@realvanman1 You actually don't feel a lot of nauseating forces in a spin or stall. In fact, when you sit close to the center of gravity in a spin, you're likely to feel positive G's, akin to a climb. That's why many pilots who enter unintentional spins in IMC don't realize they are rapidly approaching the ground; their senses fool them into thinking they're climbing.
@freakybuzz Huh, that's kind of scary, actually. I hope to learn to fly someday, and of course, more than anything, I want to learn how NOT to crash. Loosing one's sense of direction or motion would seem to be really dangerous.
@realvanman1 You're absolutely correct; spatial disorientation has lead to way too many pilot deaths. But with good instruction and proper application of technique and skill, you don't need to be scared of learning to fly. Trust your instruments, follow your training, and know your personal limits. As the saying goes: "A superior pilot uses their superior judgement to avoid situations requiring their superior skill."
@Truckerbob007 you can clearly see by looking at the ground through the wind screen that she is losing several thousand feet during this if it were looped how would this be possible ?
In Canada, part of our training, incl\udes spins.....not so in the U.S......This is real. You only have to watch the altimeter wind down. You can't fake that. I do spins everytime I go up. For both fun, and practise. Like someone mentioned earlier, I thought after my first one with my instructor, that' I'd never make it. Now, I can't get enough of them. All according regulations of course. But yes, you really have to work at gettting a 172 to do a good spin.
@chestateegold I bought a 172 to train in before I had a license. So, I used it to take my Transport Canada flight test. I was required to do a spin in the test. But 172's sure don't spin as nicely as 150's. Not nearly as violent and you really have to work the controls to keep it in the spin. Let go of all the controls and it will recover on it's own. Also, 172's are rated to do spins according to the POH. I'd really like to do a roll in it, which I"ve never done.
sigh....a fairly recent AD brought on by a few accidents has made the maneuver prohibited without getting mods to the rudder travel stop assembly...Seems as though if you push too hard on the rudder during the recovery process it can become jammed and also restrict elevator movement...
I've done a 40 rev spin in a standard 152 from 7500' ASL recovering at 2000'. Altitude loss is closer to 100' per turn.
A Zlin 242L yielded similar performance, albeit at a much higher rotation speed (intentionally accelerated spin, heavier aircraft w higher wing loading).
Avoiding control difficulties after recovery is simple by keeping wings level with rudder and avoiding aileron input for several seconds.
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After watching this video again I get the sense that she is frozen with panic. This clearly contributed heavily to her inability to initiate a recovery on her own. I am glad it worked out tho. I hope she got some unusual attitude training so this doesnt happen again.
wow... dude... its a controlled spin, meaning she put the plane in the spin and made a textbook recovery. if this were a plane other than an AEROBAT, then there would be reason for concern.
@699backstab wow she obviously intentionally put this plane into a spin and she was not frozen with panic considering she put the plane into the spin. Also C-152 are rated for spins and an acrobat is def rated for such a maneuver. I hope your not a pilot.
Hmmm. How about 14000? I go that high on a regular basis and by the looks of what we can see outside that's the altitude she is at. Oxygen? Maybe, see FAR 91.211. Pixellated panel is due to low video quality, compression artifacts. Repetitive head movements? Well that's to be expected.
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This woman lost control of the plane. I heard about this. ATC had to calm her down and talk her out of it. He wasnt even a pilot but had time in microsoft flight sim so he had a leg up i guess. Had she been any closer to the ground this could have turned out badly.
To all the nay sayers out there, this Pilot (Catherine Cavagnaro) is actually a highly accomplished CFI, CFII, MEI, ASES rated pilot. Trained by the man William Kershner himself and now runs the aerobatics school he founded. Sewanee Aerobatic School. I in no way doubt her abilities or the validity of this proven spin. Call the school and I'm sure she will be delighted to take you on a demo of the spin herself, if you can keep your diapers dry.
WOW! the pilot is just asking for trouble. I get that they want to be the one on youtube for "the most spins in a 150"....but seriously? a person is just asking for trouble. I think 2-3 spins is plenty.
