I find it interesting that diesel's hold their value better in the US and UK. In Australia we couldn't give a shit about fuel economy and mostly just like to go fast enough to run over some kangaroos and dingos.
People that say if I could afford x number of dollars for a car, then I'm not going to car about the gas prices. What an asinine comment. If you can save money on fuel then you have more money for other things.
@godofcs36 Yes but for some people getting the better gas mileage of the diesel may offset the price of service, not to mention that Diesels usually last a lot longer than gas engines and their parts don't need replacing as often. Oil changes and air filters should be similarly priced, and with the savings at the gas pump the 335d may get new customers that otherwise couldn't afford a BMW but can simply because the gas savings gives more money to pay for repairs.
@johnnyo032003 and i can prove that fact where diesels last longer my mum had a 1996 ford mondeo 1.8 diesel and did 220,000 without any engine repairs just general upkeep eg. belts replaced, oil, air filters the only thing that gave out in the end was the gearbox.
One thing I hear coming up in these diesel v gasoline debates is that the extra torque of the diesel is irrelevant because much of it is lost through the powertrain before it gets to the wheels. The result is you have less torque at the wheels, which is what matters because that's what gets you moving. Somebody correct me if my understanding is wrong.
@NashvilleKildCountry the torque from the 335d is measured at the wheels, also whp. this is a german car not an american. american carmakers measure their power figures directly at the engien. so I dont understand what you are talking about?
?? The 335d at the time had 285hp and 600NM Torque. The 335i at the time had 306hp. The current cars now have 299hp & 600NM Torque and 306hp respectively.
@586mich You know this is really interesting. I would like to ask why 2.82 but not 2 83? However, if gas prices would have increased in the US parallel to the inflation rate, a gallon of regular gas should have been 1.88 a gallon.
The Jetta TDI on the other hand, makes a lot more sense than this one. No it's not more economical than a prius, but it's more powerful, sportier, and, most importantly, a lot cheaper.
Real luxury car buyers won't care about the 36mpg, they'd get a 335i. Real milage-oriented drivers won't pay that amount of money just to get 36mpg, which isn't really outstanding among high-milage cars. This isn't the sportiest, nor is it the most economical, nor is it the cheapest, so why buy it.
Seriously why is diesel more expensive than gas in the US? They keep on talking about CO2 emissions, hybrid, hydrogen cell, electric cars etc. In the mean time why they don't necourage diesel by reducing the price of the diesel fuel so that less CO2 emissions as well as less fuel consumption in the overall? There is scam going on here Oil companies does not want to lose their profit margin. In few years you will pay the same for your prius what you pay for your V8 SUV today.
@Fussinated diesel is more expensive to make. Something to do with cracking the cells or something. Fuck knows, but it is more expensive for that reason.
@dalesteel Then why it is not more expensive anywhere else? In europe it is less expensive for example. That is why diesel cars are an alternative to hybrids. But why diesel is more expensive in the US?
@Fussinated no..... diesel is more expensive in the UK too. about 10p (20 cent)/Litre more. You probably find some euro countries have less duty on diesel has its more enviromentally friendly. But UK likes to rip its residents off, I'm guessings its dearer in the USA because there is not as much demand for it, so the USA's buying power for diesel barols is probably less. I think alot of your stations dont even sell diesel....right????
@dalesteel OK I had to be more specific the price of diesel in Europe is between the Midgrade and premium. Regular is cheaper thandiesel. In the US diesel is more than premium gas price by a margin of minimum 25 cnts.
Yes diesel is not sold widely in the US and that is why I said what I said in the first place. If diesel got cheaper and people started to use diesel, the oil companies would lose a lot of money. An average American drives 33 miles a day. This country is quite big. >>
@dalesteel Again this is a big country. There is more than 1 car per person. So, again if we calculate that if we increase average fuel consumption by 1 (one) mpg, oil companies lose about 10 Billion US$ a year. This is for 1 mpg increase. If 1/4 of the cars become diesel. Say, normal cars burn 20 mpg and diesels will burn 30 mpg av. This will increase av mpg by 1/2 causing oil companies to lose 5 Billion a year. It is supply and demand but demand is controlled by the supplier.
@dalesteel 2-) The average Britishit drives 2 miles a day. They complain that they pay about 3 times more than the Americans while Americans drives 16.5 times more longer distance a day. if the car has 16.5 mpg an American burns 2 gallons a day while the Brit would be burning 0.12 gallons a day. 8 $ a day vs 48 cent a day. If American start driving diesel, mpg doubles to 33, the oil companies lose 4$ vs 24 cents. If you expand this to a nation why Diesel is cheap in US becomes clearer.
@Fussinated not at all. Do you think oil companys rely on sales to America? Oil is not everlasting. When its gone its gone. Whether they sell it now or in 30 years time (for alot more money) they dont care. What are you getting at????
@Fussinated if thats the case why does europe use more diesel. Europe is about the same size as america, so therefore by the same token, Oil companys would be trying to keep europe on Petrol......
@dalesteel What is average daily distance a european driver drives his/her car? At best 5 miles, not even that. that much distance diesel costs even more than gas, if you consider the warming up the disel to operate in its optimum efficiency. In US avreage driver drives 33 miles ( I said this before) more 6 times of the average driver in Europe.
Now, What is it you are trying to refute what I say? More importantly why? Do you think that oil companies are innocent, human loving companies?
@dalesteel You know the meaning of the word AVERAGE right? You make 400 miles a week other 20 people make 10 miles a week.
Ok Fifth gear says 40 % of trips in UK is under 2 miles.
youtube.com/watch?v=ml2sPeCQIJw
So my deduction is 100 % of them should be around 2 miles. BUt definitely not more than 5 miles Average. You can check for the correct number from a world almanac.
@Fussinated I dont agree with tainted figures promoted by fifth gear. I can tell you the average yearly mileage for a UK car is 12,000. Which is why service intervals are 12k Miles or 12 Month. Therefore the average weekly mileage is... 231 Miles per week. Dont listen to distorted truths. That I can tell you is a fact. Simply pick any uk car and look at the service intervals. 12month or 12000 miles because thats the yearly average.
@dalesteel I don't agree with you. adjusting service intervals yearly has nothing to do with how many miles a car is driven. In France the intervals is 10K intervals, etc (at least the last time I know it was).
OK, according to UK gov. statistics average distance travelled by car yearly is 5468 miles, in 2008 (you can do google search driving stats uk). This means daily 15 miles. So, I was off but you are off too.
@dalesteel Aslo according to, US depratment of tranportation, average driver travles 29 miles a day (including bikes, cars, light trucks and SUV's), 131 Billions of gallons of fuel ( no data about the year).
This makes the av. American driver travel two times more than the UK av. driver.
32 M cars in UK
143 M cars in US.
OK enough already regardless how much math i bring to you you will not accept. So do your own research and do your own math.
@Fussinated my point is that oil companys are not trying to keep America on petrol. It makes no sence. You telling me US civilians do more miles yearly than there euro counterparts does not prove your point.
@dalesteel "my point is that oil companys are not trying to keep America on petrol. It makes no sence."
And What are they trying to do? make diesel more appealing and help americans pay less on fuel?
"You telling me US civilians do more miles yearly than there euro counterparts does not prove your point."
