This is "Paganism"? NO! This is degeneration!

[TheDisharmony]

fucking goth trend lol. its only modern fashion

[elisatolle111]

@debbaOfTheFlanders Thanks :) looks like fun!

[tinaporter1]

you can be a goth and a pagan huh cant believe goths are still geting ridiculed. i am a witch and i dress very gothic its whats within me so anyone should be allowed to wear what they like and should not be judged just like witchfest everyone that goes is not nessecerily a witch some are just there to dress up check mate

[pansarblack]

@tinaporter1 Indeed. I'm was a pagan when I dressed gothic in highschool and I'm a pagan now that I wear plain clothes from good will. How you dress doesn't change the person one bit

On a side note though some of these people are really hot and this place looks like a blast!

[johnrcoben]

Looks like a bunch of goth people getting together and having a good time. What the hell is wrong with that? Because they're wearing different clothes than you? Get a brain already.

[Arminiushoff]

They aren't Pagans, just and stupid urban tribe under the fashion slave.

[btyremanable]

@1.16 Charles Bronson

[elisatolle111]

They are having FUN..it isn't a religious festival..most likely an event held by pagans with a scifi fairy theme :p

[debbaOfTheFlanders]

@elisatolle111 this is actualy liepsich-Wave Gotik Treffen biggest goth fest in the world this is just a very smal part of it thy hold this festival yearly and takes up practicly the hole village/city pretty big and famous among european goths

[davidthomasmorton]

blind as well as stupid

FRO

[davidthomasmorton]

the roman catholic church is satanic

The Israelites worshiped the One True God Almighty .

all ba'als goddess gods by any other name than JESUS + GOD + JESUS are satanic . remember satan deceived the first two people God created , so do you think he would stop there .

there are no perfect Christian churches , only churches where decent Christians go to pray and praise and meet fellow believers

charismatic is as satanic as catholicism both = babalonian mystery churches you will understand

[DrakeMarwick]

@davidthomasmorton Well, its obvious that I'm not even making a dent in your delusions. Nor are you going to even listen to a word that I'm going to say. But listen well, David: We do not want to live your life. Shocking, isn't it? We do not want to babble like religious nuts who can't seem to make up their minds what is and what is not. And debbaOfTheFlanders does bring up a good point. Before Christianity, were all *people* satanists? Hmm?

[DrakeMarwick]

How about EVERYONE stops flaming both goths _and_ pagans? I like this idea.

[Jackfayce1]

I think this is a LARPing event not a pagan festival

[DrakeMarwick]

@Jackfayce1 No, actually, this is most likely a video of Wave Gotik Treffen (A gothic festival).

[davidthomasmorton]

YOUR GOD LOOKS BACK AT YOU IN THE MIRROR ugh!

JESUS CHRIST IS LORD OF ALL

REPENT OR PERISH

[DrakeMarwick]

@davidthomasmorton Eeewww... it's a hellraiser! Go away. I've had enough of hypocrites today. 

[davidthomasmorton]

@DrakeMarwick all you decieved pagans if tou want more powerful deeper spiritual experiances you WILL have to acknowledge Satan who those at your level say they do not believe in .Higher up you get inwicca / witchcraft you will find that they become the same as satanism . satan rules over dianna,,the queen of heave and over marriahetc...

JESUS CHRIST IS LORD OF ALL

[DrakeMarwick]

@davidthomasmorton Did you know that paganism was in existence for THOUSANDS of years before any form of christianity? Christianity was made by power hungry men to control the populace. They demonized our gods. Satan's horns based upon Cernunnos's and Pan's horns to convince the common people that they were evil. One god above all? That was based upon ALL pagan religions; Greek's Zeus and the Norse's Odin were both fathers to gods and men. Satan is Christian made. And Pagans want none of it.

[DrakeMarwick]

@davidthomasmorton I'm sorry, but everyone else was thinking it. 

