so you can brainwash a guy into being gay and liking other men.
But somehow all the attempts at brainwashing gays into being straight never works.
My gods, Gays are so powerful they can make straight guys want to have sex with other men! But once done you can't make a gay guy be attracted to women.
BTW, I guess Savage is unaware of the many gay parents in the world. Or just doesn't care since they don't fit into his theory.
My point is, we're teaching them complex things before we're teaching them simple/basic things. (You're supposed to learn something when you are ready to learn it.. You crawl BEFORE you walk, not the other way around.)
It's weird how people are trying to teach kids below the age of 12 complex things (or issues) such as sexual orientation, before the kids have the fundimentals or basics down. Basics such as Reading, Writing, Proper English, Basic Math (Adding, Subtracting, Dividing, Multiplying and a little Algebra or Pre-Algebra)...
And therefore they might lose too many votes.. because there are too many people who are either gay themselves or just gay right supporters, either way there is WAY TOO MANY gay right supporters out there. They are brainwashed into thinking that we are taking away their rights and freedom, especially when the media or whomever compares it to slavery or other issues in the past which WERE TRULLY an issue of rights or freedom being suppressed from someone. Does that make any sense?
One reason why he or other presidents with beautiful families don't or won't talk about marriage in good ways is because they don't have the balls to deal with the possibility of (and the consequences of) offending the "gays".
@tiffyj85 wait.... Presidents won't talk about marriage in a good way because it would offend gay people?
I can give you a long list of people who will happily pontificate on the good things about being married.... gay people who want to be able to get married.
So how does talking about marriage in good ways offend gay people?
@ttufan2315 You dont get ot do you? if you are gay that means your chances of having sex with the opposite sex and have a baby are almost non existent (and im not taking about adoption, but actually giving birth to a new human being). What that means is less kids being born and consequently population growth being controlled. Don't be offended if you are gay, we are not talking about the individual here, but about the big plan to reduce population to 500 million, or 95%, by the NWO.
@squaredeyeball Do you realize that there is no gay "recruitment." Either you are or you're not, and it's not like the percentage of people who are gay is going to go up. Procreation will continue at a similar rate as it always has because nothing is changing in the world except for how visible gay people are. As far as "population control" and reducing the population by the NWO, that is just not rational thinking. I'm sure the Sci-Fi network would love to hear it though.
@BEARARMZ That's a pretty sensationalistic generalization. Here's another: "and then there's people like you who fuck your sisters and cousins." If I stooped to your level, that's what I'd say to you.
I don't respect people who make their sexual orientation the sole defining aspect of their character in life. Though I don't believe homosexuals should be discriminated, but I wish they would keep their sex lives to themselves.
@MatthewBissonnette88 I'm gay, and I totally agree with this. Gay people need to quit focusing on who they have sex with and start focusing on what positive impact they can make in the world.
too funny. Michael Savage is an idiot. By this logic, if you like hanging out outdoors, you might be into having sex with trees. Oh, and wonderful genetic material is going to waste? Maybe so, but does that mean there's not any good genetic material in the straight community? Doesn't that view make Michael Savage look like a major pessimistic ass? I think he's grasping for material so bad he doesn't even think through his own arguments.
Michael, you can't teach kids to be gay. I'm sure even he knows that at the 5-9 age you do experience feelings for girls, not sexual as such, but if you are gay you are gay at this age. It isn't taught.
@CssAf What he is trying to say is that teachers are introducing the alternate life style that most parents don't want for their kids. I wouldn't want a teacher convincing my kids that being gay is OK because I don't believe it is. I have no dislike for gay people, I simply don't believe homosexuality is acceptable. Just as gays have the right to practice their lifestyle I have the right not to be around it and to not have my kids taught that it is acceptable. Most religious people feel the same
@Jllucky8 Yeah I understand what you are saying. I'm not religious so that wouldn't really come into my way of thinking about it. I just don't think shielding children from the existence of homosexuality is beneficial to them. I also think their is a hysteria about a 'gay agenda' which is usually just that, hysteria. You are well within your rights as a parent to teach your children what you want to, but you can't expect teachers to teach religious ideology in school.
@CssAfc This gay agenda you mention is everywhere, in the military, courts, schools, "pride parades" etc. Its being touted as a new brave way of life, hence the "pride" in everything they say. It has gone past practcing a way of life to putting it in America's face where if you don't agree you are full of hatred. Its out of control. And although I understand that not everyone in school is religious which is fine, I do have the right as a parent to not have teachers inform my kid about gay life.
@CssAfc Although we won't agree, there was a time in America where most all people agreed that homosexual activity was wrong. There was no debate and now that societey is so screwed up with this on demand mentality where everything goes, we cannot exist together without infringing on eachother's way of life. It has become the American way of life vs. individual way of life which will make it very hard to co-exist. Gays can march in pride but it's considered hateful to march in opposition,crazy.
@SnakeWearingaVest re Michael Savage's allegedly (since I haven't seen said letters) gay past, isn't that what he's saying: We don't have to be slaves to our natures! If he does indeed have such desires, and yet overcomes them because of his beliefs...man, I have nothing but RESECT for him.
I can usually agree with (or at least respect) most of what Savage says but this is one exception. I am straight but I am socially pretty liberal even though I am a fiscal and political conservative. Savage needs to get his head out of the bible and into the bill of rights.
Hi my name is Becky and I'a a Mexican mans White whore.I breed more of those brown mixed breed babies faster than Maria in Mehico it's know wonder why the census says little Whitey babies are now the minority in America.
@jdcinsf by engaging in heterosexual activities. science has offered gays a chance. but true to their lifestyle, they can never.. they are just users, whiners and over the top with everything they do. nobody cares about what they do. people just hate when they put it in our face.. 4give the irrelevance to your original statement. gay is just gay
@jdcinsf And they can still marry, a gay man can still marry a woman, a lesbian woman can still marry a man, they just don't wish to follow the rules like the rest of us.
Like the way all these packed faced Gay & Lesbian people are coming out of the closet to condemn Savage's diatribe on their sordid 'unnatural' way of life. He's absolutely right to express these concerns. The Packed Faced Left despise the 'normal' family unit, i.e. 1 Husband, 1 Wife, 2 point 5 kids. This is what's driving our birth rates down & causing so much mayhem today. He's referring to these 'radical' gays which I have to admit are pushing their Packed Faced agenda into the mainstream.
@oiyabastard Oh really? and who are these liberal teachers that are raping our children. Let's hear it. So far as I can tell it's priests that are raping our children and hypocrites like Ted Haggard that are preaching against homosexuality one minute and fucking a gay prostitute the next. What great role models conservatives are?
@IGWTS It's not propaganda. Savage wrote a "fictional" book in which the main character just happened to be exactly like Michael Savage and suppressed his homosexual desires. Let's not forget about Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, Bob Allen, Larry Craig etc. The truth hurts for you, I know. Of course, Savage's listeners don't give a shit about the truth because they consist mostly of dumb, bible-thumping rednecks.
@hitballfootler Well i guess youre a bible thumping redneck (sorry you probably came across this video by accident the same excuse you give your proctologist). Youre arguments in favour of homosexuality are so weak you hide behind ad homiem attacks on random (frankly inconsequential) individuals hoping something will stick. Gays are an unnatural, immoral, plague upon our society.
@Seaworldexists I was talking about his radio show and I guess since I said "mostly of dumb, bible thumping rednecks" that you don't know what the word mostly means. Since I have to educate your dumbass now would be a good time to explain the ad hominem fallacy to you. Ad hominem is when you insult someone in place of an argument. Making an argument and then telling you to go fuck yourself is not an ad hominem which is what I did. You didn't actually explain how my arguments were weak anyway.
@Seaworldexists As for your claim that homosexuality is unnatural. That must be why homosexual behavior is observed in animals like dolphins. Right? You also say it is immoral and to that I say, take your bronze age myths and shove them right up your ass! That's where they belong because it's religious nuts like you that are a "plague upon our society.
@hitballfootler You sought to attack the conservative view on homosexulality by attacking conservatives who have done gay acts. That is not a defence of your position or an attack on the conservative one just ad hominem nonsense. Why is it moral? I am not religious at all but the book of leviathan from the bronze age posits that moral sex should essentially be based on procreation. I agree. There is a teleos to our biology the penis is meant for procreation.
