Dear god, why is "childbirth" in the related videos? Is there some kind of symbolism I'm supposed to pick up on? Are we all just pigs? Slithering out of our mother's slaughterhouse of a uterus as hot, smokey links?
If this is supposed to make me stop eating pork, it failed miserably. The pig was shocked unconscious in a fraction of a second and then was bled out, I thought that's what you PETA bastards wanted... apparently you just like to bitch.
I love meat! But I feel the means we raise and farm animals is wrong regardless of "how the animal feels" & "how would you feel if you lived like that" I don't like how they are treated there is a vile lack of respect for another life. I have shot, butchered, cooked and eaten many game animals! But never taken them for granted. What gets me is how many of these will just be dumped in a bin and wasted in people's homes rather then humans taking just what's needed when it's needed! But that is ex
this is still ok la.... at least they put the pig to sleep before slaughtering them... u havent seen the worst yet.... there is video on youtube not long ago where they crush the pig with rollers when it is damn conscious... at least this slaughter house has got some humanity in it.
How beautiful. These pigs are being treated so humanely and killed so gently. I realize you were not trying to portray that but that is what I am seeing. It is a beautiful production. This is where your food comes from. Eat bacon and enjoy life.
and if its religious, explain to me what the fuck is the diffrence between a pig and a cow, chicken, fish, lamb or crustecan,etc.and before you start quoting the Qu'ran or the old testament all of em are just as dead and dirty as pigs and cows and sheep are "cloven footed" the same way a pig is. Only reason pigs are covered in mud is cause thats how they are kept, in enclosures where their hoofs tear up the ground and create mud. Chickens, Horses, dogs, kids roll in the dirt to, r they dirty?
@odgfym Actually, pigs naturally bathe in mud because they can't sweat, that's how they keep fresh, and also because it protects them against parasites. Pigs in factory farms have no mud to bathe in and they don't create mud with their hoofs tearing up the ground, because it's usually concrete! Aren't you ashamed of making things up? Doesn't matter who's "dirty", what matters is who's sentient, and all animais you mentioned are. Thus it's an ethical imperative to not cause them needless harm.
OMG!!! I CANT BELIEVE HUMANS< THE MOST INTELLIGENT AND TOP PREDATOR ON EARTH ARE SYSTIMATICALLY MAKING FOOD OUT OF AN ANIMAL THAT HUMANS BREED GROW AND KEEP FOR...for...for...food? Oh yeah, what a tragedy making meat to eat out of pigs, why would a species ever kill an animal that they eat...fuckin hippies, im sure you cry about people going hungry too, cant have it both ways...and dont try to spit that veggie BS, you know dam well we arent made to eat only leaves and fruit...
@odgfym Actually, humans are only behavioral omnivores, we can choose, unlike carnivores, for example, and physiologically we're much better equipped to eat vegetables than to eat animal products. Also, animal agriculture is the biggest waste of food in the world since the anti-natural excess of animals bred for consumption give back around 15 times LESS food than they consume, not to mention the water. All that shouldn't even be an issue though, because we simply don't have to eat animals.
@RicardoPetinga "... physiologically we're much better equipped to eat vegetables than to eat animal products." This is not true. We cannot digest certain plant matter. If we could, then I'd agree, but we can't. We're not bovines, who can digest it. You can't argue that it's healthier to eat just plants because it isn't true.
@SaudadeSunday Saying that we can't digest certain plant matter is a half-truth at best, it says nothing about all the plant matter that we can and do digest with our digestive system, which, incidentally, is far more similar to that of herbivores than to that of carnivores. Your forgot to say we also can't fully digest many animal products, and that much meat stays rotting in your colon for years, Also, not all herbivores are bovines, but they're still herbivores.
@SaudadeSunday And regarding your last sentence, yes I can argue that it's healthier to eat just plants. All evidence shows that vegans and vegetarians are generally healthier than meat-eaters, and far less likely to get many diseases, especially the diseases that are the main causes of death in developed countries, such as cardiovascular diseases, certain types of cancer, diabetes, etc. You can disagree all you want, but you'll just be turning a blind eye to all evidence.
@RicardoPetinga If there is such evidence, then you have a source for it. You conveniently do not provide it and will not provide it. Saying that we can't digest certain plant matter is not a half-truth. It is a fact. Eating a balanced, omnivorous (which our digestive systems are exactly like as opposed to just similar to herbivorous) diet, like our bodies are designed to, is better than eating just plants. You can make claims all you want, but they're just claims without proof.
@SaudadeSunday One source out of many: "In prospective studies of adults, compared to non-vegetarian eating patterns, vegetarian-style eating patterns have been associated with improved health outcomes — lower levels of obesity, a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease, and lower total mortality. Several clinical trials have documented that vegetarian eating patterns lower blood pressure." Dietary Guidelines for Americans, United States Department of Agriculture, 2010, p. 45.
@SaudadeSunday You're trying to make your case by pointing out what's missing in mine, but conveniently presenting no proof against my claims either, just demanding more than I can fit in a youtube comment and wearing out my patience. What you said was a half-truth because although it's true, it conveniently ommited the rest of the truth. I never said we're not omnivorous, only that we don't need animal products at all, which is a fact, as proven by millions of healthy vegans.
@RicardoPetinga I'm not making a case, you are. You're saying that to be vegan/vegetarian is inherently healthier than being omnivorous. I don't believe you. All it takes is links to sources, which doesn't take up much room (if the site is organized properly). Of course we don't need animal products. We don't need plant products either. We can synthesize all necessary organic compounds. You made a comparison of the human digestive system to carnivores and herbivores omitting omnivores.
@SaudadeSunday I'm giving you more than enough of my time. I have no illusions that you'll simply turn a blind eye to anything I say. If you really wanted to get informed, you'd get informed. It's not hard, information is easily accessible. We don't need animal products and animals are sentient, plants aren't, so we also don't need to resort to synthetic food. I didn't omit omnivores, I said WE're omnivores, but have more in common with herbivores than carnivores.
@SaudadeSunday I'll play along though. Yes, humans can be healthy by eating a balanced omivorous diet, or a vegan diet. I rarely go into the health questions because this is already well known (if you don't live under a rock) and, frankly, because veganism arises from ethical concern for other sentient lives, not from health concerns. Non-vegans contribute to exploitation and suffering of billions of lives, vegans don't want to. Animals aren't commodities. It's really that simple.
@RicardoPetinga And I maintain that my statement is not a half-truth because it is qualified with the term "certain." My statement, if you read it correctly, says that we cannot digest some plant matter but can digest others. I have omitted nothing therefore, it is a whole truth. I enjoy eating animals. I enjoy the fact that the many ranchers here have a livelihood because of cattle (I'm from Texas). Suffering only occurs in inhumane conditions. The process in the video is humane.
@SaudadeSunday Yeah, but you seemed to be trying to convey an affirmation that we shouldn't be vegans for health reasons providing only an irrelevant fact. Enjoyment of something doesn't justify it. Pedophiles enjoy molesting children. Serial killers enjoy killing. Might does not make right. Suffering occurs out of mere confinement and a lifetime of being treated like a commodity, not just from slaughter. "Humane slaughter"? There's nothing humane about needless killing, ever.
@RicardoPetinga Also, I'd like to see where all the B12 is in plants, buddy. Oh, yeah, they don't have it! Try eating a plant-based diet without a supplement and not eventually die.
@SaudadeSunday Yes, many vegans take B12 suplements or fortified foods. And guess what, so have to many meat-eaters and they also often need many other supplements than vegans don't. Furthermore, vegans take a lot less medicines than meat-eaters because they're not aflicted by as many diseases. So yeah, I'd rather take a supplement occasionally if that's what it takes to not participate in needless cruelty, than participate in it and have to take pills to improve my health.