[davidthomasmorton]

@DrakeMarwicno need to apologise . you know what everyone thinks ? maybe in you hippie new age satani B.S.lot try to enlighten you but you have ears but do not hear and eyes but do not see

[DrakeMarwick]

@davidthomasmorton I have eyes, and I see the pain that Christianity has caused. Wars are fought for religion, blood has been spilt upon the land for naught but pride in Jesus and closed ears to any other gods that whisper and shout for you. I escaped with my soul intact. Perhaps you will one day do the same.

[davidthomasmorton]

@DrakeMarwick I know all about paganism. the One True God =Jesus called them Baals = false gods . you dont need to want anything to do with satan cuase as far as he and God are concerned you belong to him9satan0 and his demons in their various guises .

I know you will find that it was Catholicism which started the wars you speak of and catholicism is another Babalonyian mystery religion belonging bto satan . top level God = Jesus rule over satan over pan and dianna and earth moon sun blah blah

[DrakeMarwick]

@davidthomasmorton First off, Catholicism is a sect of Christianity. They both believe in the Cross-God and Jesus. They just add the worship of Mary. Second, how do you know that God really thinks that? Hmm? And if you say that "The Bible says so!" I'm not going to buy that. The Bible was written by MAN, copied by MAN, and published by MAN.

And how does Jesus rule over Satan? It's obvious they have their own agendas, according to you. Perhaps Jesus tells Satan to take over the world in 'sin.'

[davidthomasmorton]

heaven or hell !

Jesus = God = Jesus , all else ARE satanic deceptions

[debbaOfTheFlanders]

@davidthomasmorton dude where the hell did you get that inspersion.... so before the curch al europeans where satanic?

[TheMilliereGroupLLC]

@debbaOfTheFlanders No.... Before The Christians, there was no SaTan... Our way has been passed down through many many many years hundreds some say thousands... for arguments sake we will say, Our way predates your way... dwarfs it in the time of man... if you really want to get sticky... go back to the Sumerians...

[debbaOfTheFlanders]

@TheMilliereGroupLLC sure cristians are older then european pagans????

[BurningMountin]

@debbaOfTheFlanders God states in the bible that He created the stars, moon and the sun for signs. He wrote His intentions for humanity in the heavens. This is how the very first religions and language came about. This is why we see the death and resurection of Jesus in the rising and setting sun. We are supposed to worship the creator, not the creation.

[debbaOfTheFlanders]

@BurningMountinif the bible is the word of man im god but thats just my opinion.

the bilbe you hold as truth for this is based on jesus about 2000y stonehedge i dont now allot older anyway il keep this simple god took 5days to make the world and then every other sun+planets around it took one day get a grip,a god almighty i think just snap his fingers and make it al at once and btw i do believe in god but i niether trust nor like him hail lucefernia

[debbaOfTheFlanders]

@BurningMountin dont qoute wathever thy shoved into your head its full of BS and evil rulles dont steal wath if you have no choice your children are dying no cash no where to turn wath wil you do? the bible is nothing more then lwas of man its about materialism not spiritualism and believe me i have seen very page of that filthy fairytale books

[davidthomasmorton]

@DrakeMarwick who tells you about your false gods and demonic spirit guides ?

catholicism has as many false teachings and idols as you pagans

tyou "escaped" with yor pride and lust and self rightousness intact but LOST your soul .you must repent and tour to Jesus again

[DrakeMarwick]

@davidthomasmorton I can't help but notice you are asking me a whole lot of questions, but not answering nearly as many.I wonder, are you as ignorant as you seem to be?Are you wondering exactly WHAT this 'hippy' religion is all about?

I escaped with my happiness and my curiosity for life.I escaped from hatred of all things different and instead found an ACCEPTING religion.My soul will rise, its true, but to the stars, where Arianrhod will welcome me with open arms. You can keep your fiery pits.

[DrakeMarwick]

@davidthomasmorton I learn of my gods much the same as you learned of yours. Through documentation, ancient writings, and archeological structures as ancient as time itself. Though yours are much much more recent, I applaud the attempts at complete domination through fear and prejudice. And did you know that the Bible was not only written by old men, but edited so the europeans could understand. The funniest part of Christianity is the fact that the chosen people are Jews. Jesus was a Jew. Lol.