Well, yes, sorry I can't make the brains of those oil company managers visible for people to see what they think. All I can do is to reason and make simple math.
@Pablosammy1 "Do your research, dumbass. Only North American 335d's use DEF. Simple fact. I should know, I drive one."
Huh! come to think of it you are right vagina head. Filthy europeans don't use urea in their diesel. Then I will correct what I said in the US BMW, and Mercedes diesel are not practical at all. You Britishit pigs do 2 miles average a day, we drive here 33 miles a day average. So, we don;t need BMW's with extra money sucking specs. But, vagina head, you are right about EU.
Maybe in U.S has 335i 300 hp and diesel 335 d has 265 becuase in EU a bmw 335i has 306 hp and 300 torque and a diesel have 286HP nout 265 and 430 torque!
@The88Shadow Could be due to the lower octane fuel America uses. Standard unleaded here is 95, premium is 98. In the States, standard is 91-92. Just a thought.
He was wrong about the cost of diesel last year. It was equal to or more than 93 octane gasoline. Now it's even worse. That advantage has disappeared. Having said that, I would still get the 335d over the 335i. I'm a former diesel truck owner(two 3500 Rams) so i am well aware of the better deal that diesels still offer.
I have a Chysler 300 Hemi now and I certainly wish it had this BMW diesel.
Yes 4500 ccm more 1500 but think diesel got Turbine. NOOB
And how much cost repair and nice BLA THINGS why they make petrol then Because its bad thing to do petrols ? NOPE think 2 times in 5 years diesel cost more DIESEL COST MORE FOR REPAIRING its proven who uses diesel They pray to not be braken, when petrol brakes its 50 percent less cost
You can get two Prius for the price of one 335d. But that there are alot of us that care about what we drive, rather than being eco friendly. The Prius is ok in town, but it sucks gas when loaded with passengers and a trunk full of luggage. There are some highways in the US with a speed limit of 80 MPH, the faster you drive a Prius the more gas it sucks. BMW's were made for speed and are much more comfortable, plus the 335d gets better mpg cruising at 85 than the prius. For me BMW all the way.
@pelepihuamo - the prius is not environmental. you can drive an land rover discovery 3 for 25 + years and then you wouldnt reach the amount of co2 which the prius when its under assembly, because the batteries are built with nickel etc, and toyota have to transport all the prius's components , which sends out over 4 million g/km after the car is finally built. so before it has ever been driven it has let out over what the land rover disco do in over 25 years! how on earth would anyone buy this?
@mzb007, You are right. The Prius is not eco friendly after considering all of those factors, and when the batteries die you have to properly dispose of them. Oh and its ugly and a bad performer. Here in the States the prius got very famous only because Celebrities started driving them, just to look like they care. I hope the public notices that hybrids are not all that great, and start buying more diesel vehicles. With a bigger demand we'll get better diesel cars, like you guys have in Europe.
You certainly did make your case. I am living in Europe, and it makes the diesel even more interesting here. And for the speed, well, I always liked the 335 i but what this 335 d does is phenomenal.
@mzb007 We sell 97 octane in the US however its extremely hard to find stations that sell it, also you can find 110 octane leaded fuel for vintage cars. That is also the reason the European models have a slight more horsepower in Europe. My trick is that I mix in 1 gallon of AVGAS with a full tank especially in the winter time on the East Coast. I have seen countries where the highest octane is 83.
"Number that really matters [Torque]"... LOL. I'm surprised someone who clearly wants to be taken seriously as a car journalist doesn't know how torque and power relate to performance. Torque is NOT more important than power - something that is clearly demonstrated by the performance figures of these two cars. The diesel NEEDS the extra torque to compensate for its narrower power band and longer gear ratios.
I can't stand people giving comments on Torque vs. HP without even knowing what the difference is - just go through the comments here. HP is the engines ability to turn the wheels -> acceleration and speed. Torque is the amount of force the engine can produce on the crank -> suppleness and less gear changing. This is the reason why most manufactores search for high rev engines for more power.
@71Kongen If you knew so much about torque and power, you'd know the two are interrelated by a fixed relationship - Power = Torque x Engine speed. The only reason petrol-powered cars can quote higher power values is because they rev higher. How much of your driving do you do at 6000rpm? In real-world driving at 1000-3500 rpm, diesels typically accelerate quicker compared to similar sized petrol engines.
Things are complicated by turbo lag etc, but the latest twin-scrolls are almost lagless.
I don't think they factored in the cost to maintain the cars other than fuel. Diesels normally cost more to service, with more expensive parts compared to gasolines.
It makes me sick when i watch any diesel car review made by americans. It seems like americans underestimate diesels very much, which is completely wrong. Any diesel, even the 4 cilinder ones feel much stronger and are faster than 4 cilinder petrol versions with same power output. Diesels just have so much torque, even the basic 320d feels more powerful than 70hp stronger 330i.
@derbigpr500 Did you not watch or listen to this review? It was 100% positively in-favor of the 335d "oil burner." I don't see how anyone can watch this video and claim that the reviewer "underestimated" the diesel 3-Series.
The reason that they had the 545i instead of the 535i in that episode was because there is about 0.1 or 0.2 seconds difference between the 535d & 535i to 62mph (100kph), which means the Diesel would of been quicker out of the corners
Side by side, the 335d will get off faster at the starting line, but yes, the m3 would overtake it quickly as a result of a 3 liter twin turbo inline 6 facing off against a 4 liter V-8. don't think that the class difference between the two cars is that important however....a Dinanized 335 can hold its own against an m3
Its mentionable because having 125 more lb-ft of torque is quite a one up over the m3. Raw horses are important, but how fast the engine can move the car body is just as important.
Torque is not as important. Power is what gets your round a track quicker than your rival, not torque, which is why the 335i is quicker than the 'd' despite having much less torque and less than 20bhp more. If Torque was as you say just as important as power, then we'd see far more diesel supercars.
Show me a single LAP time demonstrating the advantage of extra torque. People who maintain that 'torque wins races' do not understand physics. A diesel may have greater PEAK torque, but a petrol can maintain its torque at far higher RPM. In other words, a petrol engine can keep on applying force (hence, acceleration) to the wheels, long after a diesel has run out of torque. This is why diesels require turbocharging.
Whatever kiddo. The evidence seems to suggest that power is what matters, as I PROVED in my previous post. You explain to me why, despite the huge difference in torque, the 335i is quicker than the 335d.
You don't seem to understand. My comment was in response to the implication that torque is just as important as power. If that were true, the ~20bhp difference between the two would not offset the huge difference in peak torque, and the 335d would be much quicker.
Horsepower is just a number calculated by the amount of torque over a range of rpm, so to say that power is more important than torque is kind of ignorant. Anyways, look up Audi R10 TDI in Le Mans and Sebring and you'll see exactly why I say that TDI dominates on the track.
having owned a 35 d and now a 35i i can say that in real world driving the 35i does not feel ant quicker than my 35d did, it doesnt have the torque to push you when overtaking, but, it does have the higher rev range to work with giving more power delivery per gear. End of the day they are both stunning cars to drive and exceptional cars in their own right.
In Germany the 335d with 286BHP is only 0.4 seconds slower to 62mph than a 335i and 0,1 faster than a 330i. How often a day are you on a racing track compared to how often do you overtake people on normal roads ?
