures created with almost zero water and pitted with micro craters that our best 2011 state of the art particle accelerators couldn't produce? In order to hoax and fool geologists and scientists world wide, which none dispute the rocks, it would be easier to go and get them than to try and fake them.
TheWonderDoc 4 months ago
@jerichomutant you seem to negate the facts before you even develop an inclination to study them first. if you're so confident that nasa stage-managed the apollo missions then why don't you just develop your own 200x home telescope (or rent one), snoop around on the moon and try to see if your claims could morph into reality?
i promise this forum, if you can do the above, i'd publicly accept that i and many others had been wrong and would do whatever you tell me to.
zambi007i 4 months ago 2
Okay... we've just touched down in Universal Studio's and the world will never know how we got past the Van Alan belt which would have irradiated us like T.V. dinners. Just keep the grainy video going on a program that cost billions. RLMFAO!!! Houston... we are about to commit the biggest load of B.S. to that the world has never before seen into one giant leap of bullshit.
Mycterizian 5 months ago
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Mycterizian 5 months ago
how does the replies come right away, say 1.5 to 2 secs???
Call say australia to america & see the time delay, thsts only across the world, NOT all the way to the moon, THEY NEVER WENT TO THE MOON... IT WAS ALL RECORDED ON EARTH IN A HANGAR...
MrJzielke 5 months ago
@MrJzielke You are absolutely correct. The time delay should be a minimum of 2.51seconds and there is a lot of video that doesn't not have even a one second delay.
1. Type andrewlongman into your browser's address bar
2. Click first link that pops up
3. Click the Archives button on his page
4. In the Archives Search bar, type in : Earth-Moon Delay
He mathematically breaks it down.
Time Delay is the Smoking Gun, or should I say, the LACK of a time delay.
jerichomutant 5 months ago
@MrJzielke The signals travelled at the speed of light,they weren`t transmitted on a phone line.Do the maths.speed of light/distance from moon to earth=slightly under 2 seconds.If NASA was capable of pulling of the biggest hoax in history,don`t you think they`d have thought of that? There is mountains of evidence for Apollo.840+ pounds of rock were returned.this has been analysed by 1000s of geologists worldwide.It has been compared to the small sample from the USSR LUNA probe.
swfcocs1 5 months ago
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FUCK NAZI NASA
DeadJesus100 5 months ago
The TOY LEM
made of gold tin foil
never left Planet Earth
DeadJesus100 6 months ago
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In these forums there are no Apollo believers anymore.
All we have left is some hoax deniers trying to avoid the truth which hurts them.
Their usual and very predictable "400 thousand people"and the"why the Soviets" questions indicate only one thing.Deep inside they crying.They know these two cheap arguments(actually childish assumptions)are their strongest points! However they also know they should have some more powerful arguments.It's scientific proof they needed and they have nothing.
potrodsas 6 months ago
@potrodsas
and even if the hoaxers come up with any "proof", they're all drooling over their pet theories of bleeding crosshairs, suspended by wires, shadows not parallel, and whatever they feel convenient to blabber along with their daily diet of expired coke and marmalade chocolate.
i feel the hoaxers have gone too far with their failed "science". it's about time the forum denies them the privilege of voicing by not diverting attention to their s**tload of trash.
zambi007i 4 months ago
from what i have seen on you tube i think america did go into space and land on the moon but i dont think it was hospitable and if any thing went wrong they had the " film set "as a back up plan, which was used ,its all propaganda in the end..............will the truth ever come out ?????
brendearden05 6 months ago
@brendearden05 How hard is it for you to accept that the truth already came out, and that the Apollo moon landings happened as stated?
krisdevalle 6 months ago
@krisdevalle ......i watch "the sky at night" on the BBC and the presenter Patrick Moore,talks like it really happened,so i was confused at one point, :)
brendearden05 6 months ago
@brendearden05 Apollo Hoax 100%
No astronaut has ever been further than 350 miles from earth
including 2011
Why do you think the ISS is 220 miles from earth?
DeadJesus100 6 months ago
@DeadJesus100 ive watched loads of video clips on you tube and have come to the concluesion its a hoax,and not a very good one at that.........i think it was more to do with get one over on the russians at the end of the day.....but why havent the russians landed on the moon? as they are supposed to be the first and best in theyre space exploration, thanks for ure reply :)
brendearden05 6 months ago
@brendearden05 Well, you must keep in mind that watching clips on youtube does not constitute proper research - anyone posting to YT is not subject to peer review, and may in fact be completely wrong.
I suggest you review proper scientific studies.
You make an excellent point about Russia. In the end their heavy-lift rocket design just wasn't up to scratch. This history can also be checked up on.
krisdevalle 6 months ago 4
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@krisdevalle the mentally retarded propaganda troll
All the Fake moon videos on Youtube come from Nasa fuckhead.