[davidthomasmorton]

@DrakeMarwick how can my God be more recent than yours? my God created your god "demonic false spirits " bbefore He created man .

yes arianrod s religion accepts all of mankinds selfish and sinful desires.arrianhod is just another hell bound demon but you can repent from you pride etc

[DrakeMarwick]

@davidthomasmorton Very easily.Christianity is based off of many religious faiths in the Mediterranean area. Jesus, if he even lived, created Christianity to follow him. And I must say again, Jesus was a Jew. And I never said your god is much more recent, I said the STRUCTURES and WRITINGS are more recent. And I would appreciate it if you 1) gave my belief in my gods the respect that I give your belief in them and not call them 'demons' and 'false spirits,' and 2) actually type correctly.

[DrakeMarwick]

@davidthomasmorton Can you honestly explain to me, without looking it up, exactly who Arianrhod is? No. It's because you do not care for my gods. Perhaps you can actually learn who and what they are before deeming them 'demons.' Have you considered the fact that all evil comes from the heart, not from a horned personage? WE made evil. WE made crime. WE are the ones responsible and MAN will be the ones who give us consequences. Not some personage in the sky.

[DrakeMarwick]

@davidthomasmorton And if you believe that any of us worship Satan, then its obvious that you know nothing of Paganism, in any of its forms. You look in from a Christian's point of view, condemning all that is different from your 'one path of righteousness." There are many paths and many destinations that we will find; I will not walk your path to your death, and neither will you walk down mine. (Thank the gods)

[hnoss13]

Well, this looks like fun. I'd attend for the shopping and food.

[reyavq777]

live and let live peace

[Fireflygamer]

When happened to "do what ye will less it harms none", These people may or may not be pagan, but just because they are not pagan in the way you are pagan dose not mean they are degenerates. This reeks of monotheistic judgement, that theses people are less then us because the are different form us. Don't become judgmental in a vain attempt at gain the favor of the must judgmental in our society, they will always think you're evil for being different in there eyes no matter what.

[VoiceofK]

People doing what they enjoy? HOW BLOOY DARE THEM!!

[joshthepagan]

Guys, these are Germans. This is quite tame for them. Just watch their tv shows in the evening and you will know what I mean. For Americans, this would be about as shocking as seeing a kid come to school with baggy pants.

[whitbyjet65]

And then they all drive back in their Golf turbo diesels to their jobs in IT.

[gdchet]

Further to that I've even hung around with people who you call "vampire-fags". Like a group in north Ohio which happens to be full of the best energy workers I've ever met in my entirely life!

As a gay man I'm not even going to start in the use of the word fag!

[neothugx]

@gdchet cocksucker/rumphumper

[gdchet]

@neothugx Breeder!

[gdchet]

Then why are you agreeing with Ragnar above. I agree with Oceanospotamos. I'm sick to death of pagans who don't like a spiritual teaching because it does look celtic enough. Who made ragnor the critique of autheticity of battle reenactment. They might have just been having fun. I know far more goths with an extreme amount of devotion and discipline in their faiths than I know pagans.

[DrakeMarwick]

Not all goths are pagan, and not all pagans are goth. religion and fashion preference are not the same

[neothugx]

@DrakeMarwick they tend to intertwine though

[gdchet]

@neothugx No they don't most Goths I know are atheists and most pagans I know dress quite colourfully.

[DrakeMarwick]

@neothugx No, not really. Some people like to incorporate their religion into their fashion, but even then they are two separate things. It's the same thing as a christian just wearing a cross over everyday clothing.

As a side note, there are MANY christians, atheists, muslims, blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, happy, sad, and angry people who are goth. Religion, race, mood, or whatever else people believe in or are has no say in whether or not you are goth or not. It's all about TASTE.