The C-150-A looks jolly tamable and very prone to get out of the spin. Even the recovery technique seems relatively straight forward. To be fair, I do not work out fully the reason why the pilot kept the ailerons pro-spin throuoghut the spin. Aport from very rare exceptions, you mustn't cross the ailerons, to avoid a flat-spin, but in general you've got only to neutralize your ailerons and - if necessary, to keep the rudder deflected pro-spin.
In this particular aircraft, in-spin aileron accelerates and flattens the spin a bit. If you then crank the throttle it goes wickedly flat and feels way out of control. Recovery takes a few turns, which is scary if you're used to having a spin stop as soon as you stomp on the rudder.
At the beginning of the maneuver, the altimeter reads 14,000 feet. That's high for--but not outside the service ceiling of--a 152, especially on a cool, dry day.
I just returned from the spin traing school this weekend. I assure you this is a legitimate video. The pilot is the instructor. Search for "7 turn Spin" which was just uploaded... I was the pilot. The video is much sharper and clearer (better camera) than this 60 turn spin
Perhaps to help the plane spin better (not sure if it would make a difference, but Cessnas need all the help they can get, like the aileron inputs as well). But probably so we can see the altimeter...wow!
If she is an instructor, that would explain it, as instructors generally sit in the right seat of a side-by-side aircraft (unless they are teaching a person to fly from the right seat).
And yes Cessnas need all the help they can get to spin, when they are in the utility category. Don't count on that being the same if they spin in the normal category.
This video is amazing. Someone posted a comment on another video that said watching this one without fast forwarding is like licking all the way to the center of a tootsie pop.
The Aerobats are one of the sturdiest aerobatic aircraft ever built...I've never heard of an unrecoverable spin in one. It's hard enough to get them into a decent spin in the first place!
If you got into a spin in one and freaked out, reducing power, letting go of the controls and pedals would probably get you out of it - a bootful of opposite rudder would guarantee it. Thats a generic emergency technique that will work in most aircraft, though you should do whatever the flight manual says :)
I can vouch for this. I was very intimidated by spins during my initial training even after doing a few. To prove the point of safety, my instructor initiated the spin, then put both hands on the dash. The aircraft self-recovered (C-150) within one rotation. Granted, it was spin certified and the weight/balance were checked to be proper for the maneuver.
In Gliders anyway, Full opposite Rudder, and hold the stick all the way aft until rotation stops. If you dont hold the stick back, it could develop into a spiral, which can very quickly get out of hand. . .
I'm not familiar with gliders; I'm sure they have unique aerodynamic characteristics to require the recovery you mention. Spin recovery, as it is taught in Cessnas and the like, is: reduce power, full opposite rudder, neutral ailerons and elevator. If a flat spin is entered, judicious use of the ailerons may be used to recover, though I am in no hurry to find out. :-)
Not a Unique aerodynamic characteristic, just for the fact that you must keep the wing stalled untill rotation stops, And no engine! But I havent taken Spin training in power yet, looking forward! :-)
I did three different recoveries in the Citabria from two-turn incipient spins. First the standard opposite rudder to the stop and gently forward to break the stall. Second, hold all controls neutral. Third, let everything go. Recovery was progressively slower with each method but all stopped the spinning and the stall.
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This was SUCH a stupid thing to do. I guess the psychos running this "Spin School" never heard of a plane getting locked into a spin and unable to recover. These assholes need their licenses jerked before they kill someone!
Know what is so Funny about you Factoid? You know what you are saying is total Bullshit, but you just like trying to get a rise out of people! Props :-)
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What I'm saying is "bullshit"? Tell that to my friends son who, along with his INSTRUCTOR, spun into the ground doing simple spin training in one of those "sturdy" Cessna 152's. They apparently made about 12 spins before hitting the ground. Dumbass bitch spin-queen is doing 60. That's real smart. This woman is going to die in an airplane one day and I just hope the spin school gets its license jerked before they kill someone.
What you say has some merit, 1factoid. I am very sorry for you and your friend's loss. Spins are very dangerous maneuvers, and should never be done without the utmost of care. While I cannot know the complete circumstances surrounding the accident you mentioned, the pilot in this particular video appears to be in complete control. I posted it not as an endorsement of their business or training practices, but as a remarkable piece of footage I think merits viewing and discussion.