I suggest you drown yourself
DeadJesus100 6 months ago
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@brendearden05 yes exactly
The russians have never said they have been further than 350 miles into space
and the USSR were so far more advanced than Nasa until 1966
when Nasa started faking the gemini missions then the apollo missions
The reason for the Apollo Moon Hoax is the US NWO Government stole
$70Billion from the US taxpayers and helped to finance the veitnam war
DeadJesus100 6 months ago
@brendearden05 The problem is obvious from your first sentence. You are making your judgement based on watching "loads of video clips on you tube". That is hardly a substitute for advanced scientific education. Why don't you try talking to professional astronomers, geologists and astrophysicists? The Russians have not been the "first and best" in space exploration since the early 1960s.
TheFACTSRUS 6 months ago
@TheFACTSRUS the Fuckhead
This apollo hoaxturd has brain damage. The sicko gives himself 2 thumbs up everytime he posts
his retarded comments
Nasa scientist and astronaut Brian Oleary said Nasa could have Faked IT
The USSR were way ahead of the US until 1965 when nasa started faking the Gemini missions
Any halfwit can google that expect you dumb scum
DeadJesus100 6 months ago
@DeadJesus100 Brian O'Leary retracted his statements because they were being taken out of context by conspiracy wackjobs. And please provide once single bit of proof that NASA faked the Gemini and Apollo missions. There are thousands of scientists and 820 pounds of moonrocks that refute your claims. Are you really sure NASA could fool every scientist on the planet but they can't fool you?
smogmontser 6 months ago
@smogmontser you are a fucking LIAR
This is Brian Olearys emails in the last few years
BRIAN OLEARY THE NASA SCIENTIST AND ASTRONAUT
WHO WORKED ON THE FAKE APOLLO PROGRAMME
"Look i didn't go to the moon. Some of my collegues probably did.
Much of what Nasa does is also hoaxed"
"i knew the astronauts and thought they wouldn't lie
even if there was a conspiracy"
DeadJesus100 6 months ago
@DeadJesus100 you are just the biggest idiot I have ever seen in my entire life, it was not a hoax, none of what NASA does is a hoax, the more u keep thinking that, the more of an idiot you are, actually do some research on the subject and then you finally realize that it was real
Harrywwebeltman 6 months ago
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@Harrywwebeltman you are a brainwashed retard boy
Tell us why did armstrong the faker say he never saw stars in cislunar space?
Lol you kids are just hillybilly flagfuckers
TV is God
Believe whatever shit your criminal government puts on the TV set
DeadJesus100 6 months ago
@DeadJesus100 Argument from authority. The most useless position one can make.
Consider the following:
If we never went, why have the russians never spoken out? Remember there was a cold war on and they would have used any opportunity to discredit the united states. Consider also that they had 9 deep space tracking stations and could easily track the telemetry signal of the CSM.
danschaoticmind 5 months ago
@danschaoticmind lol thats the only excuse you apollo dumb trolls have
Why would the USSR pretend to track the fake apollo missions
if the US were their arch enemies dumbfuck?
The USS were paid $Billions to say that
DeadJesus100 5 months ago
People say the US never got to the moon. Funny how telescopes can see the remains of the landing base craft ON THE MOON. Also, the hundreds of people in mission control didn't think it was a fake.
ntexas100 6 months ago
@ntexas100 Actually that`s not correct.You`re right that Apollo went to the moon,but no telescope(even Hubble) is able to see the debris,as the largest debris is only 9m across.Telescopes are designed to see massive objects a huge distance away.The LRO and japanese JAXA moon probes recently did take pictures of the Apollo landing sites,they`re on utube as " ultra close up apollo 11" I hope this helps
swfcocs1 6 months ago 6
@swfcocs1 I was going by what the guy told my wife and I at an observatory in Hawaii. He stated the debris is visible. I have no reason to doubt him, but why should I? Thanks for your comment though.
ntexas100 6 months ago
@swfcocs1 I was going by what the guy told my wife and I at an observatory in Hawaii. He stated the debris is visible. I have no reason to doubt him, but why should I? Thanks for your comment though.
ntexas100 6 months ago
@ntexas100 that guy is a LIAR
DeadJesus100 6 months ago
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@swfcocs1 I was going by what the guy told my wife and I at an observatory in Hawaii. He stated the debris is visible. I have no reason to doubt him, but why should I? Thanks for your comment though.
ntexas100 6 months ago
People say the US never got to the moon. Funny how telescopes can see the remains of the landing base craft ON THE MOON.
ntexas100 6 months ago
@Monkeyboysdontknow Why don't you supply evidence to support yours? As the accusers, the burden of proof is on you.
