Heard his Otello he did a great job with it but he sounded in house like a lyric spinto he can sing bigger heavier roles then most any lyric cause he has a powerful top but in 1959 I heard Del Monaco sing Otello in Milan when I was 19 and he sounded like a Dramatic tenor, yes and a big voice, great Otello, heard Domingo do it in Chicago also, not nearly as big a voice but a baritone sound, Spinto, did not sound dramatic like Del Monaco.
that's thye reason Wagnerian tenors or sopranos are not called Dramatic but Helden, they don't act, I agree with you on that. As for Heppner, not only me but his coaches also agree he is not a dramatic tenor. You probably never heard a true dramatic tenor, otherwise you wouldn't be so sure:)
I wonder if Heppner is dramatic for you,then who is Giacomini or Galuzin for you?
I agree:) but I'd disagree that he has more baritone quality then Domingo.
That doesn't make Domingo a helden tenor either:) Recordings often lie, in fact they lie 95%. I was sure after listening to Bonisolli on CD's that he was a real dramatic but when I heard him live-he made an impression of a full lyric.
Del Monaco had a trumpet like voice and sounds like a full rylic but those who heard him live said it was the loudest voice ever.
BS! He is definitely not a lyrical tenor! He might have some lyrical qualities. So what is Fritz Wunderlich, Deon van der Walt, Jerry Hadley and Peter Schreier then?
Giacomini and Melchior are dramatic or helden if you like, Corelli a heroic one, Del Monaco is a spinto with a huge resonance. There are all in the cathegory of dramatic tenors.
I repeat, I know BH personaly and he knows he is not dramatic, but he sings dramatic repertoir-it would be not smart of him to deny what media portrays of him since Wagner is his bread.
Many people said Carreras is dramatic.
I heard C. on many occasions and he is definatly liric and even his v. smaller then Pavarottis
dear sexbc21, not only I heard him live, but I know personaly these wonderful singer, I repeat wonderful singer and human being who has also a wonderful technique, but all these does not make him a helden or a dramatic tenor and he personaly knows that well himself. he simply doesn't have that helden coulor or volume. If you want to lsten to real helden tenors find :
Giacomini, Galuzin, Melchior, del Monaco, Steblianco, Atlantov etc...
Even Franco Corelli with his hige voice is not a helden t
ça va pas ou quoi. C'est l'un de ses plus grands rôles. Il faut écouter toutes les versions en live des autres ténors pour se rendre compte à quel point Ben est un maître.
Ecoutez bien l'aïgue à 3,45. Il me fout des frissons. C'est sublime. Personne ne fait cela comme lui. Et ce ne sont pas quelques petites pressions par endroit qui gâchent l'interprétation de cet air reconnu par tous comme inchantable. Bravo Ben.
Montiel, there are many flaws but at 2:57 poor diction and awfully pushed, at 3:18 pressed and pushed from 3:58 through the end the voice is extremely pressed and 4:04 and specially 4:12 pushed. In general this rendition is far from being great.
you should do the same with all tenors dead or alive. If you know so many things about voice l don't think that you are going to find one, absolutely perfect.
@Vielflieger01 you do realize that he is singing outside? I dare you to sing outside with an 40 plus sized orchestra behind you with nothing more than the sensations inside of your head, you're bound to push a little bit. Overall I think that this is a rather pleasant performance.
Ben is a great tenor but a lyric not a dramatic one-neither by color or power-his great technique allowes him to sing wagner and some dram roles-miscast to my opinion
Some take a body size as it should reflect the voice accordingly-Del Monaco was miscast at the beggining of career as a liric tenor because he was rather short and almost lost his voice-hope it won't happen with Ben
What I like about Ben Hepner is that his musical expression has integrity. Everything he does has meaning, and the nuances are in agreement with the whole. He is really a fine artist.
i worked with the teacher who taught him everything he knows. he is not heldon, but jugendlicherheldontenor. Heldontenors dont have such a lyric top like ben. vickers is a prime example of true heldon.
This is splitting hairs, really. He was the only international tenor singing Tristans with any consistency for quite a while. That is def a heldon role. You might think to qualify the great Lauritz Melchior the same way with his lyrical abilities. However, the fact of the matter is EVERY voice is different, so going to the trouble of such specific definitions is a little bit of a waste I think.
you are correct that every voice is different. the fach system is just a guideline, but i will say that as a general rule, a heldon's money notes are not high notes. the repertoire is very different between those types. ben actually sounds best in roles like chenier and the verismo roles that are written in a higher tessitura. Ben does a hell of a job with this role as it sits much higher than seigfreid and tristan. In the end you are correct that it is best to sing what works best.
Não há como não virem as lágrimas ao ouvir tão maravilhoso canto, de melodia impressionantemente bela, veiculada por voz, orquestra e regência fenomenais. Quem nos dera aqui no Brasil tivéssemos eentos tão bons quanto este!!!!