And thats where the 335d wins. Its got a good push in your back, throws you forward and i passed the car before you've even shifted. And on the next fuel station i smile whilst you cry.^^
Besides: the 335d is easy to tune. Simple Engine Remap brings you 330bhp and 700 Newton Metres.
A 535d is faster on the top gear track than a Nissan 350z. faster than a 130i and faster than a SLK 350. Even faster than the 480bhp RS6 (though that one was on wet, but it has AWD)
1. Wrong, the 350z has about the same Power than the 535d (280 vs. 286) plus the huge weight advantage (1600 vs. 1800kg). How come the Nissan doesn't pull away ? Shitty transmission probably.
2. The 130i is down on Power slightly yes, it has 265BHP vs. the 272 of the BMW then. Weight advantage 130i (1450 vs. 1800kg) ;) The SLK may be a merc, yes, but it had exactly the same power output (272 BHP).
3. On a wet track the RS6 was slower (as you apparently didn't read) at least it had AWD which may give it a slight plus on wet tracks. On a dry track it of course would pull away. No doubt there.
the 130i is 261 BHP against 286, hardly significant when you think about the size, power/weight ratio. Same goes for the 350z, its supposed to be a straight sports coupe yet only managed the same time as a 4 door family saloon?!?! I think his demonstration of diesel v petrol is pretty strong, also check out who has won the le mans, is that not a diesel!?!
None of that in any way demonstrates an advantage for diesels. They do well at Le Mans for the simple fact that that they use less fuel and therefore require fewer pit stops, saving time.
I was once a firm believer in the importance of torque, but just couldn't find evidence justifying that belief. The RX8 is an excellent case in point; there is no evidence suggesting performance is being limited by its rather anaemic 160 lb ft. of torque.
I like 425 lb of torque.That's the power that moves you.Good long lasting car.I can't decide between the E class or this.But this looks that if feels sportier.
I don't buy a diesel for racing.I buy it for economy and reliability or pulling my glider. Don't know what you were implying. Try spending cash for a M5.Its not gonna happen. But It will for me.And I bet you got a limiter to 155 so try keeping up with a tuned edition.What the hell you talkin about?? lol
Torque is a very misunderstood concept. Torque is demultiplied by the transmission, the less revvy the engine the more it'll be demultiplied, traded in for wheel speed. AT THE WHEELS a 335i has about as much torque down low as a 335d at the same speed and gear, a bit more up top (hence a bit more power).
have to slightly disagree here, having previously owned a d i cant see massive difference between them stock, a tuned 35i would piss it and an m3 no doubt but in stock form doing everyday driving its not a massive difference between them at all. Had my 35i for a while now and i love it but it does lack the feeling the torque in the 35d gives you. Just my 2 pence worth having owned both cars.
The 3 series is the bread and butter of the company and magazine after magazine rate it their top choice for many reasons. I just saw last night the new body style ( sort of ) of the 2012 BMW 3 series coming out in 2011 though. It's incredible. So the problem is people are just out there saying the M3 is going to have the same engine but with a twin turbo. That would be super amazing and crazy but the X6M has 555hp which is 141hp difference. Diesel is very popular now from what I hear.
That's right a Honda CIvic or a Toyota Prius....about 50 miles to the gallon and super fricken reliable too. Big deal!! The 335d and the 750 Hydrogen car are made to please the general public to show that BMW can do anything it set's their minds to and clean up the earth to plz the tree huggers. People who buy a BMW are drivers not tree huggers.
Have I made my case yet?? You're fucking gay!! I just got a 2010 BMW M3 with yes less torque then a 335i or 335d. Let's compare the cars. BMW lemon lawed the car for me....I had a 2007 335i with high pressure fuel pumps going bad on it every 5k. That's for one. The M3 is so damn fast I am saving up money for my bail for when I get into trouble with the law. M3 handles so gracefully. The 335i is very fast but the 335d is for the tight wads of America who are trying to "SAVE" money. Go buy a CIvic
when he was mentioning the 425 lb. ft torque in the 335d, I knew he was going to mention that it has more than an M car but, he could've said the M6 (the flagship of the M's) which has 383 lb. ft. torque! ... (but the M6 can whoop pretty much almost any car it wants to on the road today)
I'm glad you said ALMOST. But to be honest, I would take this 4 door sedan over the M6 in one second. Better MPG, more seating and cargo room. Oh and BTW, in the streets (Los Angeles) the M6 has no chance in keeping up with the 335d. Thats a fact!
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you euro drivers pay out the ass for gas. in AMERICA we pay a fraction of the costs... so you have cleaner cars? who cares! at least we get to drive ours without having to worry about our bank accounts. The open road is an American quality. why waste your money on a nice car in europe when the socialists in power will punnish you for it? Move to the land of the Free my friends.
The Price you pay for gas...is less but if you factor everything else. University..(25000+year per child) Europe Free, Health Insurance..13000 year, ..it all averages out to the same..imagine being to actually drive the car at speeds designed for...on roads designed for speed with drivers who drive rather then cruise..@ 60-90 mph (without getting stopped..)...You need to visit the world a see how good it is outside..the U.S..
@8motion drive on a US highway first and tell me who is doing under 60 MPH?? Most ppl wont get stopped if they keep it under 80. Your smoking Euro crack
@keithkerbe 80 is slow buddy..BMW smooth out over 90. drivers in the u.s do not drive safely at speed. follow under two second rule, and have suv that with one false move...are rolling over... and over...
@8motion The days of SUV's in every driveway are over my US hating friend. Where do you drive over 90 MPH without getting pulled over?? it says you live in canada?? lol And im sure they have plenty of bad drivers all over the world..not just in my country. That last comment was just flat out ignorant.
In America they use a different type of Diesel/Gas because of the strict emmisons regulations. So you can say that the Diesel/gas is a little bit worse thenhere in europe.
In Europe we have lower sulfer levels in our diesel, and that's why this BMW has add-blue in the US. If you had the same type of diesel as we have here in Europe your diesels wound'nt have to use add-blue.
It is also because of your "low quality" diesel fuel this car makes less power that the one we have here in Europe.
clean diesel is offered in Canada and I think in the u.s as well ( less sulfer) maybe not to the standards of europe..but the west is backwards in many ways.. i.e. no high speed trains...
The only way to be truly impressed with the 335d is to drive one. The only way to be unimpressed is to not drive one. I own one, and it kicks ass (better than my 'Stang GT). Great video on real world considerations.
I find it interesting that diesel's hold their value better in the US and UK. In Australia we couldn't give a shit about fuel economy and mostly just like to go fast enough to run over some kangaroos and dingos.
osc833 2 months ago
is it true that if the bmw 335d is in a hot place the motor will perform a little bit worse then the 335i?
MrSezoNL 2 months ago
People that say if I could afford x number of dollars for a car, then I'm not going to car about the gas prices. What an asinine comment. If you can save money on fuel then you have more money for other things.
goofntz 2 months ago
FUCK DIESEL!!!!!!!!:@:@:@:@
Gluvich 4 months ago
@Gluvich fuck you
MrThemolehole 4 months ago
@MrThemolehole fuck your ugly diesel mother u motherfucker! :@
Gluvich 4 months ago
If I could afford a 40K plus car, I wouldn't care how much gas costs!
deanjet 5 months ago 4
when he was saying the gas prices i was like omg thats right gas did used to not be around 4 bucks hahaha
ColtonKuhn1 5 months ago
why does the 335i have a faster 0 to 60 than?