Planetar17 6 months ago in playlist Apollo Landings Truth
@Planetar17 Thats reverse logic.It`s conspiracy theorists who are the accusers of a crime( a "hoax") therefore,as in a court,it is for the accusers to prove guilt not for the defendants to prove their innocence.
swfcocs1 6 months ago
get the fuck out of here..no way they got around the radiatin belt..and w/ all of our new gadgets why have we not been back 2 the moon recently...cause we never ever got there in the first place.. yet another lie from the goverment!!
niksinnn 7 months ago
@niksinnn How do you work that out.... check out " in the shadow of the moon"... also photos from the LRO orbiter of the landing sites.... even a small amount of research will tell you it is all for real.
nhtc1 7 months ago 2
@niksinnn
'no way they got around the radiatin belt..and w/ all of our new gadgets why have we not been back 2 the moon recently'
What school can I blame for instilling such ignorance? I challange you to tell us why you hold these inane beliefs, and please provide some evidence to support your position(s).
Monkeyboysdontknow 7 months ago 2
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Synthetrix 6 months ago
Hysterical looking plaster of paris MOON
No time delay = FAKE
jerichomutant 7 months ago
@jerichomutant How would you expect the moon to look? It`s appearance is identical in images from manned and unmanned missions.the time delay is only 1 way. Just under 2 seconds(speed of light/distance to moon) houston replied instantly,the astronauts replied 2 seconds later when they heard it.The recording is on Earth so we have no delay.Some later versions of the footage have the delay edited out,but the original is freely available
swfcocs1 7 months ago 8
@swfcocs1 i'd rather say that the space experts who are clever enough to fake the missions shouldn't find themselves in a precarius position of not being able to fake the time delay, esp considering that they knew the moon distance of 384,000 km. the delays occurred were short simply because the time delay is under 3s while the recording was done here on the earth and not on the moon. hoaxers avoid this point, esp one called un4g1v3n1 and egmag who think they're experts! :-|)
zambi007i 4 months ago
Apollo 11, The True Story of the FAKE Lunar Landing
Toy LEM made of gold tin foil
with a calculator as a computer
Fake It LIke NASA
DeadJesus100 7 months ago
Google... Resonance in the Van Allen Plasma Belt
Proof that the NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC channel has become a source of PROPAGANDA, rather than reporting true SCIENCE....You see, they know damn well the deadly radiation in space...And yet they continue to forward this propaganda for NASA and the MINDFUCKERS of our PLANET! Keep the sheeple stupid and believing in MILLI VANILLI ASTRONUTS!
un4g1v3n1 7 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 It must be amazing to be more knowledgable than us mere "sheep".To be more knowledgable on radiation than 1000s of experts worldwide.Than 1000s of geology experts who`ve studied the moon samples.Than 1000s of astronomy experts who`ve studied the Apollo data.Than 1000s of enginnering experts who`ve studied the saturn 5 and the LEM.than 1000s of experts at the various space agencies worldwide,many unfriendly to the US,who regard Apollo as genuine.It must be amazing!
swfcocs1 7 months ago
@swfcocs1 @un4g1v3n1 (more knowledgable)
yes!
1 air force ex employee = thousands of nasa conners. it's amazing to know how not only thousands of nasa employees but also millions of other-country population could be fooled into believing the apollo as a hoax!
the newest hi-res lro images beamed back show up exactly the apollo rendezvous 40 years back. even the rover tracks and bootprints. i'll go by the facts and try learning more instead of crying "hoax".
zambi007i 7 months ago
@zambi007i Conspiracy theorists like the feeling that they are party to "secret" knowledge unknown to us simple "sheep".It`s intellectual fascism of the worst kind.All evidence that disproves their case is "fake".All scientists,teachers and politicians are "in on it",in fact anyone who doesn`t share their inane worldview is a "sheeple" etc.This fascism explains why many slip so easily into infantile abuse,often of a racist,anti-semitic,misogynistic or homophobic nature.Strange crowd indeed!
swfcocs1 7 months ago
@swfcocs1
well, i don't blame them, at least entirely. they are quick to cry "hoax" if they spot a rover track missing or flag oscillating in vacuum. that might be ignorance playing on them. it'd definitely do them much good if they choose to study the facts first and form an honest opinion based on what they learn. afap, they have to be educated.
zambi007i 7 months ago
@zambi007i I get the point,but they`re adults and should take responsibilty for their views,however inane! It`s a similar mindset to extreme religious views,there`s the same smug superiority,contempt for all differing views and dogmatism.Regarding education,many regard all education and educators as part of the conspiracy.they constantly claim that they do "research",yet are always vague as to what that involves. It seems to be the dismissal of factsand the instant acceptance of hoax vid "facts"
swfcocs1 7 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 They are perpetrating Science Fraud, just like NASA and the 9/11 Commission.
jerichomutant 5 months ago
So EASY to get to the moon 43 years ago and no other country has tried since; even a manned fly by passed the moon; WHY?
