This Blockade of the NORTH ATLANTIC is a joke by the Russians. It has tio be illegal for this thing to happen..In know it's just a film btw..lol..but Russia has no right to block countries like mine into this..How many ships or whatever would it take to blockade the North Atlantic anyways? Quite a lot I'd imagine, eh? I found this WW3 video when I started watching 1st Strike on here..Now that was a scary thing to watch..Not even having time to get their bombers off the ground? No 2 Nukes
Those hippie faggot protestors at the beginning here piss me off. They burn the American flag, burn their own democratically-elected President Bush in effigy, exonerate the Soviet dictator of everything, and then incredibly claim that they are for peace! They are just traitors, losers, and assholes - just like the liberals today.
The question of whether human beings are sane, unsane, or insane is the semantic and symbolic foundation of Science and Sanity: An Introduction to Non-Aristotelian Systems and General Semantics.
U.S.- Russian events during the administrations of Bush II and Putin while the Olympics in China were in play was tantamount to Hitler's posturing during the Olympics in Germany.
More so than Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia, Türkiye may well be the most formidable military-political power in the region.
I believe Hitler referred to peace movements as "useful idiots" which seemed to work for him when he took over Austria and Czech (I'm sorry I forgot the right spelling) I also might be misquoting but George Orwell said that "War is evil but it is often the lesser evil." So you have to ask yourself is war preferable to genocide?
@schizoidboy Nope, it was Stalin who used the phrase 'useful idiots' to describe the folks who, while they had good intentions at heart, didn't have a clue as to what they were advocating. Stalin used them to effect.
Get ready America..this is a depiction of what is to come here. Not by the Soviet Union, or any other government but our own. We already have thousands of U.N. equiptment and; along with our own military, troops stationed here in America. All of this is varifiable through your own research because you will not believe me. The current Administration and those in-line with his desires, are going to bring this country down. OBAMA IS OUR LAST PRESIDENT - COUNT ON IT! Wake-up America! Peace.
It makes you kinda think. The bomb shelters will probably save you from a nuclear blast, but would you want to survive? Would you want to live the remainder of your life in a bomb shelter or in a radioactive wasteland?
You really do have to stretch things to get to WW3 don't you? As this fake doc does quite a bit. The Soviets setting a line around all of Europe as an exclusion zone, is a huge stretch. Also, it may come up later, but where is China and India? The UN? The Arabs/Israel?The story is a WW3 one set inside a WW2 world, it just doesn't work that way in real life.
@verbusen What you seem to forget is the setting - this takes place in 1989/1990 and that was a completely different era from what we see today. I don't know about you, but I was born into a world where there was an Iron Curtain and a Cold War. In 1989 there was indeed a slight chance of hardliners taking over.Not so far fetched given the circumstances of 1989/1990.
tell u what, if u have witnessed the slaughter of the innocent, if u have felt the chill of death on your back.. and if u have seen in your nightmares the flames of war.. i assure u.. u dont want this war.
No doubt the F-14 and F-18 would kicked some serious ass in this senario...the Soviets had nothing close in terms of ship based fighters that could challenged them seriously.
Peace activist. No I don't think so. In the end Americans would pull together. When the cause is just then you will have the support of most Americans. Desert Storm is a perfect example of most Americans supporting a military action against obvious aggression, same with Bosnia. But you do something stupid like invade Iraq for no reason whatsoever then yes you will get opposition from many Americans.
@rallyone No, opposition to Iraq is what happens when there's a Republican in office that the mainstream media, the propaganda wing of the Democrat Party, declares war on.
@rallyone Actually, the US had good reason to invade. Saddam was committing Genocide against the Kurds and the Shia using chemical weapons such as VX, Sarin, and Chlorine Gas in Halabja. Its why the US set up the no-fly zones over the north and south after the Gulf War. Saddam responded by trying twice to assassinate Bush and shooting at our aircraft. He also is documented as having helped finance terror operations by Islamic Jihad, Abu Nidal, Abu Sayaf, the PLF and others.
LOL .... the air defense system rolling off the ship at 03:12 was my very first military assignment. But I went to Korea, which was the only place other than Germany & the states which had them deployed back then. It's the Chapparal, a good system then, but out-of-date now. We had fun with it however. I still have the umbilical cord & nose-cap from the missile I fired from one at Ft. Hood. Don't know if I'm SUPPOSE to have it, but I do. :) :)
You're more than a little dishonest in your comparison.
Cuba's government was overrun in a Communist-backed coup. They set up a totalitarian state. Then they allowed the USSR to place offensive nuclear weapons in their country. The USA set up a blockade that ONLY prevented the import of more nukes. Trade was not impaired.
In this scenario, the free nations of Europe are being effectively sealed into the Soviet sphere of control.
@06hurdwp So--the Soviets brutally crack heads to put down pro-democracy movements in east Germany. Blockade Western access to Berlin in clear violation of treaties. Then declare a blockade of the entirety of Western Europe and tell NATO to "kiss our ass!". I think we were justified in challenging it--not only the U.S. but all the NATO countries.
So blow off! you little anti-American pro-commie troll! Go and move to North Korea where you can sing the praises of the Great Leader---or else!
@macconnell100 Actually not the US blocked only nukes on the begging. Here also the soviets only blocked the military supplies and personnel from reaching Europe, while there was no mention of trade. I would say take that capitalist revisionist, if i myself was not one :D.
@macconnell100 Free nations!!!!. Free to be unemployed, poor so that a few can be rich, conned by a capitalist press, allowed to vote every so often -again dictated by the press, watched constantly by cameras on our "free" streets, lied to about wars for oil. Free to have poor education and inadequate health services Free to allow bankers to destroy our lives. Freedom to do what exactly?
@macconnell100 It's scary how deep the fear of communist ideas seems to have sunk in the American mind. A lot of comments mention 'communist' + 'random insult'. Interesting about the Cuba crisis is that many American viewpoints don't seem to be aware of the fact that there were US intermediate-range missiles stationed in Turkey and West Germany. Once the Soviets put up the same threat against the US, the response was the planning of an invasion of Cuba and the installation of a sea blockade.
This is a frightening movie of what could have happened. I am so thankful it didn't. Very well edited and produced. Is the narrator Mr. David McCallum?