CasinoCollapser 5 months ago
@CasinoCollapser the 335i is lighter, and its not that much faster.
alphaswimmer55 4 months ago
335d is the ultimate 3 series
radar3699 6 months ago 5
@radar3699 You know your shit son! =]
idiotzrule 5 months ago
2.82 a gallon...lol wish it was that cheap today
fanfinmiami 6 months ago 2
@Saugnapf1 Yah, but it is mesured on the wheels.
visiteur00000 6 months ago
I'm pretty sure that if your buying a bmw the amount you spend on gas is the least of your worries. The costly part is service and repairs.
godofcs36 7 months ago
@godofcs36 Yes but for some people getting the better gas mileage of the diesel may offset the price of service, not to mention that Diesels usually last a lot longer than gas engines and their parts don't need replacing as often. Oil changes and air filters should be similarly priced, and with the savings at the gas pump the 335d may get new customers that otherwise couldn't afford a BMW but can simply because the gas savings gives more money to pay for repairs.
johnnyo032003 4 months ago
@johnnyo032003 and i can prove that fact where diesels last longer my mum had a 1996 ford mondeo 1.8 diesel and did 220,000 without any engine repairs just general upkeep eg. belts replaced, oil, air filters the only thing that gave out in the end was the gearbox.
WellImHereNow 4 months ago
One thing I hear coming up in these diesel v gasoline debates is that the extra torque of the diesel is irrelevant because much of it is lost through the powertrain before it gets to the wheels. The result is you have less torque at the wheels, which is what matters because that's what gets you moving. Somebody correct me if my understanding is wrong.
NashvilleKildCountry 7 months ago
@NashvilleKildCountry Torque is mesured on the wheels not in the engine.
visiteur00000 7 months ago
@NashvilleKildCountry the torque from the 335d is measured at the wheels, also whp. this is a german car not an american. american carmakers measure their power figures directly at the engien. so I dont understand what you are talking about?
MrThemolehole 4 months ago
Tested a BMW 335Xi, and that certainly kicked ass. Amazing car which converted me. Now, the my next car will probably be a BMW.
spiff1003 7 months ago
?? The 335d at the time had 285hp and 600NM Torque. The 335i at the time had 306hp. The current cars now have 299hp & 600NM Torque and 306hp respectively.
SomeRandomer123 8 months ago
Is that cost to drive per mile price include insurance and taxes?
mckeever4656 8 months ago
I wish gas was 2.82 a gallon
586mich 8 months ago
@586mich You know this is really interesting. I would like to ask why 2.82 but not 2 83? However, if gas prices would have increased in the US parallel to the inflation rate, a gallon of regular gas should have been 1.88 a gallon.
Fussinated 8 months ago
i would take a diesel then the 335i i would take the diesel. 400 lbs torque. equal to a damn small block.
12valvepower1 10 months ago
The Jetta TDI on the other hand, makes a lot more sense than this one. No it's not more economical than a prius, but it's more powerful, sportier, and, most importantly, a lot cheaper.
lbryan250 10 months ago
@lbryan250 The Ford Fusion Hybrid makes more sense. 700 mile cruising range on a tank of gas.
trainlinezoo 9 months ago
Real luxury car buyers won't care about the 36mpg, they'd get a 335i. Real milage-oriented drivers won't pay that amount of money just to get 36mpg, which isn't really outstanding among high-milage cars. This isn't the sportiest, nor is it the most economical, nor is it the cheapest, so why buy it.
lbryan250 10 months ago
diesel is power . yes diesel is power
12valvepower1 10 months ago
if it was all about dollars and cents, i'm sure you wouldn't be buying a 40,000 dollar car
creamyfilling102 11 months ago
European 335d has got 286 bhp. Very soon an upgrade of the engine is coming, 300hp! :D
Horngrodis 11 months ago
Seriously why is diesel more expensive than gas in the US? They keep on talking about CO2 emissions, hybrid, hydrogen cell, electric cars etc. In the mean time why they don't necourage diesel by reducing the price of the diesel fuel so that less CO2 emissions as well as less fuel consumption in the overall? There is scam going on here Oil companies does not want to lose their profit margin. In few years you will pay the same for your prius what you pay for your V8 SUV today.
Fussinated 11 months ago
@Fussinated diesel is more expensive to make. Something to do with cracking the cells or something. Fuck knows, but it is more expensive for that reason.
dalesteel 9 months ago
@dalesteel Then why it is not more expensive anywhere else? In europe it is less expensive for example. That is why diesel cars are an alternative to hybrids. But why diesel is more expensive in the US?
Fussinated 9 months ago
@Fussinated no..... diesel is more expensive in the UK too. about 10p (20 cent)/Litre more. You probably find some euro countries have less duty on diesel has its more enviromentally friendly. But UK likes to rip its residents off, I'm guessings its dearer in the USA because there is not as much demand for it, so the USA's buying power for diesel barols is probably less. I think alot of your stations dont even sell diesel....right????
dalesteel 9 months ago
@dalesteel OK I had to be more specific the price of diesel in Europe is between the Midgrade and premium. Regular is cheaper thandiesel. In the US diesel is more than premium gas price by a margin of minimum 25 cnts.
Yes diesel is not sold widely in the US and that is why I said what I said in the first place. If diesel got cheaper and people started to use diesel, the oil companies would lose a lot of money. An average American drives 33 miles a day. This country is quite big. >>
Fussinated 9 months ago
@Fussinated The oil company wont loose money, but the transport infrastructure might. A large amount of cost is transport... Its supply and demand.
dalesteel 9 months ago
@dalesteel Again this is a big country. There is more than 1 car per person. So, again if we calculate that if we increase average fuel consumption by 1 (one) mpg, oil companies lose about 10 Billion US$ a year. This is for 1 mpg increase. If 1/4 of the cars become diesel. Say, normal cars burn 20 mpg and diesels will burn 30 mpg av. This will increase av mpg by 1/2 causing oil companies to lose 5 Billion a year. It is supply and demand but demand is controlled by the supplier.
Fussinated 9 months ago
@dalesteel 2-) The average Britishit drives 2 miles a day. They complain that they pay about 3 times more than the Americans while Americans drives 16.5 times more longer distance a day. if the car has 16.5 mpg an American burns 2 gallons a day while the Brit would be burning 0.12 gallons a day. 8 $ a day vs 48 cent a day. If American start driving diesel, mpg doubles to 33, the oil companies lose 4$ vs 24 cents. If you expand this to a nation why Diesel is cheap in US becomes clearer.
Fussinated 9 months ago
@Fussinated not at all. Do you think oil companys rely on sales to America? Oil is not everlasting. When its gone its gone. Whether they sell it now or in 30 years time (for alot more money) they dont care. What are you getting at????
dalesteel 9 months ago
@dalesteel "not at all. Do you think oil companys rely on sales to America?"
Well the rely on sales and US is their biggest market.