Something is smelly cheesy about this whole story.
EGMAG 7 months ago
@EGMAG
well, nasa can still do it now. the point is, so much has been understood that there's nothing left to explore except, maybe, set up manned outposts, if that can be done permanently. do you know why do adventurers here on the earth don't try to explore the sahara or the gobi? because of the same reasons.
zambi007i 7 months ago
@EGMAG What makes you think Apollo was "easy"? It cost a huge amount,3 astronauts died.Space travel is still a hugely expensive and risky venture.NASa took risks unacceptable today.Given the cost,any return to the moon will be part of a wider strategy(eg on the way to mars).The LRO and Japanese JAXA moon probes recently took images of the Apollo landing sites.They`re available online under "Apollo 11 ultra close up "
swfcocs1 7 months ago
@swfcocs1
Weren't they fake?
Easy in the sense of the backwards technology of the 60's.
Today's 43 year advanced tech is far and well beyond the sixties; and no one, I repeat not one entity around the world is even or has been the least bit interested in repeating the unimaginably great scientific moonlanding. Ha!
EGMAG 7 months ago
@EGMAG If Apollo was fake,why didn`t the USSR expose the hoax? It`d have been a huge PR win in the cold war for the soviets and a massive blow to the US.Is it feasible that the USSR simply allowed their hated enemies to claim the glory of a moon landing they knew to be "fake"? the USSR had the means and motive to expose Apollo as fake.Why didn`t they?
swfcocs1 7 months ago
@swfcocs1 Why didn`t they? <<
Do you think Russia did all that they claimed in space too. Holy shit what a fucked up bunch of governments we have! No wonder history is filled with genocides atrocities wars and hatred throughout the world. We are led by many charlatans and greedy power and money hungry liars!
EGMAG 7 months ago
@EGMAG So what space travel is "fake"? when the USSR collapsed their most secret files were revealed.I studied files classed "above top secret" personally for my thesis on the Spanish civil war.No evidence whatsoever emerged of a global conspiracy,in the space race or any other field.I`d agree about the "money hungry liars" part,many poliicians become tainted by power and/or money.There is ,however,simply no evidence of a global conspiracy around Apollo or anything else!
swfcocs1 7 months ago
@swfcocs1
You are comparing apples with oranges.
EGMAG 7 months ago
@EGMAG That`s your answer?
swfcocs1 7 months ago
@EGMAG dont worry, swfcocs is a troll and a hoaxturd and mentally insane
DeadJesus100 7 months ago
@DeadJesus100 a troll and a hoaxturd and mentally insane <<
Sounds like Casey Anthony!
EGMAG 7 months ago
@EGMAG lmao
DeadJesus100 7 months ago
@swfcocs1 This supposition is based on presumed assumptions that the USSR had to ability to 'track' the missions. It is HIGHLY doubtful they had the technology at that time to track the Apollonots to the Moon, however, they were not going to admit that "Da, we huv beeeen out smartid by da Amereeecans". Also, we don't know what the Russians were thinking at the time seeing as no one really got the Moscow Times on their front porch in NY in the early 70's. Finally, the US gov't......
jerichomutant 5 months ago
@jerichomutant On 8 July 1972, the US government announced the sale of about one quarter of the entire crop of wheat to the USSR at a fixed price of $1.63 per bushel. The market price at the time of the announcement was $1.50 but immediately soared to a new high of $2.44 a bushel.That's how the USA bought the silence of the USSR on the Moon programme.
Since 1967, the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee has helped the USA while impeding the Soviet Moon programme by all means.
jerichomutant 5 months ago
@jerichomutant ...The Proton rocket failure in September 1967 was a result of a diversion.The N-1 rocket failure in June 1969 was a result of in internal engine explosion caused by a foreign metallic object. In 1970, the USSR and the USA secretly agreed to hide from the public some circumstances of the latter's Moon programme. In 1974, the Politburo ordered the destruction of 3 ready-to-fly N-1 rockets. (The USA and Japan's NASDA bought and licensed their NK-33 engines a couple
jerichomutant 5 months ago
@jerichomutant ..... of decades later,and NASA will use them, marketed by GenCorp Aerojet as AJ26, in the Orbital Sciences Taurus II expendable launch system.)