What it DOES mean is that he's most certainly been exposed to spin training. What it does mean is that he was no novice. What it does mean is that if he can be killed doing something which in your mind is no big deal then pushing such a no big deal event will certainly get you killed at some point. So, you go right ahead and spin your ever lovin' ass off all you want, Sky King. We'll be reading about you one day.
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I'm sure you do, and I'm sure you're gonna die one day because of it. With a combined total flight time of over 60,000 hrs. my father, uncle, and brother all say YOU are the twit! In fact, my father says your comments about spins shows your lack of experience. So, like I said we'll all be reading about you one day. What kind of flowers would you like draped over your coffin?
They only know what they know, tard! They forgot more than you know about aviation. If you knew 1/3 what they know you'd be TWICE as smart as you think you are. Little half-ass experienced dweebs like you know just enough aviation to get your ass owned by someone who REALLY DOES KNOW! Now crawl on back into your bathroom and continue beating off to pictures of you in your little flight suit.
The Originator, William Kershner (look him up), of the SPIN TRAINING (that is FAA Approved and Award Winning industry wide) that she now runs is very good.
I have Four ATPs and One Commercial Certificate. I have ALL the CFI's. Six jet type ratings. Former Military ... etc.
I'd like to know what publications you can use to support your argument. Personal attacks aren't facts. Just a means to avoid the facts.
I don't give a shit if you've got a Shuttle rating, all that salad on your chest means nothing other than you kiss a good ass. And you're impressed he's annointed by the FED! What are you, some big government aparatchick? I'm STILL not impressed, G-Man! That's typical Leviathan-speak propping up 'Books unt Papers' to support your BS theories. I'm using the college of 'Been There, Done That, Learned From That!' Apparently YOU HAVEN'T, even with all your colorful, meaningless salad.
1factoid, you have every reason to be cautious of spins. I myself know many multi-thousand hour pilots who are wary of treating spins, or any aerobatic maneuver for that matter, as run of the mill. With proper training, a skilled pilot can do many things, including spins, but one must always be aware of their personal limits.
But, to you and EVERYONE who has been commenting, please keep your future comments civil and free of profanity, rage, and ad hominem vitriol, or I will delete them.
Is the purpose of this kind of training for personal safety or career advancement?I'm about to begin school for an AAS in pilot development and am wondering if this is something I should do after my private rating. As a skydiver, there are certain things that we only train on the ground and no sane person would intentionally do, even though it might seem safe, the overall survival chances drop dramatically. Is this the same kind of thing? or can you only learn it with an instructor and practice?
A spin done at a proper height in a certified aircraft is perfectly safe. This is done during training to teach proper recovery and avoidance techniques. I would argue the spiral-dive is far more dangerous because it is easier to get into and not as intense... well... until the wings rip off anyways:)
Apparently you are a graduate of the Colledge of nonsense. But hey, thanks anyway for keeping me entertained. I really enjoyed this little "Gibber-Fest"
I personally received spin training from Bill Kershner at Sewanee University and while spins are probably never something I would intentionally attempt outside a very carefully controlled environment, I am convinced they are safe given the proper aircraft, altitude, and precautions.
get over yourself.. you say your family fly's and hell you probably have friends that sky dive friends that eat fried food.. you will never understand what it means to take risks and enjoy life you nay saying coward.. get off your computer and do something worthy of posting yourself of shut up.
There are accidents during all phases of flight. Many people have been killed on take off, many on landing, do you suppose pilots should no longer take off or land? There is inherent risk in any flight. Granted that risk increases while doing acrobatics but riding a motorcycle is something I think is too great a risk but I spin. Your friends crash could have been cause by a variety things that you don't know. They may have been out of c.g. due to carelessness or perhaps a failure caused a shift.
Dumbass bitch spin-queen....sounds like your jealous. That is a talent. Why beef up what you can do or what you shouldn't do. All that matters is that your having fun while doing it. Quit your whining and just enjoy the video...Its amazing to see that this can be done. Sorry to hear about your friends son but shit man, dont believe that shits going to happen to everybody. Chill
you and your family need to sit back and chill. Look at a weight and balance and then tell me if the airplane is safe to spin. Spin it out of that, and it may get flat and unrecoverable. otherwise, the manufacturer woulden't certify for spins. in your own words, what happen if you enter a spin with an aft cg vs a forward cg factoid? i dont want some book answer either.