"Oil is not everlasting. When its gone its gone. Whether they sell it now or in 30 years time (for alot more money) they dont care. "
That's why they want to make money out it as much as they can.
"What are you getting at?"
Isn't it obvious? Oil companies prefer American burn gas instead of Deisel since they will lose money otherwise.
Fussinated 9 months ago
@Fussinated if thats the case why does europe use more diesel. Europe is about the same size as america, so therefore by the same token, Oil companys would be trying to keep europe on Petrol......
dalesteel 9 months ago
@dalesteel What is average daily distance a european driver drives his/her car? At best 5 miles, not even that. that much distance diesel costs even more than gas, if you consider the warming up the disel to operate in its optimum efficiency. In US avreage driver drives 33 miles ( I said this before) more 6 times of the average driver in Europe.
Now, What is it you are trying to refute what I say? More importantly why? Do you think that oil companies are innocent, human loving companies?
Fussinated 9 months ago
@Fussinated Well i live in UK and I do 400 Miles a week. I dont know where you get your figures from.
dalesteel 9 months ago
@dalesteel You know the meaning of the word AVERAGE right? You make 400 miles a week other 20 people make 10 miles a week.
Ok Fifth gear says 40 % of trips in UK is under 2 miles.
youtube.com/watch?v=ml2sPeCQIJw
So my deduction is 100 % of them should be around 2 miles. BUt definitely not more than 5 miles Average. You can check for the correct number from a world almanac.
Fussinated 9 months ago
@Fussinated I dont agree with tainted figures promoted by fifth gear. I can tell you the average yearly mileage for a UK car is 12,000. Which is why service intervals are 12k Miles or 12 Month. Therefore the average weekly mileage is... 231 Miles per week. Dont listen to distorted truths. That I can tell you is a fact. Simply pick any uk car and look at the service intervals. 12month or 12000 miles because thats the yearly average.
dalesteel 9 months ago
@dalesteel I don't agree with you. adjusting service intervals yearly has nothing to do with how many miles a car is driven. In France the intervals is 10K intervals, etc (at least the last time I know it was).
OK, according to UK gov. statistics average distance travelled by car yearly is 5468 miles, in 2008 (you can do google search driving stats uk). This means daily 15 miles. So, I was off but you are off too.
What is it you can't accept what I say and why?
Fussinated 9 months ago
@dalesteel Aslo according to, US depratment of tranportation, average driver travles 29 miles a day (including bikes, cars, light trucks and SUV's), 131 Billions of gallons of fuel ( no data about the year).
This makes the av. American driver travel two times more than the UK av. driver.
32 M cars in UK
143 M cars in US.
OK enough already regardless how much math i bring to you you will not accept. So do your own research and do your own math.
Fussinated 9 months ago
@Fussinated my point is that oil companys are not trying to keep America on petrol. It makes no sence. You telling me US civilians do more miles yearly than there euro counterparts does not prove your point.
dalesteel 9 months ago
@dalesteel "my point is that oil companys are not trying to keep America on petrol. It makes no sence."
And What are they trying to do? make diesel more appealing and help americans pay less on fuel?
"You telling me US civilians do more miles yearly than there euro counterparts does not prove your point."
Well, yes, sorry I can't make the brains of those oil company managers visible for people to see what they think. All I can do is to reason and make simple math.
Fussinated 9 months ago
BMW diesel ... yeah right, regardless where do you live, US or europe, the moment you run out of DEF you got stuck wherever you are.
Fussinated 11 months ago
@Fussinated Wrong. We don't use DEF in Europe.
Pablosammy1 10 months ago
@Pablosammy1 Why are you lying?
"Is BMW developing diesel technology that could meet emissions rules without needing urea, even in larger engines?
"Cleaner and more efficient" is a core principal of BMW EfficientDynamics, but there are no breakthroughs to announce at this time."
This time is 2008, and still ne such break through's yet.
If you are talking about VW though thas a different issue, however then I should say you should read before respond.
Fussinated 10 months ago
@Fussinated Do your research, dumbass. Only North American 335d's use DEF. Simple fact. I should know, I drive one.
Pablosammy1 10 months ago
@Pablosammy1 "Do your research, dumbass. Only North American 335d's use DEF. Simple fact. I should know, I drive one."
Huh! come to think of it you are right vagina head. Filthy europeans don't use urea in their diesel. Then I will correct what I said in the US BMW, and Mercedes diesel are not practical at all. You Britishit pigs do 2 miles average a day, we drive here 33 miles a day average. So, we don;t need BMW's with extra money sucking specs. But, vagina head, you are right about EU.
Fussinated 10 months ago
Maybe in U.S has 335i 300 hp and diesel 335 d has 265 becuase in EU a bmw 335i has 306 hp and 300 torque and a diesel have 286HP nout 265 and 430 torque!
The88Shadow 11 months ago
@The88Shadow Could be due to the lower octane fuel America uses. Standard unleaded here is 95, premium is 98. In the States, standard is 91-92. Just a thought.
Pablosammy1 10 months ago
Diesel loses
lol to much expensive. for services special
Makeshoot 11 months ago
I <3 diesel
jet62095 1 year ago
He was wrong about the cost of diesel last year. It was equal to or more than 93 octane gasoline. Now it's even worse. That advantage has disappeared. Having said that, I would still get the 335d over the 335i. I'm a former diesel truck owner(two 3500 Rams) so i am well aware of the better deal that diesels still offer.
I have a Chysler 300 Hemi now and I certainly wish it had this BMW diesel.
dieseldog00 1 year ago
i just got the 335D fully loaded...oh man I am in love! The drive is just sooo sick!
i2ad10head 1 year ago
Yes 4500 ccm more 1500 but think diesel got Turbine. NOOB
And how much cost repair and nice BLA THINGS why they make petrol then Because its bad thing to do petrols ? NOPE think 2 times in 5 years diesel cost more DIESEL COST MORE FOR REPAIRING its proven who uses diesel They pray to not be braken, when petrol brakes its 50 percent less cost
Makeshoot 1 year ago
Yes 4500 ccm more 1500 but think diesel got Turbine. NOOB
Makeshoot 1 year ago
autoNOOBs
wolfshark1 1 year ago
i like the tap to start you gave lol!
10jmsoccer 1 year ago
335i: 306HP, 400Nm
335d: 286HP, 580Nm. This is correct!
zljun 1 year ago
GO DIESEL!!!!!!!!!!!
topgearfan1997 1 year ago
Why do they keep showing a wagon? The US got neither the 335i/xi or 335d in wagon form, unfortunately.