Since 1976, no Soviet space robot has flown to the Moon—the Politburo stopped their flights to prevent an Apollo hoax disclosure. And the 1980s Politburo led the USSR to a break-up. As a result, the Russian leadership cancelled the Energia rocket in 1993. All these actions were in favour of the USA.
jerichomutant 5 months ago
@jerichomutant ...Oh --the Russians probably couldn't 'TRACK' anything until 1972, and shortly thereafter all *faked* Missions to the Moon went bye-bye. Along with all the mystical 1960/1970's NASA technology. You would think they would have kept some of it as souvenirs or something. The problem with the logic of your initial question, is that you still live in a world of Black and White where it is the Goodies Vs. the Baddies.
jerichomutant 5 months ago
@jerichomutant ........ Hate to shake you up, but there is a whole mess of colors out there and most of them are Baddies.
jerichomutant 5 months ago
@jerichomutant If this ludricous theory is correct,why didn`t they ever expose the "hoax" when grain supplies were stopped or during other times of international tension,such as the USSR war in Afghanistan? Why hasn`t a single file about any of this,not one, emerged since the soviet archives were opened? Other soviet activities emerged,such as the Katyn massacres.The USSR ,like most totalitarian states,kept meticolous records of their activities,did they "forget" to record the Apollo "hoax"?
swfcocs1 5 months ago
@swfcocs1 Read 1984. The US and USSR are still working together in the joint space program, along with India et al. Politics isn't black and white, cowboys and indians.
jerichomutant 5 months ago
@jerichomutant Read 1984? I did a college thesis on George Orwell and if you`re interptreting 1984,or animal farm,to fit a conspiracy theorist agenda I suggest you read up on the man who wrote them.He was referring to actual totallitarian societies,especially Stalins Russia,where your beliefs got you shot.I suggest you read "homage to Catalonia",his diary of his experiences fighting in the POUM against fascism in the Spanish civil war.That was fighting,and dying,against real fascist tyranny
swfcocs1 5 months ago
@jerichomutant if the ussr didn't have the tech to track spacecrafts, then they sure possibly couldn't track one of their own! i'd say even japan had mastered satellite tracking after hiroshima.
zambi007i 4 months ago
@EGMAG
you're sounding exactly like "if today's technology can give us tft lcds, amoleds, hologram displays &c, then why don't they manufacture crts and valve tubes and serve us b&w b***s**t."
please excuse me for using a swear word here but i've no intention to abuse anyone. all i say is we do have the cutting edge tech of the "future", but it'd look only foolish to try to create something at a much higher cost of what has already been done, woould it not?
zambi007i 4 months ago
@zambi007i
Is there a question in your post?
EGMAG 4 months ago
@EGMAG i didn't probably say it in simple terms. i said it'd be redundant in terms of finance, economy and technology to try to go back to the moon for a day or two, then come back with the same old rocks of 70s and then show the evidence once more to state before the world that the usa indeed went there.
the world is looking forward to a more or less a permanent base on the moon with human stays of more than a month and you talk satire. in fact, your post is paradoxical!
zambi007i 4 months ago
@zambi007i
The whole plan in the first place was elimination of the ozone layer, EMF, &Van Allen Belts with nuclear weapons to space tunnel to the moon, and other test experimentation nuke nations followed suit. Look what is happening to earth today from these past mistakes! The atmosphere is dwindling from the domino effect of those sub-atomic radioactive particles dissipating our protective layers. The moon was to be a safe launch area to other planets. Equals moon-hoax! Earth is in trouble!
EGMAG 4 months ago
@zambi007i
The whole plan in the first place was elimination of the ozone layer, EMF, &Van Allen Belts with nuclear weapons to space tunnel to the moon, and other test experimentation nuke nations followed suit. Look what is happening to earth today from these past mistakes! The atmosphere is dwindling from the domino effect of those sub-atomic radioactive particles dissipating our protective layers. The moon was to be a safe launch area to other planets. Equals moon-hoax! Earth is in trouble!
EGMAG 4 months ago
@EGMAG keeping our mutual unpleasantries aside, i really did find your comment intelligible. yes, you're correct in saying that the so-called 'scientists' have not only destroyed the earth but are also making it irreparable to a great extent. leaving this aside, we've to acknowledge the great strides science and scientists have made in the recent past. advancements in many fields have not just opened up new vistas but have also helped mankind in many ways. (contd..)
zambi007i 4 months ago
@EGMAG and yes, mars is quite a few centuries, if not decades, far off. three or four days of space travel may be possible but who knows more than a month of space exposure might spring up what kinds of unexpected issues!
vab blasting was a mistake but it was not done to provide a tunnel. only a foolish scientist would think like that. any "hole" in vab would immediate "fill" up with radiation from the sun. the tests studied how long the radiation levels would take to level down to normal.
zambi007i 4 months ago
@zambi007i
Interesting reply. I did not get it in my inbox. ?. Remember almost 4000 nuclear tests in the past 55 years, were run worldwide by all concerned nations which added to ozone delition & global warming; not underarm aerosols like governmentS want us to think. Religious scammers keep "SUGGESTING" the end days and apocalyspes so often it is enough to cause WW 3 it for sure. Nations need to call truces, forget nuclear bombings, & begin a new age of sober solutions to the world problems.