@RicardoPetinga "also often need many other supplements that vegans don't." Says who? Sources, man, you suck at providing them. One paper out of the Dept. of Ag doesn't cut it. It only proves what we've always known: that people who pay attention to their diets are healthier. It's not like meat is poison, man. People like you compare a perfect vegan diet to a shitty omnivorous diet. Try a perfect vegan diet vs a perfect omnivorous one and there's little difference.
@SaudadeSunday I don't think you're really interested in sources. Meat isn't poison, and it's not inherently unhealthy if consumed in moderation. I'm using a statistical approach to compare vegan and non-vegan diets, but even far from perfect vegan diets offer advantages over common animal-based diets. The difference that matters though, is that vegan diets minimize the suffering and death toll of animals. You want sources? Ever heard of google? I've done enough work for you.
@SaudadeSunday I've had discussions with people like you before and all you seem to say is that vegans can't be vegan. In other words: Reality can't be real! It's pure denial, keeping you from addressing the ethical concerns that could potentially ask of you a change in habits and lifestyle. Change might be hard, but it's necessary, inevitable (socially, not personally) and completely worth it (socially and personally). Defensiveness is the most predictable response.
@RicardoPetinga Where did I say you cannot be a vegan? Nowhere. I'm just saying it is not "superior" to be a vegan. In no way is being a vegan ethical or scientifically superior. Try putting on muscle whilst being a vegan. It's inefficient. I have addressed the ethical concerns already and know that nothing I or millions of people (as has already been proven) can change everything. You are being defensive after I found the holes in your arguments. I've seen animals skinned alive, and it's OK.
@SaudadeSunday In every way is being vegan ethical. Do you know the golden rule of ethics? "We must treat others as we wish others to treat us." Live and let live. "Others" includes all creatures with a capacity for suffering. Veganism is better for animals, for the environment and ultimately for humans too, in every way. As for the muscle, there're many vegan athletes and bodybuilders, so you're just speaking from ignorance.
@RicardoPetinga I said gaining muscle while being a vegan is inefficient, not impossible. You say it is "unnecessary" to kill animals. However, one is doing it to eat and, therefore, live. By implication (something from logic) you are saying living is unnecessary, which directly contradicts your initial statement. Anyway, I agree that Google is best to be informed, and I have used it to find impartial studied that contradict your statements.
@SaudadeSunday It is unnecessary to purposefully kill animals for consumption. You are doing it to eat, but you don't need to eat animals to live. That's quite a twist of logic you came up with there. Animals' lives are their own, not ours, and you don't need to take them to sustain your own life. That's a simple fact, there's no contradiction there. It's a good thing you're a good judge of what is and isn't impartial [sarcasm alert]. I'm partial to ethics and compassion.
@SaudadeSunday I was thinking of giving you examples of athletes and bodybuilders who prove that muscle gain is not inneficient in vegans, but it's such an irrelevant point I'm not even going to bother. But here's a hint, if you type "Vegan" and "athlete" or "bodybuilder" on a search engine, you might find something. You might not find freakishly gigantic men, but from my perspective, that's a positive thing, for all reasons. You might be surprised by certain raw-food vegans.
@RicardoPetinga It's inefficient in that it is not as efficient as eating tons of protein from animal sources (whey, ablumen, etc.). That Google search brought me results that say vegan bodybuilding is a small group. Raw-food vegans are also hurting themselves. They obviously have not heard of anti-nutrient factors.
@RicardoPetinga I didn't say being a vegan was unethical, I said it was not ethically superior. Fuck, you ignore what I say at every turn. Either that or you need to learn yourself some English, man. And I did find holes in your argument you refuse to face. You are being defensive by the very act of defending being vegan right now. Are you saying you are not defending the vegan lifestyle? Because you are, objectively speaking.
@SaudadeSunday You know what kind of defensiveness I was talking about. Yes, I am defending veganism, because I'm defending animals, because I feel a responsibility to do so. I've argued and questioned about these topics enough to know there are no arguments against veganism, which made me become a vegan. I didn't say that you said being vegan is unethical, I said that not being vegan is. At the very least, not being vegan is less ethical by blatantly ignoring the Golden Rule.
@SaudadeSunday No, you can't change everything. Especially if you can't even change yourself. I've changed myself. I've helped others change and they, in turn, have helped and continue helping others, as do I. We're activists and yes, we do provoke change, that's only as slow as it is because of people with your kind of mentality, who think it's useless to do anything because they can't do everything, so they do nothing to change. No matter, we'll get there, for the animals.
@RicardoPetinga My mentality is to change what I can within reason, like I said. And within the bounds of what science can prove. You continue to argue about animals feeling pain when, as shown in the video, it is possible to kill animals painlessly. As for the expense, your salary is probably far higher than you think it is. And if I complained about the expense of eating vegan, why would I buy leather, fur, etc.? I believe in products that are effective at their task, not luxury.
@SaudadeSunday Animals aren't commodities. It's that simple. Their lives are their own, to live naturally, not to be bred for human consumption and to a life of confinement and abuse and ultimately slaughter. They're sentient, as shown by their similarities to our neurophysiology and behavioral and physiological responses. And when in doubt regarding some species, we should treat them considering the possibilty of sentience. Do the least harm. Is that so much to ask?
@RicardoPetinga You say that animals are confined and abused but that is not always the case. And many animals live out their life in happiness rather than constantly struggling and suffering as they would in the wild. Who are you to determine what is best for animals on a proper ranch? Have you interviewed them? They're sentient as far as having sensation is concerned, sure. I don't deny this. Also, the Golden Rule, as you say, is actually a poor concept, philosophically speaking.
@SaudadeSunday Back to the muscle issue: How warped do one's priorities have to be if you think the possibility of not gaining muscle efficiently is worse than the unnecessary killing of an animal?? I'd rather be compassionate than a selfish hulk. By the way, I wasn't being defensive. I was when I ate animals, until I faced myself. You didn't find holes in my arguments, you merely requested more than I cared to post on a youtube comment. You may find holes in my patience though.
@RicardoPetinga And by "OK" I mean it's fine with me since I can't do a thing about it. That's China for you. There are plenty things wrong with the world, and I can only attempt to fix certain things at a time. Being vegan is not economically sound (it's more expensive) nor is it satisfying nor inherently healthier nor morally superior (especially if you shop local, which is about all there is here).
@SaudadeSunday I've been living on a low salary for quite some time and I have no problems being vegan, economically, or at all. It's only expensive if you buy processed foods, but so are animal products. You can do something, you can choose not to wear fur or leather or any animal skins and to show and tell other people why they shouldn't either. We have power as consumers and we should use it responsibly, and spread information. Slowly, more and more people will change.
@RicardoPetinga In any case, I understand that your argument about health is irrelevant now. You just want to save the animals. I hope you don't support PETA, then. Also, you must hate the Jewish people, since their laws dictate that animals die in pain. And people who cannot afford a vegan diet that is properly balanced (an issue that is less of a problem for omnivorous diets) need to kill animals. An animal's life isn't their own, they are killed by predators every day.
@SaudadeSunday I do not support PETA. I don't hate jewish people or any groups of people. I despise religion, but that's a whole other topic. Besides, there're many jewish vegans in the world. Judaism doesn't mandate consumption of animal products, it just mandates that animal slaughter has to be kosher. Fortunately, veganism transcends religion and politics. It's no problem at all to have a healthy balanced vegan diet on a low income.