@Seaworldexists Once again, you have to be making an argument to commit the fallacy of ad hominem. I wasn't. We are actually arguing now but I still haven't committed any ad hominems because the insults are in addition to my arguments not in place of them. Now to the meat of your comment. So sex is immoral if not for procreation? So you must think old people sex, infertile couples having sex, sex when they now the female isn't ovulating, and protected sex is immoral. Do you?
@hitballfootler Sex is essentially based on procreation. Assuming a couple is married and choose not to have kids or cant have kids they are okay to have sex. The indirect reason for this is that the likelyhood of transfering disease is pretty much nullified assuming you have one sexual partner so the transfer of disease is lower. The indirect reason I support this is the birth process is not mocked by a married couple engaging in non procreative sex.
@hitballfootler Sex is essentially based on procreation. Assuming a couple is married and choose not to have kids or cant have kids they are okay to have sex. The indirect reason for this is that the likelyhood of transfering disease is pretty much nullified assuming you have one sexual partner so the transfer of disease is lower. The indirect reason I support this is the birth process is not mocked by a married couple engaging in non procreative sex.
@hitballfootler A heterosexual married couple who cannot procreate are the exception not the rule. I do however think birth control should be limited to married couples where the female is over the age of 35.
@Seaworldexists How is it any less immoral because they are an exception? What about when the couple knows the female is not ovulating? What about old couples? If you are not religious what basis do you have for saying the book of leviathan is the correct morality?
@hitballfootler From a societal point of view if we maintain that procreation is the primary purpose behind marriage than the exceptions are not important. The fundamental view is still that marriage and hence sex is for procreative purposes. I think two infertile people should be allowed to marry but am not 100% convinced one infertile person should be permitted to marry a fertile one. Many atheists support chrisitan teachings on conflict resolution does that make them chrisitan.
@hitballfootler I think there are three views on what constitutes moral sex the mosaic view of leviathan based on procreation, the platonic view based on love and the dionasyian view based on pleasure. I support leviathan.
@hitballfootler It is a moral issue as it affects the general good of society. I have written a lengty discussion on sexual morality in which moses plato and dionysius debate and I found Moses most compelling. Thats how I believe social conventions should be decided in light of the fact god is bullshit. socratic dialogue.
@Seaworldexists How, exactly, does it affect general good of society? It's actually the more civilized countries that are higher on the human development index that have legalized gay marriage. Sounds to me like that viewpoint is not in agreement with reality. What is it that you find compelling about Moses' sexual morality? By the way, did you ever stop to think that just maybe there are more than three viewpoints on this issue? Maybe the issue is just a little more nuanced than that?
@hitballfootler Birth rates in the west are falling illegitimacy rates are rising. This is a catastrophe for the welfare state that helps keep that index rating high. Civilization is not neccessarily measurable by material goods anyway. There are only three positons I could think of add one if you wish though. Gay marriage is not the issue we are discussing it is sexual morality though we can talk gay marriage if you wish.
@Seaworldexists Most populations continue to grow. Much of the world is over-popualted. Why are falling birth rates such a problem? That doesn't make it a moral issue anyway. If someone has five children does that make them more moral than the average person. Likewise, if someone chooses not to have children are they immoral?
"Civilization is not neccessarily measurable by material goods anyway"
Who said they were? The HDI factors in education, healthcare etc. in addition to the economy.
@hitballfootler Falling populations are an issue for the welfare state which is key to hdi. Without moral absolutes moral decision making falls to social convention. If you think a gay couple can have a child I suggest you take some intro to biology classes. Again as long as marriage is defined is an institution based on procreation our attitudes will not be affected. Illegitimacy is due to the degradation of marriage by the social engineers.
@Seaworldexists I'm not sure what you mean when you say flling populations are key to HDI. Can you cite a source so I know what you're talking about? I never said a gay couple can have a child. I asked, IF genetic engineering made it possible then would it suddenly become moral? I thought we were talking about whether homosexuality is immoral or not. You said yourself we weren't talking about marriage. Why are you bringing it up all of a sudden?
@hitballfootler Falling populations are key because it takes a young working population to support the welfare state. No genetic engineering would not make gay sex moral as it could only contain one partners material. I onyl bring up marriage as i dont believe any type of sex outside marriage is moral. As for the fertility issue which I will admit is by far your best argument I dont believe soceities attitudes about sexual morality are damaged by heterosexual couples who cannot procreate.
@hitballfootler No fault divorce and common law marriage are a major factor in illegitimacy. I have not thought much about the affect of actual homosexual sex on illegitimacy only their marrying. Morality is about our principles if a couple has no kids thats fine as long as the principle remains marriage is for procreation.
@Seaworldexists You left many questions unanswered. Is it immoral for a couple to have sex with the knowledge that the female is not ovulating? What about old people having sex? You tried to answer the question about infertile people by saying they are an exception. How does being an exception make it any less moral? If you're going to make an exception for infertile people. Why not homosexuals?
@hitballfootler Let me explain this slowly. We as a society must accept sex outside marriage is immoral. We have to accept procreation is the primary purpose of marriage. If we accept marriage is primarily for procreation we do not have to concern ourselves with exceptions as we have already defined the first principle. It is about our societies attitude. No fault divorce and common law marriage should be scrapped.
@Seaworldexists An infertile couple by definition cannot procreate and no, there is nothing about the definition of gay couple that says they can't reproduce. What if genetic engineering made it possible to to take the nucleus out of one man's sperm and put it in an egg so that it was possible for gay men to procreate. Would being homosexual suddenly become morally acceptable?
@hitballfootler Also, you still have not given a satisfactory answer to any of my questions. Infertile couples, by definition, cannot procreate, post-menopausal women, by definition, cannot procreate. What about these people?
@hitballfootler Gay couples however are not an exception to the rule as it is a group of people who by definiton cannot procreate whereas with straight couples you have to go into specific exceptions which is not the way I believe social conventions are reached. I have said earlier I would not necessarily support a fertile person marrying an infertile one and that birth control should not be avalible to anyone under 35.
@hitballfootler A dog will hump a man's leg, that doesn't mean the dog is gay it simply means he is horny and stick it in or rub it against just about anything.
@Jllucky8 Actual animal homosexuality has been documented by zoologists. There is nothing more to say. I wasn't talking about a dog humping a man's leg. I was talking about buttfucking.
@hitballfootler Dogs nor any other animal is aware of their sexuality like humans are. The leg humping example was to make a point about how animals seek pleasure anyway possible because they are animals and not people. It's common to see two male dogs licking eachothers schlongs, that doesn't mean they are "gay". They are not gay, and to say animals which act purely through instinct without any cognitive ability understand anything about reproduction or morality is silly.
@hitballfootler Animals being unaware of sexuality makes them neither hetero nor homosexual. They act on carnal impulse, which if you want to label is most always hetero. The best argument that can be made is that hetero is the only way to naturally reproduce. Although, this whole nature argument is silly anyway, we all know that some animals eat their young and I would hope people never consider that to be a "natural" thing to do since animals do it. Animals are animals people are people.
@hitballfootler Male dogs will force themselves sexually on females, once they do they feel no guilt and go about their business, the female does the same. If a human did this to another it would be rape, but we don't punish a dog for this behavior because they have no morals or understanding or civility. They are animals. The day we must compare ourselves to animals in an effort to understand what is socially acceptable we are lost as a society. The cave men covered this chapter already..
@hitballfootler Because an animal may do something from time to time does not make it natural as applied to human behavior (if thats what your implying). Homosexual behavior for people is a conscious choice with consequences, it's not for animals. The awareness of apes and animals like them does not even come close to that of humans which is why they live in jungles and are kept in zoos. People kill for money everyday so we could say that is "natural"? Maybe for people but not wild animals...
@hitballfootler You have not answered even one of my last questions, I wonder why.. You must answer questions in a debate! 1) Are you trying to say that if animals do something it is therefore "natural" and is permissable for humans to do the same? 2) And if so, would it be acceptable for humans to sniff eachother's asses, Force sex on one another, eat our young, eat feces? Because this is all "natural" amongst animals.