EGMAG 4 months ago
@EGMAG now that's changed the wavelength. of course, what you've said is true of this world. however, we're still a part of it as long as we continue using all or some of its resources. you go and buy gas for your car out of your need. but the gov wants you the middle-class to spend money like hell so that some day the class might get extinct. osho had said that we don't need nations at all. all this world needs is love, to be one big worldly family. however, i doubt that will happen!
zambi007i 4 months ago
@EGMAG now that's changed the wavelength. of course, what you've said is true of this world. however, we're still a part of it as long as we continue using all or some of its resources. you go and buy gas for your car out of your need. but the gov wants you the middle-class to spend money like h*ll so that some day the class might get extinct. osho had said that we don't need nations at all. all this world needs is love, to be one big worldly family. however, i doubt that will happen!
zambi007i 4 months ago
@zambi007i changed the wavelength <<
THERE IS NO WAY THAT AFTER 44 YEARS MOON EXPLORATION AND SETTLEMENT COULD REMAIN DORMANT UNLESS IT ALL WAS A HOAX !
EGMAG 4 months ago
@EGMAG imagine reinventing vacuum tubes and crt television sets and eagerly wait for b&w sh*t to be aired so you can safely say - man did invent vacuum tubes and crts. there's no way that was a hoax. so is your thinking. well, it's up to the newer nations like china and india to take the bold initiative. we've to wait and see the conclusions.
zambi007i 4 months ago
@zambi007i hoax hoax hoax
EGMAG 4 months ago
@EGMAG that's your viewpoint. it won't change the world's view (about 3 billion people - adults) believing with evidence. you can't change that, can you?
zambi007i 4 months ago
@zambi007i believing with evidence <<
7 BILLION people say "What evidence? AlL "BELIEF" evidence has been proved fake. Did you just wake up?
EGMAG 4 months ago
@EGMAG you know what you're probably among the last of the 7 bil. you need to wake up and see that 7 billion people consist of men, women, old people, children, infants etc. the 3 billion i mentioned is the adult population (men & women) who can understand the apollo missions video and say at least something about "your anomalies" and "inconsistencies".
this shows you deliberately choose to ignore all the related facts before commenting.
zambi007i 4 months ago
@EGMAG PROOF PROOF PROOF, not more incompetent wild eyed speculation.
I'll give you proof that we DID land on the Moon. " FOOTPRINTS" ! go look at the latest LROC images and explain how that movie studio got on the Moon, lmfao.
the final nail in the flat earth society's coffin = FOOTPRINTS at all 6 landing sites. face the truth and recant.
1MtnBoy 4 months ago
@1MtnBoy
Forget it. Eggmagg is one of these Twoofers thinking he is smarter than all those scientists and engineers that acknowledged the Moon landings for decades. He's some kind of René. Or worse...
Rob260259 4 months ago
@Rob260259 Worse, LOL I am beginning to think it is a clinical condition or an extra chromosome perhaps.
1MtnBoy 4 months ago
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@1MtnBoy
Been DEBUNKED . YOU ARE A JOKE!
EGMAG 4 months ago
@EGMAG thats your unqualified opinion of course.
1MtnBoy 4 months ago
@EGMAG and for the forum's info, mars has already been conquered, albeit unmanned. though a manned exploration of mars is quite a few centuries into the future, still the mars rovers are definitely a 'small step' toward achieving this goal.
zambi007i 4 months ago
@zambi007i
I think these reply's are all fake programs; because real human beings cannot be this redundant and stupid
in their answers!
EGMAG 4 months ago
@EGMAG didn't get your reply. come again!
zambi007i 4 months ago
@zambi007i come again! <<
These forums appear to be programmed with answers and not from real live people. Often the replies are repetitive and redundant, as if a robot computer makes them up, and even lies most of the time.
EGMAG 4 months ago
@EGMAG
i wouldn't say that. i don't think i'm a robot. and i don't think you're either! a web bot might answer using a standard rule but that'd immediately seem to be so. take eg us. we didn't start on a good note but now here we are, discussing and arguing as civilized humans. that's the essence of a forum. place one's side and hear the other's. it does make a good conversation.
zambi007i 4 months ago
@EGMAG and let me ask you in the same spirit you asked me.
is your query in your originating post your interrogation of nasa's more-than-50-years-of-firmly-established-credentials?
and is the last statement of yours a forensic conclusion of your-own-made-up-crime-scene?
zambi007i 4 months ago
@zambi007i
Oh ha ha
Just do the research yourself.