I am watching this for the first time, having recently watched 'Threads' which I remember watching on its original broadcast on the BBC in 1984.
So far this is looking like a well made documentary of something that [thank God it didn't] could have happened if the uprising by communist hardliners against Gorbachov had been successful
I am watching this for the first time, having recently watched 'Threads' which I remember watching on its original broadcast on the BBC in 1984.
So far this is looking like a well made documentary of something that [thank God it didn't] could have happened if the uprising by communist hardliners against Gorbachov had been sucessful
@RoxRock4ever I'd like to think those thousands died for the country, people, and the ideals that they encompass, not for a mere symbol of that country.
All this tough talk was all about saddam Husain! I like how they edited it to make it look like they were talking about the soviet union and their leader rather than some 4th rate dictator.
@pitcalco God, I despise pacifists. Honestly, I think surrendering to aggression like that is worse then death. If clowns like them had their way we'd probably all be part of a huge Nazi Empire stretching all of Europe, Asia and America today.
Other than that this movie is of German origin, it has the following perspective: Everyone in German army knew that if there'd be war the Soviets would use tactical nukes to create breakthrough points and NATO would use nuclear area denial attacks to stop Soviet breakthroughs and reinforcements. Central Europe would be screwed however things turnt out as tactical nukes were integral parts of the war plans of both sides. Tactical nukes afterall still had yields exceeding Hiroshima and Nagasaki
@kybelian: Well, it is one of the weak points in this scenario because such a significant loss of military lives and equipment on both sides would mean war no matter what.
What the nitpickers about the peace movement however are completely oblivious of seems to be the dimension of any such global war with nukes and 40 years of military buildup. That there still would be people rather wanting peace instead of war no matter how is the only sane reaction in an insane dynamic beyond control.
This creative use of old news footage makes the movie reflect the way most of us would really experience the run-up to a major war. This is a view of armageddon from the couch.
@Aurorasr91rs91 How dare you insult sincere American anti-war protestors.
No one on the Left was a fan of Stalin after the 1940s, except for a small number of weirdos in the American Communist Party.
American Progressivism pre-dates the existence of Communism. It is its own stream of thought, independent of Marx. And it is not treasonous, it is a form of patriotism.
I was a very little boy in the late 80's & this (and for some reason I just watched something called "threads" a few minutes ago as well which led me to this link which was even more terrifying) is bringing back some unwelcome memories...
Yes. I especially remember President George H W Bush's comment about "Hitler revisited" as it pertained to the late Saddam Hussein. So, yes, a lot of the U.S. comments early in the film are related to Operation Desert Storm.
We had a similar thing to Duck and Cover in the UK. It was called Protect and Survive. You should check it out. It's funny in a very dark way. Also, the films Threads and When the Wind Blows are good meat for thought. We're still living in the nuclear age after all.
@patrikasLTL I agree... however the problem with shelters is that the Russians have enough nukes to blanket all of North America with a direct hit every square yard.
Actually in 1990 there would have put in action the strategy called "air-land-battle", very similar to what was used against Iraq in the very next year
So---the Soviet hardliners bump-off Gorbachev, brutally crack heads to end any sort of reform movement in East Germany. Blockade West Berlin in violation of treaty, declare a blockade of Europe and tells NATO to "kiss our ass!". And peace demonstrators in New York call for surrender and appeasment. This movie does not depict the Peace Movement in a very flattering light.
@frantic1971 i think this movie aims to depict what could have happened it the soviet union and america hadn't reached an agreement thank god they did
@killman369547 I am glad they did to. I think the movie does depict a very plausible scenario. Fortunately sane heads on both sides did prevent it. And when the attempted coup did occur in Russia, it was actually the Russian people who massively opposed it. Soviet-style communisim was dead and the corpse could never be resucitated. There are some who nostalgically look back on it, but it's now in the dustbin of history.
@frantic1971 yes but im still somewhat sad the ussr collapsed i had a nicr home there but when democracy came to the ukraine i lost everything whatever i had left paid for a 1 way flight to canada
That's a very realistic depiction if you know anything about the leftist "peace movement" (which btw. was financed and guided from the eastern bloc) in West Germany. If it is not very flattering that's due to the fact, that these were mostly a bunch of "useful idiots" (W.I.Lenin), naive morons, without any sense for military aspects.
I guess it depends upon what kind of a mind is watching this and making that assessment. They are calling for cooler heads to prevail and a diplomatic solution instead of the headlong rush to war. Military force should be the absolute FINAL unthinkable option, not the first as so many hotheads love to assume and encourage. Knee-jerk militarism has been dictating the events of this out-of-control scenario from the outset instead of common sense and discussion..
The tail had been wagging the dog every step of the way here.
The only ones portrayed in an unflattering light are the lying politicians talking out of both sides of their mouths and their bullshit games of military brinksmanship.
Let's see how this all turns out and who "wins".
10,000 years of civilization and humans have not learned a damned thing.
@frantic1971 Not flattering, but accurate. The "peace movement" thinks that life under the bootheel of the hammer and sickle would be an acceptable price to pay - even to the extent of making everyone else pay it along with them.
@thedungeondelver Thank you for your parroting of a common standard chickenhawk lie. That one fits right in alongside "anybody against war isn't patriotic" and "anybody who opposes the Iraq adventure must be on the side of the terrorists".
I can assure you that most in the "peace movement" (as if it is a single entity) would fight like hell if it was THE ONLY OPTION to avoid oppression. We speak against it daily on behalf of all peoples of the world and condemn the endless wars for the rich
@MrMeineNamen Don't think he was trying to quote Einstein my friend. It's a direct quote from Lord Mountbatten. Einstein's was a bit different, but the meaning remains the same.
Or enjoy 20 years of nuclear winter (followed by nuclear summer). Having no infrastructure remaining and a world class American "education" (lol), I'm positive that the 5% of you that survive will succeed in building the greatest medieval system on the planet, enjoy being a cocksucking peasant, serf, or cannibal food if you do survive.
@myhatsonfire Predictions of catastrophic nuclear winter came from before we had the systems capable of doing the sophisticated modeling needed to realize it is largely bunk, or came from the likes of Carl Sagan who were political motivated activists rather than real scientists.