How did you get a 152 over 10,000 feet? I am positive I could never do that without getting sick. Great flying.
benjaminnetanyahoo 2 months ago
How... Nauseating! That's the skill I find remarkable- how is that cockpit not FULL of vomit LOL!
realvanman1 3 months ago
@realvanman1 You actually don't feel a lot of nauseating forces in a spin or stall. In fact, when you sit close to the center of gravity in a spin, you're likely to feel positive G's, akin to a climb. That's why many pilots who enter unintentional spins in IMC don't realize they are rapidly approaching the ground; their senses fool them into thinking they're climbing.
freakybuzz 3 months ago
@freakybuzz Huh, that's kind of scary, actually. I hope to learn to fly someday, and of course, more than anything, I want to learn how NOT to crash. Loosing one's sense of direction or motion would seem to be really dangerous.
realvanman1 3 months ago
@realvanman1 You're absolutely correct; spatial disorientation has lead to way too many pilot deaths. But with good instruction and proper application of technique and skill, you don't need to be scared of learning to fly. Trust your instruments, follow your training, and know your personal limits. As the saying goes: "A superior pilot uses their superior judgement to avoid situations requiring their superior skill."
freakybuzz 3 months ago
@freakybuzz That sounds like a nice saying, and a good one to strive to live by. Thanks for the encouragement and the nice chat. Take care.
realvanman1 3 months ago
My question is, how the HELL do you get a C-150 up to 14,000 feet?
FSX404 5 months ago
@FSX404 My guess is it has an overpowered (125hp) engine, and this was a cool, dry day. A regular 150/2 has a hell of a time busting 10!
freakybuzz 5 months ago
Fun.. but expensive.. Must wreak havoc on gyros :)
mktstmedia 7 months ago
lol... i dont think this plane is going to be flown IFR any time soon =P
crashz71 7 months ago
cool...
macsm 7 months ago
Is this an A150 or an A152???
Capidiego1 10 months ago
@Capidiego1 I'm fairly sure it's a 152 Aerobat.
freakybuzz 10 months ago
Why is her hair not flailing about?
strangerthanme 1 year ago
There isn't that much centrifugal force in a spin, I know it sounds weird but it surprised me too first time I did spin training.
Gamby00 10 months ago
@Gamby00 You're right. It does sound weird until you think about where you're sitting in the airplane.
AirstripBum 9 months ago
@belgianquill Maybe try learning how to read an altimeter before you comment.
slowmocrow 1 year ago
YOU SPIN ME RIGHT ROUND BABY RIGHT ROUND........
Ownage2themax3 1 year ago 4
@Ownage2themax3 Like a record baby
t008er 10 months ago
I did a lot of searching. I thought it was fake. It is not. Below is a link to the real deal.
aceaerobaticschool (dot) com/spins.html
leroymoorejr 1 year ago
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leroymoorejr 1 year ago
Say good bye to all your gyro instruments!
Vyppaaa11 1 year ago
I counted 62 rotations after it finally broke and spun.
MrTBshaw 1 year ago
What was the pilot thinking
Mega cock
whoisyourmumME 1 year ago
I love this woman she is crazy....
manny298 1 year ago
@Tippacanoe21 yes, good point....it very well could be a looped video. I don't think the spins are too fast though.
Truckerbob007 1 year ago
@Truckerbob007 you can clearly see by looking at the ground through the wind screen that she is losing several thousand feet during this if it were looped how would this be possible ?
lunchbag08 1 year ago
In Canada, part of our training, incl\udes spins.....not so in the U.S......This is real. You only have to watch the altimeter wind down. You can't fake that. I do spins everytime I go up. For both fun, and practise. Like someone mentioned earlier, I thought after my first one with my instructor, that' I'd never make it. Now, I can't get enough of them. All according regulations of course. But yes, you really have to work at gettting a 172 to do a good spin.