EGMAG 4 months ago
@EGMAG
i don't post in haste like you. i've read quite a lot to challenge you or any hoaxer to a sane discussion. it's only when you hoaxers avoid facing questions directly that truth believers like me get posts like yours.
my friend, in all seriusness, laughing off matters won't get anyone anywhere near the truth. it's only when you try comprehending the facts with an open mind that you'll come to know the truth.
btw, it's pretty useless of me trying to convince you. it's your choice!
zambi007i 4 months ago
@zambi007i pretty useless <<
GOOD; then it's a waste of our time! BYE
EGMAG 4 months ago
@EGMAG
i rightly said you post in haste.
i said 'pretty useless' trying to 'convince you'. he that can not be convinced can't evince either. take good care.
zambi007i 4 months ago
@zambi007i
WTF ?
EGMAG 4 months ago
@EGMAG i got it. you speak constapatiz or something. you sure do need fiber jeeves!
zambi007i 4 months ago
@zambi007i
They'll NEVER go to the MARS without going to the MOON FIRST. Mars is way more expensive then can be imagined by you, and most people!
EGMAG 4 months ago
@swfcocs1
The landing sites pictures were not proved as legitimate. America never let the risks outweigh the rewards so unacceptable and risky is baloney. You can forget Mars. Unless they find a way to overcome all the dangerous barriers to the moon they'll never get there!
In fact the moon-stage for the alleged landings is so sloppy and full of telltale clues as to its non-authenticity it isn't even funny!
EGMAG 7 months ago
@EGMAGIs it feasible that NASA,an agency capable of pulling off the biggest "hoax" in history,would release footage full of the "errors" that hoaxsters claim are present?.Do you know what a continuity editor does on a film set? Wouldn`t NASA have used some to check the film? All the"telltale" clues have been refuted countless times.James Van Allen went on record repeatedly to refute the hoax theory that the VA belts were deadly to Apollo.Were NASA genius plotters and incompetents simultaneously?
swfcocs1 7 months ago
I love how the spectators are looking at the moon...where Neil and Buzz are not!
hunchbacked 7 months ago
@NASAvsPETE
You know what, PETE, you are not so far from truth.
I'm deeply impressed indeed...by the imagination that the engineers put in introducing incoherencies in the project!
hunchbacked 7 months ago
@NASAvsPETE
That's what I said, they were just for fun!
hunchbacked 7 months ago
@NASAvsPETE
The alarms were just for fun!
hunchbacked 7 months ago
The money the Americans paid for Apollo has been used for the Vietnam war.
hunchbacked 7 months ago
Oh because its a great thing to be in the army isn't it? It sure helps develop the future and spirit of humanity to go into the army and kill people for the sake of politics. Really, you are spouting on about how its all fraud and they did nothing great for their country, and you are running off to be nothing more than a mere tool of crooked politics which are well known to be full of lies and deceit? Where were those WMD's again? Oh no it was a mispell, they meant oil fields right?
luketorpedo 7 months ago
12 mins to land something they never did once on earth, arent these guys lucky bastards ... then down to less than 30 seconds, wow the tension LMFAO ...
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pt1gard 7 months ago 2
@pt1gard Exactly. NASA in the year 2011 can not launch a rocket, land that rocket, then relaunch that rocket..........but they supposidly performed much more intricate maneuvers in 1969???? With the Atari joystick controls? HAHAHAHA.
jerichomutant 5 months ago
If Armstrong, and all the other APOLLONOTS had the REAL COURAGE, and RIGHT STUFF, they would have served the US in the VIET NAM war, instead of participating in FAKE SPACE MISSIONS, and becoming MILLI VANILLI heroes!
They are cowards, liars, thieves, and traitors. And those who hero-worship them are the most idiotic, unlearned, morons on the entire planet!
This is why they are so desperately defended by disinfo spewing trolls, such as can be seen by the morons spewing their poison here.
un4g1v3n1 7 months ago 3
@un4g1v3n1 Do some research,Aldrin was a decorated fighter pilot.The irony of being called "unlearned" by someone who takes utube vids on face value whilst ignoring the expert opinion of 1000s of experts is astounding! What evidence do you study before reaching a conclusion about a particular subject?
swfcocs1 7 months ago
@swfcocs1
I much hear of experts and engineers from the Apollo believers, but I never see them.
hunchbacked 7 months ago
@hunchbacked You could start at jodrell bank telescope in Manchester England,they have a library of academic papers,many on Apollo.the Natural history museum in London has a whole section on Monnrocks written by geology experts.The space agencies worldwide(many unfriendly to the US) have information facilities or libraries containing similar material.There are 100s of universities worldwide with geology and/or astronomy depts.All contain viewable material.Is that enough?