@RicardoPetinga No, they don't demand that anyone eat anything specific, but kosher means the painful slaughter of animals, as opposed to the painless process shown in the video. An animal cannot be made to not feel pain according to Jewish law. As for a low income, it is not "no problem." there is plenty issue if you have a low income. If you make no money it's only really possible to farm, hunt, and forage. In fact, below $30k for a family of four would be very difficult indeed.
@SaudadeSunday Low income is obviously always a problem, but I was just comparing vegan consumption with non-vegan consumption and it's not more expensive to be vegan if you stay away from processed and pre-made or pre-cooked foods. Even when I was unemployed I could get by just fine, I just had to avoid certain luxuries and unnecessary items, like any non-vegan would.
@SaudadeSunday And each individual's life, human or non-human, is his/her own. We can be killed by predators too, or by human murderers, but our lives do not belong to them. We don't have to be predators for other animals, but natural predators do. It all comes down to necessity. No one owns anyone else's life (and yes, when I say "anyone" I am refering to human and non-human animals, because they're "who", not "what", they're not objects, they're not property).
@RicardoPetinga The biggest problem with your argument is that you believe animals are "better off" not living on some ranch or farm. You seem to think I'm arguing for the continued poor treatment of animals. I'm not. There are many ranches and farms that have animals that are better off than nature would let them be. Also, you seem to be opposed to having pets, which is absurd. The ethical argument you propose has been disproved countless times.
@SaudadeSunday You can't just exclude one bad thing when I mention other things that I see as wrong. Pain, suffering, confinement are all intolerable, but so is the taking of their needless lives even if they were allowed to live a free and happy life. I'm not opposed to having pets because the overpopulation of certain species requires responsible measures, like adoption, since it's due to human irresponsibility in the first place. I need to comment again to continue this...
@SaudadeSunday Pets are like family members. We adopt them and take responsibility for their well being. They're not products or viewed as such. That's the difference. No animal should be bred for any human interests, such as commerce, use for whatever purpose, slaughter for consumption or simple curiosity/want. That obviously include pets. It should be a crime to breed and sell/buy them. And one day it will be.
@RicardoPetinga Pets are confined, something you are against. You could say the same thing about dairy cows and egg-laying chickens. Farmers just take responsibility for their well-being. Once again, I'm talking about good farms and ranches, not cruel ones. And you would also not like the concept of putting an animal down in its old age, which many pet owners do as an act of mercy. This is taking a life. If we followed your claims thus far we would just let them be.
@SaudadeSunday How can you compare having pets to confinement? Sure, if, for example, dogs are chained, or always stuck in the same space. That's not responsible adoption or taking care of them. If you don't have appropriate conditions, don't have a pet. I'm not against justified euthanasia (if an animal cannot be alleviated of hisher suffering any other way), I'm against needless killing. How can you not understand the difference? Yes, ideally, we would just let them be. But...
@SaudadeSunday ... Dogs, for example, aren't even a natural species, they wouldn't exist if it wasn't for humans, so they're our responsibility until their population is down to acceptable numbers. Same with cats, who were spread all over the world by humans. I'm all for having pigs or chickens as pets too, if you can grant them a good life and NOT KILL THEM! Pets aren't kept or purposefully bred just so we can at some point take their lives for our own interests. HUGE difference.
@SaudadeSunday It's not natural for tens of billions of "farm animals" to be born and murdered each year. Their breeding shouldn't continue, just like that of pets, and they should be taken care of for the rest of their natural lives, just like pets. Their context right now is worlds apart. Good farms? Yes, they exist, such as Farm Sanctuary, where people are vegan and animals aren't murdered. We don't need to consume their bodies or secretions. Again, it's really that simple.
@SaudadeSunday Care to explain how the Golden Rule fails? It's a general guideline, and should be interpreted with good sense. You claim the ethical argument for veganism has been disproved, but you don't bother to say how. You certainly haven't disproved anything. You go around and around trying to complicate something that is rather simple. We shouldn't hurt or kill others if we don't need to. Animals aren't objects, they're sentient and shouldn't be viewed as resources.
@RicardoPetinga The Golden Rule fails because it assumes everyone has the same opinion on how they want to be treated. This is not to say that it fails in regard to your application, just that it is not a good thing to follow in general. Being vegan is not easy and cost-effective. It can be either-or, but not both. Rice and beans are cheap and vegan, sure, but they're inconvenient to prepare. Inconvenient enough that it could have a negative effective on your health (lack of sleep).
@SaudadeSunday Like I said, it's a general guideline and should be interpreted as refering to our basic wants, needs and rights. Masochists, for example, aren't the rule, they're the exception. Some good sense, please. Pain, confinement and death are, naturally and therefore generally, things all creatures want to avoid at all cost. We all (generally) want comfort, feed and freedom. I'm vegan and most my friends are, and it's easy and cost-effective. Rice and beans are great. Wtf?
@RicardoPetinga And I just proved that as a general guideline that it fails. Google it, son. The Golden Rule doesn't hold up. And it's not just masochists that mess it up, it's countless other things. And I never said rice and beans were bad, just that they were inconvenient (mainly beans). You have to soak them, cook them over long periods of time, etc. Pets are confined. We don't let them go outside when they want to because we're not at home or it's inconvenient.
@RicardoPetinga The ethics are not black and white, as you seem to think, they are muddled. Google "ethics of eating meat" and click the Wikipedia article, then go down to the section about Pain. This would mostly support what you say, but everything falls on a slippery slope. Read the entire section. Basically, it argues where the line is drawn. What about cockroaches? Tapeworms? Shrimp? And so on.
@SaudadeSunday I never said it's black and white. But in some cases, they are. Murdering humans is unethical, so is murdering other sentient animals, but in some cases you just have to choose to do the least harm, which is what vegans choose. I don't know if cockroaches or shrimp have any degree of sentience, but I give them the benefit of the doubt. Tapeworms are parasites and I think we're justified to protect ourselves against them. Not comparable to murdering a cow. Is it?
@RicardoPetinga Killing a person is not always unethical. If you think that is black and white, then you aren't suited for this discussion. Take at least an introductory course on philosophy to understand. We don't have to kill tapeworms to remove them. Does that mean we should release them? No. Like you said, if we don't have to do it we shouldn't, right? And it is a slippery slope. Because "suffering" is difficult to measure in certain animals. It's the definition of a slippery slope.
@SaudadeSunday I've actually read that article. It's not such a slippery slope, the way I see it. You commit to contributing the least possible to the suffering and death of others. That's veganism. Not consuming animal products is the most practical and efficient way to do that in your daily life, using your power as a consumer. And as vegans increase in number, vegan goods get cheaper and more accessible. I've seen their prices go down by half or more in just a few years.
@RicardoPetinga By breathing you contribute to the slow death of the Earth, you know that, right? If you died it would be the best thing for the earth, and you would contribute no death or suffering to anyone, ever. All your actions in your life aren't going to amount to anything of note anyway, not more than what your death would contribute, so why live? You talk in absolutes, see black and white, and don't consider all sides. I do and I have found that it means little to be a vegan.
@RicardoPetinga If you were true to yourself you would realize that you are only a vegan to feel better about yourself, not to bring any real change. Think about it, if you cared you would do more than just be vegan, which is a token gesture at best. And protesting, letter-writing, etc. don't amount to much either. You can continue living your life, I don't care, but I suggest you stop pretending you're better than anyone else.