Streetracingpunk72 1 year ago
In sweden it is, 335d(299hp/600nm) 335i(306hp/xxxNM)
morrarN 1 year ago
You can get two Prius for the price of one 335d. But that there are alot of us that care about what we drive, rather than being eco friendly. The Prius is ok in town, but it sucks gas when loaded with passengers and a trunk full of luggage. There are some highways in the US with a speed limit of 80 MPH, the faster you drive a Prius the more gas it sucks. BMW's were made for speed and are much more comfortable, plus the 335d gets better mpg cruising at 85 than the prius. For me BMW all the way.
pelepihuamo 1 year ago
@pelepihuamo - the prius is not environmental. you can drive an land rover discovery 3 for 25 + years and then you wouldnt reach the amount of co2 which the prius when its under assembly, because the batteries are built with nickel etc, and toyota have to transport all the prius's components , which sends out over 4 million g/km after the car is finally built. so before it has ever been driven it has let out over what the land rover disco do in over 25 years! how on earth would anyone buy this?
mzb007 1 year ago
@mzb007, You are right. The Prius is not eco friendly after considering all of those factors, and when the batteries die you have to properly dispose of them. Oh and its ugly and a bad performer. Here in the States the prius got very famous only because Celebrities started driving them, just to look like they care. I hope the public notices that hybrids are not all that great, and start buying more diesel vehicles. With a bigger demand we'll get better diesel cars, like you guys have in Europe.
pelepihuamo 1 year ago
Evolve in the UK chipped a 335i and the 335d and the diesel was quicker around a track 1/10 sec, they couldn't believe it.
Sound it makes not sexy, but not a bucket of bolts at all.
No large capacity V8 can touch this diesel in the range of 1,750 - 3,000rpm.
It's actually breathes pretty good in the final 1,000rpm, but what it does down low is amazing.
I drove a GT335i last week and it's a great engine (super smooth) but just doesn't have the same punch for traffic.
Drive one, it will win you...
MrFiddy9 1 year ago
diesel sound like tractor shit
ssinan001 1 year ago
anywhere elsein world diesel is way 2 cheaper then in state there for u save twice.
vatan1923 1 year ago
You certainly did make your case. I am living in Europe, and it makes the diesel even more interesting here. And for the speed, well, I always liked the 335 i but what this 335 d does is phenomenal.
Joke9972 1 year ago
Why have the 335d only 265 hp in the US, when in Europe its 286?
Is the Diesel and Petrol so bad? Here in Europe, premium is 98, not 91 :)
mzb007 1 year ago
@mzb007 We sell 97 octane in the US however its extremely hard to find stations that sell it, also you can find 110 octane leaded fuel for vintage cars. That is also the reason the European models have a slight more horsepower in Europe. My trick is that I mix in 1 gallon of AVGAS with a full tank especially in the winter time on the East Coast. I have seen countries where the highest octane is 83.
GunsOfThePhoenix 1 year ago
@mzb007 Well its 299 today, atleast for the 535d and before they had 286. In Sweden.
morrarN 1 year ago
@morrarN - Sweden is Europe? jævla svenske, hold kjeft
mzb007 1 year ago
HAHA the 335d has 286 hp loooool and 580 nm xD
Ermed 1 year ago
"Number that really matters [Torque]"... LOL. I'm surprised someone who clearly wants to be taken seriously as a car journalist doesn't know how torque and power relate to performance. Torque is NOT more important than power - something that is clearly demonstrated by the performance figures of these two cars. The diesel NEEDS the extra torque to compensate for its narrower power band and longer gear ratios.
BigGee84 1 year ago
Why didn't they review ones with the M sport package?
XxNaSaHxX 1 year ago
I can't stand people giving comments on Torque vs. HP without even knowing what the difference is - just go through the comments here. HP is the engines ability to turn the wheels -> acceleration and speed. Torque is the amount of force the engine can produce on the crank -> suppleness and less gear changing. This is the reason why most manufactores search for high rev engines for more power.
71Kongen 1 year ago
@71Kongen If you knew so much about torque and power, you'd know the two are interrelated by a fixed relationship - Power = Torque x Engine speed. The only reason petrol-powered cars can quote higher power values is because they rev higher. How much of your driving do you do at 6000rpm? In real-world driving at 1000-3500 rpm, diesels typically accelerate quicker compared to similar sized petrol engines.
Things are complicated by turbo lag etc, but the latest twin-scrolls are almost lagless.
Pablosammy1 1 year ago
Why did he even bother comparing the torque of the 335d (425) with the M3 (295) when the M3 even has less torque than the 335i (300)?
dtaylorxdm 1 year ago
I don't think they factored in the cost to maintain the cars other than fuel. Diesels normally cost more to service, with more expensive parts compared to gasolines.
alstound 1 year ago
@alstound
First 4 years BMW has free maintenance.
MistaM5 1 year ago
@MistaM5 not in Europe. 2 years warranty only
71Kongen 1 year ago
@alstound But you don't have a spark plug to worry about, just a glow one.
unknownunknowns 1 year ago
Kind of a boring chunky monkey - isn't he?
commiedog 1 year ago
BMW - The Ultimate Joy Ride.
texasoperastar 1 year ago
Dear Sir, all that counts is HP = TORQUE x R.P.M.
Torque without RPM is nothing !
OnTheLimits 1 year ago
Hey, Ron Doron... my first name is Doron... weird
DPGodson 1 year ago
It makes me sick when i watch any diesel car review made by americans. It seems like americans underestimate diesels very much, which is completely wrong. Any diesel, even the 4 cilinder ones feel much stronger and are faster than 4 cilinder petrol versions with same power output. Diesels just have so much torque, even the basic 320d feels more powerful than 70hp stronger 330i.
derbigpr500 1 year ago
@derbigpr500 Did you not watch or listen to this review? It was 100% positively in-favor of the 335d "oil burner." I don't see how anyone can watch this video and claim that the reviewer "underestimated" the diesel 3-Series.
Gradeau 1 year ago
@derbigpr: dude, that's exactly what he's saying, diesels are better.
OnTheLimits 1 year ago
Top Gear has shown that the 335d cannot keep up. If you are looking for economy go for it, but if you want speed get the 335i!
I would take either!
cjdontthink2 2 years ago
you are an idiot! top gear had the 535d vs 545i which has 1500cc more than the disel!
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S1And3r0n 1 year ago
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The reason that they had the 545i instead of the 535i in that episode was because there is about 0.1 or 0.2 seconds difference between the 535d & 535i to 62mph (100kph), which means the Diesel would of been quicker out of the corners
Which Top Gear wouldnt of wanted.
S1And3r0n 1 year ago
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candywrapp 1 year ago
@candywrapp what is you point dick?
zivotjesuv 1 year ago
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candywrapp 1 year ago
@candywrapp I see you have set a side this special time to humiliate yourself on YouTube.
zivotjesuv 1 year ago
@zivotjesuv even still. 416 ft lbs torque in 3400 lbs. mmmmmmmmm
12valvepower1 10 months ago
the efficiency makes the increased cost of diesel a wash over gas.
12valvepower1 10 months ago
@cjdontthink2 To elaborate what zivotjesuv said, the 535d did sort of keep up with the 545i, despite the 545i's initial acceleration.
unknownunknowns 1 year ago
Side by side, the 335d will get off faster at the starting line, but yes, the m3 would overtake it quickly as a result of a 3 liter twin turbo inline 6 facing off against a 4 liter V-8. don't think that the class difference between the two cars is that important however....a Dinanized 335 can hold its own against an m3
Rhino7810 2 years ago
Its mentionable because having 125 more lb-ft of torque is quite a one up over the m3. Raw horses are important, but how fast the engine can move the car body is just as important.
Rhino7810 2 years ago
Torque is not as important. Power is what gets your round a track quicker than your rival, not torque, which is why the 335i is quicker than the 'd' despite having much less torque and less than 20bhp more. If Torque was as you say just as important as power, then we'd see far more diesel supercars.
