the question about "this pretentious talk of how so-called common people cannot understand beauty"... well you have an answer on Youtube. If you read the comments you'll see comments coming from people who hardly write their own langage, who are not so educated and enjoy M-A Charpentier, Lully and so many others.
Es ist aber kein barock-tanz. Ich glaube, dass Christie nur inspieriern wolte. Z. B. in die Teil "Gavotte" ist das ueberhaupt kein gavotte. Trozdem alles. Es mein lieblig Oper von Rameau und ich bin total froh, dafuer Christie so gemacht hat. Schade, ich koennte nur auf DVD das sehen. Vielleich ein Tag werden sie das wieder noch spielen.
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Nothing drives me crazier than the cultural dick-measuring contests that opera lovers can't seem to resist. Do you actually enjoy the music at all? Or is it just an excuse for you to drop names and pretend you're special?
Rameau himself was a composer who strove to bring opera to common people and was the first who managed to do so. Prior to him in France only the nobility and the affluent could appreciate such works.
Let´s not forget that the classical music is mostly a sophistication of the music created by common people as you can see in the popular european dances that were extensively used by baroque composers.
You are simplyfying the whole question...A shallow comment in my opinion...I adore Rameau's music since I was almost a child..and believe me, I've read dozens of books about his work..But I don't want to argue...; )
mgpoliveira isn't simplifying the question, however this pretentious talk of how so-called common people cannot understand beauty, is. When the focus is shifted from music as art to how it can be used to group people into 'common' and 'noble', the discussion becomes tedious and stupid. What do such ideas have to do with music? I have a strong dislike towards such artificial elitism. Especially since it can be so mean on no basis whatsoever.
It is true, uncommon people (if you can understand me) rarely create art, they usually sophisticate art created by common people.
Another good example can be find in Handel, who gave up opera nearly at the end of his life to devote himself to the oratorio form where he employed mostly amateur singers and had a great audience of both uncommon (if you can understand me again) and common people.
You are right. These comments are absurdly simplistic, generalizations and knee-jerk post-1960's reverse-elitism.
They (the comments) belong to the school of thought that teaches Everything Is Art," and Nothing Is Bad, and Rameau strove to bring opera to the common people, which may be the dumbest comment I've ever heard.
SinoSene makes a point about "artificial elitism," but I don't see a difference between elitism and "artificial elitism," or the "elitism of the reverse snob."
I don't get it. Are you correcting my English, or do you agree with this person instead, in that common people cannot appreciate beauty? Do you have to be uncommon to do so? That sounds funny and pretencious to me. Actually, everyday life is full of examples of common people creating and loving beauty that demonstrate the contrary.
Although I like very much "authentic" baroque operas, I think it's very interesting when someone like W.Christie puts it in a modern way. If you think about, it's modern music, something of our time, made for common people who just like music, and not just for specialists. And you can be quite sure that mr. Christie is far away from ignorant, in musical matters.
I can't help wondering why William Christie stopped working with the acknowledged experts in french baroque dance. This "modern" (read:balletic) take on baroque seems quite stiff and overheated in comparison.
Everything perfection! Bravo.
nahatsu2 10 months ago
Great choreography! There's room amid all the "authentic" dancing for such joyous expression as this.
davehshs 10 months ago
mwah! myes, quite divine. turn ur cassette recorders up full and put a scone in your anus, sit back and relax :D
addz17 1 year ago
first few seconds and I´m out of here
condessarte 1 year ago
Rameau et la Danse, quel couple EX-TRA-OR-DI-NAIRE!!!!!
66jjma 1 year ago
oh my god... and the French wonder why they have such a gay reputation? haha. and I mean gay in the nicest way possible :p
this is pretty, if a little silly, but that's fun too huh?
Audiolink 1 year ago
Estoy seguro que le gustaría al mismísimo Rousseau!!
carlokapuscinski 1 year ago
awesome
lent77cv 1 year ago
Is this available on DVD?
chapter24 2 years ago
the question about "this pretentious talk of how so-called common people cannot understand beauty"... well you have an answer on Youtube. If you read the comments you'll see comments coming from people who hardly write their own langage, who are not so educated and enjoy M-A Charpentier, Lully and so many others.
tkroff1455 2 years ago
Es ist aber kein barock-tanz. Ich glaube, dass Christie nur inspieriern wolte. Z. B. in die Teil "Gavotte" ist das ueberhaupt kein gavotte. Trozdem alles. Es mein lieblig Oper von Rameau und ich bin total froh, dafuer Christie so gemacht hat. Schade, ich koennte nur auf DVD das sehen. Vielleich ein Tag werden sie das wieder noch spielen.
humasz 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Nothing drives me crazier than the cultural dick-measuring contests that opera lovers can't seem to resist. Do you actually enjoy the music at all? Or is it just an excuse for you to drop names and pretend you're special?
fallesafe 2 years ago
why do you think that?
otacs2 2 years ago
Great,great Rameau.Light & airy. Christie/Rameau totally brilliant!
jmtappenden 2 years ago 6
wow this is humorous...
tokyopigry 2 years ago
Really?Oh,that's just because you are a pretencious and funny guy yourself...