Truckerbob007 2 years ago
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i dont know about other people, but spin training is done in my training, as long as it is in a 152 and not the 172
chestateegold 1 year ago
@chestateegold I bought a 172 to train in before I had a license. So, I used it to take my Transport Canada flight test. I was required to do a spin in the test. But 172's sure don't spin as nicely as 150's. Not nearly as violent and you really have to work the controls to keep it in the spin. Let go of all the controls and it will recover on it's own. Also, 172's are rated to do spins according to the POH. I'd really like to do a roll in it, which I"ve never done.
Truckerbob007 1 year ago
Its funny the cessna POH states no more then 8 spins :) but wow IF this is real wow!
pilotalex 2 years ago
@pilotalex its an areobat so im assuming it doesnt have that limitation
lunchbag08 1 year ago
sigh....a fairly recent AD brought on by a few accidents has made the maneuver prohibited without getting mods to the rudder travel stop assembly...Seems as though if you push too hard on the rudder during the recovery process it can become jammed and also restrict elevator movement...
masterchiefgtx 2 years ago
I've done a 40 rev spin in a standard 152 from 7500' ASL recovering at 2000'. Altitude loss is closer to 100' per turn.
A Zlin 242L yielded similar performance, albeit at a much higher rotation speed (intentionally accelerated spin, heavier aircraft w higher wing loading).
Avoiding control difficulties after recovery is simple by keeping wings level with rudder and avoiding aileron input for several seconds.
Tailtube 2 years ago
lol the poh says not to exceed 6
skat0r 2 years ago
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After watching this video again I get the sense that she is frozen with panic. This clearly contributed heavily to her inability to initiate a recovery on her own. I am glad it worked out tho. I hope she got some unusual attitude training so this doesnt happen again.
699backstab 2 years ago
699backstab;
If this woman was as incompetent as you claim, explain to me why she found the presence of mind to:
a) Tripod mount and operate a video camera before departure
b) Take a 152 up to the upper ledge of its service ceiling without stalling or loss of control prior
c) Execute a flawless recovery
The leaps of logic needed to validate what your claims lead me to believe you are simply trolling.
freakybuzz 2 years ago 12
wow... dude... its a controlled spin, meaning she put the plane in the spin and made a textbook recovery. if this were a plane other than an AEROBAT, then there would be reason for concern.
bgrassguy17 2 years ago
@699backstab wow she obviously intentionally put this plane into a spin and she was not frozen with panic considering she put the plane into the spin. Also C-152 are rated for spins and an acrobat is def rated for such a maneuver. I hope your not a pilot.
lunchbag08 1 year ago
Hmmm. How about 14000? I go that high on a regular basis and by the looks of what we can see outside that's the altitude she is at. Oxygen? Maybe, see FAR 91.211. Pixellated panel is due to low video quality, compression artifacts. Repetitive head movements? Well that's to be expected.
Darkshado1 2 years ago
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This woman lost control of the plane. I heard about this. ATC had to calm her down and talk her out of it. He wasnt even a pilot but had time in microsoft flight sim so he had a leg up i guess. Had she been any closer to the ground this could have turned out badly.
699backstab 2 years ago
did you not read the video description?
KSharp320 2 years ago
To all the nay sayers out there, this Pilot (Catherine Cavagnaro) is actually a highly accomplished CFI, CFII, MEI, ASES rated pilot. Trained by the man William Kershner himself and now runs the aerobatics school he founded. Sewanee Aerobatic School. I in no way doubt her abilities or the validity of this proven spin. Call the school and I'm sure she will be delighted to take you on a demo of the spin herself, if you can keep your diapers dry.
TomVaillencourt 2 years ago 3
WOW! the pilot is just asking for trouble. I get that they want to be the one on youtube for "the most spins in a 150"....but seriously? a person is just asking for trouble. I think 2-3 spins is plenty.