BigGee84 2 years ago
@BigGee84 Lol really? Look up Le Mans Audi diesels. That might slap your perspective back into reality.
jtyler11688 2 years ago
Show me a single LAP time demonstrating the advantage of extra torque. People who maintain that 'torque wins races' do not understand physics. A diesel may have greater PEAK torque, but a petrol can maintain its torque at far higher RPM. In other words, a petrol engine can keep on applying force (hence, acceleration) to the wheels, long after a diesel has run out of torque. This is why diesels require turbocharging.
BigGee84 2 years ago
And yet... they still dominate on the track.
jtyler11688 2 years ago
Whatever kiddo. The evidence seems to suggest that power is what matters, as I PROVED in my previous post. You explain to me why, despite the huge difference in torque, the 335i is quicker than the 335d.
BigGee84 1 year ago
Because BMW dont want the Diesel to be quicker than the petrol.
They puposefully build the diesel like that, although they could easily get about another 40 - 50 bhp outta the 335d (stock)
Audi TDi & Peugeot HDi to win Le Mans this year again =]
S1And3r0n 1 year ago
You don't seem to understand. My comment was in response to the implication that torque is just as important as power. If that were true, the ~20bhp difference between the two would not offset the huge difference in peak torque, and the 335d would be much quicker.
BigGee84 1 year ago
Thats what i meant too lol
They could of made the 335d quicker. But didnt want to, cause that would wouldnt be at all right in the right Real World lol
S1And3r0n 1 year ago
Horsepower is just a number calculated by the amount of torque over a range of rpm, so to say that power is more important than torque is kind of ignorant. Anyways, look up Audi R10 TDI in Le Mans and Sebring and you'll see exactly why I say that TDI dominates on the track.
Kiddo.
jtyler11688 1 year ago
having owned a 35 d and now a 35i i can say that in real world driving the 35i does not feel ant quicker than my 35d did, it doesnt have the torque to push you when overtaking, but, it does have the higher rev range to work with giving more power delivery per gear. End of the day they are both stunning cars to drive and exceptional cars in their own right.
jonlake1983 1 year ago
In Germany the 335d with 286BHP is only 0.4 seconds slower to 62mph than a 335i and 0,1 faster than a 330i. How often a day are you on a racing track compared to how often do you overtake people on normal roads ?
And thats where the 335d wins. Its got a good push in your back, throws you forward and i passed the car before you've even shifted. And on the next fuel station i smile whilst you cry.^^
Besides: the 335d is easy to tune. Simple Engine Remap brings you 330bhp and 700 Newton Metres.
ThirdLife86 1 year ago
1. In sub-7 second 0-60 dashes, 0.4 seconds is significant, and actually greater than I would expect given the small difference in power output.
2. Try keeping up with a 335i.
3. A remap would have the same, if not greater effect on the 'i'.
BigGee84 1 year ago
how often are you driving at 0-60 everyday though? A 35d would not have nay problem keeping up with a 35i in 'real world' driving.
welshbrew 1 year ago
My post was in response to the claim or implication that torque is as important as power, on the track.
BigGee84 1 year ago
@BigGee:
A 535d is faster on the top gear track than a Nissan 350z. faster than a 130i and faster than a SLK 350. Even faster than the 480bhp RS6 (though that one was on wet, but it has AWD)
ThirdLife86 1 year ago
1. The 535d clocked the same time as the 350z, with the former being slightly more powerful.
2. The 130i is significantly down on power over the 535d, and the SLK350 is a Merc.
3. LOL. You think the 535d is quicker than the RS6? Hehe, Okay then.
If you have attempted to demonstrate an advantage of diesel vs petrol around a track, you have failed. Power is power.
BigGee84 1 year ago
1. Wrong, the 350z has about the same Power than the 535d (280 vs. 286) plus the huge weight advantage (1600 vs. 1800kg). How come the Nissan doesn't pull away ? Shitty transmission probably.
2. The 130i is down on Power slightly yes, it has 265BHP vs. the 272 of the BMW then. Weight advantage 130i (1450 vs. 1800kg) ;) The SLK may be a merc, yes, but it had exactly the same power output (272 BHP).
ThirdLife86 1 year ago
You're not comparing apples to apples. Take a look at the subject matter: 335d vs 335i.
Two identical cars, save the engine. The 335i is quicker, despite the huge difference in peak torque between the two.
BigGee84 1 year ago
3. On a wet track the RS6 was slower (as you apparently didn't read) at least it had AWD which may give it a slight plus on wet tracks. On a dry track it of course would pull away. No doubt there.
ThirdLife86 1 year ago
Then why mention it. The whole debate has been on the subject of the advantage of torque.
BigGee84 1 year ago
To get this clear: i'm not saying you're wrong, i say theres more to it than just raw horsepower performance to make your win complete.
ThirdLife86 1 year ago
the 130i is 261 BHP against 286, hardly significant when you think about the size, power/weight ratio. Same goes for the 350z, its supposed to be a straight sports coupe yet only managed the same time as a 4 door family saloon?!?! I think his demonstration of diesel v petrol is pretty strong, also check out who has won the le mans, is that not a diesel!?!
jonlake1983 1 year ago
None of that in any way demonstrates an advantage for diesels. They do well at Le Mans for the simple fact that that they use less fuel and therefore require fewer pit stops, saving time.
I was once a firm believer in the importance of torque, but just couldn't find evidence justifying that belief. The RX8 is an excellent case in point; there is no evidence suggesting performance is being limited by its rather anaemic 160 lb ft. of torque.
BigGee84 1 year ago
whats the point of this asshole saying that the diesel has more torque than the m3. Its pointless without bhp. How dare he compare it to the m3.
philyfree 2 years ago
I like 425 lb of torque.That's the power that moves you.Good long lasting car.I can't decide between the E class or this.But this looks that if feels sportier.
achtungdryja1981 2 years ago
buy the 335i.... The torque does nothing without bhp... try keeping up with the 335i in a 335d... not guna happen!
philyfree 2 years ago 2
I don't buy a diesel for racing.I buy it for economy and reliability or pulling my glider. Don't know what you were implying. Try spending cash for a M5.Its not gonna happen. But It will for me.And I bet you got a limiter to 155 so try keeping up with a tuned edition.What the hell you talkin about?? lol
achtungdryja1981 2 years ago 4
@achtungdryja1981 audi r10
12valvepower1 10 months ago
@achtungdryja1981 i am so dirtty
12valvepower1 10 months ago
Torque is a very misunderstood concept. Torque is demultiplied by the transmission, the less revvy the engine the more it'll be demultiplied, traded in for wheel speed. AT THE WHEELS a 335i has about as much torque down low as a 335d at the same speed and gear, a bit more up top (hence a bit more power).
BigUriel 2 years ago
have to slightly disagree here, having previously owned a d i cant see massive difference between them stock, a tuned 35i would piss it and an m3 no doubt but in stock form doing everyday driving its not a massive difference between them at all. Had my 35i for a while now and i love it but it does lack the feeling the torque in the 35d gives you. Just my 2 pence worth having owned both cars.
jonlake1983 2 years ago
... In Hungary...
HondaGery250 2 years ago
This is (335d) 286Hp, not 265..........