Forget political correctness and demagogy just for a while and think about it...Regards. : )
vonspre 2 years ago
Rameau himself was a composer who strove to bring opera to common people and was the first who managed to do so. Prior to him in France only the nobility and the affluent could appreciate such works.
Let´s not forget that the classical music is mostly a sophistication of the music created by common people as you can see in the popular european dances that were extensively used by baroque composers.
mgpoliveira 2 years ago
You are simplyfying the whole question...A shallow comment in my opinion...I adore Rameau's music since I was almost a child..and believe me, I've read dozens of books about his work..But I don't want to argue...; )
vonspre 2 years ago
mgpoliveira isn't simplifying the question, however this pretentious talk of how so-called common people cannot understand beauty, is. When the focus is shifted from music as art to how it can be used to group people into 'common' and 'noble', the discussion becomes tedious and stupid. What do such ideas have to do with music? I have a strong dislike towards such artificial elitism. Especially since it can be so mean on no basis whatsoever.
SinoSene 2 years ago
It is true, uncommon people (if you can understand me) rarely create art, they usually sophisticate art created by common people.
Another good example can be find in Handel, who gave up opera nearly at the end of his life to devote himself to the oratorio form where he employed mostly amateur singers and had a great audience of both uncommon (if you can understand me again) and common people.
mgpoliveira 2 years ago
You are right. These comments are absurdly simplistic, generalizations and knee-jerk post-1960's reverse-elitism.
They (the comments) belong to the school of thought that teaches Everything Is Art," and Nothing Is Bad, and Rameau strove to bring opera to the common people, which may be the dumbest comment I've ever heard.
SinoSene makes a point about "artificial elitism," but I don't see a difference between elitism and "artificial elitism," or the "elitism of the reverse snob."
LazlosPlane 2 years ago
Of course Bill Christie is an excellent conductor, but I have to say i find this excerpt rather bland... :( dancing is great though.
blind913 3 years ago
Common people??? How can common people appreciate beauty?
MarieEtOlivia 3 years ago
A woman after (or two Women?) after my own heart.
HConstantine 3 years ago
A comment that must be one of the more stupid I've read on youtube.
SinoSene 3 years ago
Message to SinoSene:
your comment must be one of the more stupid I've read on youtube.
vonspre 2 years ago
Not only a most stupid comment, but also an evil one.
belaisko 3 years ago
essage to belaisko
Your comment is not only a stupid comment, but also an evil comment.
vonspre 2 years ago
I don't get it. Are you correcting my English, or do you agree with this person instead, in that common people cannot appreciate beauty? Do you have to be uncommon to do so? That sounds funny and pretencious to me. Actually, everyday life is full of examples of common people creating and loving beauty that demonstrate the contrary.
belaisko 2 years ago
yes!
suffiice 3 years ago
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vonspre 2 years ago
I agree with you MarieEtOlivia....I mean, it's obvious!!!!
vonspre 2 years ago
Although I like very much "authentic" baroque operas, I think it's very interesting when someone like W.Christie puts it in a modern way. If you think about, it's modern music, something of our time, made for common people who just like music, and not just for specialists. And you can be quite sure that mr. Christie is far away from ignorant, in musical matters.
edudaviola 3 years ago 3
:18 is awesome
jackeddemon 3 years ago
DIGNO PARA PLASMARCE EN UNA PINTURA
WOLFMEANN 4 years ago
SUBLIME
WOLFMEANN 4 years ago 3
Delicioso espectáculo!
JuandrezBog 4 years ago
que palhaço metido a besta
darkweed 3 years ago
I can't help wondering why William Christie stopped working with the acknowledged experts in french baroque dance. This "modern" (read:balletic) take on baroque seems quite stiff and overheated in comparison.
MissCecchetti 4 years ago
I agree with you.
Although I like this sort of dance performance I also prefer true baroque dance.
I hope Mr. Christie employs french baroque dance experts again.
mgpoliveira 4 years ago
I totally agree. Some have called me "restrictive" but they are musicologically ignorant, apparently.
NorbertZF 4 years ago