[MarkusFontaine]

i'd just like to point out that Wave gotik Treffen isn't a pagan festival, it is a goth music festival. though i see the point you are making, there are a LOT of goths posing as pagans just to appear all nonconformist and mysterious and shit.

[MrMika1958]

...a bunch of fools...

[hnoss13]

@MrMika1958 You are old. Are you going to die soon? It must be sad knowing you don't have much time left. Better learn kindness before your sand runs out. Glad I'm not you.

[Althalos90]

So why does it matter how they dress? If they are good people, they are good people! Who cares if they wear all black! At least they arent bowing down to some god who makes them change themselves and trying to mold themselves into "good little christians". they are pagans! Free spirits!

[tzimbar5]

these are the true dangers elements for paganism, as the satanism and the christians who want demonized our religion!!

[MetalJeRat]

@oceanospotamos

great video man, paganism to pagans, not theese freaks.

[HK2UKBABY]

@usernamelessization ... Geek -_-

[gypsytearss1]

quick make your decks its the darkmoon faire!

[tooth2fang84]

you judge a person by the way they look, that is really wronge judging a book by its cover know what i am saying you can only judge them really on the way they treat the belief.

[gilwellian]

I can judge myself but not others because their clothings nor behaviour. Wassail!

[Usernamelessization]

May God enlighten these mislead children. In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Amen

[effekt59]

This is wave gotik treffen, which is primarily a goth and deathrock event. It is very much about styles and fashion, and does not bill itself as a pagan event. Kinda dumb to judge people on what they do. Why not worry about yourself and leave others to their own enjoyment?

[TheMilliereGroupLLC]

@effekt59 As iZ The PaGan WaY : ) Mote it be>>>>

[RagnarLodbrok6]

Faerieworlds? This doesn't look like a real pagan festival to me. More like a bad and trashy goth fashion show. Their clothing and sense of style is really retarded, and the "pagan battle" reenactments are of low quality and look nothing like the real thing. It's like vampire-fag clubhouses teaming up with the renaissance faire.

[oceanospotamos]

@RagnarLodbrok6 You have damn right!

[debbaOfTheFlanders]

@RagnarLodbrok6 dude look at the info bar "wave gotik treffen" so my geus is this is liepsig wave gotik treffen the biggest goth fest in the world

[debbaOfTheFlanders]

@RagnarLodbrok6 lol that video is of liepzigh-wave gothic treffen biggest goth fest in europe not the world this vidoe just show a very smal part of it

it takes up an entire town and btw trashy goth fashion show goth grew out of punk its supposed to be quite trashy in style i think

[TribeOfCrua]

hm.. what gives u right to judge these people?

[Sekmeth7]

Ich kenne mich da nicht so aus, weil kein Szenegänger und weder Goth, noch Pagan:

aber sind Goth udn Pagan nicht doch relativ unterschiedliche Paar Schuhe?

Goth=Livestile

Pagan= Spiritualität?

soweit ich gehört habe, geht es im aktuellen Goth doch wohl eh fast nur noch um sehen und gesehen werden. und auf dem WGT wird man dann vermutlich auch mehr solche Leute treffen?

und "richtige" Heiden abseits der Metal/Goth/mediaval wannabees findet man vermutlich eh nicht sehr häufig, oder?

Hm.

[Marco07381]

Heidentum? Wohl kaum! Ohne irgendjemanden seine Spiritualität absprechen zu wollen - auf diesem Video sehe ich vor allem Menschen, die zu viel Zeit und Geld haben. Ich sehe kommerzielle Exzesse. Ich sehe eine Subkultur, die sicherlich legitim ist! Aber ich sehe kein Heidentum. Sollen die Leute ihren Spaß haben! Trotzdem sind auch diese Erscheinungen nicht förderlich für Naturspiritualität bzw. Heidentum. Deshalb bin ich für eine differenzierte Darstellung - ohne Gräben aufreißen zu wollen!

[NSgreenRegime]

Way cooler and most honest to our human nature than Jewsus worship.