Shogo39 2 years ago
@Shogo39 she is a professional aerobatic pilot.
lunchbag08 1 year ago
The C-150-A looks jolly tamable and very prone to get out of the spin. Even the recovery technique seems relatively straight forward. To be fair, I do not work out fully the reason why the pilot kept the ailerons pro-spin throuoghut the spin. Aport from very rare exceptions, you mustn't cross the ailerons, to avoid a flat-spin, but in general you've got only to neutralize your ailerons and - if necessary, to keep the rudder deflected pro-spin.
stefanorso 2 years ago
In this particular aircraft, in-spin aileron accelerates and flattens the spin a bit. If you then crank the throttle it goes wickedly flat and feels way out of control. Recovery takes a few turns, which is scary if you're used to having a spin stop as soon as you stomp on the rudder.
Automuse 2 years ago
At the beginning of the maneuver, the altimeter reads 14,000 feet. That's high for--but not outside the service ceiling of--a 152, especially on a cool, dry day.
freakybuzz 2 years ago
Objects in the windshield are getting bigger?
piper444 2 years ago
I just returned from the spin traing school this weekend. I assure you this is a legitimate video. The pilot is the instructor. Search for "7 turn Spin" which was just uploaded... I was the pilot. The video is much sharper and clearer (better camera) than this 60 turn spin
dogbreth46 2 years ago
correction: search for "spin recovery training" posted 6/7/09
dogbreth46 2 years ago
Watch the altimeter wind down as the ground gets closer and closer. It's easy to see she loses several thousand feet of altitude.
freakybuzz 2 years ago 3
@freakybuzz 11000 feet actually ^^
sysv3rt 10 months ago
Aw man, I got dizzy just watching that. Where's my barf bag?
witch532 2 years ago
why is she in the right seat?
Laynep123 3 years ago
Perhaps to help the plane spin better (not sure if it would make a difference, but Cessnas need all the help they can get, like the aileron inputs as well). But probably so we can see the altimeter...wow!
Propsink 3 years ago
If she is an instructor, that would explain it, as instructors generally sit in the right seat of a side-by-side aircraft (unless they are teaching a person to fly from the right seat).
And yes Cessnas need all the help they can get to spin, when they are in the utility category. Don't count on that being the same if they spin in the normal category.
123whatev 3 years ago
she is an instructor and normally flies in the right seat
dogbreth46 2 years ago
impressive, i counted exactly 60!
mikef4irider 3 years ago
Spins at height with the correct balance and loading and understanding of the spin in an aircraft suitable are harmless.
I spin my drifter Drifter all the time I loose 100 feet a spin :)
mjok2004 3 years ago
Nice Video. So if me and Sarah (chilhowee) Fly up there, will you take me up and do one of those? :-)
n421tt 3 years ago
This video is amazing. Someone posted a comment on another video that said watching this one without fast forwarding is like licking all the way to the center of a tootsie pop.
Awesome recovery.
udadni 3 years ago 2
That woman must have a cast iron stomach!
sleemanj 3 years ago 2
The Aerobats are one of the sturdiest aerobatic aircraft ever built...I've never heard of an unrecoverable spin in one. It's hard enough to get them into a decent spin in the first place!
If you got into a spin in one and freaked out, reducing power, letting go of the controls and pedals would probably get you out of it - a bootful of opposite rudder would guarantee it. Thats a generic emergency technique that will work in most aircraft, though you should do whatever the flight manual says :)
Automuse 3 years ago 3
I can vouch for this. I was very intimidated by spins during my initial training even after doing a few. To prove the point of safety, my instructor initiated the spin, then put both hands on the dash. The aircraft self-recovered (C-150) within one rotation. Granted, it was spin certified and the weight/balance were checked to be proper for the maneuver.
akbluecabin 2 years ago
must have gave a buzz in the ears :) is there nobody sitting left? or am i mistaken.
And what is the best way to recover? everything neutral en full opposite rudder?
too 1factoid (or faggot, don't know how it sounds). you don't now what you'r saying, i bet you 'v never been in a plane before!