@hitballfootler And since you have brought us to the topic of Primates, they are known to throw feces at those they don't like and have been known to castrate male humans in confrontations and chew on their victims faces. Would it be acceptable in your view for humans to act the same way?
@Jllucky8 I'm not saying we should be gay because animals are. I was arguing with somebody who said homosexuality is UNNATURAL. If you don't care about what is natural, then I wasn't talking to you and there is no reason to have this discussion.
@hitball Right and that argument implies that if a certain activity, in this case homosexual behavior, occurs in the wild with animals then this makes it natural behavior for both humans and animals. If your using this as your "natural" argument than you must accept the other examples I gave you which you cannot, which in turn voids your argument. People behave one way and animals another. Reproduction is natural not getting feces on your shlong, homosexuality is not natural by human standard.
@hitballfootler Your argument involving animal bahavior doesn't make it "Natural" for humans. Next time your losing an argument don't pretend you weren't arguing about what you obviously were, when things don't go your way. And stop asking questions in time to answer a few, good day!
@hitballfootler I think your behind the curve by about five questions, you have some catching up to do and if you read back you will see that I have answered them!
@Jllucky8 You gave a really stupid answer. You implied that homosexuality is unnatural because reproduction is natural. Unfortunately that's a false dichotomy. Reproduction and homosexuality can be natural. If you want to argue about what is natural then you have to turn to the animal kingdom. If you don't then there is no such thing as "unnatural" because the distinction being made is natural vs. man-made.
@Jllucky8 Again, I didn't start this argument. I don't care about what is natural. If I did I wouldn't be using this computer which obviously isn't natural.
@Jllucky8 By the way, if i leave a question unanswered or I don't see something it's probably because I didn't see your comment. The way these boards are laid out is just retarded sometimes.
@hitballfootler It's unnatural for humans is the point. As I stated before, dogs force themselves on other dogs (male on female) since this and animals eating their young occur in "nature" is acceptable for us to do the same?
@noirkitten Actually, he is a moron. One can have ten thousand degrees and be a moron. Plus, I seriously doubt he has a degree in any of the subjects you ention. Dr. Seuss authored dozens of books too; so what? You have a degree in engineering management? LOL. This explains why you know nothing of science or real disciplines. The fact that you check his show regularly says alot. .... Though, it is your right to remain hate-filled and associate with such. I support your right to do so.
@noirkitten Given the comments you make on sex, including heterosexual, it sounds like the only "natural" sex to you is missionary, through a hole in the sheet, with no pleasure, and only for procreation. You sound like a prude. Who in their right mind would have sex with you? No one. ..... As for marriage, I doubt you are, but (back to the original argument - MARRIAGE EQUALITY).. You have NO right to deny equality to other consenting adults. You also have NO valid position against equality.
@noirkitten You are right about the church. Actually, the largest and fastest growing population of AIDS is in HETEROSEXUAL FEMALES (Sadly most are of African decent). If you cannot comprehend that a catholic that does not speak out against the rape going on in the church (and MOST do not) is just as guilty as the priest, then it is you who are sick. Sad to see that you support child rape. Again, you fail to show ANY hypocrisy in me. This catholic rant of yours is but a red herring anyway.
@noirkitten IVF would not go against nature since, IF being gay were nature's population control, there are also infertile people & those that choose no children. The system as a whole stays the same. The original argument is EQUALITY for marriage - marriage has NOTHING to do with children. Well, be offended then because the struggle is the same. The only one here sexually obsessed is you. Also, I know this will be hard for your brain, supporting equal rights doesn't = me being gay. You fail.
@noirkitten Glasses, medicine, & soap are unnatural - they do not exist in nature; there is nothing wrong with them. IF homosexuality were natures way of population control, using IVF would not go against nature because there are still infertile people, and those that choose no children. So, the system as a whole would remain the same. Besides, "unnatural" is not the same as wrong (see first sentence). As for proliferation, well let's make infertile couples illegal. Your argument fails.
There is no form of hypnotism thats going to make me want to 'suck a dick' or 'get my asshole hammered by a gay male'? You can't recruit 'gays'... well, straights can do porn for pay? Most of the girl/girl sex is usually straight chicks. This makes my head hurt.
@noirkitten Because your kind likes to claim it is not "natural" (whatever that means anyway). But, the FACT is that it IS natural in that it occurs in nature. This is NOT the same as using animal behavior to justify human behavior. (Homosexuality does not need to be justified anyway.) Your kind then likes to move the goal post and change the argument to one of behavior and justification. I know you cannot comprehend this, but I cannot change your ignorance.
@noirkitten I almost agree with you. Sex ed, of any kind, should be taught to older teens, not children (though, as a parent, if a child asks a sexual question, he/she should get an answer that he/she can understand). Though, no one is advocating teaching 4 year olds sex (gay or otherwise). This is a LIE created by the religious right idiots and homophobes. Also, sadly, when many children ask their parents about sex in general, the parents treat it as if sex is evil (like I am sure you do).
@noirkitten If one is catholic and does not speak out against the evils of child rape in the church - YES they are just as guilty. I know you cannot understand this. As for the indigenous Christians, etc.... this is nothing more than a red herring argument. But, for the record, I support several agencies and groups that are for EQUALITY for all..... even ignorant people. Also, just because I support equality for gays does not make me gay. Again, I know your brain cannot handle this concept.
@noirkitten You're right. Us Black people are VERY sensitive about our race being extinct. A couple a weeks ago, I watched this documentary called "Abortion: Black Genocide in the 21st Century" by an organization called Maafa 21. Eye opening, all I can say.
@noirkitten " It was wrong of me to tell you to shut up about religion"
as it was wrong of me too even say anything about it :(
But yes you are right,i was never really a fan of the whole political spectrum thing,which is why o think the smartest choice is centralist or independent.And for the strangest reasons the right is stereotypical. religious and the left atheist.
@noirkitten to clear up i would say iam a centralist understanding that both sides have their moments on issues.But more to the left.
And you seem to have this misconception that people who except gay marriage except everything. You know, we have methods of accessing mortality too just not on something baseless like religion.
And you mini rant about utopias... what is wrong with having one? they are impractical(maybe because of religion) but hey one can always try/dream
@noirkitten protecting yourself from things you don't like? How immature to make gay/interracial marriage because you don't like it.
"but like it or not people believe in shit that you don't."
ok,and?
"but to some it means alot." i like how you stereotype liberals and ignorant hippies who want a utopia,and how you assume i have to be liberal b ok with gays. And? it means alot to you ok YOU enjoy it.
@noirkitten baring children is irrelevant to marriage, the love and feelings are pretty much why people get married no?Besides age old social codes change all the time, keeping them the same because they have always been that way is circular reasoning.
About the incest thing... well i guess so
"IF it was decreed that the male HAD to legally undergo a vasectomy"
well they aren't equal,only in the sense that they entail different things..... but that shouldn't be a basis of discrimination.You make that sound wrong?African americans wanted that too.
And yes it is the race card,seems to be the only way of having it resonate with people.
@noirkitten, continuing to prove my point, while amusing to behold, will never do anything to repair your decimated credibility...or "mind", I'm afraid.
But if you enjoy soiling yourself in public so much, go wild. Savage fans are very anal, after all. :)
@noirkitten, don't fall into the fool's trap of assuming I must be gay simply because I'm more intelligent, educated, rational, sane, and humane than Savage's audience. Labeling the educated and rational as "gay", because you have nothing else in your arsenal to fight against our truth, is a losing proposition. Yet you people always lower yourselves to that level. Why am I not surprised? You're Savage sheeple after all. Oh well, indeed.
@noirkitten according to what you are saying gay couples are visiting schools to talk about gays,where i see what you mean in where the kids won't understand and don't need to have a couple talk/imply their sex life.
But like i said,people should just be subtle about it.
@noirkitten "Oh, I didn't do that did I? You did."
i suppose i didn't come off as mature,sorry about that
well if it is subtle,then it is normal and not a sex or adult topic as it is with straights,even if they are more common.It is not like they are teaching kids with porn. Just if they like had a little movie that instead of a princess and prince,both princes.
If the child s like "mommy why are there 2 boys?" just answer,because "love each other alot"
@noirkitten see this is exactly my point,you react so harshly to something so mild.