swfcocs1 7 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 MOst of the AstroNOTs were Free Masons or should I say, Moon Masons. Buzzard All-Grin even brought his 33rd Degree Free Mason flag to the moon where it probably waved in the wind like the starchy stars and stripes. Now, let's think about this???? Why would being a Free Mason, a member of a SECRET society, known for keeping SECRETS, dramatically increase one's likely-hood of participating in a FAKE MOON trip where the NASA NAZI's would want you to stay Hush-Hush about the HOAX?
jerichomutant 5 months ago
And as a final aside. The apollo astronots, and those few in NASA who were aware of the fraud they perpetuated on the minds of the citizens of the world. The money the stole from American taxpayers, was just one of the crimes they committed. The other, and most important, was the fact they committed treason against their country, and citizenry. They all should be tried, and hung like the traitors they are! And those who continue to defend this lie, should be hung with the same ropes!
un4g1v3n1 7 months ago
Now, as for the continued attacks by PAN's and useless trolls on myself, and other Apollo truthers...Their words provide all the proof of their REAL intentions. First off, I could give a shit less what they think, write, or blather on about. I, as you, know what I am, and who I serve. I rose my hand in an oath to it. It's for the freedoms those in America are suppose to have been afforded by it's Constitution. That includes the freedom these trolls enjoy as they shit all over the TRUTH!
un4g1v3n1 7 months ago
I spent ten years investigating every angle of the Apollo fraud, mostly the REAL ENVIRONMENT of space, within and beyond the protective cocoon which keeps us all alive on this blue jewel of the MILKY WAY. Anyone who invests even an IOTA of time, learning about SPACE and the many types of deadly radiation, and other dangers, will quickly see Apollo as the financial heist, and propaganda tool it served as. And those who continue to try and defend Apollo have no interest in truth, or are TROLLS!
un4g1v3n1 7 months ago 2
For the unfortunate viewer who ends up reading the moronic troll blatherings coming from the PAN morons who infect every Apollo related video with their text-book, troll flaming, be sure of one thing. None of these PAN's have an iota of interest in discussing truth. Otherwise they would watch a few SCIENCE programs about space, and HEAR the astro/solar physicists telling them how we are alive due to our magnetosphere, and that the radiation in space beyond is DEADLY! But they HATE truth!
un4g1v3n1 7 months ago
watch?v=QT4cFTJM288 That should clear it up for those who have common sense, and one of humor!
un4g1v3n1 7 months ago
I CHALLENGE ANY PRO-APOLLO NUTTER TO GO TO THE NGDC, view the MAJOR SOLAR FLARES recorded by NOAA during Apollo mission dates, and explain to the Apollo Fairy Tale believers how test pilots in tin cans could possibly survive events flooding their tin can, or hitting them directly while 'supposedly' bouncing around, singing on the moon, with 250 to 1000's of REM's per hour? 500 REM's and you are DEAD!
Go back to sleep PAN's, and keep dreaming your APOLLO FAIRY TALES!
un4g1v3n1 7 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 James Van Allen himself went on record repeatedly to refute the hoax theory that the VA belts would be deadly to Apollo.The evidence is available online at the clavius site.Scientific papers written by experts in radiation have been written about Apollo at universities all over the world.papers have also been written by experts in geology,engineering,physics,maths and astronomy.The Apollo data,footage and samples are studied to this day.Are all these people "asleep"?
swfcocs1 7 months ago
@swfcocs1 That wasn't the challenge pal. You afraid to take it too? Coward!
Your sweeping generalizations, free of sources, is the same ole ploy propagandist PAN trolls like yourself use every minute of every day.
Way to be original! I guess that just another aspect of PAN trollhood. Lack of originality!
You are the weakest link. Goodbye!
un4g1v3n1 7 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 Sourceless? The Van Allen evidence is on the Clavius website.Papers written on Apollo are available to study from Jodrell bank telescope in Manchester,UK.You failed to answer my question-Are these people all "asleep"? Speaking of a lack of originality,I can`t believe anyone is still using the weakest link as a "comedy" put down.That is truly unoriginal.What is the challenge? I would be genuinely interested in answering your challenge.
swfcocs1 7 months ago
@un4g1v3n1
Why all the name calling? Why can't you talk to people, they are not your enemy because they do not beleive the same things as you. ' propagandist pan trolls' ? Oh for gods sake what is that meant to mean?
Why won't you people ever stick around and argue your case?
TheSpiritof1969 7 months ago
@TheSpiritof1969
s/he just isn't willing to get his basics right. no matter how softly you advise the user, un4g1v3n1 just doesn't talk science. pure ignorance.
zambi007i 7 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 You`ve still failed to tell me what the "challenge" is.
swfcocs1 7 months ago
@swfcocs1 I'm sure this was after he got a visit from the NASA NAZI henchmen who like to drive trains into people and their families and cut off people's fingers..........Did you know that Neil Armstrong lost his ring finger in a 'farming accident'??? Geez, not to