@RicardoPetinga I'd like to conclude this discussion with an agreement to disagree. You have your opinion (don't hurt things for no reason), I have pointed out that things aren't that simple. I have my opinion (there is no moral high ground for vegans), and you have stated that your opinion means that there is. You can go on feeling smug as you hypocritically keep pets and I'll continue eating a balanced diet as my body is designed to. I intend to trade up for a robot body ASAP, though.
This is a humane slaughterhouse. They properly stun the animal and look them cleanly. And for the people who forget, we are omnivores we eat all. It's part if the food chain. If these had been wild pigs, some other animal would have caught it and killed and ate it invaluable more brutal manner. Food for thought children.
@DeadlySin520 There's nothing humane about slaughter/murder, ever. Yes, we are omnivores, behavioral omnivores. We can choose what to eat and we know now (and have known for a long time) that we don't need meat or any animal products, which means that we breed, confine, exploit and murder animals without needing to, which means we choose to ignore the suffering of animals out of habit and selfishness, because we can0. There's no justification for that, it's just plainly unethical.
@jamyefay91 How about not killing the pig at all? How about not breeding pigs to be slaughtered in the first place? How about not eating them since you don't need to? How about, as a consumer, not demanding their murder and therefore diminishing the supply? What's really sad is that people still choose to be a part of this horrible injustice. And for what? Taste! When there're all kinds of "fakes" that taste exactly the same! And even if they didn't, others' lives should matter more.
Its sad to think that these intelligent and innocent animals will be brutally and systematically slaughtered with cruel precission in a slaughterhouse. their futures are nothing more than a few scraggley pork chops for glutinous and evil humans. I feverently hope a huge plague will come along and wipe humanity out, for which I would comply without fear- we humans deserve nothing but death for raping this planet. Only then will freedom return to the animals.
@Mkaychubby, Exactly. That is what we're eating. So what? You think that all of us have your weak constitution. I dont care how pigs are killed. They're animals, not human so stop equating us with them. They are a food source. People with this viewpoint are delusional at best. Please get your head checked....
For all you meat eaters, this is what you're eating. It's weird, whenever I watch this, I feel like my arms and legs are being cut because I get this weird pain in my arms and legs as if I'm actually being cut. Also, in the video, at the end, the heads actually looked FAKE, didn't anyone else notice that? And yet, this video is completely true. Sad, very sad indeed.
o vegitarians... you are soooo silly. you call that a bad death? do you know how many seals are violently ripped apart by polar bears? or wildebeest slowly cut apart and dragged down by a bunch of lions? dont get mad at humans, get mad at the nature of planet earth/
0:47 Aw, look at the cute, cuddly pi... HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! In all seriousness, this is way more humane than what is done in traditional slaughterhouses, in here they send the pig into shock so it doesn't feel anything.
I've watched many inhumane documentries and videos on youtube and this video seems the civilist one I have seen so far. I am a vegatarian but understand the death of animals is inevitable, humans are made to eat meat. But this video seems like the machinery is the most humane way to kill a pig.
@Androphilian take it how you want. It wasn't made to make a judgement call. All I was saying was that geneetically humans are meant to eat meat. we obviously dont have to, because we can supplement everything we eat for something no animal by product. you didnt have to take it so litterally.
I don't really care much for the "Is It Humane" debate. But i really enjoy watching these videos for the simple fact that i enjoy seeing where my food is coming from. Seeing the original form of a product being processed and sent down the assembly line is just cool too me.
@squanderling Factory farms for plants...animals. No difference. Both mass producing living beings to be eaten. Noting wrong with that. Nature created a world in which for something to live something else must first die.
Dear god, why is "childbirth" in the related videos? Is there some kind of symbolism I'm supposed to pick up on? Are we all just pigs? Slithering out of our mother's slaughterhouse of a uterus as hot, smokey links?
DustyOldRoses 1 week ago
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So THIS is how you make a sausage!
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MalfunctionzDubstep 1 week ago
If this is supposed to make me stop eating pork, it failed miserably. The pig was shocked unconscious in a fraction of a second and then was bled out, I thought that's what you PETA bastards wanted... apparently you just like to bitch.
ShortFingeredShreder 2 weeks ago
i only watched this video because everybody said sausage is good until you find out what its made of i did but then i took an arrow to the knee
aaronhairyballs 3 weeks ago
ewww thank god i dont eat pork :S
nawalita77 3 weeks ago
this is what i masturbate to
philpritchettphan 3 weeks ago
Por lo menos no sufren los cerdos...
asdfghjkl12345765 1 month ago
no more Sausage and bacon
backfilpmax 1 month ago
i love meat so much but it makes me feel terrible knowing how they do this to animals
nothing could stop it though
its food \:
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loca81535 1 month ago
I love meat! But I feel the means we raise and farm animals is wrong regardless of "how the animal feels" & "how would you feel if you lived like that" I don't like how they are treated there is a vile lack of respect for another life. I have shot, butchered, cooked and eaten many game animals! But never taken them for granted. What gets me is how many of these will just be dumped in a bin and wasted in people's homes rather then humans taking just what's needed when it's needed! But that is ex
TheDace79 1 month ago
yummy yummy!!
littlestefi 1 month ago
Cry all you want, "vegan idiots". Humans will never stop eating meat. Eat your heart now!
Bruno53ification 2 months ago
How is that undercover, the footage is filmed with a camera on a tripod...
sogatt 2 months ago
guess wut im having for breakfast tommorow
PsychoSquid28 2 months ago
I like how this facility has done there work very humane
pit412009 2 months ago
Mmm bacon...
beragand 2 months ago
if animals don't want to be eaten why are they made out of food?
gavin0883 2 months ago
my question is ... why cant the damn asians adopt these humane standards of slaughtering dogs instead of torturing them to death
RGOC2012 3 months ago
this is still ok la.... at least they put the pig to sleep before slaughtering them... u havent seen the worst yet.... there is video on youtube not long ago where they crush the pig with rollers when it is damn conscious... at least this slaughter house has got some humanity in it.
jacoon910308 4 months ago
How beautiful. These pigs are being treated so humanely and killed so gently. I realize you were not trying to portray that but that is what I am seeing. It is a beautiful production. This is where your food comes from. Eat bacon and enjoy life.
ceeceell 4 months ago
Think I'll have some sausage toorrow.
MIKECNW 4 months ago
this is beautiful and this is why i hunt deer and eat venison
MrFlyingBeagle 4 months ago
and if its religious, explain to me what the fuck is the diffrence between a pig and a cow, chicken, fish, lamb or crustecan,etc.and before you start quoting the Qu'ran or the old testament all of em are just as dead and dirty as pigs and cows and sheep are "cloven footed" the same way a pig is. Only reason pigs are covered in mud is cause thats how they are kept, in enclosures where their hoofs tear up the ground and create mud. Chickens, Horses, dogs, kids roll in the dirt to, r they dirty?
odgfym 4 months ago
@odgfym Actually, pigs naturally bathe in mud because they can't sweat, that's how they keep fresh, and also because it protects them against parasites. Pigs in factory farms have no mud to bathe in and they don't create mud with their hoofs tearing up the ground, because it's usually concrete! Aren't you ashamed of making things up? Doesn't matter who's "dirty", what matters is who's sentient, and all animais you mentioned are. Thus it's an ethical imperative to not cause them needless harm.