"classroom confusing her"
promoting open minded-ness and discouraging intolerance is confusing?So she is confused, she will get over it and learn.It is mainly to avoid vids like this with a serve misconception about the gay agenda.
"well you might be gay" who the hell is telling kids that?He is putting words in people's mouth.No one says hanging with boys is gay or at least not seriously.
Can he explain the people who have kids and are ok with gays? lol america is suffering because of the gays? it has nothing to do with the whole economic thing?Genetic material gong to waste? does he not know what adoption and seregets are?
@sailornaruto39 I was saying that promoting gay marriage is currently, in many states, equivalent to statutory rape, yes. Both illegal, both considered by a large majority of the American people to be immoral, irresponsible, and selfish, and both contributing nothing more to society than another cog in the machine called hedonism. Absolutely.
@ColdCypher Conscent mentallity,sex with an adult is a matter of making a mature resposiblity and engaging in adult activity.Like i said ealier if we allow kids to have sex then let's let them do all the other adult things.Homosexuality is between 2 adults,it is there problem no quesrion should be asked.\
@sailornaruto39 Who is to say that being 18 years of age designates anyone as being mature or not? Just a general consensus established by a group of legislators nothing more. Second, we are talking about gay MARRIAGE not homosexual activity. Marriage is a traditional and a religious ceremony. Open homosexuality is neither traditional nor sanctioned by any official religious denomination. Especially within western tradition.
@sailornaruto39 You receive tax breaks and other financial incentives for being a wed couple. The tax code needs broad reformations anyways. Thats the only real legal benefit to being married. Appealing to liberal and libertarian ideologies doesnt make your argument a good one either. We can only stand on what we have learned throughout our history. Its based on a feel-good mentality. Cultures based on hedonism are intrinsically self-destructive. This has been demonstrated several times.
@sailornaruto39 Im against statutory rape for several reasons. One, stat rape charges are usually pushed by the parents of the girl who is still living at home. In most cases, the situations involve unplanned pregnancies, coupled by a desire to avoid having an abortion etc and all of the extenuating circumstances teen pregnancies afford their immature, undeveloped, typically financially unstable, emotionally fragile and unwed mothers. These cases host a variety of other social problems.
They are not gay they are sexuall devils caligula days repeated
athena91641 2 days ago
where do you get this info? michael savage, you sir, are a dumbass.
k283cst 1 week ago
beararmz - its better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and erase all doubt.
k283cst 1 week ago
so you can brainwash a guy into being gay and liking other men.
But somehow all the attempts at brainwashing gays into being straight never works.
My gods, Gays are so powerful they can make straight guys want to have sex with other men! But once done you can't make a gay guy be attracted to women.
BTW, I guess Savage is unaware of the many gay parents in the world. Or just doesn't care since they don't fit into his theory.
booley 2 weeks ago
The depopulation plans are real.
EconCat88 3 weeks ago
My point is, we're teaching them complex things before we're teaching them simple/basic things. (You're supposed to learn something when you are ready to learn it.. You crawl BEFORE you walk, not the other way around.)
tiffyj85 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
It's weird how people are trying to teach kids below the age of 12 complex things (or issues) such as sexual orientation, before the kids have the fundimentals or basics down. Basics such as Reading, Writing, Proper English, Basic Math (Adding, Subtracting, Dividing, Multiplying and a little Algebra or Pre-Algebra)...
tiffyj85 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
And therefore they might lose too many votes.. because there are too many people who are either gay themselves or just gay right supporters, either way there is WAY TOO MANY gay right supporters out there. They are brainwashed into thinking that we are taking away their rights and freedom, especially when the media or whomever compares it to slavery or other issues in the past which WERE TRULLY an issue of rights or freedom being suppressed from someone. Does that make any sense?
tiffyj85 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
One reason why he or other presidents with beautiful families don't or won't talk about marriage in good ways is because they don't have the balls to deal with the possibility of (and the consequences of) offending the "gays".
tiffyj85 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@tiffyj85 wait.... Presidents won't talk about marriage in a good way because it would offend gay people?
I can give you a long list of people who will happily pontificate on the good things about being married.... gay people who want to be able to get married.
So how does talking about marriage in good ways offend gay people?
booley 2 weeks ago
@BEARARMZ Don't forget the other animals...
tiffyj85 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
Wow, this guy tells it like it is! I like this guy.
tiffyj85 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
You don't have to have children to see the brainwashing! Thank you Michael Savage!
JoyceJeffersonTV 1 month ago
@JoyceJeffersonTV If someone asked you if you were gay would that change your inherent sexuality? Seriously, use some common sense.
ttufan2315 1 month ago
His point here is the DEPOPULATION AGENDA running the GAY AGENDA behind closed doors. Excellent analysis
squaredeyeball 2 months ago 2
@squaredeyeball LOL. Yes, because that's such a huge political advantage. That's just stupid.
ttufan2315 1 month ago
@ttufan2315 You dont get ot do you? if you are gay that means your chances of having sex with the opposite sex and have a baby are almost non existent (and im not taking about adoption, but actually giving birth to a new human being). What that means is less kids being born and consequently population growth being controlled. Don't be offended if you are gay, we are not talking about the individual here, but about the big plan to reduce population to 500 million, or 95%, by the NWO.
squaredeyeball 1 month ago
@squaredeyeball Do you realize that there is no gay "recruitment." Either you are or you're not, and it's not like the percentage of people who are gay is going to go up. Procreation will continue at a similar rate as it always has because nothing is changing in the world except for how visible gay people are. As far as "population control" and reducing the population by the NWO, that is just not rational thinking. I'm sure the Sci-Fi network would love to hear it though.
ttufan2315 1 month ago
If gays want rights then soon pedos, and sados will want rights to and also the people who fuck dogs.
BEARARMZ 2 months ago 11
@BEARARMZ That's a pretty sensationalistic generalization. Here's another: "and then there's people like you who fuck your sisters and cousins." If I stooped to your level, that's what I'd say to you.
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@BEARARMZ brays, "If gays want rights then soon pedos, and sados will want rights to and also the people who fuck dogs"
So, you are hoping gay couples will acquire equal rights, so deviants like you can too?
LOL! It's sad how sick, ignorant people like you are too...sick and ignorant to KNOW how sick and ignorant you are.
MattFrame 2 weeks ago
Agree with savage. The book is good as well
levthelion 2 months ago
My old roommate is a young michael savage. seriously.
MrDring28 2 months ago
This is such a disheartening rant to listen to, very upsetting
moroney1 2 months ago
I don't respect people who make their sexual orientation the sole defining aspect of their character in life. Though I don't believe homosexuals should be discriminated, but I wish they would keep their sex lives to themselves.
MatthewBissonnette88 2 months ago
@MatthewBissonnette88 I'm gay, and I totally agree with this. Gay people need to quit focusing on who they have sex with and start focusing on what positive impact they can make in the world.
ttufan2315 1 month ago
The only "Agenda" homosexuals have is being guaranteed the same rights as everyone else like the Constitution promises them.
TheNorseman100 2 months ago
Hey Mike thats some cornball shit,,Alright already?
TheGravygun 3 months ago
Lesbians could just go to a sperm donor
BritLes9 3 months ago
too funny. Michael Savage is an idiot. By this logic, if you like hanging out outdoors, you might be into having sex with trees. Oh, and wonderful genetic material is going to waste? Maybe so, but does that mean there's not any good genetic material in the straight community? Doesn't that view make Michael Savage look like a major pessimistic ass? I think he's grasping for material so bad he doesn't even think through his own arguments.
ttufan2315 3 months ago
@ttufan2315 Wow, his point COMPLETELY went over your heard LOL...and you say HE'S an idiot?... jeeeez
zcaz23 1 month ago
@zcaz23 well I guess you must be reading something into what he's saying, because Savage isn't saying anything else.
ttufan2315 1 month ago
@zcaz23 no, it's just so far beneath intelligent thinking that it's ridiculous. There have been gay people around since the beginning of time
ttufan2315 1 month ago
Savage is mentally ill.
Hdtexan 3 months ago
@Hdtexan Care to explain?
Bluto2973 3 months ago
Michael, you can't teach kids to be gay. I'm sure even he knows that at the 5-9 age you do experience feelings for girls, not sexual as such, but if you are gay you are gay at this age. It isn't taught.