HondaGery250 2 years ago
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tomgunc 2 years ago
The 3 series is the bread and butter of the company and magazine after magazine rate it their top choice for many reasons. I just saw last night the new body style ( sort of ) of the 2012 BMW 3 series coming out in 2011 though. It's incredible. So the problem is people are just out there saying the M3 is going to have the same engine but with a twin turbo. That would be super amazing and crazy but the X6M has 555hp which is 141hp difference. Diesel is very popular now from what I hear.
tomgunc 2 years ago
That's right a Honda CIvic or a Toyota Prius....about 50 miles to the gallon and super fricken reliable too. Big deal!! The 335d and the 750 Hydrogen car are made to please the general public to show that BMW can do anything it set's their minds to and clean up the earth to plz the tree huggers. People who buy a BMW are drivers not tree huggers.
tomgunc 2 years ago
Have I made my case yet?? You're fucking gay!! I just got a 2010 BMW M3 with yes less torque then a 335i or 335d. Let's compare the cars. BMW lemon lawed the car for me....I had a 2007 335i with high pressure fuel pumps going bad on it every 5k. That's for one. The M3 is so damn fast I am saving up money for my bail for when I get into trouble with the law. M3 handles so gracefully. The 335i is very fast but the 335d is for the tight wads of America who are trying to "SAVE" money. Go buy a CIvic
tomgunc 2 years ago
@tomgunc yeap your right about tight wads of america trying to save money!!!! and im one of those tight wads because i love torque
amarjot92 2 years ago
@tomgunc Go buy a CIvic! hahaha , what if they want some drifting, vtak cant handle that.
janji3202 2 years ago
In norway: 335D : 286bhp !!
Henkehasbeenhere 2 years ago
when he was mentioning the 425 lb. ft torque in the 335d, I knew he was going to mention that it has more than an M car but, he could've said the M6 (the flagship of the M's) which has 383 lb. ft. torque! ... (but the M6 can whoop pretty much almost any car it wants to on the road today)
bmwMaudiRS 2 years ago
I'm glad you said ALMOST. But to be honest, I would take this 4 door sedan over the M6 in one second. Better MPG, more seating and cargo room. Oh and BTW, in the streets (Los Angeles) the M6 has no chance in keeping up with the 335d. Thats a fact!
bolitapelona 2 years ago
m3 has 300lbft so does the 335i....335i weighs less
jdizzodapimp 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
you euro drivers pay out the ass for gas. in AMERICA we pay a fraction of the costs... so you have cleaner cars? who cares! at least we get to drive ours without having to worry about our bank accounts. The open road is an American quality. why waste your money on a nice car in europe when the socialists in power will punnish you for it? Move to the land of the Free my friends.
Nashuaam 2 years ago
The Price you pay for gas...is less but if you factor everything else. University..(25000+year per child) Europe Free, Health Insurance..13000 year, ..it all averages out to the same..imagine being to actually drive the car at speeds designed for...on roads designed for speed with drivers who drive rather then cruise..@ 60-90 mph (without getting stopped..)...You need to visit the world a see how good it is outside..the U.S..
8motion 2 years ago 23
@8motion drive on a US highway first and tell me who is doing under 60 MPH?? Most ppl wont get stopped if they keep it under 80. Your smoking Euro crack
keithkerbe 1 year ago
@keithkerbe 80 is slow buddy..BMW smooth out over 90. drivers in the u.s do not drive safely at speed. follow under two second rule, and have suv that with one false move...are rolling over... and over...
8motion 1 year ago
@8motion The days of SUV's in every driveway are over my US hating friend. Where do you drive over 90 MPH without getting pulled over?? it says you live in canada?? lol And im sure they have plenty of bad drivers all over the world..not just in my country. That last comment was just flat out ignorant.
keithkerbe 1 year ago
This isn't even an insulting post and it's partly true. Why all the thumbs down?
America get very cheap fuel compared to us!
It's £1.20 a litre here in Scotland, UK.
Kraig00 2 years ago
The comment about the 335d having more torque than the M3 is sort of pointless.... considering the 335i does, too...
philritter21 2 years ago
Bull. In europe you use the RON equation. in the USA we use the average of RON and MON equations (MON is used for aviation, more accurate).
this average is call the AKI or the Anti-Knock Index.
because of this 93 in the usa is the same as 98 in europe
its not rocket science.
jasonav8r 2 years ago
WTF!!!! BMW 335d: 265bhp
In Europe The BMW 335d is 282bhp
Do you get a different model or engine package or something in America
S1And3r0n 2 years ago 2
In America they use a different type of Diesel/Gas because of the strict emmisons regulations. So you can say that the Diesel/gas is a little bit worse thenhere in europe.
mirre10 2 years ago 2
Right, so the emmissions are more strict in America, But, Your still allowed to drive Big Ass Hummers & Cadillics
They are good strict emmissions lol, in Northern Ireland the more Emmissions your car produces the more money you pay on Tax lol,
If you drive a hummer you have to pay £450 ($900) a year on Road Tax
S1And3r0n 2 years ago
You got a point there with the hummers and Cadillacs!
Did you know in America they have only 93 octane in gas, but here in Europe we have 100?
It's same for diesels, that's why cars tested in the Us are more "weaker" than here!
ScuderiaBull 2 years ago
the rating system in regards to octane are different for usa vs europe. different formulas are used.
93 in usa is roughly equivelant to 98 in europe.
jasonav8r 2 years ago
math formulas that is.
and its not why cars are "weaker" in the us. its because they are downtuned. but not all. my 997gt3 has all 415hp that its euro counterpart has.
jasonav8r 2 years ago
How could that be of any equivalent?
Octanes are octanes, USA have 93,
Europe has 98 and 100!
When they test a car in usa for ex. a M5 it has a little less than 500hp the use anerican 93 octane,
but in Europe they use 98 octane for tests (your theorem is thah it would have to have the same power) less than 500hp!
no it has not, It has 507Hp in europe!
someone is blind here or just miss informated!
ScuderiaBull 2 years ago
That is true!!
In the US they use AKI rating while in Europe we use RON.
But still, our REGULAR(95 RON) gas is the same as your PREMIUM gas (92 AKI).
And this is the reason your cars produce less horsepower that the ones we have here in Europe.
kristererik 2 years ago
Wrong!
In Europe we have lower sulfer levels in our diesel, and that's why this BMW has add-blue in the US. If you had the same type of diesel as we have here in Europe your diesels wound'nt have to use add-blue.
It is also because of your "low quality" diesel fuel this car makes less power that the one we have here in Europe.
kristererik 2 years ago
clean diesel is offered in Canada and I think in the u.s as well ( less sulfer) maybe not to the standards of europe..but the west is backwards in many ways.. i.e. no high speed trains...
8motion 2 years ago
gross mistake on the fuel cost. $6500 is flat wrong. More like $2100. 15,000 miles/20mpg=750 gal * 2.82=$2115!
mcmwrx 2 years ago
The only way to be truly impressed with the 335d is to drive one. The only way to be unimpressed is to not drive one. I own one, and it kicks ass (better than my 'Stang GT). Great video on real world considerations.
rbvaughn 2 years ago
Good video - even for someone from the UK! And as a 335d owner it is an AWESOME car...!!
GoogleGSM 2 years ago