RicardoPetinga 2 months ago
OMG!!! I CANT BELIEVE HUMANS< THE MOST INTELLIGENT AND TOP PREDATOR ON EARTH ARE SYSTIMATICALLY MAKING FOOD OUT OF AN ANIMAL THAT HUMANS BREED GROW AND KEEP FOR...for...for...food? Oh yeah, what a tragedy making meat to eat out of pigs, why would a species ever kill an animal that they eat...fuckin hippies, im sure you cry about people going hungry too, cant have it both ways...and dont try to spit that veggie BS, you know dam well we arent made to eat only leaves and fruit...
odgfym 4 months ago
@odgfym Actually, humans are only behavioral omnivores, we can choose, unlike carnivores, for example, and physiologically we're much better equipped to eat vegetables than to eat animal products. Also, animal agriculture is the biggest waste of food in the world since the anti-natural excess of animals bred for consumption give back around 15 times LESS food than they consume, not to mention the water. All that shouldn't even be an issue though, because we simply don't have to eat animals.
RicardoPetinga 2 months ago
@RicardoPetinga "... physiologically we're much better equipped to eat vegetables than to eat animal products." This is not true. We cannot digest certain plant matter. If we could, then I'd agree, but we can't. We're not bovines, who can digest it. You can't argue that it's healthier to eat just plants because it isn't true.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday Saying that we can't digest certain plant matter is a half-truth at best, it says nothing about all the plant matter that we can and do digest with our digestive system, which, incidentally, is far more similar to that of herbivores than to that of carnivores. Your forgot to say we also can't fully digest many animal products, and that much meat stays rotting in your colon for years, Also, not all herbivores are bovines, but they're still herbivores.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday And regarding your last sentence, yes I can argue that it's healthier to eat just plants. All evidence shows that vegans and vegetarians are generally healthier than meat-eaters, and far less likely to get many diseases, especially the diseases that are the main causes of death in developed countries, such as cardiovascular diseases, certain types of cancer, diabetes, etc. You can disagree all you want, but you'll just be turning a blind eye to all evidence.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga If there is such evidence, then you have a source for it. You conveniently do not provide it and will not provide it. Saying that we can't digest certain plant matter is not a half-truth. It is a fact. Eating a balanced, omnivorous (which our digestive systems are exactly like as opposed to just similar to herbivorous) diet, like our bodies are designed to, is better than eating just plants. You can make claims all you want, but they're just claims without proof.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday One source out of many: "In prospective studies of adults, compared to non-vegetarian eating patterns, vegetarian-style eating patterns have been associated with improved health outcomes — lower levels of obesity, a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease, and lower total mortality. Several clinical trials have documented that vegetarian eating patterns lower blood pressure." Dietary Guidelines for Americans, United States Department of Agriculture, 2010, p. 45.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday You're trying to make your case by pointing out what's missing in mine, but conveniently presenting no proof against my claims either, just demanding more than I can fit in a youtube comment and wearing out my patience. What you said was a half-truth because although it's true, it conveniently ommited the rest of the truth. I never said we're not omnivorous, only that we don't need animal products at all, which is a fact, as proven by millions of healthy vegans.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga I'm not making a case, you are. You're saying that to be vegan/vegetarian is inherently healthier than being omnivorous. I don't believe you. All it takes is links to sources, which doesn't take up much room (if the site is organized properly). Of course we don't need animal products. We don't need plant products either. We can synthesize all necessary organic compounds. You made a comparison of the human digestive system to carnivores and herbivores omitting omnivores.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday I'm giving you more than enough of my time. I have no illusions that you'll simply turn a blind eye to anything I say. If you really wanted to get informed, you'd get informed. It's not hard, information is easily accessible. We don't need animal products and animals are sentient, plants aren't, so we also don't need to resort to synthetic food. I didn't omit omnivores, I said WE're omnivores, but have more in common with herbivores than carnivores.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday I'll play along though. Yes, humans can be healthy by eating a balanced omivorous diet, or a vegan diet. I rarely go into the health questions because this is already well known (if you don't live under a rock) and, frankly, because veganism arises from ethical concern for other sentient lives, not from health concerns. Non-vegans contribute to exploitation and suffering of billions of lives, vegans don't want to. Animals aren't commodities. It's really that simple.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga And I maintain that my statement is not a half-truth because it is qualified with the term "certain." My statement, if you read it correctly, says that we cannot digest some plant matter but can digest others. I have omitted nothing therefore, it is a whole truth. I enjoy eating animals. I enjoy the fact that the many ranchers here have a livelihood because of cattle (I'm from Texas). Suffering only occurs in inhumane conditions. The process in the video is humane.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday Yeah, but you seemed to be trying to convey an affirmation that we shouldn't be vegans for health reasons providing only an irrelevant fact. Enjoyment of something doesn't justify it. Pedophiles enjoy molesting children. Serial killers enjoy killing. Might does not make right. Suffering occurs out of mere confinement and a lifetime of being treated like a commodity, not just from slaughter. "Humane slaughter"? There's nothing humane about needless killing, ever.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga Also, I'd like to see where all the B12 is in plants, buddy. Oh, yeah, they don't have it! Try eating a plant-based diet without a supplement and not eventually die.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday Yes, many vegans take B12 suplements or fortified foods. And guess what, so have to many meat-eaters and they also often need many other supplements than vegans don't. Furthermore, vegans take a lot less medicines than meat-eaters because they're not aflicted by as many diseases. So yeah, I'd rather take a supplement occasionally if that's what it takes to not participate in needless cruelty, than participate in it and have to take pills to improve my health.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga "also often need many other supplements that vegans don't." Says who? Sources, man, you suck at providing them. One paper out of the Dept. of Ag doesn't cut it. It only proves what we've always known: that people who pay attention to their diets are healthier. It's not like meat is poison, man. People like you compare a perfect vegan diet to a shitty omnivorous diet. Try a perfect vegan diet vs a perfect omnivorous one and there's little difference.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday I don't think you're really interested in sources. Meat isn't poison, and it's not inherently unhealthy if consumed in moderation. I'm using a statistical approach to compare vegan and non-vegan diets, but even far from perfect vegan diets offer advantages over common animal-based diets. The difference that matters though, is that vegan diets minimize the suffering and death toll of animals. You want sources? Ever heard of google? I've done enough work for you.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday I've had discussions with people like you before and all you seem to say is that vegans can't be vegan. In other words: Reality can't be real! It's pure denial, keeping you from addressing the ethical concerns that could potentially ask of you a change in habits and lifestyle. Change might be hard, but it's necessary, inevitable (socially, not personally) and completely worth it (socially and personally). Defensiveness is the most predictable response.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga Where did I say you cannot be a vegan? Nowhere. I'm just saying it is not "superior" to be a vegan. In no way is being a vegan ethical or scientifically superior. Try putting on muscle whilst being a vegan. It's inefficient. I have addressed the ethical concerns already and know that nothing I or millions of people (as has already been proven) can change everything. You are being defensive after I found the holes in your arguments. I've seen animals skinned alive, and it's OK.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday In every way is being vegan ethical. Do you know the golden rule of ethics? "We must treat others as we wish others to treat us." Live and let live. "Others" includes all creatures with a capacity for suffering. Veganism is better for animals, for the environment and ultimately for humans too, in every way. As for the muscle, there're many vegan athletes and bodybuilders, so you're just speaking from ignorance.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga I said gaining muscle while being a vegan is inefficient, not impossible. You say it is "unnecessary" to kill animals. However, one is doing it to eat and, therefore, live. By implication (something from logic) you are saying living is unnecessary, which directly contradicts your initial statement. Anyway, I agree that Google is best to be informed, and I have used it to find impartial studied that contradict your statements.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday It is unnecessary to purposefully kill animals for consumption. You are doing it to eat, but you don't need to eat animals to live. That's quite a twist of logic you came up with there. Animals' lives are their own, not ours, and you don't need to take them to sustain your own life. That's a simple fact, there's no contradiction there. It's a good thing you're a good judge of what is and isn't impartial [sarcasm alert]. I'm partial to ethics and compassion.