CssAfc 3 months ago
@CssAf What he is trying to say is that teachers are introducing the alternate life style that most parents don't want for their kids. I wouldn't want a teacher convincing my kids that being gay is OK because I don't believe it is. I have no dislike for gay people, I simply don't believe homosexuality is acceptable. Just as gays have the right to practice their lifestyle I have the right not to be around it and to not have my kids taught that it is acceptable. Most religious people feel the same
Jllucky8 3 months ago
@Jllucky8 Yeah I understand what you are saying. I'm not religious so that wouldn't really come into my way of thinking about it. I just don't think shielding children from the existence of homosexuality is beneficial to them. I also think their is a hysteria about a 'gay agenda' which is usually just that, hysteria. You are well within your rights as a parent to teach your children what you want to, but you can't expect teachers to teach religious ideology in school.
CssAfc 3 months ago
@CssAfc *there
CssAfc 3 months ago
@CssAfc This gay agenda you mention is everywhere, in the military, courts, schools, "pride parades" etc. Its being touted as a new brave way of life, hence the "pride" in everything they say. It has gone past practcing a way of life to putting it in America's face where if you don't agree you are full of hatred. Its out of control. And although I understand that not everyone in school is religious which is fine, I do have the right as a parent to not have teachers inform my kid about gay life.
Jllucky8 3 months ago
@CssAfc Although we won't agree, there was a time in America where most all people agreed that homosexual activity was wrong. There was no debate and now that societey is so screwed up with this on demand mentality where everything goes, we cannot exist together without infringing on eachother's way of life. It has become the American way of life vs. individual way of life which will make it very hard to co-exist. Gays can march in pride but it's considered hateful to march in opposition,crazy.
Jllucky8 3 months ago
@SnakeWearingaVest re Michael Savage's allegedly (since I haven't seen said letters) gay past, isn't that what he's saying: We don't have to be slaves to our natures! If he does indeed have such desires, and yet overcomes them because of his beliefs...man, I have nothing but RESECT for him.
chodeshadar18 3 months ago
I can usually agree with (or at least respect) most of what Savage says but this is one exception. I am straight but I am socially pretty liberal even though I am a fiscal and political conservative. Savage needs to get his head out of the bible and into the bill of rights.
AresCassell 3 months ago
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lardtino 3 months ago
A gay man or woman can procreate if he or she wants.
jdcinsf 4 months ago
@jdcinsf by engaging in heterosexual activities. science has offered gays a chance. but true to their lifestyle, they can never.. they are just users, whiners and over the top with everything they do. nobody cares about what they do. people just hate when they put it in our face.. 4give the irrelevance to your original statement. gay is just gay
manjumaru 3 months ago
@jdcinsf And they can still marry, a gay man can still marry a woman, a lesbian woman can still marry a man, they just don't wish to follow the rules like the rest of us.
Tsuruta1 3 months ago
this guy knows something
deceptivedan 4 months ago
this what i been saying for so long
TheLavaris 4 months ago
Anyone else think Savage is a closet queer?
Saebeck32 4 months ago
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS FACT # 2:
IF YOU DON´T AGREE WITH HOMOS
& HOMO-LOVERS YOU ARE HOMOPHOBIC !
CRUSADERPIGGYBOY 4 months ago
I´M NOT HOMOPHOBIC
I AM HOMOROENTGENIC !
CRUSADERPIGGYBOY 4 months ago
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Like the way all these packed faced Gay & Lesbian people are coming out of the closet to condemn Savage's diatribe on their sordid 'unnatural' way of life. He's absolutely right to express these concerns. The Packed Faced Left despise the 'normal' family unit, i.e. 1 Husband, 1 Wife, 2 point 5 kids. This is what's driving our birth rates down & causing so much mayhem today. He's referring to these 'radical' gays which I have to admit are pushing their Packed Faced agenda into the mainstream.
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Regalseven 4 months ago
absolute rubbish Savage - no-one can "brainwash" someone to think they are gay you idiot.
superstubes 4 months ago
Michael Savage is living proof that homophobes are self-loathing closet homosexuals.
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@hitballfootler
nice one.
superstubes 4 months ago
@hitballfootler prove it , liberal teachers are proof our kids are getting raped
oiyabastard 4 months ago in playlist Mike Savage
@oiyabastard Oh really? and who are these liberal teachers that are raping our children. Let's hear it. So far as I can tell it's priests that are raping our children and hypocrites like Ted Haggard that are preaching against homosexuality one minute and fucking a gay prostitute the next. What great role models conservatives are?
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@hitballfootler Nobody believes that gay propaganda anymore.
IGWTS 4 months ago
@IGWTS It's not propaganda. Savage wrote a "fictional" book in which the main character just happened to be exactly like Michael Savage and suppressed his homosexual desires. Let's not forget about Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, Bob Allen, Larry Craig etc. The truth hurts for you, I know. Of course, Savage's listeners don't give a shit about the truth because they consist mostly of dumb, bible-thumping rednecks.
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@hitballfootler Well i guess youre a bible thumping redneck (sorry you probably came across this video by accident the same excuse you give your proctologist). Youre arguments in favour of homosexuality are so weak you hide behind ad homiem attacks on random (frankly inconsequential) individuals hoping something will stick. Gays are an unnatural, immoral, plague upon our society.
Seaworldexists 4 months ago
@Seaworldexists I was talking about his radio show and I guess since I said "mostly of dumb, bible thumping rednecks" that you don't know what the word mostly means. Since I have to educate your dumbass now would be a good time to explain the ad hominem fallacy to you. Ad hominem is when you insult someone in place of an argument. Making an argument and then telling you to go fuck yourself is not an ad hominem which is what I did. You didn't actually explain how my arguments were weak anyway.
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@Seaworldexists As for your claim that homosexuality is unnatural. That must be why homosexual behavior is observed in animals like dolphins. Right? You also say it is immoral and to that I say, take your bronze age myths and shove them right up your ass! That's where they belong because it's religious nuts like you that are a "plague upon our society.
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@hitballfootler You sought to attack the conservative view on homosexulality by attacking conservatives who have done gay acts. That is not a defence of your position or an attack on the conservative one just ad hominem nonsense. Why is it moral? I am not religious at all but the book of leviathan from the bronze age posits that moral sex should essentially be based on procreation. I agree. There is a teleos to our biology the penis is meant for procreation.
Seaworldexists 4 months ago
@Seaworldexists Once again, you have to be making an argument to commit the fallacy of ad hominem. I wasn't. We are actually arguing now but I still haven't committed any ad hominems because the insults are in addition to my arguments not in place of them. Now to the meat of your comment. So sex is immoral if not for procreation? So you must think old people sex, infertile couples having sex, sex when they now the female isn't ovulating, and protected sex is immoral. Do you?
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@hitballfootler Sex is essentially based on procreation. Assuming a couple is married and choose not to have kids or cant have kids they are okay to have sex. The indirect reason for this is that the likelyhood of transfering disease is pretty much nullified assuming you have one sexual partner so the transfer of disease is lower. The indirect reason I support this is the birth process is not mocked by a married couple engaging in non procreative sex.
Seaworldexists 4 months ago
@hitballfootler Sex is essentially based on procreation. Assuming a couple is married and choose not to have kids or cant have kids they are okay to have sex. The indirect reason for this is that the likelyhood of transfering disease is pretty much nullified assuming you have one sexual partner so the transfer of disease is lower. The indirect reason I support this is the birth process is not mocked by a married couple engaging in non procreative sex.
Seaworldexists 4 months ago
@hitballfootler A heterosexual married couple who cannot procreate are the exception not the rule. I do however think birth control should be limited to married couples where the female is over the age of 35.
Seaworldexists 4 months ago
@Seaworldexists How is it any less immoral because they are an exception? What about when the couple knows the female is not ovulating? What about old couples? If you are not religious what basis do you have for saying the book of leviathan is the correct morality?
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@hitballfootler From a societal point of view if we maintain that procreation is the primary purpose behind marriage than the exceptions are not important. The fundamental view is still that marriage and hence sex is for procreative purposes. I think two infertile people should be allowed to marry but am not 100% convinced one infertile person should be permitted to marry a fertile one. Many atheists support chrisitan teachings on conflict resolution does that make them chrisitan.