Mrmaxavi 3 years ago
In Gliders anyway, Full opposite Rudder, and hold the stick all the way aft until rotation stops. If you dont hold the stick back, it could develop into a spiral, which can very quickly get out of hand. . .
n421tt 3 years ago
I'm not familiar with gliders; I'm sure they have unique aerodynamic characteristics to require the recovery you mention. Spin recovery, as it is taught in Cessnas and the like, is: reduce power, full opposite rudder, neutral ailerons and elevator. If a flat spin is entered, judicious use of the ailerons may be used to recover, though I am in no hurry to find out. :-)
freakybuzz 3 years ago
Not a Unique aerodynamic characteristic, just for the fact that you must keep the wing stalled untill rotation stops, And no engine! But I havent taken Spin training in power yet, looking forward! :-)
n421tt 3 years ago
I did three different recoveries in the Citabria from two-turn incipient spins. First the standard opposite rudder to the stop and gently forward to break the stall. Second, hold all controls neutral. Third, let everything go. Recovery was progressively slower with each method but all stopped the spinning and the stall.
Propsink 3 years ago
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This was SUCH a stupid thing to do. I guess the psychos running this "Spin School" never heard of a plane getting locked into a spin and unable to recover. These assholes need their licenses jerked before they kill someone!
1factoid 3 years ago
Know what is so Funny about you Factoid? You know what you are saying is total Bullshit, but you just like trying to get a rise out of people! Props :-)
n421tt 3 years ago
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What I'm saying is "bullshit"? Tell that to my friends son who, along with his INSTRUCTOR, spun into the ground doing simple spin training in one of those "sturdy" Cessna 152's. They apparently made about 12 spins before hitting the ground. Dumbass bitch spin-queen is doing 60. That's real smart. This woman is going to die in an airplane one day and I just hope the spin school gets its license jerked before they kill someone.
1factoid 3 years ago
What you say has some merit, 1factoid. I am very sorry for you and your friend's loss. Spins are very dangerous maneuvers, and should never be done without the utmost of care. While I cannot know the complete circumstances surrounding the accident you mentioned, the pilot in this particular video appears to be in complete control. I posted it not as an endorsement of their business or training practices, but as a remarkable piece of footage I think merits viewing and discussion.
freakybuzz 3 years ago
Maybe His instructor should have taken Spin Training from this school. . .
n421tt 3 years ago
His instructor was a former Air Force F-4 pilot.
1factoid 3 years ago
That doesnt mean they Can Fly any better then any random amauter in a cessna.
n421tt 3 years ago
What it DOES mean is that he's most certainly been exposed to spin training. What it does mean is that he was no novice. What it does mean is that if he can be killed doing something which in your mind is no big deal then pushing such a no big deal event will certainly get you killed at some point. So, you go right ahead and spin your ever lovin' ass off all you want, Sky King. We'll be reading about you one day.
1factoid 3 years ago
In fact I do spin my Ever Lovin' ass off, and love every minute of it. Try it one day, you'll be hooked. Sure beats the heck out of Final Fantasy!
n421tt 3 years ago
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I'm sure you do, and I'm sure you're gonna die one day because of it. With a combined total flight time of over 60,000 hrs. my father, uncle, and brother all say YOU are the twit! In fact, my father says your comments about spins shows your lack of experience. So, like I said we'll all be reading about you one day. What kind of flowers would you like draped over your coffin?
1factoid 3 years ago
Get some flight experience of your own. Then come back and talk it up. . .
n421tt 3 years ago
Tell that to my way-over-the-top experienced family and see how bad you get owned!
1factoid 3 years ago
You dont have to remind me that your whole family are know-it-all's
n421tt 3 years ago
They only know what they know, tard! They forgot more than you know about aviation. If you knew 1/3 what they know you'd be TWICE as smart as you think you are. Little half-ass experienced dweebs like you know just enough aviation to get your ass owned by someone who REALLY DOES KNOW! Now crawl on back into your bathroom and continue beating off to pictures of you in your little flight suit.
1factoid 3 years ago
Truth hurts, no?
n421tt 3 years ago
Yes, you're right, it's hard to admit you're an idiot!
1factoid 3 years ago
You said it. . .
n421tt 3 years ago
At least you're man enough to admit it.
1factoid 3 years ago
The Originator, William Kershner (look him up), of the SPIN TRAINING (that is FAA Approved and Award Winning industry wide) that she now runs is very good.
I have Four ATPs and One Commercial Certificate. I have ALL the CFI's. Six jet type ratings. Former Military ... etc.