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday I was thinking of giving you examples of athletes and bodybuilders who prove that muscle gain is not inneficient in vegans, but it's such an irrelevant point I'm not even going to bother. But here's a hint, if you type "Vegan" and "athlete" or "bodybuilder" on a search engine, you might find something. You might not find freakishly gigantic men, but from my perspective, that's a positive thing, for all reasons. You might be surprised by certain raw-food vegans.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga It's inefficient in that it is not as efficient as eating tons of protein from animal sources (whey, ablumen, etc.). That Google search brought me results that say vegan bodybuilding is a small group. Raw-food vegans are also hurting themselves. They obviously have not heard of anti-nutrient factors.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga I didn't say being a vegan was unethical, I said it was not ethically superior. Fuck, you ignore what I say at every turn. Either that or you need to learn yourself some English, man. And I did find holes in your argument you refuse to face. You are being defensive by the very act of defending being vegan right now. Are you saying you are not defending the vegan lifestyle? Because you are, objectively speaking.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday You know what kind of defensiveness I was talking about. Yes, I am defending veganism, because I'm defending animals, because I feel a responsibility to do so. I've argued and questioned about these topics enough to know there are no arguments against veganism, which made me become a vegan. I didn't say that you said being vegan is unethical, I said that not being vegan is. At the very least, not being vegan is less ethical by blatantly ignoring the Golden Rule.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday No, you can't change everything. Especially if you can't even change yourself. I've changed myself. I've helped others change and they, in turn, have helped and continue helping others, as do I. We're activists and yes, we do provoke change, that's only as slow as it is because of people with your kind of mentality, who think it's useless to do anything because they can't do everything, so they do nothing to change. No matter, we'll get there, for the animals.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga My mentality is to change what I can within reason, like I said. And within the bounds of what science can prove. You continue to argue about animals feeling pain when, as shown in the video, it is possible to kill animals painlessly. As for the expense, your salary is probably far higher than you think it is. And if I complained about the expense of eating vegan, why would I buy leather, fur, etc.? I believe in products that are effective at their task, not luxury.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday Animals aren't commodities. It's that simple. Their lives are their own, to live naturally, not to be bred for human consumption and to a life of confinement and abuse and ultimately slaughter. They're sentient, as shown by their similarities to our neurophysiology and behavioral and physiological responses. And when in doubt regarding some species, we should treat them considering the possibilty of sentience. Do the least harm. Is that so much to ask?
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga You say that animals are confined and abused but that is not always the case. And many animals live out their life in happiness rather than constantly struggling and suffering as they would in the wild. Who are you to determine what is best for animals on a proper ranch? Have you interviewed them? They're sentient as far as having sensation is concerned, sure. I don't deny this. Also, the Golden Rule, as you say, is actually a poor concept, philosophically speaking.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday Back to the muscle issue: How warped do one's priorities have to be if you think the possibility of not gaining muscle efficiently is worse than the unnecessary killing of an animal?? I'd rather be compassionate than a selfish hulk. By the way, I wasn't being defensive. I was when I ate animals, until I faced myself. You didn't find holes in my arguments, you merely requested more than I cared to post on a youtube comment. You may find holes in my patience though.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga And by "OK" I mean it's fine with me since I can't do a thing about it. That's China for you. There are plenty things wrong with the world, and I can only attempt to fix certain things at a time. Being vegan is not economically sound (it's more expensive) nor is it satisfying nor inherently healthier nor morally superior (especially if you shop local, which is about all there is here).
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday I've been living on a low salary for quite some time and I have no problems being vegan, economically, or at all. It's only expensive if you buy processed foods, but so are animal products. You can do something, you can choose not to wear fur or leather or any animal skins and to show and tell other people why they shouldn't either. We have power as consumers and we should use it responsibly, and spread information. Slowly, more and more people will change.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga In any case, I understand that your argument about health is irrelevant now. You just want to save the animals. I hope you don't support PETA, then. Also, you must hate the Jewish people, since their laws dictate that animals die in pain. And people who cannot afford a vegan diet that is properly balanced (an issue that is less of a problem for omnivorous diets) need to kill animals. An animal's life isn't their own, they are killed by predators every day.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday I do not support PETA. I don't hate jewish people or any groups of people. I despise religion, but that's a whole other topic. Besides, there're many jewish vegans in the world. Judaism doesn't mandate consumption of animal products, it just mandates that animal slaughter has to be kosher. Fortunately, veganism transcends religion and politics. It's no problem at all to have a healthy balanced vegan diet on a low income.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga No, they don't demand that anyone eat anything specific, but kosher means the painful slaughter of animals, as opposed to the painless process shown in the video. An animal cannot be made to not feel pain according to Jewish law. As for a low income, it is not "no problem." there is plenty issue if you have a low income. If you make no money it's only really possible to farm, hunt, and forage. In fact, below $30k for a family of four would be very difficult indeed.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday Low income is obviously always a problem, but I was just comparing vegan consumption with non-vegan consumption and it's not more expensive to be vegan if you stay away from processed and pre-made or pre-cooked foods. Even when I was unemployed I could get by just fine, I just had to avoid certain luxuries and unnecessary items, like any non-vegan would.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday And each individual's life, human or non-human, is his/her own. We can be killed by predators too, or by human murderers, but our lives do not belong to them. We don't have to be predators for other animals, but natural predators do. It all comes down to necessity. No one owns anyone else's life (and yes, when I say "anyone" I am refering to human and non-human animals, because they're "who", not "what", they're not objects, they're not property).
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga The biggest problem with your argument is that you believe animals are "better off" not living on some ranch or farm. You seem to think I'm arguing for the continued poor treatment of animals. I'm not. There are many ranches and farms that have animals that are better off than nature would let them be. Also, you seem to be opposed to having pets, which is absurd. The ethical argument you propose has been disproved countless times.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday You can't just exclude one bad thing when I mention other things that I see as wrong. Pain, suffering, confinement are all intolerable, but so is the taking of their needless lives even if they were allowed to live a free and happy life. I'm not opposed to having pets because the overpopulation of certain species requires responsible measures, like adoption, since it's due to human irresponsibility in the first place. I need to comment again to continue this...
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday Pets are like family members. We adopt them and take responsibility for their well being. They're not products or viewed as such. That's the difference. No animal should be bred for any human interests, such as commerce, use for whatever purpose, slaughter for consumption or simple curiosity/want. That obviously include pets. It should be a crime to breed and sell/buy them. And one day it will be.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga Pets are confined, something you are against. You could say the same thing about dairy cows and egg-laying chickens. Farmers just take responsibility for their well-being. Once again, I'm talking about good farms and ranches, not cruel ones. And you would also not like the concept of putting an animal down in its old age, which many pet owners do as an act of mercy. This is taking a life. If we followed your claims thus far we would just let them be.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday How can you compare having pets to confinement? Sure, if, for example, dogs are chained, or always stuck in the same space. That's not responsible adoption or taking care of them. If you don't have appropriate conditions, don't have a pet. I'm not against justified euthanasia (if an animal cannot be alleviated of hisher suffering any other way), I'm against needless killing. How can you not understand the difference? Yes, ideally, we would just let them be. But...