Seaworldexists 4 months ago
@hitballfootler I think there are three views on what constitutes moral sex the mosaic view of leviathan based on procreation, the platonic view based on love and the dionasyian view based on pleasure. I support leviathan.
Seaworldexists 4 months ago
@Seaworldexists On what basis do you choose? On what basis do you determine that it's a moral issue at all?
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@hitballfootler It is a moral issue as it affects the general good of society. I have written a lengty discussion on sexual morality in which moses plato and dionysius debate and I found Moses most compelling. Thats how I believe social conventions should be decided in light of the fact god is bullshit. socratic dialogue.
Seaworldexists 4 months ago
@Seaworldexists How, exactly, does it affect general good of society? It's actually the more civilized countries that are higher on the human development index that have legalized gay marriage. Sounds to me like that viewpoint is not in agreement with reality. What is it that you find compelling about Moses' sexual morality? By the way, did you ever stop to think that just maybe there are more than three viewpoints on this issue? Maybe the issue is just a little more nuanced than that?
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@hitballfootler Birth rates in the west are falling illegitimacy rates are rising. This is a catastrophe for the welfare state that helps keep that index rating high. Civilization is not neccessarily measurable by material goods anyway. There are only three positons I could think of add one if you wish though. Gay marriage is not the issue we are discussing it is sexual morality though we can talk gay marriage if you wish.
Seaworldexists 4 months ago
@Seaworldexists Most populations continue to grow. Much of the world is over-popualted. Why are falling birth rates such a problem? That doesn't make it a moral issue anyway. If someone has five children does that make them more moral than the average person. Likewise, if someone chooses not to have children are they immoral?
"Civilization is not neccessarily measurable by material goods anyway"
Who said they were? The HDI factors in education, healthcare etc. in addition to the economy.
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@Seaworldexists You think illegitimacy rates are due to homosexuals. Do you have evidence of this?
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@hitballfootler Falling populations are an issue for the welfare state which is key to hdi. Without moral absolutes moral decision making falls to social convention. If you think a gay couple can have a child I suggest you take some intro to biology classes. Again as long as marriage is defined is an institution based on procreation our attitudes will not be affected. Illegitimacy is due to the degradation of marriage by the social engineers.
Seaworldexists 4 months ago
@Seaworldexists I'm not sure what you mean when you say flling populations are key to HDI. Can you cite a source so I know what you're talking about? I never said a gay couple can have a child. I asked, IF genetic engineering made it possible then would it suddenly become moral? I thought we were talking about whether homosexuality is immoral or not. You said yourself we weren't talking about marriage. Why are you bringing it up all of a sudden?
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@hitballfootler Falling populations are key because it takes a young working population to support the welfare state. No genetic engineering would not make gay sex moral as it could only contain one partners material. I onyl bring up marriage as i dont believe any type of sex outside marriage is moral. As for the fertility issue which I will admit is by far your best argument I dont believe soceities attitudes about sexual morality are damaged by heterosexual couples who cannot procreate.
Seaworldexists 4 months ago 3
@Seaworldexists I'm going to respond in a PM. It will be much more organized that way. It's getting messy with all these comments.
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@hitballfootler No fault divorce and common law marriage are a major factor in illegitimacy. I have not thought much about the affect of actual homosexual sex on illegitimacy only their marrying. Morality is about our principles if a couple has no kids thats fine as long as the principle remains marriage is for procreation.
Seaworldexists 4 months ago
@Seaworldexists You left many questions unanswered. Is it immoral for a couple to have sex with the knowledge that the female is not ovulating? What about old people having sex? You tried to answer the question about infertile people by saying they are an exception. How does being an exception make it any less moral? If you're going to make an exception for infertile people. Why not homosexuals?
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@hitballfootler Let me explain this slowly. We as a society must accept sex outside marriage is immoral. We have to accept procreation is the primary purpose of marriage. If we accept marriage is primarily for procreation we do not have to concern ourselves with exceptions as we have already defined the first principle. It is about our societies attitude. No fault divorce and common law marriage should be scrapped.
Seaworldexists 4 months ago
@Seaworldexists How would society's acceptance that something is immoral make it immoral?
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@hitballfootler A gay couple by definition cannot procreate and therefore cannot marry and therefore cannot morally have sex.
Seaworldexists 4 months ago
@Seaworldexists An infertile couple by definition cannot procreate and no, there is nothing about the definition of gay couple that says they can't reproduce. What if genetic engineering made it possible to to take the nucleus out of one man's sperm and put it in an egg so that it was possible for gay men to procreate. Would being homosexual suddenly become morally acceptable?
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@hitballfootler Also, you still have not given a satisfactory answer to any of my questions. Infertile couples, by definition, cannot procreate, post-menopausal women, by definition, cannot procreate. What about these people?
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@hitballfootler Gay couples however are not an exception to the rule as it is a group of people who by definiton cannot procreate whereas with straight couples you have to go into specific exceptions which is not the way I believe social conventions are reached. I have said earlier I would not necessarily support a fertile person marrying an infertile one and that birth control should not be avalible to anyone under 35.
Seaworldexists 4 months ago
@hitballfootler Well do all dolphins behave like that and does that mean they're gay?
MIKECNW 4 months ago
@MIKECNW What the fuck are you talking about? All I was saying was that homosexuality exists in nature.
hitballfootler 4 months ago
@hitballfootler A dog will hump a man's leg, that doesn't mean the dog is gay it simply means he is horny and stick it in or rub it against just about anything.
Jllucky8 3 months ago
@Jllucky8 Actual animal homosexuality has been documented by zoologists. There is nothing more to say. I wasn't talking about a dog humping a man's leg. I was talking about buttfucking.
hitballfootler 3 months ago
@hitballfootler Dogs nor any other animal is aware of their sexuality like humans are. The leg humping example was to make a point about how animals seek pleasure anyway possible because they are animals and not people. It's common to see two male dogs licking eachothers schlongs, that doesn't mean they are "gay". They are not gay, and to say animals which act purely through instinct without any cognitive ability understand anything about reproduction or morality is silly.
Jllucky8 3 months ago
@Jllucky8 Them being unaware of their sexuality doesn't make them not homosexual. By that logic there are no heterosexual animals either.
Apes are aware of sexuality and morality. What about them?
hitballfootler 3 months ago
@hitballfootler Animals being unaware of sexuality makes them neither hetero nor homosexual. They act on carnal impulse, which if you want to label is most always hetero. The best argument that can be made is that hetero is the only way to naturally reproduce. Although, this whole nature argument is silly anyway, we all know that some animals eat their young and I would hope people never consider that to be a "natural" thing to do since animals do it. Animals are animals people are people.
Jllucky8 3 months ago
@Jllucky8 What about animals that are aware like apes and dolphins?
hitballfootler 3 months ago
@hitballfootler Male dogs will force themselves sexually on females, once they do they feel no guilt and go about their business, the female does the same. If a human did this to another it would be rape, but we don't punish a dog for this behavior because they have no morals or understanding or civility. They are animals. The day we must compare ourselves to animals in an effort to understand what is socially acceptable we are lost as a society. The cave men covered this chapter already..
Jllucky8 3 months ago
@Jllucky8 I'm not the one comparing us to other animals(humans are animals). You guys are the ones that call homosexuality unnatural.
hitballfootler 3 months ago
@hitballfootler Because an animal may do something from time to time does not make it natural as applied to human behavior (if thats what your implying). Homosexual behavior for people is a conscious choice with consequences, it's not for animals. The awareness of apes and animals like them does not even come close to that of humans which is why they live in jungles and are kept in zoos. People kill for money everyday so we could say that is "natural"? Maybe for people but not wild animals...
Jllucky8 3 months ago
@Jllucky8 Apes are self aware. They are completely aware of their sexuality.
hitballfootler 3 months ago
@hitballfootler You have not answered even one of my last questions, I wonder why.. You must answer questions in a debate! 1) Are you trying to say that if animals do something it is therefore "natural" and is permissable for humans to do the same? 2) And if so, would it be acceptable for humans to sniff eachother's asses, Force sex on one another, eat our young, eat feces? Because this is all "natural" amongst animals.