Would there be environmental damage from a full nuclear exchange? Of course. A couple-degree average temp drop probably, maybe even a year without a summer. But would it be a generation of darkness? Nope, not even close
@Halo4Lyf Dismissing Sagan as an activist (who was considered smarter than most chess champions) and providing no evidence for your claims sounds like junk science
According to a study in 2006, a nuclear war between India and Pakistan (100 nukes between em) would deplete most of the ozone layer and food supply and drop temperatures up to 20 degrees for a decade. Studies that have been done since then have shown even worse. Now imagine what the 20,000+ nukes between the US and Russia would do.
@Halo4Lyf Carl Sagan was a real scientist. He was the first to explain and prove the high surface temperature of Venus and performed critical work on many of the planatery system's moons.
But one must remember that his degree was in the Philosophy of Astrophysics and Astronomy, which, yes, led him into semi-political activism simply because he realized and then fostered the rational ideals that we are but a small dot in a vast cosmos. His books on the philosophy of space has touched millions.
@Halo4Lyf As much as admire the late Dr. Sagan as an astronomer, his (and others like him) predictions of "nuclear winter" had more to do with political agendas rather then science. Read Creason Kearney's "Nuclear War Survival Skills" where he devotes an entire chapter to debunking nuclear war myths. Regarding "nuclear winter" he references the summer 1986 Foreign Affairs article by Thomspon and Schneider, NCAR scientists who concluded that "nuclear winter" was "improbable".
@zooeyhall: "NCAR scientists who concluded that "nuclear winter" was "improbable"."
We would all wish, wouldn't we? But unfortunately, the pro-nuke side had only very few, if any at all, actual facts on their side, and nothing else but lots of propaganda.
@zooeyhall Exactly! Funny story, Carl Sagan is the one that finally convinced me Nuclear Winter is false. He admitted the idea came from observing Mars. That was when I was convinced that it was an illusion. I had previously come to the conclusion on my own prior, but there's my external processed evidence!
So you're willing to gamble on the word "improbable?" At the very least, hundreds of millions will die. If your gamble is wrong, billions worldwide will die. Unlike many Americans, I don't consider either of those to be acceptable casualties. The insanity of nuclear weapons and their supporters must stop, before they stop all of us.
@stewartx5 Exactly, but the governments of the free nations continue to support the inspection and a constant eye on their bundles of joy. I think its time we ALL stopped sitting on our lazy asses, and tell them enough is enough. If we are truly a free world, then the people of that word have a say in the matter. We need to tell them to stop being so paranoid and let freedom ring, so to speak.
@zooeyhall Both the Soviets and the west independently arrived at the nuclear winter scenario in the 1980s. Since then, with better knowledge of climate and the atmosphere, and better tools at our disposal, once again predictions have been made about the possibility of a nuclear winter in an all-out exchange.
It turns out that we were wrong, the 1980s predictions were OPTIMISTIC. The nuclear winter would be more devastating than we thought.
@zooeyhall (continued) - such that even a regional nuclear conflict between India and Pakistan with an exchange of only 50 weapons on civilian targets would result in a "nuclear autumn" that would have serious enough consequences for food supply. An all-out US/Soviet exchange would result in conditions so severe that mid-day light levels would only be that of a moonlit night. Creason Kearney is wrong.
@zooeyhall So where the hell was the clouds, ash, soot and radioactive dust supposed to go? Of course you'd have a nuclear winter effect. And I draw little comfort from the noption that an upside of a nuclear attack would be that there would be no "nuclear winter"
@zooeyhall I agree wholeheartedly, though you have to remember that this was of course going on during the Cold War. So to an extent, almost everything was considered political, including the late Dr. Sagan's particular leanings. It was very much politics then, as it is now.
"War is a continuation of politics by other means." Carl Von Clausewitz
Wait... so the Soviets pull a Kennedy in Cuba, but we call them on it, they kill tens of thousands of soldiers by sinking convey ships, we sink enough of their Northern Fleet that they pull back to regroup, and it's NOT ON? I bought everything up until this point.
people in Russia and Germany America are quite smart talented people, why are the politicians trying to kill them? If it wasnt for th intelligence of them, their countries would be just nothing. None of the leaders are great intellectuals althoug they have stars in war they lose a game of chess, they are trying to kill their own people who have realy worked for the country.
I would only trust a shelter built by the Germans; compare the British "shelters" in the film "BBC - Threads" - pathetic cellar shanty towns from WW 2. - sometimes you wonder how can two people living next to each other yet so different. And Sweden - the Swedish idea of a shelter is go down your basement and hold your breath while thinking happy thoughts.
i'm not gonna go anywhere and not gonna give some politician fool a good reason to start a war. better keep our stupid politicians alert about their duties not to press the damn button
Most of the comments made by the politicians are regarding Iraq in 1991. The rest are actors on a scrpit. This movie is very well put together and a realistic possibility back in 1990.
REFORGER 88 scared the Soviets to death. We moved 95,000 troops, three full Divisions, including a Heavy Armoured Division,and ALL of thier equipment, from the U.S., to the Fulda Gap, and the Northern Plains of Germany.
This came at the same time as the unrest in Poland, and the the KGB thought the deployments meant we were about to invade Poland. Luckily, Soviet Military Intelligence thought otherwise, based on fuels stockpiles in Germany.
@OSUFan1972 Except its doubtful that there would be US protests after such a major sea battle with the Soviet Union. The protests have been against US military actions in 3rd World countries though those were proxy wars. People would understand what such a 'conventional' battle with the Soviet Union meant given these circumstances presented in this movie.
damn hippies
AtomPilsener 2 weeks ago
"Anyone who has provoked Russia has med a bad end" Is that so? Explain the eastern front of WW1. Revolution as it was, russia still gave up.
BaltySalls117 3 weeks ago
americans burning american flags that wouldn't happen
fatwalrus23x 3 weeks ago
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Operation Vodka. Airdrop millions of ton of vodka across lines and wait for the ruskies to get wasted and hit them
btqy 1 month ago
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btqy 1 month ago
ok, so I think some of the video clips are made as a movie (faked) with fake actors, etc, but made as a documentary to appear real.
creativeprojects720 2 months ago
@creativeprojects720 YOU DON'T SAY!?!
gtaclevelandcity 1 month ago
@gtaclevelandcity I do say. and I tell it like it is.
creativeprojects720 1 month ago
these are real video clips mostly, correct? And they are edited together and taken out of context, to tell an entirely fake made up story (of ww3)
creativeprojects720 2 months ago
Why the hell does the US get the hammer? And I fucking hate this grey background.