Way more interesting than a sunday morning listening to preacher Bob.

[IAINoodle]

@NSgreenRegime haha well put

[JustSpectre]

Well, it's WGT. It's not a pagan only fest. I believe there in pagan village are many people who are not even pagans. They just came to have a look and to listen to some good music. Many goths like paganism so there is no problem. And if anyone claims that paganism is 100% natural he or she probably lives in a cave or straw hut :-D

[czernozub2]

You say degeneration. I say fuking sexy degeneration ;)

[candjim]

I am of the belief that one aspect of paganism is about freedom of personal expression; as well as respecting other forms of individual expression!! I don't understand what the problem is??

[Theiasember]

Goth/Music/Renaissance festival with some riske' costumes...

[MrsLetsgocamping]

AS IF PAGANS LOOKED LIKE THESE SLEAZY DRUGGED UP IDIOTS TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO

[EnchantedCreatrix]

It's just a music festival, seriously, chill. So what, they like dressing goth, who cares? That isn't bad, nor does it denote that they are or aren't pagan, it's Germany, the goth look is fashionable there, and they aren't hurting anyone. In the US the popular pagan look is kindof hippieish, in the UK is a bit more reserved but Druidic robes are popular, the clothing is a regional fashion thing, don't judge. Besides, Faun (the musicians) are awesome! And the Viking fight is random lol.

[arktikgraywolf]

There was a couple wearin gothic clothes, thats not paganism, its idiotism.

[maralily]

With all due respect, what these people personally believe is their business, not anyone else's. As for how they dress- what does that have to do with what they believe? Are you saying a person cannot wear black or sexy clothes and be pagan?

[oceanospotamos]

i just wanna say that paganism is not degeneration or any kind of degenerate behaviour.paganism is not a fashion or a style...it's a way of life,100% natural!

[maralily]

What do you classify as degenerate behavior? Dressing in sexy clothing?

[MrsLetsgocamping]

@maralily yeah, perverted dark ugly messes. as if that's "pagan"

people are so confused and out of touch

as if thats what pagans looked and acted like two thousand years ago!

[NSgreenRegime]

@MrsLetsgocamping Paganism goes with nature, times and the present spiritual feelings, it does not give the illusion of organization and objective 'ways', therefore pagan expression will naturally vary throughout the population in accordance with the diversity of group expressions.

To oppose this in such a way is the same as imposing one's view on others, as if you're in a position to govern their free expression. Yes these pagans have a goth, witch vibe, that's their expression, end of story.

[jwadiak]

@oceanospotamos It is not degeneration it is a revolt against the official doctrine that has been crammed down the throats of the masses without the ability to evaluate anything else!

[DeapSilentComplete]

@oceanospotamos yes and i can see where you would maybe get the idea that this is degeneration since it seems to come off as a fad, which is frankly how most non pagans see it as a "goth" or "emo" fad. Personally i am goth and i am also pagan and this video offended me somewhat. I think something that appeals the goths to paganism and you should be happy for it is that it accepts anybody where as if you are christian you supposed to be seen as "normal". For most of us its not a "fad"

[perspectiveck]

@maralily I think it's just that SOME people feed into the attention of it. *shrugs*

[Realiteit01]

Well, none-Celtic/Germanics on a pagan festival (1:02) is indeed gegeneration.

The fetish clothes also.

[88devices]

they just like to dress out... i believe, that only a few of them know what word "pagan" stands for:) anyway, this is a nice way to celebrate the freedom of one´s spirit

[MrsLetsgocamping]

@88devices this? an expression of one's spirit? this is perversion, darkness, and pain. they should NOT even be ALLOWED to call themselves pagan.

as if the peaceful natural beautiful pagan peoples looked and acted like that two thousand years ago!

[DarkAngelrace]

haha.. agreed!

I guess the important thing though, is what you believe in.

And Im sorry to maybe question the beliefs of these people, but what esactly are the worshipping? Or respecting? idk...

but w,e. nvm...

[moldovlah]

Fantastica degradare!