I'd like to know what publications you can use to support your argument. Personal attacks aren't facts. Just a means to avoid the facts.
Grow Up!
jwhoneycomb 3 years ago 8
I don't give a shit if you've got a Shuttle rating, all that salad on your chest means nothing other than you kiss a good ass. And you're impressed he's annointed by the FED! What are you, some big government aparatchick? I'm STILL not impressed, G-Man! That's typical Leviathan-speak propping up 'Books unt Papers' to support your BS theories. I'm using the college of 'Been There, Done That, Learned From That!' Apparently YOU HAVEN'T, even with all your colorful, meaningless salad.
1factoid 3 years ago
1factoid, you have every reason to be cautious of spins. I myself know many multi-thousand hour pilots who are wary of treating spins, or any aerobatic maneuver for that matter, as run of the mill. With proper training, a skilled pilot can do many things, including spins, but one must always be aware of their personal limits.
But, to you and EVERYONE who has been commenting, please keep your future comments civil and free of profanity, rage, and ad hominem vitriol, or I will delete them.
freakybuzz 3 years ago
Is the purpose of this kind of training for personal safety or career advancement?I'm about to begin school for an AAS in pilot development and am wondering if this is something I should do after my private rating. As a skydiver, there are certain things that we only train on the ground and no sane person would intentionally do, even though it might seem safe, the overall survival chances drop dramatically. Is this the same kind of thing? or can you only learn it with an instructor and practice?
CrabtreeGuitar 3 years ago
A spin done at a proper height in a certified aircraft is perfectly safe. This is done during training to teach proper recovery and avoidance techniques. I would argue the spiral-dive is far more dangerous because it is easier to get into and not as intense... well... until the wings rip off anyways:)
Propsink 3 years ago 3
Apparently you are a graduate of the Colledge of nonsense. But hey, thanks anyway for keeping me entertained. I really enjoyed this little "Gibber-Fest"
n421tt 3 years ago
Actually, my family - the REAL aviators - are the ones who are entertained. And they aren't impressed AT ALL!
1factoid 3 years ago
Really strange reasoning you have 1factoid.
So, by your reasoning, that used to support your argument without facts, your own family is disqualified from giving advice. Strange.
I have a word for you ... its got your name written all over it ... "Cognitive Dissonance".
BTW, I've been flying for over 30 years. My father wouldn't solo me years ago without Spin Training.
In the future try to use some facts (your screen name is false otherwise) to avoid further embarrassment.
jwhoneycomb 3 years ago 2
I personally received spin training from Bill Kershner at Sewanee University and while spins are probably never something I would intentionally attempt outside a very carefully controlled environment, I am convinced they are safe given the proper aircraft, altitude, and precautions.
silentplummet 2 years ago
@1factoid
get over yourself.. you say your family fly's and hell you probably have friends that sky dive friends that eat fried food.. you will never understand what it means to take risks and enjoy life you nay saying coward.. get off your computer and do something worthy of posting yourself of shut up.
keetond 1 year ago
There are accidents during all phases of flight. Many people have been killed on take off, many on landing, do you suppose pilots should no longer take off or land? There is inherent risk in any flight. Granted that risk increases while doing acrobatics but riding a motorcycle is something I think is too great a risk but I spin. Your friends crash could have been cause by a variety things that you don't know. They may have been out of c.g. due to carelessness or perhaps a failure caused a shift.
FraserChristie 3 years ago
Dumbass bitch spin-queen....sounds like your jealous. That is a talent. Why beef up what you can do or what you shouldn't do. All that matters is that your having fun while doing it. Quit your whining and just enjoy the video...Its amazing to see that this can be done. Sorry to hear about your friends son but shit man, dont believe that shits going to happen to everybody. Chill
vintagepluto 2 years ago
you and your family need to sit back and chill. Look at a weight and balance and then tell me if the airplane is safe to spin. Spin it out of that, and it may get flat and unrecoverable. otherwise, the manufacturer woulden't certify for spins. in your own words, what happen if you enter a spin with an aft cg vs a forward cg factoid? i dont want some book answer either.
mikef4irider 3 years ago