IcyAffinity 3 months ago 3
1:28 When reffering to the Warsaw Pact, it goes straight to Canada.
123WhiteHawk123 3 months ago
@123WhiteHawk123 After showing Romania...
MattCornish1969 2 months ago
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who else thinks that watching this movie is like stepping into a parallel universe ?
kjah11 3 months ago
i saw Malaysia's president! my country ;D
BlindShorty11 3 months ago in playlist More videos from ColdWarWarriors
This Blockade of the NORTH ATLANTIC is a joke by the Russians. It has tio be illegal for this thing to happen..In know it's just a film btw..lol..but Russia has no right to block countries like mine into this..How many ships or whatever would it take to blockade the North Atlantic anyways? Quite a lot I'd imagine, eh? I found this WW3 video when I started watching 1st Strike on here..Now that was a scary thing to watch..Not even having time to get their bombers off the ground? No 2 Nukes
reaper060670 3 months ago
Argh meant 'teabagger'
Warsie 4 months ago
@cfrait1968 Niiice, just came back from a transfuse rally?
Warsie 4 months ago
Those hippie faggot protestors at the beginning here piss me off. They burn the American flag, burn their own democratically-elected President Bush in effigy, exonerate the Soviet dictator of everything, and then incredibly claim that they are for peace! They are just traitors, losers, and assholes - just like the liberals today.
cfrait1968 4 months ago
@cfrait1968 Wrong. All the republicans and, especially the Tea Party activists are a shame for humanity.
radurambo 4 months ago
The question of whether human beings are sane, unsane, or insane is the semantic and symbolic foundation of Science and Sanity: An Introduction to Non-Aristotelian Systems and General Semantics.
U.S.- Russian events during the administrations of Bush II and Putin while the Olympics in China were in play was tantamount to Hitler's posturing during the Olympics in Germany.
More so than Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia, Türkiye may well be the most formidable military-political power in the region.
spiritech999 5 months ago
I believe Hitler referred to peace movements as "useful idiots" which seemed to work for him when he took over Austria and Czech (I'm sorry I forgot the right spelling) I also might be misquoting but George Orwell said that "War is evil but it is often the lesser evil." So you have to ask yourself is war preferable to genocide?
schizoidboy 5 months ago 6
@schizoidboy Lenin first made "useful idiots" popular, but Hitler sure liked the phrase.
ChristopherSaindon 3 months ago in playlist Looking Glass
@schizoidboy Nope, it was Stalin who used the phrase 'useful idiots' to describe the folks who, while they had good intentions at heart, didn't have a clue as to what they were advocating. Stalin used them to effect.
Trapster99 1 week ago
You're just another grubby little anti-communist liar.
The USSR only repsonded in Cuba to stop what we were already doing within striking distance of Moscow from eastern Turkey.
randolphfreedmartz 5 months ago
malaysia pun ada la :D hebat2
santacruzbass88 5 months ago
Get ready America..this is a depiction of what is to come here. Not by the Soviet Union, or any other government but our own. We already have thousands of U.N. equiptment and; along with our own military, troops stationed here in America. All of this is varifiable through your own research because you will not believe me. The current Administration and those in-line with his desires, are going to bring this country down. OBAMA IS OUR LAST PRESIDENT - COUNT ON IT! Wake-up America! Peace.
hopenchrist777 5 months ago
for the USSR
sovietdog17 6 months ago
It makes you kinda think. The bomb shelters will probably save you from a nuclear blast, but would you want to survive? Would you want to live the remainder of your life in a bomb shelter or in a radioactive wasteland?
CrimsonGuard1992 6 months ago 2
I am pleased that this never happened. The world would have been in ruins in the time I would have been born
sumrandomguy3 7 months ago
Its funny how the dumb asses are callingout bush even though the soviets fired first? 0-o
MrLovestospoog 7 months ago 2
An effigy of Bush Sr. or Jr.?
MabusZero 8 months ago
@MabusZero Bush Senior. Junior wasn't even governor of Texas yet he was a political nobody during the late 80s/early 90s.
UninsaneRocker 7 months ago
@UninsaneRocker I know. I keep forgetting sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internet.
MabusZero 7 months ago
@MabusZero Sorry lol
UninsaneRocker 7 months ago
I continue to admire the Russian in this mockumentary. Matches ALL subtitles. Good job!
ChairmanKam 9 months ago in playlist M.Ch - Documentary
You really do have to stretch things to get to WW3 don't you? As this fake doc does quite a bit. The Soviets setting a line around all of Europe as an exclusion zone, is a huge stretch. Also, it may come up later, but where is China and India? The UN? The Arabs/Israel?The story is a WW3 one set inside a WW2 world, it just doesn't work that way in real life.
verbusen 9 months ago
@verbusen What you seem to forget is the setting - this takes place in 1989/1990 and that was a completely different era from what we see today. I don't know about you, but I was born into a world where there was an Iron Curtain and a Cold War. In 1989 there was indeed a slight chance of hardliners taking over.Not so far fetched given the circumstances of 1989/1990.
totalermist 9 months ago
I remember exactly where I was that winter so this is a bit disturbing.
Noodles37UK 9 months ago
typical, the USSR justifies their aggression and brutality as being the poor defenseless little kid just trying to protect themselves. pathetic.
iKillwolfZX 9 months ago
This documentry feels like two group of kids disagreeing on something. Hitler left a bunch of idiots to run the world.
bryan82034 10 months ago
Read Red Storm Rising by Tom Clancy, damn good book.
gtaclevelandcity 10 months ago
@gtaclevelandcity I've read that book about 15 times, it never gets old.
lima33ful 10 months ago
tell u what, if u have witnessed the slaughter of the innocent, if u have felt the chill of death on your back.. and if u have seen in your nightmares the flames of war.. i assure u.. u dont want this war.
teddythebenny 10 months ago
state of emergency?
A couple of weeks after the entire soviet navy has been sunk.