Concordo com você, Joana. É um heldentenor puro, sim. A propósito canto em coral, (baixo=bass) e ouço muitas peças para a voz de baixo, mas de vez em quando procuro ouvir tenores. Já ouviu por acaso o Don Jose do Neil Shicoff?
Superb singing.TY j b for posting
paulostroff99 4 months ago
Excellent! Thanks.Truly sublime
homousios 1 year ago
Heard his Otello he did a great job with it but he sounded in house like a lyric spinto he can sing bigger heavier roles then most any lyric cause he has a powerful top but in 1959 I heard Del Monaco sing Otello in Milan when I was 19 and he sounded like a Dramatic tenor, yes and a big voice, great Otello, heard Domingo do it in Chicago also, not nearly as big a voice but a baritone sound, Spinto, did not sound dramatic like Del Monaco.
halavey 2 years ago
Oh god, what a usless discussion, he was a marvellous lirico spinto at the time this was recorded.
dermotafan 2 years ago
that's thye reason Wagnerian tenors or sopranos are not called Dramatic but Helden, they don't act, I agree with you on that. As for Heppner, not only me but his coaches also agree he is not a dramatic tenor. You probably never heard a true dramatic tenor, otherwise you wouldn't be so sure:)
I wonder if Heppner is dramatic for you,then who is Giacomini or Galuzin for you?
Cesaare 2 years ago
I agree:) but I'd disagree that he has more baritone quality then Domingo.
That doesn't make Domingo a helden tenor either:) Recordings often lie, in fact they lie 95%. I was sure after listening to Bonisolli on CD's that he was a real dramatic but when I heard him live-he made an impression of a full lyric.
Del Monaco had a trumpet like voice and sounds like a full rylic but those who heard him live said it was the loudest voice ever.
I kinow Ben in person and in recordings
He is full lyric
Cesaare 2 years ago
Dramatic voices, and I meant true Dramatic voices are rare, very rare, extremely rare and they have to meet this requirements:
1. Very strong volume and projection
2. Darker in quality as: Dramatic tenor sounds like a baritone with a lots of squillo
3. Dramatic quality in acting(must) and voice(great dynamic range)
if all above mention qualities are met that's a true dramatic voice
Happner is an excellent lyric tenor who happened to sing Wagner tbc...
Cesaare 2 years ago
happened to sing Wagnerian repertoir for the same strange reason as Del Monaco was at the beggining of his carrer singing a lyric repertoir : size
Sounds crazy isn't it?
but true
Del Monaco was placed as a lyric Nemorino because he was a short tenor
Happner was placed as Wagnerian because he is almost a giant in size
Nonsence?
Not at all
Reality
Cesaare 2 years ago
there nothing wrong that some people don't understand this nuance of difference.
It's wrong when people who do hiring don't have any idea.
I ve heard much more lyriv tenors then Ben singing Wagner, but it still doesn't make him a helden tenor
I doubt Ben himself thinks he is a helden tenor, but all publicity is meant to sell his records as Wagnerian, helden tenor
That's it.
Cesaare 2 years ago
BS! He is definitely not a lyrical tenor! He might have some lyrical qualities. So what is Fritz Wunderlich, Deon van der Walt, Jerry Hadley and Peter Schreier then?
paddaman1 2 years ago
F.W. is a pure liric, Peter Schreier is tenore di grazia. BH is bigger then them.
There are, according to some research, around 14 types of tenor voices.
It's not that simple dramatic vs liric.
There are 4 types of dramatic tenors only:
helden, italian dramatic, spinto, heroic.
BH doesn't fit in that 4 types.
People should open their ears and minds and listen less to what media says and again BH doesn't have a small voice, he is just not dramatic.
Alagna sings Radames, does it make him D?
Cesaare 2 years ago
Giacomini and Melchior are dramatic or helden if you like, Corelli a heroic one, Del Monaco is a spinto with a huge resonance. There are all in the cathegory of dramatic tenors.
I repeat, I know BH personaly and he knows he is not dramatic, but he sings dramatic repertoir-it would be not smart of him to deny what media portrays of him since Wagner is his bread.
Many people said Carreras is dramatic.
I heard C. on many occasions and he is definatly liric and even his v. smaller then Pavarottis
Cesaare 2 years ago
Del Monaco was a dramatic Italian, he just wasn't into Wagner.
I don't know about the paper you're talking about, what paper?
First BH desn't sound like a helden tenor at all, not in the recordings and definatly not in live shows, and absolutly not in person.
You can create your own definition of helden tenors and fit BH there, if you like
Cesaare 2 years ago
dear sexbc21, not only I heard him live, but I know personaly these wonderful singer, I repeat wonderful singer and human being who has also a wonderful technique, but all these does not make him a helden or a dramatic tenor and he personaly knows that well himself. he simply doesn't have that helden coulor or volume. If you want to lsten to real helden tenors find :
Giacomini, Galuzin, Melchior, del Monaco, Steblianco, Atlantov etc...