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday ... Dogs, for example, aren't even a natural species, they wouldn't exist if it wasn't for humans, so they're our responsibility until their population is down to acceptable numbers. Same with cats, who were spread all over the world by humans. I'm all for having pigs or chickens as pets too, if you can grant them a good life and NOT KILL THEM! Pets aren't kept or purposefully bred just so we can at some point take their lives for our own interests. HUGE difference.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday It's not natural for tens of billions of "farm animals" to be born and murdered each year. Their breeding shouldn't continue, just like that of pets, and they should be taken care of for the rest of their natural lives, just like pets. Their context right now is worlds apart. Good farms? Yes, they exist, such as Farm Sanctuary, where people are vegan and animals aren't murdered. We don't need to consume their bodies or secretions. Again, it's really that simple.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday Care to explain how the Golden Rule fails? It's a general guideline, and should be interpreted with good sense. You claim the ethical argument for veganism has been disproved, but you don't bother to say how. You certainly haven't disproved anything. You go around and around trying to complicate something that is rather simple. We shouldn't hurt or kill others if we don't need to. Animals aren't objects, they're sentient and shouldn't be viewed as resources.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga The Golden Rule fails because it assumes everyone has the same opinion on how they want to be treated. This is not to say that it fails in regard to your application, just that it is not a good thing to follow in general. Being vegan is not easy and cost-effective. It can be either-or, but not both. Rice and beans are cheap and vegan, sure, but they're inconvenient to prepare. Inconvenient enough that it could have a negative effective on your health (lack of sleep).
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday Like I said, it's a general guideline and should be interpreted as refering to our basic wants, needs and rights. Masochists, for example, aren't the rule, they're the exception. Some good sense, please. Pain, confinement and death are, naturally and therefore generally, things all creatures want to avoid at all cost. We all (generally) want comfort, feed and freedom. I'm vegan and most my friends are, and it's easy and cost-effective. Rice and beans are great. Wtf?
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga And I just proved that as a general guideline that it fails. Google it, son. The Golden Rule doesn't hold up. And it's not just masochists that mess it up, it's countless other things. And I never said rice and beans were bad, just that they were inconvenient (mainly beans). You have to soak them, cook them over long periods of time, etc. Pets are confined. We don't let them go outside when they want to because we're not at home or it's inconvenient.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga The ethics are not black and white, as you seem to think, they are muddled. Google "ethics of eating meat" and click the Wikipedia article, then go down to the section about Pain. This would mostly support what you say, but everything falls on a slippery slope. Read the entire section. Basically, it argues where the line is drawn. What about cockroaches? Tapeworms? Shrimp? And so on.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday I never said it's black and white. But in some cases, they are. Murdering humans is unethical, so is murdering other sentient animals, but in some cases you just have to choose to do the least harm, which is what vegans choose. I don't know if cockroaches or shrimp have any degree of sentience, but I give them the benefit of the doubt. Tapeworms are parasites and I think we're justified to protect ourselves against them. Not comparable to murdering a cow. Is it?
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga Killing a person is not always unethical. If you think that is black and white, then you aren't suited for this discussion. Take at least an introductory course on philosophy to understand. We don't have to kill tapeworms to remove them. Does that mean we should release them? No. Like you said, if we don't have to do it we shouldn't, right? And it is a slippery slope. Because "suffering" is difficult to measure in certain animals. It's the definition of a slippery slope.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@SaudadeSunday I've actually read that article. It's not such a slippery slope, the way I see it. You commit to contributing the least possible to the suffering and death of others. That's veganism. Not consuming animal products is the most practical and efficient way to do that in your daily life, using your power as a consumer. And as vegans increase in number, vegan goods get cheaper and more accessible. I've seen their prices go down by half or more in just a few years.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga By breathing you contribute to the slow death of the Earth, you know that, right? If you died it would be the best thing for the earth, and you would contribute no death or suffering to anyone, ever. All your actions in your life aren't going to amount to anything of note anyway, not more than what your death would contribute, so why live? You talk in absolutes, see black and white, and don't consider all sides. I do and I have found that it means little to be a vegan.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga If you were true to yourself you would realize that you are only a vegan to feel better about yourself, not to bring any real change. Think about it, if you cared you would do more than just be vegan, which is a token gesture at best. And protesting, letter-writing, etc. don't amount to much either. You can continue living your life, I don't care, but I suggest you stop pretending you're better than anyone else.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
@RicardoPetinga I'd like to conclude this discussion with an agreement to disagree. You have your opinion (don't hurt things for no reason), I have pointed out that things aren't that simple. I have my opinion (there is no moral high ground for vegans), and you have stated that your opinion means that there is. You can go on feeling smug as you hypocritically keep pets and I'll continue eating a balanced diet as my body is designed to. I intend to trade up for a robot body ASAP, though.
SaudadeSunday 1 month ago
Thank God I'm Muslim and my religion forbid eating pork....
declaration963 4 months ago
@declaration963 my gawd... chicken also like that lar....lol... funny la u
jacoon910308 4 months ago
I wonder what kinda sick are paid to sit around and think of ways to systematically slaughter animals for food on a mass scale..
BritRock93 4 months ago
@BritRock93 they are paid good amount of money :)
jimmyjohanes88 4 months ago
@BritRock93 Americans
MrFlyingBeagle 4 months ago
so... where is the sausage?
BlackSunRX2008 4 months ago 8
wilbur!!!
Mimsishere 5 months ago
y did i watch this while eating a saucege? not a good idea f*&@
betomalcohol33 5 months ago
Just at a breakfast burrito with extra bacon. Yummy yummy murder.
FSMNoodlyAppendage 5 months ago
Silly types. Dumb phone.
DeadlySin520 5 months ago
This is a humane slaughterhouse. They properly stun the animal and look them cleanly. And for the people who forget, we are omnivores we eat all. It's part if the food chain. If these had been wild pigs, some other animal would have caught it and killed and ate it invaluable more brutal manner. Food for thought children.
DeadlySin520 5 months ago 5
@DeadlySin520 There's nothing humane about slaughter/murder, ever. Yes, we are omnivores, behavioral omnivores. We can choose what to eat and we know now (and have known for a long time) that we don't need meat or any animal products, which means that we breed, confine, exploit and murder animals without needing to, which means we choose to ignore the suffering of animals out of habit and selfishness, because we can0. There's no justification for that, it's just plainly unethical.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
Its a disgusting video, and sad, but how else are they going to kill the pig and distribute the parts? Slowly?
jamyefay91 5 months ago
@jamyefay91 How about not killing the pig at all? How about not breeding pigs to be slaughtered in the first place? How about not eating them since you don't need to? How about, as a consumer, not demanding their murder and therefore diminishing the supply? What's really sad is that people still choose to be a part of this horrible injustice. And for what? Taste! When there're all kinds of "fakes" that taste exactly the same! And even if they didn't, others' lives should matter more.
RicardoPetinga 1 month ago
Its a disgusting video, and sad, but how else are they going to kill the pig and distribute the parts? Slowly?
jamyefay91 5 months ago
if you don't like it don't eat it
XilverBullets 5 months ago
Its sad to think that these intelligent and innocent animals will be brutally and systematically slaughtered with cruel precission in a slaughterhouse. their futures are nothing more than a few scraggley pork chops for glutinous and evil humans. I feverently hope a huge plague will come along and wipe humanity out, for which I would comply without fear- we humans deserve nothing but death for raping this planet. Only then will freedom return to the animals.
MuonRay 6 months ago
i think not so
cooltalinex888 6 months ago
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Those aren't pigs, those are walking piles of BACON!
gavin0883 6 months ago
bacon anyone? Makes me hungry.
Statureman 7 months ago
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What a nice job...