Seems kinda late :-)
karlhelvede 11 months ago
@karlhelvede
What "entire navy" ?! :)
AnteyPL 11 months ago
No doubt the F-14 and F-18 would kicked some serious ass in this senario...the Soviets had nothing close in terms of ship based fighters that could challenged them seriously.
vardiss22 1 year ago
@vardiss22
Except Backfires to blow the Nimitz out of the water.
Greatherlorre 11 months ago
@vardiss22
But had more than enough SAMs on their ships...
AnteyPL 11 months ago
Peace activist. No I don't think so. In the end Americans would pull together. When the cause is just then you will have the support of most Americans. Desert Storm is a perfect example of most Americans supporting a military action against obvious aggression, same with Bosnia. But you do something stupid like invade Iraq for no reason whatsoever then yes you will get opposition from many Americans.
rallyone 1 year ago 18
@rallyone Didn't most Americans support the Iraq war?
JFDA5458 1 year ago
@rallyone No, opposition to Iraq is what happens when there's a Republican in office that the mainstream media, the propaganda wing of the Democrat Party, declares war on.
Halo4Lyf 5 months ago
@rallyone Actually, the US had good reason to invade. Saddam was committing Genocide against the Kurds and the Shia using chemical weapons such as VX, Sarin, and Chlorine Gas in Halabja. Its why the US set up the no-fly zones over the north and south after the Gulf War. Saddam responded by trying twice to assassinate Bush and shooting at our aircraft. He also is documented as having helped finance terror operations by Islamic Jihad, Abu Nidal, Abu Sayaf, the PLF and others.
KellAnderson 2 months ago
@KellAnderson and who gave em those weapons? ;)
moartzen 1 month ago
@rallyone Sadam's leadership was based of that of Stalin,Hitler and Mussolini.
BaltySalls117 3 weeks ago
@rallyone To support our reasons to invade, however it was a pointless war. I have a mix of opinions to be honest.
BaltySalls117 3 weeks ago
08:34 Józef Beck: My Polacy nie znamy pojęcia pokoju za wszelką cenę
misieq79 1 year ago
lol at 8:45 Translation: "Imagine it's war and Bush's not allowed to join"
MrRammsteinKicksAss 1 year ago
LOL .... the air defense system rolling off the ship at 03:12 was my very first military assignment. But I went to Korea, which was the only place other than Germany & the states which had them deployed back then. It's the Chapparal, a good system then, but out-of-date now. We had fun with it however. I still have the umbilical cord & nose-cap from the missile I fired from one at Ft. Hood. Don't know if I'm SUPPOSE to have it, but I do. :) :)
offamychain 1 year ago
Am I the only one who is remembered of Danzig here?
The parallel is astounding.
nero91 1 year ago
arrogant america...
graciemaemarie11 1 year ago
Fucking American hypocrites. Feel free to blockade Cuba but can't accept the Soviets making a blockade
06hurdwp 1 year ago
@06hurdwp
You're more than a little dishonest in your comparison.
Cuba's government was overrun in a Communist-backed coup. They set up a totalitarian state. Then they allowed the USSR to place offensive nuclear weapons in their country. The USA set up a blockade that ONLY prevented the import of more nukes. Trade was not impaired.
In this scenario, the free nations of Europe are being effectively sealed into the Soviet sphere of control.
You're just another grubby little communist liar.
macconnell100 1 year ago 6
@macconnell100 1.) I'm not a communist
2.) A blockade is still a blockade
06hurdwp 1 year ago
@06hurdwp So--the Soviets brutally crack heads to put down pro-democracy movements in east Germany. Blockade Western access to Berlin in clear violation of treaties. Then declare a blockade of the entirety of Western Europe and tell NATO to "kiss our ass!". I think we were justified in challenging it--not only the U.S. but all the NATO countries.
So blow off! you little anti-American pro-commie troll! Go and move to North Korea where you can sing the praises of the Great Leader---or else!
zooeyhall 1 year ago 2
@macconnell100 Let the little twerp move to North Korea, where he can spend his days singing the praises of the Great Leader---or else!
zooeyhall 1 year ago 2
@macconnell100 Actually not the US blocked only nukes on the begging. Here also the soviets only blocked the military supplies and personnel from reaching Europe, while there was no mention of trade. I would say take that capitalist revisionist, if i myself was not one :D.
Teranex 5 months ago
@macconnell100 Free nations!!!!. Free to be unemployed, poor so that a few can be rich, conned by a capitalist press, allowed to vote every so often -again dictated by the press, watched constantly by cameras on our "free" streets, lied to about wars for oil. Free to have poor education and inadequate health services Free to allow bankers to destroy our lives. Freedom to do what exactly?
TheVivazapata38 4 months ago
@macconnell100 It's scary how deep the fear of communist ideas seems to have sunk in the American mind. A lot of comments mention 'communist' + 'random insult'. Interesting about the Cuba crisis is that many American viewpoints don't seem to be aware of the fact that there were US intermediate-range missiles stationed in Turkey and West Germany. Once the Soviets put up the same threat against the US, the response was the planning of an invasion of Cuba and the installation of a sea blockade.
Bananenbrotbaer 4 months ago
@Bananenbrotbaer Right, bro
radurambo 4 months ago
@macconnell100 Nonsense. In Cuba there is more democracy than in USA
radurambo 4 months ago
@radurambo Been there of late have you?
MattCornish1969 2 months ago
@06hurdwp I'm from Germany and if Russia would block our harbors I would expect from the Americans that they help us (NATO)
MrRammsteinKicksAss 1 year ago 2
This is a frightening movie of what could have happened. I am so thankful it didn't. Very well edited and produced. Is the narrator Mr. David McCallum?
peppercar 1 year ago
@peppercar I think we are all thankful that it didn't happen.
AmericanAirlinesRule 1 year ago
4:34....Hey, Fallout fans....Vault Tec's been there...
YimChun 1 year ago
I am watching this for the first time, having recently watched 'Threads' which I remember watching on its original broadcast on the BBC in 1984.
So far this is looking like a well made documentary of something that [thank God it didn't] could have happened if the uprising by communist hardliners against Gorbachov had been successful
Kaosapts 1 year ago
I am watching this for the first time, having recently watched 'Threads' which I remember watching on its original broadcast on the BBC in 1984.