Even Franco Corelli with his hige voice is not a helden t
Cesaare 2 years ago
I mean huge :))
Cesaare 2 years ago
Well, I thought this was magnificent. I completely dismiss any negative comments below. Bryn Terfel is also an admirer of Heppner.
Glenmed 2 years ago
Merveilleux ténor ! Sa voix se prête magnifiquement bien à Wagner !
Merci
jackylen57 3 years ago
this role seems to be difficult for him. The voice sounds quite pressed and stressed!!
Vielflieger01 3 years ago
ça va pas ou quoi. C'est l'un de ses plus grands rôles. Il faut écouter toutes les versions en live des autres ténors pour se rendre compte à quel point Ben est un maître.
Ecoutez bien l'aïgue à 3,45. Il me fout des frissons. C'est sublime. Personne ne fait cela comme lui. Et ce ne sont pas quelques petites pressions par endroit qui gâchent l'interprétation de cet air reconnu par tous comme inchantable. Bravo Ben.
Montieldebanne 3 years ago 2
Montiel, there are many flaws but at 2:57 poor diction and awfully pushed, at 3:18 pressed and pushed from 3:58 through the end the voice is extremely pressed and 4:04 and specially 4:12 pushed. In general this rendition is far from being great.
Vielflieger01 2 years ago
pushed...pressed..poor diction...I don't think so.I simply don't hear any of that
vickersman 2 years ago
you should do the same with all tenors dead or alive. If you know so many things about voice l don't think that you are going to find one, absolutely perfect.
joanabanyeres 2 years ago
@Vielflieger01 you do realize that he is singing outside? I dare you to sing outside with an 40 plus sized orchestra behind you with nothing more than the sensations inside of your head, you're bound to push a little bit. Overall I think that this is a rather pleasant performance.
KingViolist 1 year ago
Ben is a great tenor but a lyric not a dramatic one-neither by color or power-his great technique allowes him to sing wagner and some dram roles-miscast to my opinion
He is a great tenor and musician though
Cesaare 3 years ago
---> Cesaare I agree with you
Vielflieger01 3 years ago
Some take a body size as it should reflect the voice accordingly-Del Monaco was miscast at the beggining of career as a liric tenor because he was rather short and almost lost his voice-hope it won't happen with Ben
Cesaare 3 years ago
He really brings out Wagner's lyrical qualities like no one else I've heard. Absolutely brilliant!!
ghostwriter11 3 years ago 5
What I like about Ben Hepner is that his musical expression has integrity. Everything he does has meaning, and the nuances are in agreement with the whole. He is really a fine artist.
stepaushi 3 years ago
wasn't he considered to be a heldentenor? He is amazing regardless
bafitchbb24 3 years ago
i worked with the teacher who taught him everything he knows. he is not heldon, but jugendlicherheldontenor. Heldontenors dont have such a lyric top like ben. vickers is a prime example of true heldon.
cjondoran 3 years ago
This is splitting hairs, really. He was the only international tenor singing Tristans with any consistency for quite a while. That is def a heldon role. You might think to qualify the great Lauritz Melchior the same way with his lyrical abilities. However, the fact of the matter is EVERY voice is different, so going to the trouble of such specific definitions is a little bit of a waste I think.
cptnunderwhere 3 years ago
you are correct that every voice is different. the fach system is just a guideline, but i will say that as a general rule, a heldon's money notes are not high notes. the repertoire is very different between those types. ben actually sounds best in roles like chenier and the verismo roles that are written in a higher tessitura. Ben does a hell of a job with this role as it sits much higher than seigfreid and tristan. In the end you are correct that it is best to sing what works best.
cjondoran 3 years ago
He's so amazing. The robust heft of a Dramatic. Yet the tone of a lyric. Awesome.
Matthewcoakley08 3 years ago
Sehr schone Arie!!!bravo tenor
tomasjuhasz 3 years ago
Não há como não virem as lágrimas ao ouvir tão maravilhoso canto, de melodia impressionantemente bela, veiculada por voz, orquestra e regência fenomenais. Quem nos dera aqui no Brasil tivéssemos eentos tão bons quanto este!!!!
mauricedelacroix 3 years ago
para mi también su canto me emociona mucho. Es un gran tenor, y tenor puro
joanabanyeres 3 years ago
Concordo com você, Joana. É um heldentenor puro, sim. A propósito canto em coral, (baixo=bass) e ouço muitas peças para a voz de baixo, mas de vez em quando procuro ouvir tenores. Já ouviu por acaso o Don Jose do Neil Shicoff?
mauricedelacroix 3 years ago
l have his Meistersinger from the Met. He is great, enormous with a real heldentenor voice
joanabanyeres 4 years ago
Thank you!
I heard him sing this at the Met a few years
ago and couldn't have imagined how beautiful
his voice is in person. It filled the whole
theatre and yet was so intimate in scope that
you felt swept along with him as the Prize
Song progressed to its conclusion.
verdiguy 4 years ago
grand tenor ,en effet.Vous êtes évidemment un connaisseur , Joana
fanthill 4 years ago