Jllucky8 3 months ago
@hitballfootler And since you have brought us to the topic of Primates, they are known to throw feces at those they don't like and have been known to castrate male humans in confrontations and chew on their victims faces. Would it be acceptable in your view for humans to act the same way?
Jllucky8 3 months ago
@Jllucky8 I'm not saying we should be gay because animals are. I was arguing with somebody who said homosexuality is UNNATURAL. If you don't care about what is natural, then I wasn't talking to you and there is no reason to have this discussion.
hitballfootler 3 months ago
@hitball Right and that argument implies that if a certain activity, in this case homosexual behavior, occurs in the wild with animals then this makes it natural behavior for both humans and animals. If your using this as your "natural" argument than you must accept the other examples I gave you which you cannot, which in turn voids your argument. People behave one way and animals another. Reproduction is natural not getting feces on your shlong, homosexuality is not natural by human standard.
Jllucky8 3 months ago
@Jllucky8 How are you determining that homosexuality is unnatural then?
hitballfootler 3 months ago
@hitballfootler Your argument involving animal bahavior doesn't make it "Natural" for humans. Next time your losing an argument don't pretend you weren't arguing about what you obviously were, when things don't go your way. And stop asking questions in time to answer a few, good day!
Jllucky8 3 months ago
@Jllucky8 Are you going to answer the question? I can't argue with you if I don't know where you are coming from.
hitballfootler 3 months ago
@hitballfootler I think your behind the curve by about five questions, you have some catching up to do and if you read back you will see that I have answered them!
Jllucky8 3 months ago
@Jllucky8 You gave a really stupid answer. You implied that homosexuality is unnatural because reproduction is natural. Unfortunately that's a false dichotomy. Reproduction and homosexuality can be natural. If you want to argue about what is natural then you have to turn to the animal kingdom. If you don't then there is no such thing as "unnatural" because the distinction being made is natural vs. man-made.
hitballfootler 3 months ago
@Jllucky8 Again, I didn't start this argument. I don't care about what is natural. If I did I wouldn't be using this computer which obviously isn't natural.
hitballfootler 3 months ago
@Jllucky8 By the way, if i leave a question unanswered or I don't see something it's probably because I didn't see your comment. The way these boards are laid out is just retarded sometimes.
hitballfootler 3 months ago
@hitballfootler It's unnatural for humans is the point. As I stated before, dogs force themselves on other dogs (male on female) since this and animals eating their young occur in "nature" is acceptable for us to do the same?
Jllucky8 3 months ago
@Jllucky8 It's not unnatural. What about orangutans. They have gay sex. Are they part of nature?
hitballfootler 3 months ago
The gay agenda is evil!!! It hates God and family!!!
MrDkay88 4 months ago
@MrDkay88
utter bollocks!
superstubes 4 months ago
@noirkitten Actually, he is a moron. One can have ten thousand degrees and be a moron. Plus, I seriously doubt he has a degree in any of the subjects you ention. Dr. Seuss authored dozens of books too; so what? You have a degree in engineering management? LOL. This explains why you know nothing of science or real disciplines. The fact that you check his show regularly says alot. .... Though, it is your right to remain hate-filled and associate with such. I support your right to do so.
mxylplitz1234 4 months ago
@noirkitten Given the comments you make on sex, including heterosexual, it sounds like the only "natural" sex to you is missionary, through a hole in the sheet, with no pleasure, and only for procreation. You sound like a prude. Who in their right mind would have sex with you? No one. ..... As for marriage, I doubt you are, but (back to the original argument - MARRIAGE EQUALITY).. You have NO right to deny equality to other consenting adults. You also have NO valid position against equality.
mxylplitz1234 4 months ago
@noirkitten You are right about the church. Actually, the largest and fastest growing population of AIDS is in HETEROSEXUAL FEMALES (Sadly most are of African decent). If you cannot comprehend that a catholic that does not speak out against the rape going on in the church (and MOST do not) is just as guilty as the priest, then it is you who are sick. Sad to see that you support child rape. Again, you fail to show ANY hypocrisy in me. This catholic rant of yours is but a red herring anyway.
mxylplitz1234 4 months ago
@noirkitten IVF would not go against nature since, IF being gay were nature's population control, there are also infertile people & those that choose no children. The system as a whole stays the same. The original argument is EQUALITY for marriage - marriage has NOTHING to do with children. Well, be offended then because the struggle is the same. The only one here sexually obsessed is you. Also, I know this will be hard for your brain, supporting equal rights doesn't = me being gay. You fail.
mxylplitz1234 4 months ago
@noirkitten Glasses, medicine, & soap are unnatural - they do not exist in nature; there is nothing wrong with them. IF homosexuality were natures way of population control, using IVF would not go against nature because there are still infertile people, and those that choose no children. So, the system as a whole would remain the same. Besides, "unnatural" is not the same as wrong (see first sentence). As for proliferation, well let's make infertile couples illegal. Your argument fails.
mxylplitz1234 4 months ago
There is no form of hypnotism thats going to make me want to 'suck a dick' or 'get my asshole hammered by a gay male'? You can't recruit 'gays'... well, straights can do porn for pay? Most of the girl/girl sex is usually straight chicks. This makes my head hurt.
granddad2002 4 months ago
@noirkitten Because your kind likes to claim it is not "natural" (whatever that means anyway). But, the FACT is that it IS natural in that it occurs in nature. This is NOT the same as using animal behavior to justify human behavior. (Homosexuality does not need to be justified anyway.) Your kind then likes to move the goal post and change the argument to one of behavior and justification. I know you cannot comprehend this, but I cannot change your ignorance.
mxylplitz1234 4 months ago
@noirkitten I almost agree with you. Sex ed, of any kind, should be taught to older teens, not children (though, as a parent, if a child asks a sexual question, he/she should get an answer that he/she can understand). Though, no one is advocating teaching 4 year olds sex (gay or otherwise). This is a LIE created by the religious right idiots and homophobes. Also, sadly, when many children ask their parents about sex in general, the parents treat it as if sex is evil (like I am sure you do).
mxylplitz1234 4 months ago
@noirkitten If one is catholic and does not speak out against the evils of child rape in the church - YES they are just as guilty. I know you cannot understand this. As for the indigenous Christians, etc.... this is nothing more than a red herring argument. But, for the record, I support several agencies and groups that are for EQUALITY for all..... even ignorant people. Also, just because I support equality for gays does not make me gay. Again, I know your brain cannot handle this concept.
mxylplitz1234 4 months ago
@noirkitten You're right. Us Black people are VERY sensitive about our race being extinct. A couple a weeks ago, I watched this documentary called "Abortion: Black Genocide in the 21st Century" by an organization called Maafa 21. Eye opening, all I can say.
thesiouxgoddess 5 months ago
@noirkitten " It was wrong of me to tell you to shut up about religion"
as it was wrong of me too even say anything about it :(
But yes you are right,i was never really a fan of the whole political spectrum thing,which is why o think the smartest choice is centralist or independent.And for the strangest reasons the right is stereotypical. religious and the left atheist.
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@noirkitten "shut the fuck up about religion."
then "shut the fuck up" about the left,you have been pulling all these cheap punches say the left this and the left that
"theoretically sanctioned incestous marriage"
and?
"it will NEVER FUCKING HAPPEN"
no shit it won't
" It's how we animals are."
BS animals are also polygamous,homosexual,and pedophile to an extent
really?You are going with the naturalistic fallacy?
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@sailornaruto39 i barely even said anything about religion and now i have to shut up?
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@noirkitten to clear up i would say iam a centralist understanding that both sides have their moments on issues.But more to the left.
And you seem to have this misconception that people who except gay marriage except everything. You know, we have methods of accessing mortality too just not on something baseless like religion.
And you mini rant about utopias... what is wrong with having one? they are impractical(maybe because of religion) but hey one can always try/dream
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@noirkitten " you'd sanction brothers and sisters fucking "
why wouldn't i? when it basically has all the working of gay marriage, and your welcome :)
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@noirkitten protecting yourself from things you don't like? How immature to make gay/interracial marriage because you don't like it.
"but like it or not people believe in shit that you don't."
ok,and?
"but to some it means alot." i like how you stereotype liberals and ignorant hippies who want a utopia,and how you assume i have to be liberal b ok with gays. And? it means alot to you ok YOU enjoy it.