So far this is looking like a well made documentary of something that [thank God it didn't] could have happened if the uprising by communist hardliners against Gorbachov had been sucessful
Kaosapts 1 year ago
It does seem futile. By the 1970's, very few underground facilities were capable of providing good protection from a nuclear blast.
wvd1979 1 year ago
The woman with the white hair needs to dye it black or something and it also looks like seaweed hairstyle!
rangeclerk 1 year ago
peace demonstrators mess everything up. Plus, I have a natural hatred for those who burn a flag that thousands have died for.
RoxRock4ever 1 year ago 2
@RoxRock4ever I'd like to think those thousands died for the country, people, and the ideals that they encompass, not for a mere symbol of that country.
BravoSquirrel 1 year ago
All this tough talk was all about saddam Husain! I like how they edited it to make it look like they were talking about the soviet union and their leader rather than some 4th rate dictator.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 very true, clever editing.
Prime4571 1 year ago
"I would like to remind distinguished US secretary of state that so far everyone who has made war on us has met a very bad end"
well I can't say he's ling :(
both Napoleon and Hitler have met a very bad end !
om996jo 1 year ago
@om996jo
They had their asses handed to them by the Germans in WWI, the Afghans and the Chechens.
macconnell100 1 year ago
@macconnell100
true though.
but I don't think that the Chechens won I mean Russia came back and defeated them 3 years later in 1999.
om996jo 1 year ago
Notice how so-called "peace activists" aren't for peace but are simply traitors agitating for the enemy?
pitcalco 1 year ago
@pitcalco God, I despise pacifists. Honestly, I think surrendering to aggression like that is worse then death. If clowns like them had their way we'd probably all be part of a huge Nazi Empire stretching all of Europe, Asia and America today.
antred11 1 year ago 2
@antred11 Yes, and such pacifists would be delighted.
pitcalco 1 year ago
@pitcalco
They usually are.
macconnell100 1 year ago
@patrikasLTL heh, yeh true. then boom, yur shelter is wiped away, along with the us government, and everything else!
mikefan09 1 year ago
Other than that this movie is of German origin, it has the following perspective: Everyone in German army knew that if there'd be war the Soviets would use tactical nukes to create breakthrough points and NATO would use nuclear area denial attacks to stop Soviet breakthroughs and reinforcements. Central Europe would be screwed however things turnt out as tactical nukes were integral parts of the war plans of both sides. Tactical nukes afterall still had yields exceeding Hiroshima and Nagasaki
kMondrakken 1 year ago
@kybelian: Well, it is one of the weak points in this scenario because such a significant loss of military lives and equipment on both sides would mean war no matter what.
What the nitpickers about the peace movement however are completely oblivious of seems to be the dimension of any such global war with nukes and 40 years of military buildup. That there still would be people rather wanting peace instead of war no matter how is the only sane reaction in an insane dynamic beyond control.
kMondrakken 1 year ago
This creative use of old news footage makes the movie reflect the way most of us would really experience the run-up to a major war. This is a view of armageddon from the couch.
SubmarinerAndroid 1 year ago
most peaceful groups were funded by the kgb and arent peaceful in demonstrations they are just staline fans...
Aurorasr91rs91 1 year ago
@Aurorasr91rs91 How dare you insult sincere American anti-war protestors.
No one on the Left was a fan of Stalin after the 1940s, except for a small number of weirdos in the American Communist Party.
American Progressivism pre-dates the existence of Communism. It is its own stream of thought, independent of Marx. And it is not treasonous, it is a form of patriotism.
SubmarinerAndroid 1 year ago
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A gdje Besopastnos nasche naxoditzja t zevodnja ?
muktuklou 1 year ago
I was a very little boy in the late 80's & this (and for some reason I just watched something called "threads" a few minutes ago as well which led me to this link which was even more terrifying) is bringing back some unwelcome memories...
james1200 1 year ago 2
Only 31,000 views? Well shit! People need to get with the program!
theDirtyGupta01 1 year ago
this would have to be the most acurate fictional ww3 movie ever
stickydragon357 1 year ago
@WyllowMorrigan,
Yes. I especially remember President George H W Bush's comment about "Hitler revisited" as it pertained to the late Saddam Hussein. So, yes, a lot of the U.S. comments early in the film are related to Operation Desert Storm.
knightryderrwn 1 year ago
@patrikasLTL
We had a similar thing to Duck and Cover in the UK. It was called Protect and Survive. You should check it out. It's funny in a very dark way. Also, the films Threads and When the Wind Blows are good meat for thought. We're still living in the nuclear age after all.
Pooknottin 1 year ago
A gdje naxoditzja nasche Besopastnost zevodnja ?
DL1RMP 1 year ago
@patrikasLTL You forgot put your head between your legs as you wait for the help from the goverment...
thegreatokie 1 year ago
@patrikasLTL I agree... however the problem with shelters is that the Russians have enough nukes to blanket all of North America with a direct hit every square yard.
Experiment632 1 year ago
Actually in 1990 there would have put in action the strategy called "air-land-battle", very similar to what was used against Iraq in the very next year
anisocoro 1 year ago 2
So---the Soviet hardliners bump-off Gorbachev, brutally crack heads to end any sort of reform movement in East Germany. Blockade West Berlin in violation of treaty, declare a blockade of Europe and tells NATO to "kiss our ass!". And peace demonstrators in New York call for surrender and appeasment. This movie does not depict the Peace Movement in a very flattering light.
frantic1971 1 year ago 20
@frantic1971 Exactly.
rosihantu1 1 year ago
@frantic1971 The Peace Movement generally isn't for peace. They're just rooting for the other side.
Halo4Lyf 1 year ago
@Halo4Lyf You do realise your statement could be said in the 30s in germany with ease (in nazi propaganda)?
kunstsein 1 year ago
@kunstsein Most anti-nuke and anti-NATO groups in Europe were funded by the the KGB. This is documented.
Also, fuck you for breaking Godwin's Law.
Halo4Lyf 1 year ago
@Halo4Lyf this is goofy and i just don't
kunstsein 1 year ago
@frantic1971 No, but, it DOES depict the so-called "Peace Movement" very accurately.