VoelligHarmlos 7 months ago
this is a fairly humane slaughter house
davisotj1 7 months ago
@davisotj1 Exactly.
wolfy9005 7 months ago
@davisotj1 Precisely. Compared to alot of slaughterhouses, this is very humane. At least they have the decency to stun the animal first.
gagarottel 7 months ago
how are sausages made?
bustosricky 7 months ago
Hahaha one of those pigs should have hit a backflip. Anyone know what I'm relating to?
JuzKillnBeatz 7 months ago
Why the fuck people would want to eat this is beyond me.
FisherxCOREEEE 7 months ago
@FisherxCOREEEE BECAUSE BACON IS FUCKING DELICIOUS
legendarygunman316 7 months ago
Moist and Delicious
You vegetarians have fun being underweight faggots with no muscles.
USMAI 7 months ago
@USMAI I raise my shot glass to you sir. Well said
legendarygunman316 7 months ago
For some reason I found this strangely hilarious. Especialy with the classical music playing.
ChildOfDarkProphecy1 7 months ago
What if they're claustrophobic ? lol
capreiskewl 8 months ago
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57 dislikes are vegetarians
raymangzz 8 months ago
57 dislikes are vegeterians
raymangzz 8 months ago
This is why I'm glad to be a vegetarian. :)
l8trg8tr267 8 months ago 2
@Mkaychubby, Exactly. That is what we're eating. So what? You think that all of us have your weak constitution. I dont care how pigs are killed. They're animals, not human so stop equating us with them. They are a food source. People with this viewpoint are delusional at best. Please get your head checked....
switchfootsevin 8 months ago
Bacon anyone?
PETAVER 8 months ago
For all you meat eaters, this is what you're eating. It's weird, whenever I watch this, I feel like my arms and legs are being cut because I get this weird pain in my arms and legs as if I'm actually being cut. Also, in the video, at the end, the heads actually looked FAKE, didn't anyone else notice that? And yet, this video is completely true. Sad, very sad indeed.
Mkaychubby 8 months ago
after watching this i feel like i am goiing to puke i amlost did thats is horrible
tacobelldog2000 8 months ago
Oh wow, this is way more humane than traditional slaughter..thats good i guess
xxDJWooddellxx 9 months ago
who would work here...
Drewandy22 9 months ago
Also, why are they wasting all of that head meat? Pork cheeks are the tastiest part
llanellboy 9 months ago
Meat is murder. Delicious, tasty murder
llanellboy 9 months ago 2
i am now a vegetarian.
sugercindy 9 months ago
@sugercindy pussy. lol
zavalachris98 8 months ago
@zavalachris98 whatever, idc thats really gross
sugercindy 8 months ago
@sugercindy me to after my dads told me what the skin of SAUSAGE is made of pig guts
tacobelldog2000 8 months ago
@tacobelldog2000 omg. yeah i dont think ill ever look at sausage the same way again.
sugercindy 8 months ago
I like the music a lot. Does anyone know the name of it? o-o?
XxChaosDemonChildxX 9 months ago
This just made me really hungry....i need a bacon sandwhich now.
MinmatarThrasher 9 months ago 4
What do they do with the severed heads?
ashtonmadhatter 9 months ago
@ashtonmadhatter they grind it and feed it to the pigs awaiting slaughter.
EjPwned 9 months ago
they look so good
rdblue09 9 months ago
i want sum baby back ribs
thatsgangsta89 9 months ago
God damn it's sick..
2010arczi 9 months ago
1:06
Pig: Hmm.....
Stinged
Pig: X_X
KiidyFlow 9 months ago
i popped a stiffy when the pig went into the machine
thejoy9991 10 months ago
This is so sad ='(
MatthewLeelev 10 months ago
@MatthewLeelev YOUR TEARS, THEY ARE DELICIOUS (as well as this fine quality sausage..... mmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmm!)
icemanabk 9 months ago
@icemanabk Kiss my ass.
MatthewLeelev 9 months ago
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Motherfuckers :(
TheJuanDavidB 10 months ago
It's so odd that this video is related to the Dolphin Slaughter i just watched.
>.>
ocabafox 10 months ago
is that some mozart I hear in the background? what fitting music!
Hackiesacker007 10 months ago
I believe in sacrificing pleasure to alleviate another's pain.
ElevatdConsciouState 10 months ago
Pigs, Goats, and Snakes all have the most evil looking eyes. Sinful eyes.
Boogers4dinner 11 months ago
o vegitarians... you are soooo silly. you call that a bad death? do you know how many seals are violently ripped apart by polar bears? or wildebeest slowly cut apart and dragged down by a bunch of lions? dont get mad at humans, get mad at the nature of planet earth/
thomasdarroch66 11 months ago
0:47 Aw, look at the cute, cuddly pi... HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! In all seriousness, this is way more humane than what is done in traditional slaughterhouses, in here they send the pig into shock so it doesn't feel anything.
ShortFingeredShreder 11 months ago 24
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@ShortFingeredShreder we should try it on you then :)
SophistAtheist 8 months ago
@ShortFingeredShreder
Does it really matter? It's taking their life for luxury food and the big problem is that they might feel pain?
Androphilian 8 months ago
@ShortFingeredShreder so right man. I hate these fckin muslim alive-slice-throat-loving bastards! This is far more humane!
usr02777299922670684 6 months ago
Wow. this is much more humane than I thought it was going to be. Looks painless! Much better than most slaugherhouses.
rabbidhedgehog 11 months ago
THIS IS WHY I BECAME VEGITARIAN
diahassanatou 11 months ago
@diahassanatou funny lol, if pigs could, they would eat us.
readersx 11 months ago
one pig there when it was getting killed looked kinda like wtf is going ...dead lolol mmmmm pork
fredhascome 11 months ago
I've watched many inhumane documentries and videos on youtube and this video seems the civilist one I have seen so far. I am a vegatarian but understand the death of animals is inevitable, humans are made to eat meat. But this video seems like the machinery is the most humane way to kill a pig.
allisonscow 11 months ago 2
@allisonscow i am vegetarian too, i agree with you.
ElevatdConsciouState 10 months ago
@allisonscow
They're made possible to eat meat, you phrase it as if they have to.
Androphilian 8 months ago
@Androphilian take it how you want. It wasn't made to make a judgement call. All I was saying was that geneetically humans are meant to eat meat. we obviously dont have to, because we can supplement everything we eat for something no animal by product. you didnt have to take it so litterally.
allisonscow 8 months ago
worse part for them was probably the captivity which it doesn't show
tonecameg 11 months ago
I don't really care much for the "Is It Humane" debate. But i really enjoy watching these videos for the simple fact that i enjoy seeing where my food is coming from. Seeing the original form of a product being processed and sent down the assembly line is just cool too me.
carlmarxx 11 months ago
@squanderling Factory farms for plants...animals. No difference. Both mass producing living beings to be eaten. Noting wrong with that. Nature created a world in which for something to live something else must first die.
jburr36 11 months ago
@faustnightmare No, the idea of feeding people with food is not wrong.
jburr36 11 months ago
So, where is the sausage? I'm still curious to know exactly how it's made.
LastCommodore 11 months ago
Christmas came early boys lets eat
jamieisjabba 11 months ago
yummy!!!!
yungkirk 11 months ago
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@yungkirk You have no conscience.
NatCat301 11 months ago
@squanderling Do you think nature its self is any less cruel. In fact thats all we are is nature this is survival of the fittest.
dsac6007 11 months ago
Does this make anyone else like really ridiculously horny?
tylergolato 1 year ago 23
@tylergolato It makes my husband horny, no idea what the cause is,,,watching hogs ??
jeanmunn 8 months ago
@tylergolato your a fruitcup
soulkhanify 8 months ago
@tylergolato hahahaha you made my life
gavin0883 6 months ago