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@noirkitten btw america= Constitutional republic with democratic tendencies
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@noirkitten "you take issue with people apposing gay marriage in a democratic society"
uhhh democracy doesn't equal that i can't have an opinion.The unpopular have the right to express themselves too.
" when rampant is dangerous" like many other things
"they end up fucking and marrying in this utopia of yours, you're aok with that?"
i must say,i wouldn't agree with it only in the sense as i wouldn't do it.I wouldn't like it but if they are full grow, whatever.
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@noirkitten "protect themselves. "
from what?
"Blacks and Jews can be quite discriminatory too y'know."
amen to that,iam fully aware
" Should they re-write the Old Testament"
why rewrite it when you can just get up and say "fuck it"
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@noirkitten "Why not? " hey fine by me
" if two incesteous siblings married and adopted?"
*thumbs up*
" why not decree it's okay to fuck your siblings if you genuinely romantically love them"
if it is concestiual they why not.
But i can understand the concern over what you call flipper babies.
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@noirkitten baring children is irrelevant to marriage, the love and feelings are pretty much why people get married no?Besides age old social codes change all the time, keeping them the same because they have always been that way is circular reasoning.
About the incest thing... well i guess so
"IF it was decreed that the male HAD to legally undergo a vasectomy"
not sure about that though.
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@noirkitten "Maybe they're sensitive about the near fucking extinction of their race."
then they are idiots for that.Like i said unless blacks are killed off the races of the future doesn't matter,their genes will still live on.
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@noirkitten 10%of the world not reproducing is not going to cause the world to go extinct.
We also have too many people,if not enough,and use a large amount of resources.
We are nowhere near extinction.Allowing gay marriage doesn't equal everyone being gay.
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@noirkitten "I guess they didn't understand persecution well enough?"
yep
"And what of the blacks today who oppose interracial marriage in preservation of the black race?"
they are idiots striving for something pointless,what does it matter the races of the future?
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@noirkitten "justified equal to heterosexuals."
well they aren't equal,only in the sense that they entail different things..... but that shouldn't be a basis of discrimination.You make that sound wrong?African americans wanted that too.
And yes it is the race card,seems to be the only way of having it resonate with people.
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
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@noirkitten "any fucking backbone"
i guess it would be one of the few times hypocrisy has it's benefits.
" of the gay community over this issue is not over rights, as much as a political ultimatum to be justified equal to heterosexuals."
wouldn't that count under right?Why is it so wrong to be treated like everyone else,or at least not demonized as much as people make it.
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
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@noirkitten " the majority of the homosexual community choose not to abide by the religious elements of marriage "
i went over this with the other guy,marriage doesn't have to be religious.
" civil union isn't good enough, even though it is"
from what i have heard there are like a bunch of missing rights.
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@noirkitten, continuing to prove my point, while amusing to behold, will never do anything to repair your decimated credibility...or "mind", I'm afraid.
But if you enjoy soiling yourself in public so much, go wild. Savage fans are very anal, after all. :)
GodCreatesGays2 5 months ago
@noirkitten, back to my original comment about those with dropping IQs.
Thanks for proving my point.
GodCreatesGays2 5 months ago
@noirkitten, don't fall into the fool's trap of assuming I must be gay simply because I'm more intelligent, educated, rational, sane, and humane than Savage's audience. Labeling the educated and rational as "gay", because you have nothing else in your arsenal to fight against our truth, is a losing proposition. Yet you people always lower yourselves to that level. Why am I not surprised? You're Savage sheeple after all. Oh well, indeed.
GodCreatesGays2 5 months ago
It's amazing how Savage's IQ plummets the more he tries to pander to his drooling, uneducated fanbase.
GodCreatesGays2 5 months ago
@noirkitten i see what you mean,"would be wrong to instruct children on families where polygamy is practiced?"
no it wouldn't actually.
"Am I expected to raise her liberal"
no just not bigoted.
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@noirkitten according to what you are saying gay couples are visiting schools to talk about gays,where i see what you mean in where the kids won't understand and don't need to have a couple talk/imply their sex life.
But like i said,people should just be subtle about it.
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@noirkitten "Oh, I didn't do that did I? You did."
i suppose i didn't come off as mature,sorry about that
well if it is subtle,then it is normal and not a sex or adult topic as it is with straights,even if they are more common.It is not like they are teaching kids with porn. Just if they like had a little movie that instead of a princess and prince,both princes.
If the child s like "mommy why are there 2 boys?" just answer,because "love each other alot"
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@noirkitten see this is exactly my point,you react so harshly to something so mild.
"classroom confusing her"
promoting open minded-ness and discouraging intolerance is confusing?So she is confused, she will get over it and learn.It is mainly to avoid vids like this with a serve misconception about the gay agenda.
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
"well you might be gay" who the hell is telling kids that?He is putting words in people's mouth.No one says hanging with boys is gay or at least not seriously.
Can he explain the people who have kids and are ok with gays? lol america is suffering because of the gays? it has nothing to do with the whole economic thing?Genetic material gong to waste? does he not know what adoption and seregets are?
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@MrChristmas365 yeah you would know because you use to be gay.
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@ColdCypher nothing wrong with polygamy
"children having sex with older people as long as its consensual."
yeah because kids are in the right mind of consent,if kids can have sex,then they can do jury duty,drive cars,and drink beer :D
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@sailornaruto39 What are you talking about? Does that apply to both women and men then?
ColdCypher 5 months ago
@ColdCypher you implied that gay advocates should be in favor of satirotry rape,or at least how i saw it, sorry if i aws
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@sailornaruto39 I was saying that promoting gay marriage is currently, in many states, equivalent to statutory rape, yes. Both illegal, both considered by a large majority of the American people to be immoral, irresponsible, and selfish, and both contributing nothing more to society than another cog in the machine called hedonism. Absolutely.
ColdCypher 5 months ago
@ColdCypher well there is something that is fundemenally different between the 2
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@sailornaruto39 Which is what exactly? The simple fact that you personally support one and not the other?
ColdCypher 5 months ago
@ColdCypher Conscent mentallity,sex with an adult is a matter of making a mature resposiblity and engaging in adult activity.Like i said ealier if we allow kids to have sex then let's let them do all the other adult things.Homosexuality is between 2 adults,it is there problem no quesrion should be asked.\
Why exactly are you against satitory rape?
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@sailornaruto39 Who is to say that being 18 years of age designates anyone as being mature or not? Just a general consensus established by a group of legislators nothing more. Second, we are talking about gay MARRIAGE not homosexual activity. Marriage is a traditional and a religious ceremony. Open homosexuality is neither traditional nor sanctioned by any official religious denomination. Especially within western tradition.
ColdCypher 5 months ago
@ColdCypher "Who is to say that being 18 years of age designates anyone as being mature or not?"
ok maybe not mature,but of age to start taking resposiblities. And you said it yourself generally we are the ones to say.
" Marriage is a traditional and a religious ceremony. "
it is not only that,it is a legal contract as well.
"Open homosexuality is neither traditional nor sanctioned by any official religious denomination. Especially within western tradition."
and?
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@sailornaruto39 You receive tax breaks and other financial incentives for being a wed couple. The tax code needs broad reformations anyways. Thats the only real legal benefit to being married. Appealing to liberal and libertarian ideologies doesnt make your argument a good one either. We can only stand on what we have learned throughout our history. Its based on a feel-good mentality. Cultures based on hedonism are intrinsically self-destructive. This has been demonstrated several times.
ColdCypher 5 months ago
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@ColdCypher " You receive tax breaks and other financial incentives for being a wed couple."
more than that.
"Appealing to liberal and libertarian ideologies doesnt make your argument a good one either."
huh? like what?
"Cultures based on hedonism are intrinsically self-destructive."
and?America isn't,it is merely involved.
What exactly is your point?
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@ColdCypher appeals to tradition aren't good arguments
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@sailornaruto39 Im against statutory rape for several reasons. One, stat rape charges are usually pushed by the parents of the girl who is still living at home. In most cases, the situations involve unplanned pregnancies, coupled by a desire to avoid having an abortion etc and all of the extenuating circumstances teen pregnancies afford their immature, undeveloped, typically financially unstable, emotionally fragile and unwed mothers. These cases host a variety of other social problems.
ColdCypher 5 months ago