PaulUmbarger 1 year ago
@frantic1971
Accurate though, isn't it.
macconnell100 1 year ago
@frantic1971 i think this movie aims to depict what could have happened it the soviet union and america hadn't reached an agreement thank god they did
killman369547 1 year ago
@killman369547 I am glad they did to. I think the movie does depict a very plausible scenario. Fortunately sane heads on both sides did prevent it. And when the attempted coup did occur in Russia, it was actually the Russian people who massively opposed it. Soviet-style communisim was dead and the corpse could never be resucitated. There are some who nostalgically look back on it, but it's now in the dustbin of history.
frantic1971 1 year ago
@frantic1971 yes but im still somewhat sad the ussr collapsed i had a nicr home there but when democracy came to the ukraine i lost everything whatever i had left paid for a 1 way flight to canada
killman369547 1 year ago
@frantic1971 Well, lets face it's probably what the Peace Movement would of done
atomicR4GER 1 year ago
@frantic1971 Easy man--Its just a Movie--Hello! and it was 20 plus years ago.Relax--LOL
walleyrt69 11 months ago
@frantic1971 BUT, what it does do is depict them in an HONEST light, therein lies the rub (as it were).
BunkerGearGal 11 months ago
@frantic1971
That's a very realistic depiction if you know anything about the leftist "peace movement" (which btw. was financed and guided from the eastern bloc) in West Germany. If it is not very flattering that's due to the fact, that these were mostly a bunch of "useful idiots" (W.I.Lenin), naive morons, without any sense for military aspects.
DerPanzerbaer 11 months ago
@frantic1971 Does it?
I guess it depends upon what kind of a mind is watching this and making that assessment. They are calling for cooler heads to prevail and a diplomatic solution instead of the headlong rush to war. Military force should be the absolute FINAL unthinkable option, not the first as so many hotheads love to assume and encourage. Knee-jerk militarism has been dictating the events of this out-of-control scenario from the outset instead of common sense and discussion..
cont'd
UTubeIsTrackingYou 10 months ago
cont'd
The tail had been wagging the dog every step of the way here.
The only ones portrayed in an unflattering light are the lying politicians talking out of both sides of their mouths and their bullshit games of military brinksmanship.
Let's see how this all turns out and who "wins".
10,000 years of civilization and humans have not learned a damned thing.
Peace is not a dirty word
UTubeIsTrackingYou 10 months ago
@frantic1971 Not flattering, but accurate. The "peace movement" thinks that life under the bootheel of the hammer and sickle would be an acceptable price to pay - even to the extent of making everyone else pay it along with them.
thedungeondelver 10 months ago
@thedungeondelver Thank you for your parroting of a common standard chickenhawk lie. That one fits right in alongside "anybody against war isn't patriotic" and "anybody who opposes the Iraq adventure must be on the side of the terrorists".
I can assure you that most in the "peace movement" (as if it is a single entity) would fight like hell if it was THE ONLY OPTION to avoid oppression. We speak against it daily on behalf of all peoples of the world and condemn the endless wars for the rich
UTubeIsTrackingYou 10 months ago
@frantic1971 Well it's either give in to the russiasn or we all get nuked. Peace demonstrators win.
ProbeIke 10 months ago
@frantic1971
But its true. When Germany invaded Poland, people were walking around with sings "Do you want to die for Danzig?"
The majority of people aren't really interested in dying for some ideals of freedom or other country.
DurrDerp 7 months ago
i like this most films on ww3 have just a quick nuclear battle but thats not what would happen imediatly enjoying the realism for once
theworldisyettobe 1 year ago
if ww3 is fought with nuclear weapons, then ww4 will be fought with bows and arrows....
goombahjone 1 year ago
@goombahjone fail at quoting Einstein
MrMeineNamen 1 year ago
@MrMeineNamen Don't think he was trying to quote Einstein my friend. It's a direct quote from Lord Mountbatten. Einstein's was a bit different, but the meaning remains the same.
OneWorldHistory 1 year ago
@goombahjone
Why?
ChristophDollis 1 year ago
"State of Emergency"?
I guess the correct translation would be "State of Defence".
knutfan1234567890 1 year ago
the events of the last 24 hours?? let's see if they blockade european countries then it would be the soviets who started wwIII
merrittolsen 1 year ago
muffy was here.....8/9/1997
Italyrocks1000 1 year ago
This is where the movie gets unrealistic, the Soviets are agressive but they are not mad. They don't seek for nuclear war.
lowerlowerhk 2 years ago
They should have built vaults...
lowerlowerhk 2 years ago
omg... i thought this shit was real til they attacked the convey!!! hahahaha.. and i was thinking like, wait.. wasn't there NO war!?
stlvi3tsoldi3r 2 years ago
No, that's the liberal (usually urban or suburban Democrat) American response.
Real American (usually fairly apolitical unless you really push 'em) response:
1. Go to shelter you built and stocked yourself. Ride out nuke fight.
2. Wait 4-6 weeks for fallout to degrade to relatively safe levels.
3. Emerge into shattered world to rebuild greatest nation on Earth.
4. Pray that what's left of the government doesn't get in the way.
Halo4Lyf 2 years ago
@Halo4Lyf
Or enjoy 20 years of nuclear winter (followed by nuclear summer). Having no infrastructure remaining and a world class American "education" (lol), I'm positive that the 5% of you that survive will succeed in building the greatest medieval system on the planet, enjoy being a cocksucking peasant, serf, or cannibal food if you do survive.
myhatsonfire 1 year ago
@myhatsonfire Predictions of catastrophic nuclear winter came from before we had the systems capable of doing the sophisticated modeling needed to realize it is largely bunk, or came from the likes of Carl Sagan who were political motivated activists rather than real scientists.
Would there be environmental damage from a full nuclear exchange? Of course. A couple-degree average temp drop probably, maybe even a year without a summer. But would it be a generation of darkness? Nope, not even close
Halo4Lyf 1 year ago
@Halo4Lyf Dismissing Sagan as an activist (who was considered smarter than most chess champions) and providing no evidence for your claims sounds like junk science
According to a study in 2006, a nuclear war between India and Pakistan (100 nukes between em) would deplete most of the ozone layer and food supply and drop temperatures up to 20 degrees for a decade. Studies that have been done since then have shown even worse. Now imagine what the 20,000+ nukes between the US and Russia would do.
myhatsonfire 1 year ago
@Halo4Lyf Carl Sagan was a real scientist. He was the first to explain and prove the high surface temperature of Venus and performed critical work on many of the planatery system's moons.
But one must remember that his degree was in the Philosophy of Astrophysics and Astronomy, which, yes, led him into semi-political activism simply because he realized and then fostered the rational ideals that we are but a small dot in a vast cosmos. His books on the philosophy of space has touched millions.
OneWorldHistory 1 year ago
@Halo4Lyf As much as admire the late Dr. Sagan as an astronomer, his (and others like him) predictions of "nuclear winter" had more to do with political agendas rather then science. Read Creason Kearney's "Nuclear War Survival Skills" where he devotes an entire chapter to debunking nuclear war myths. Regarding "nuclear winter" he references the summer 1986 Foreign Affairs article by Thomspon and Schneider, NCAR scientists who concluded that "nuclear winter" was "improbable".
zooeyhall 1 year ago 14
@zooeyhall: "NCAR scientists who concluded that "nuclear winter" was "improbable"."
We would all wish, wouldn't we? But unfortunately, the pro-nuke side had only very few, if any at all, actual facts on their side, and nothing else but lots of propaganda.
FTRArchives 10 months ago
@FTRArchives very little info from either side. BUT nuclear winter If even mild would not be pleasant. :"(
yamahonkawazuki 9 months ago
@zooeyhall Exactly! Funny story, Carl Sagan is the one that finally convinced me Nuclear Winter is false. He admitted the idea came from observing Mars. That was when I was convinced that it was an illusion. I had previously come to the conclusion on my own prior, but there's my external processed evidence!
ChairmanKam 9 months ago in playlist M.Ch - Documentary
@zooeyhall
So you're willing to gamble on the word "improbable?" At the very least, hundreds of millions will die. If your gamble is wrong, billions worldwide will die. Unlike many Americans, I don't consider either of those to be acceptable casualties. The insanity of nuclear weapons and their supporters must stop, before they stop all of us.
stewartx5 9 months ago
@stewartx5 Exactly, but the governments of the free nations continue to support the inspection and a constant eye on their bundles of joy. I think its time we ALL stopped sitting on our lazy asses, and tell them enough is enough. If we are truly a free world, then the people of that word have a say in the matter. We need to tell them to stop being so paranoid and let freedom ring, so to speak.
Waroftheworlds112 8 months ago
@zooeyhall Both the Soviets and the west independently arrived at the nuclear winter scenario in the 1980s. Since then, with better knowledge of climate and the atmosphere, and better tools at our disposal, once again predictions have been made about the possibility of a nuclear winter in an all-out exchange.
It turns out that we were wrong, the 1980s predictions were OPTIMISTIC. The nuclear winter would be more devastating than we thought.
74HC138 8 months ago
@zooeyhall (continued) - such that even a regional nuclear conflict between India and Pakistan with an exchange of only 50 weapons on civilian targets would result in a "nuclear autumn" that would have serious enough consequences for food supply. An all-out US/Soviet exchange would result in conditions so severe that mid-day light levels would only be that of a moonlit night. Creason Kearney is wrong.
74HC138 8 months ago
@zooeyhall So where the hell was the clouds, ash, soot and radioactive dust supposed to go? Of course you'd have a nuclear winter effect. And I draw little comfort from the noption that an upside of a nuclear attack would be that there would be no "nuclear winter"
ChrisDutch 8 months ago
@zooeyhall I agree wholeheartedly, though you have to remember that this was of course going on during the Cold War. So to an extent, almost everything was considered political, including the late Dr. Sagan's particular leanings. It was very much politics then, as it is now.
"War is a continuation of politics by other means." Carl Von Clausewitz
Schone23666 7 months ago
Wait... so the Soviets pull a Kennedy in Cuba, but we call them on it, they kill tens of thousands of soldiers by sinking convey ships, we sink enough of their Northern Fleet that they pull back to regroup, and it's NOT ON? I bought everything up until this point.
SummitAP 2 years ago 6
I know! How could it not be on!? We probably just took more casualties in that one engagement than in the entire fucking Korean War and it's NOT ON!?
Halo4Lyf 2 years ago
people in Russia and Germany America are quite smart talented people, why are the politicians trying to kill them? If it wasnt for th intelligence of them, their countries would be just nothing. None of the leaders are great intellectuals althoug they have stars in war they lose a game of chess, they are trying to kill their own people who have realy worked for the country.
goodluckpeace44 2 years ago
West European response crisis:
1. Blame America
2. Demand that America protect you
3. Head for the airport and run away
sonoki82 2 years ago 7
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marcinohio575 2 years ago
idiot...
murf69 2 years ago
I would only trust a shelter built by the Germans; compare the British "shelters" in the film "BBC - Threads" - pathetic cellar shanty towns from WW 2. - sometimes you wonder how can two people living next to each other yet so different. And Sweden - the Swedish idea of a shelter is go down your basement and hold your breath while thinking happy thoughts.
NorceCodine 2 years ago 6
I'd go for switzerland if it comes to protection for all out nuclear war.
Volksgrenadier2006 2 years ago
I'm gonna stick my head between my legs & kiss my butt goodbye :-)
TheDrummerRon 2 years ago 4
i'm not gonna go anywhere and not gonna give some politician fool a good reason to start a war. better keep our stupid politicians alert about their duties not to press the damn button
nazirdjon 2 years ago 2
Most of the comments made by the politicians are regarding Iraq in 1991. The rest are actors on a scrpit. This movie is very well put together and a realistic possibility back in 1990.
OSUFan1972 2 years ago 71
REFORGER 88 scared the Soviets to death. We moved 95,000 troops, three full Divisions, including a Heavy Armoured Division,and ALL of thier equipment, from the U.S., to the Fulda Gap, and the Northern Plains of Germany.
This came at the same time as the unrest in Poland, and the the KGB thought the deployments meant we were about to invade Poland. Luckily, Soviet Military Intelligence thought otherwise, based on fuels stockpiles in Germany.
tcrlaf 2 years ago 2
@OSUFan1972 Except its doubtful that there would be US protests after such a major sea battle with the Soviet Union. The protests have been against US military actions in 3rd World countries though those were proxy wars. People would understand what such a 'conventional' battle with the Soviet Union meant given these circumstances presented in this movie.
kybelian 1 year ago
it like fallout 3 no one can leave
Tig61 2 years ago 2